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2013-01-05 07:24:12 PM

BadReligion:
I got passed by a 4 cyl Camry that had gone to plaid the other day. I don't drive slowly either, this guy was just going a whole lot faster in a much less capable car.


I think some people just get a chip on their shoulder. I was doing 90 on the highway along with a group of other cars coming home from the holidays last week when a Prius whipped into the right lane and passed the whole group.
 
2013-01-05 07:30:51 PM

StrangeQ: loonatic112358: Options, Corvettes, Vipers

What part of modestly priced did you miss? There's no reason to buy a $60,000 car when a stripped down base model Camaro or Mustang would do fine for $25,000.


well, it's hardly Patriotic y'know.. .to do it right, the Air force should have commission a specialty vehicle for the job purposely designed, by committee. It would cost millions, and take 20 years to develop, and build, and employ THOUSANDS of government military contractors. and once every last congressman and Representative got done with it, it would look like this, but with more guns.

onscreencars.com

because why?
fark you that's why
 
2013-01-05 07:31:22 PM

StrangeQ: BadReligion:
I got passed by a 4 cyl Camry that had gone to plaid the other day. I don't drive slowly either, this guy was just going a whole lot faster in a much less capable car.

I think some people just get a chip on their shoulder. I was doing 90 on the highway along with a group of other cars coming home from the holidays last week when a Prius whipped into the right lane and passed the whole group.


I rarely if ever get aggressively passed by something with a comparable HP/weight ratio, let alone a car more powerful than mine. It always happens with crappy little Versa's, Corolla's, 4 cyl Camry's, and in one amusing case an Aveo that almost completely lost control. The guy that was driving the Aveo was a big black guy who looked like he went almost sheet white.
 
2013-01-05 07:36:29 PM

Bslim: No love for the Mustang?


And if they had chosen Mustangs, someone else would be in here saying:
"No love for the Camaro?"
 
2013-01-05 07:38:23 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Time for a riveting tale, chap
If I may..

A great deal of the summers of my youth were spent in a cabin that was located on the banks of a tidal salt marsh. on the other side of that marsh and channel, about a half mile away was the end of the run way for the Wallops island NASA/ NOAA Flight Facility.

They have a U2 there that they use for upper atmosphere weather observations. I saw that thing take off and land on many an occasion, and even saw the chase car waiting at the end of the runway a few times.

one occasion stands out in my mind in particular.

this cabin... alright.. the cabin was a RV trailer with a mosquito porch built onto it's side, was located in a place called Trails End Campground and RV park. basically a members only campground where you can own your own campsite with hook ups and what not. no permanent residence allowed, no permanent structures.. so RV's, campers only.. had to be on wheels.. no mobile homes in the traditional sense even though hardly any of the campers ever moved anywhere once parked.

Well, in the center of this place, they had the community center with the large Olympic sized swimming pool complete with three level high dive.. One day in my youth, maybe 9 years old.. maybe twelve.. somewhere there I had muscled up the nerve to go all the way to the top of the high dive... and I was pretty much stuck up there. petrified with fear, contemplating just what in the hell I had gotten myself into, and then I heard a low rumble approaching... I, and everyone else at the pool that day, looked to the east to see what was going on. And then she came into view.. The NOAA U2, came in skirting the tree tops right over the pool, right towards the Runway on wallops. the plane seemed to just hang there, passing over my head in slow motion, the roar of the engine getting louder and louder, passing over my head on top of that high dive platform, so close I felt I could just reach up and touch its belly as it passed directly over my head.

Mes ...


Good story. Actually it was a NASA U-2, NOAA doesn't have any. I shared a hanger at Dryden with one of the NASA U-2's in the late 90's for a month while working on their DC-8. Very small cockpit, my shoulders wouldn't have made it.

/You're lucky a flock of Wallops' mosquitos didn't fly off with you. They're legendary.
 
2013-01-05 07:39:26 PM
If they had any class they would use '69s... But they can't have mine...

photos.modelmayhem.com
 
2013-01-05 07:44:54 PM

cig-mkr: What exactly do they use the U-2 for? We have satellites and drones to do the job.


Justifying inflated budgets.
 
2013-01-05 07:59:20 PM

Norfolking Chance: HotWingAgenda: Yeah, because only a brand new off-the-line Camaro can exceed 100 mph.  Good job making all other DOD contract officers look like assholes, Chair Force.

Can you name a stock car that's as fast as a Camaro in a straight line that's cheaper? They may be a low tech brute force approach that would get laughed at on a race track but on a runway with some one else paying for petrol they meet the spec.

/plus the purchasing officer got a free 'vette


It also has to do with the legacy of GM being involved with the Hummer and up armored Tahoe SUVs being popular with federal LEO and on base security. GM is an approved vendors and we're already training the mechanics in their motor pool, so they pretty much always come to us over Ford or Chrysler (Mustang and Challenger).

/it used to be F-Bodies with the LS1, then LS1 and LS2 GTOs, now onto the new gen Camaro
 
2013-01-05 08:02:07 PM

tuckeg: Good story. Actually it was a NASA U-2, NOAA doesn't have any. I shared a hanger at Dryden with one of the NASA U-2's in the late 90's for a month while working on their DC-8. Very small cockpit, my shoulders wouldn't have made it.

/You're lucky a flock of Wallops' mosquitos didn't fly off with you. They're legendary.,


oh, I know me some wallops skeeters! there was a ritual involved with coming into the camp and opening the place up in reguards to mosquito abatement, there was much running from the car and setting up and batting the little bastards away. The stank of deep woods OFF! is one of those comforting smells of my youth.:)

And thank you for the clarification on the Air crafts designation. the whole story is one of those vivid set in stone memories I'll always carry with me. the belly of that air craft really felt like it was three feet beyond my grasp the U2 will always hold a very dear and special place in my heart because of that one shining moment... it was either 1985, or '87 when that happened, the year alludes me, but not the feeling.
 
2013-01-05 08:07:03 PM

Bslim: No love for the Mustang?


I loved beating Mustangs back in the day... I miss my GN.
 
2013-01-05 08:11:08 PM

BadReligion: StrangeQ: BadReligion:
I got passed by a 4 cyl Camry that had gone to plaid the other day. I don't drive slowly either, this guy was just going a whole lot faster in a much less capable car.

I think some people just get a chip on their shoulder. I was doing 90 on the highway along with a group of other cars coming home from the holidays last week when a Prius whipped into the right lane and passed the whole group.

I rarely if ever get aggressively passed by something with a comparable HP/weight ratio, let alone a car more powerful than mine. It always happens with crappy little Versa's, Corolla's, 4 cyl Camry's, and in one amusing case an Aveo that almost completely lost control. The guy that was driving the Aveo was a big black guy who looked like he went almost sheet white.


Yeah, if anything, I try NOT to pass people in a faster car than mine because I don't want to look like I'm trying to start something that I know I can't finish. But every now and then there will be some Corvette cruising along at 69 in a 65 and I'm just like, man, I've got places to be
 
2013-01-05 08:16:41 PM
If this interests you please watch the special entitled James May On The Moon. He interviews astronauts and explains the whole thing with the Camaros. The amazing part is when he gets to fly on the U-2. Easily the most incredible footage I've seen. Looking DOWN they see a small silver speck, a commercial jet. Looking up shows the blackness of space. You can see the curvature of the Earth and the blue atmosphere. It brings James May to tears.
 
2013-01-05 08:20:33 PM
Why do we need airplanes just to spy on U2? I know Ticketmaster fees are expensive, but you'd think the government could negotiate a discount.
 
2013-01-05 08:26:33 PM
images.wikia.com
I'll take one with a 396 and a three speed.
 
2013-01-05 08:27:59 PM
Pretty cool being able to drive really fast on the streets with no name.
 
2013-01-05 08:30:45 PM

skinink: Do the Camaros come with optional mullets or is it standard?


Sorry jackhole. The new Camaro is a very refined, fairly efficient vehicle.
I have a 2010 that pumps out 426hp and I can still manage 25mpg if I'm light on the pedal.
The V6 with 325 hp can get over 30.

Go crawl back over your sister and resume screwing your mom. Then take your Mistake to the store and pick up some Keystone.
 
2013-01-05 08:34:40 PM

computerguyUT: skinink: Do the Camaros come with optional mullets or is it standard?

Sorry jackhole. The new Camaro is a very refined, fairly efficient vehicle.
I have a 2010 that pumps out 426hp and I can still manage 25mpg if I'm light on the pedal.
The V6 with 325 hp can get over 30.

Go crawl back over your sister and resume screwing your mom. Then take your Mistake to the store and pick up some Keystone.


Does the Camaro lighten your anger issues?

/ How long is your mullet?
 
2013-01-05 08:36:18 PM

Shostie: And yet, the Air Force still hasn't found what it's looking for.


They have no Desire.
 
2013-01-05 08:45:14 PM

StrangeQ: loonatic112358: Options, Corvettes, Vipers

What part of modestly priced did you miss? There's no reason to buy a $60,000 car when a stripped down base model Camaro or Mustang would do fine for $25,000.


Don't forget, Shareholders own Ford...You, me and the rest of the Farkers own G.M.
 
2013-01-05 08:45:48 PM

computerguyUT: skinink: Do the Camaros come with optional mullets or is it standard?

Sorry jackhole. The new Camaro is a very refined, fairly efficient vehicle.
I have a 2010 that pumps out 426hp and I can still manage 25mpg if I'm light on the pedal.
The V6 with 325 hp can get over 30.

Go crawl back over your sister and resume screwing your mom. Then take your Mistake to the store and pick up some Keystone.


As a lifelong GM guy, but who currently drives an SRT-8 in the summer, some of you manufacturer fan boys need to grow some thicker skin and take it down a notch.
 
2013-01-05 08:56:54 PM
A 198... something El Cameno had a top speed of about 85 and did 48 in the quarter mile. I'm all about giving the military anything they need, but the late 80's sucked for speed. Wonder how they got around that?
 
2013-01-05 09:00:52 PM

Cerebral Knievel: After the moment passed, I ran towards the edge of the diving platform and cannon balled, all my fear was gone


F'ing awesome story, bro
 
2013-01-05 09:07:31 PM

Coastalgrl: camaroash: Coastalgrl: Bslim: No love for the Mustang?

You beat me to it.

Im just glad that there exist something that resembles a car out there. The designers did a good job on the Mustang, Camero, Challenger. Charger isnt my favorite but I can see why people enjoy it. I refuse to buy something as benign and no fun as a Toyota Carolla.

No I dont intend on creating a flamewar over which one is the best and which one sucks and isnt true to the classic design. I just think they are reasonably priced and look neat.

/Drive a 12 year old Pontiac and in love with it.

An ex-girlfriend of mine had a Corolla. The way she drove that car, I wanted to see what she'd do behind the wheel of something more powerful. I've never seen an econobox move like that

The main issue I have with the newer cars is that home mechanics like myself cant work on them easily. My parents have a car dead in the garage at the moment because they cant afford to fix it. It needs a new tire (not a big deal, $100 tops) but it also needs a $200 air pressure sensor. It also needs a new battery (easy fix) but then the car needs to be reprogrammed which is also several hundred. I have been lucky to have some great mechanics help me out on more serious maintenance and what they charge is super cheap for the older car.

I don't do engine work but I have no problem doing easy stuff like brakes, tires, batteries, basic electric. Oil is a huge PITA so I pay someone to do it for my sanity.

I have seen corolla's move on the highways. I just want a more fun car than that. Let my friends with 2.5 kids take the minivan, I'll be in a mustang.


Nice! I worry about newer cars that need things like window switches programmed with a $3000 specialty computer to interface the mini-network inside the car.

When the transmission in my Grand Prix died, I bought one of the same year in way better condition with 80,000 fewer miles on it. "Why mess with something that's nearly bulletproof (other than that plastic intake gasket)?", I figured. Since buying that one, I learned my old one was pretty far from stock when I bought it used. I had no clue what a monster 4-door sleeper it had been turned into. The smaller pulley on the blower should have been a pretty big clue. The transmission wasn't upgraded to handle the power, though. I'll be tearing into it this spring to see what gave out. I might perform a transplant. That much power was just too much fun.

I do my own engine work, but I agree on the oil thing. I'll let Walmart handle that as long as I can still get full synthetic.

I've been surprised with newer 4-banger cars. The car I drove in high school had to be coaxed over the mountains I drive, but anything from the past decade will hold the speed limit just fine on the climb. They still feel like I'm driving a rollerskate, though. Naturally, that can be a problem in snow, especially when some supermom is barreling down the freeway at 90, attempting to slap six kids into submission while breastfeeding the two newest arrivals.

Utah being what it is with huge families, Mormon Assault Vehicles (minivans, big SUVs, sometimes even Sprinters and Econolines) are incredibly popular. No minivan for me. I drive my kid around and that's it. I could do that with a Corvette, let alone a Mustang, Camaro or anything else with more of a soul than a Plymouth Voyager.
 
2013-01-05 09:15:20 PM

jaytkay: computerguyUT: skinink: Do the Camaros come with optional mullets or is it standard?

Sorry jackhole. The new Camaro is a very refined, fairly efficient vehicle.
I have a 2010 that pumps out 426hp and I can still manage 25mpg if I'm light on the pedal.
The V6 with 325 hp can get over 30.

Go crawl back over your sister and resume screwing your mom. Then take your Mistake to the store and pick up some Keystone.

Does the Camaro lighten your anger issues?

/ How long is your mullet?


He's just pissed he can't drive it during the Utah winters because snow tires don't come in that size.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:42 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Bslim: No love for the Mustang?

And if they had chosen Mustangs, someone else would be in here saying:
"No love for the Camaro?"


Knowing how the Air Force gets cars from GSA, I bet they didn't just get Camaros. I bet the got some Mustangs and Chargers as well.
 
2013-01-05 09:22:20 PM
Although not stock, me want one of these Camaros...


Link

Then again maybeeee...

The Hennesy Cadillac CTS (seen pictured at the end of the Camaro clip) topped the Camaro's 203.9 with 220.5 on the same stretch of Texas road.

Link

/would wear my Depends driving either
 
2013-01-05 09:22:29 PM

camaroash: Salieri_82: The U2 still flies? Like, real actual missions? Those things are older than agriculture and bronze tools.

Pussy hasn't changed in 10,000 years. Why change what works?


Ha. Perfect.
 
2013-01-05 09:29:12 PM

Salieri_82: The U2 still flies? Like, real actual missions? Those things are older than agriculture and bronze tools.


I used to work on them.. They retrofit the hell out of these planes.
 
2013-01-05 09:31:40 PM

cig-mkr: What exactly do they use the U-2 for? We have satellites and drones to do the job.
Do we really need them?


They are needed where instinct is needed. Drones can only do so much. We had global hawks on the base as well but I think they're scrapping the project.. Don't quote me.
 
2013-01-05 09:32:20 PM

mmxakira: I used to work on them.. They retrofit the hell out of these planes.


The only thing left of the original is the shape.
 
2013-01-05 09:36:20 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Time for a riveting tale, chap
If I may..

A great deal of the summers of my youth were spent in a cabin that was located on the banks of a tidal salt marsh. on the other side of that marsh and channel, about a half mile away was the end of the run way for the Wallops island NASA/ NOAA Flight Facility.

They have a U2 there that they use for upper atmosphere weather observations. I saw that thing take off and land on many an occasion, and even saw the chase car waiting at the end of the runway a few times.

one occasion stands out in my mind in particular.

this cabin... alright.. the cabin was a RV trailer with a mosquito porch built onto it's side, was located in a place called Trails End Campground and RV park. basically a members only campground where you can own your own campsite with hook ups and what not. no permanent residence allowed, no permanent structures.. so RV's, campers only.. had to be on wheels.. no mobile homes in the traditional sense even though hardly any of the campers ever moved anywhere once parked.

Well, in the center of this place, they had the community center with the large Olympic sized swimming pool complete with three level high dive.. One day in my youth, maybe 9 years old.. maybe twelve.. somewhere there I had muscled up the nerve to go all the way to the top of the high dive... and I was pretty much stuck up there. petrified with fear, contemplating just what in the hell I had gotten myself into, and then I heard a low rumble approaching... I, and everyone else at the pool that day, looked to the east to see what was going on. And then she came into view.. The NOAA U2, came in skirting the tree tops right over the pool, right towards the Runway on wallops. the plane seemed to just hang there, passing over my head in slow motion, the roar of the engine getting louder and louder, passing over my head on top of that high dive platform, so close I felt I could just reach up and touch its belly as it passed directly over my head.


That's probably the coolest story I've ever read on here. Thanks for sharing.
/wonder what you'd have done had it been a Blackbird
 
2013-01-05 09:38:10 PM

Cerebral Knievel: StrangeQ: loonatic112358: Options, Corvettes, Vipers

What part of modestly priced did you miss? There's no reason to buy a $60,000 car when a stripped down base model Camaro or Mustang would do fine for $25,000.

well, it's hardly Patriotic y'know.. .to do it right, the Air force should have commission a specialty vehicle for the job purposely designed, by committee. It would cost millions, and take 20 years to develop, and build, and employ THOUSANDS of government military contractors. and once every last congressman and Representative got done with it, it would look like this, but with more guns.

[onscreencars.com image 494x282]

because why?
fark you that's why


Could it have port-holes?
 
2013-01-05 09:38:56 PM

Norfolking Chance: HotWingAgenda: Yeah, because only a brand new off-the-line Camaro can exceed 100 mph.  Good job making all other DOD contract officers look like assholes, Chair Force.

Can you name a stock car that's as fast as a Camaro in a straight line that's cheaper? They may be a low tech brute force approach that would get laughed at on a race track but on a runway with some one else paying for petrol they meet the spec.

/plus the purchasing officer got a free 'vette


I was thinking something like the Jeep SRT-8 might be nice since it is 4 wheel drive and might help if the U-2 is trying to land during the winter months around the globe. I think there might be websites on the internet where you might be able to bid on a lightly used Dodge Charger SRT for a reasonable sum of money, unless they do a blind written bid or something for a car that looks like this: thenerdinsurance.us
Or a Pontiac GTO/G8 that looks like this: i46.photobucket.com
I think I'd go for a GTO/G8, and the NASA Chargers might not be for sale anyway.

Get on those military auction sites and see!
 
2013-01-05 09:46:29 PM
Why the heck have they not got around to installing hands free coms into the chase cars?

Bet at least one of the buggers has run off, spun out or hit a school bus over the years due to driver fiddling with radio mike or getting his cable stuck around the gearshift.
 
2013-01-05 09:56:15 PM
They're just saying U2, it's really the U3.1
 
2013-01-05 10:00:12 PM

computerguyUT: skinink: Do the Camaros come with optional mullets or is it standard?

Sorry jackhole. The new Camaro is a very refined, fairly efficient vehicle.
I have a 2010 that pumps out 426hp and I can still manage 25mpg if I'm light on the pedal.
The V6 with 325 hp can get over 30.

Go crawl back over your sister and resume screwing your mom. Then take your Mistake to the store and pick up some Keystone.


img338.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-05 10:06:11 PM
Who says the auto bailout didn't work?!
 
2013-01-05 10:10:14 PM
 
2013-01-05 10:15:02 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Time for a riveting tale, chap
If I may..

A great deal of the summers of my youth were spent in a cabin that was located on the banks of a tidal salt marsh. on the other side of that marsh and channel, about a half mile away was the end of the run way for the Wallops island NASA/ NOAA Flight Facility.

They have a U2 there that they use for upper atmosphere weather observations. I saw that thing take off and land on many an occasion, and even saw the chase car waiting at the end of the runway a few times.

one occasion stands out in my mind in particular.

this cabin... alright.. the cabin was a RV trailer with a mosquito porch built onto it's side, was located in a place called Trails End Campground and RV park. basically a members only campground where you can own your own campsite with hook ups and what not. no permanent residence allowed, no permanent structures.. so RV's, campers only.. had to be on wheels.. no mobile homes in the traditional sense even though hardly any of the campers ever moved anywhere once parked.

Well, in the center of this place, they had the community center with the large Olympic sized swimming pool complete with three level high dive.. One day in my youth, maybe 9 years old.. maybe twelve.. somewhere there I had muscled up the nerve to go all the way to the top of the high dive... and I was pretty much stuck up there. petrified with fear, contemplating just what in the hell I had gotten myself into, and then I heard a low rumble approaching... I, and everyone else at the pool that day, looked to the east to see what was going on. And then she came into view.. The NOAA U2, came in skirting the tree tops right over the pool, right towards the Runway on wallops. the plane seemed to just hang there, passing over my head in slow motion, the roar of the engine getting louder and louder, passing over my head on top of that high dive platform, so close I felt I could just reach up and touch its belly as it passed directly over my head.

Mes ...


CSB Bro.....

I read about these chase cars a few years ago, either here or on Pop Mechanics.  The get beat to hell doing this job.  It's not like they drive in traffic doing 68 and very occasionally scooting through traffic at 75.  These cars have two pilots sitting in them (1 driver, 1 to talk the plane down) sitting at the end of the runway.  These are base models, nothing fancy at all.  They've got to go from 0 to 100, match the plane's speed, then slow down with it as it's talked down.  That's it,  Some other pilot spills his McShake waiting last time around?  Guess what, it's still there on the floor.  You wouldn't want to even think about buying one of these surplus.
 
2013-01-05 10:20:43 PM

Raddamant:
That's probably the coolest story I've ever read on here. Thanks for sharing.
/wonder what you'd have done had it been a Blackbird



if it was a Blackbird? the SR-71?

my dear friend, if it was the blackbird, then this moment would not be, and the story could never have been told.

My 9-12 year old self would most likely have exploded into a fine pink mist from the sheer totally awesome wickedness of it all.

thankfully, RIC airport got a Blackbird to sit sentry. a couple of times a year, I will go over, drop $6 at the Virginia aviation museum, go to the court yard where the bird is, and gently reach up to touch her and whisper... "sweeeeet"
 
2013-01-05 10:22:38 PM
really shocked the U2 is still in service.

not because its not a good plane, but im completely amazed some scumbag DOD contractor hasnt put a check in someones pocket to 'convince' them its time to spend some R&D money on a new airplane.
 
2013-01-05 10:31:10 PM

Coastalgrl: camaroash: Coastalgrl: Bslim:
The main issue I have with the newer cars is that home mechanics like myself cant work on them easily. My parents have a car dead in the garage at the moment because they cant afford to fix it. It needs a new tire (not a big deal, $100 tops) but it also needs a $200 air pressure sensor. It also needs a new battery (easy fix) but then the car needs to be reprogrammed which is also several hundred. I have been lucky to have some great mechanics help me out on more serious maintenance and what they charge is super cheap for the older car.

I don't do engine work but I have no problem doing easy stuff like brakes, tires, batteries, basic electric. Oil is a huge PITA so I pay someone to do it for my sanity.

I have seen corolla's move on the highways. I just want a more fun car than that. Let my friends with 2.5 kids take the minivan, I'll be in a mustang.


That's a pretty cool story. I'd like to hear why your car needs reprogrammed. Maybe they lost the keys? Anyway that's on them, try to look at places like amazon.com or rockauto.com to order the sensor. I had to buy an MAF sensor for my car/suv in the last year and amazingly enough amazon.com was $50 cheaper than anywhere else I could find. It arrived in the genuine AC-Delco packaging and I was able to install it easily with a screwdriver, clear the codes with my $49.99 code reader from Amazon and now my car/suv will totally pull the hill with the best of them. I'm ready to buy a left front CV axle and the wheel hub as well (the tech has to take the wheel and wheel hub off to determine which is bad, and he says I might as well replace the CV axle since it will only take a minute more (*saves on labor) if I'm replacing the wheel hub and the CV axle might fail soon considering the mileage. I can buy both parts from amazon.com for about the same cost than just the CV axle from my NAPA for retail. And free super saver shipping).
/BTW, I drove a brand new 2006 Toyota Corrolla S with the 5 speed transmission and it could really haul some arse up the mountain. Plus it got around 42mpg (more than advertised, highway) I really loved it, great alternative to an A4 or BMW 3-series (BMW did have an AWD option though at that time).
//I was very impressed with the 1.8l IL-4 engine, fantastic mileage and great throttle response (no super or turbo), four doors, a very large trunk, looks sporty, wing on the back, front, side and back skirts, great car overall. Looks like this: www.thedetroitbureau.com
 
2013-01-05 10:42:50 PM
CSB:

I got to ride in the chase car of a U2 in Istres, France. It was takeoff, which is relatively easy. When not at speed, the wings droop, so they need these training wheels, which you have to run out on the runway to pick up. That's what makes landing so difficult because if you tip the thing an inch or bounce the craft to had on landing, you can break off a wing. Where you end up might depend on who has the best landing conditions.

The guys that fly the U2s are 50-something Air Force Colonels. He had a crew of six suit him up and prepare his gear. These guys fly 10-14 hours straight and our pilot bragged about not needing the Auto-John because he could control his bodily functions that well. The fly half way around the world and as mentioned don't really know where they're going to end up. And they do it five times a week.
 
2013-01-05 10:48:44 PM

ski9600: Coastalgrl: camaroash: Coastalgrl: Bslim:
The main issue I have with the newer cars is that home mechanics like myself cant work on them easily. My parents have a car dead in the garage at the moment because they cant afford to fix it. It needs a new tire (not a big deal, $100 tops) but it also needs a $200 air pressure sensor. It also needs a new battery (easy fix) but then the car needs to be reprogrammed which is also several hundred. I have been lucky to have some great mechanics help me out on more serious maintenance and what they charge is super cheap for the older car.

I don't do engine work but I have no problem doing easy stuff like brakes, tires, batteries, basic electric. Oil is a huge PITA so I pay someone to do it for my sanity.

I have seen corolla's move on the highways. I just want a more fun car than that. Let my friends with 2.5 kids take the minivan, I'll be in a mustang.

That's a pretty cool story. I'd like to hear why your car needs reprogrammed. Maybe they lost the keys? Anyway that's on them, try to look at places like amazon.com or rockauto.com to order the sensor. I had to buy an MAF sensor for my car/suv in the last year and amazingly enough amazon.com was $50 cheaper than anywhere else I could find. It arrived in the genuine AC-Delco packaging and I was able to install it easily with a screwdriver, clear the codes with my $49.99 code reader from Amazon and now my car/suv will totally pull the hill with the best of them. I'm ready to buy a left front CV axle and the wheel hub as well (the tech has to take the wheel and wheel hub off to determine which is bad, and he says I might as well replace the CV axle since it will only take a minute more (*saves on labor) if I'm replacing the wheel hub and the CV axle might fail soon considering the mileage. I can buy both parts from amazon.com for about the same cost than just the CV axle from my NAPA for retail. And free super saver shipping).
/BTW, I drove a brand new 2006 Toyota Corroll ...


yeah, I seriously DOUBT that the car needs to "reprogrammed in any way whatsoever.. it may need a new sensor, but they generally don't need to be re-calibrated or anything like that.. Hell, if you got an older car with a dead brain, one usually can just go to junk yard, pop one, and drop it in no muss no fuss. hell, I've been keeping my old 92 escort, 400k+ miles running like a top via junkyard and new parts with little effort. Last time I got it ready for driving, the inspection shop wanted well over a grand to fark with it, and I had it back on the road with inspection and parts under $150

I dare say those people claiming all that work and expense are taking you and your parents for a ride, and I would get a second opinion.

And don't be afraid to work on an engine.. it's all still the same as an overgrown lawn mower engine once you get down to it.
 
2013-01-05 10:49:04 PM

brantgoose: 2018 A.D.
Ex-VEEP Joe Biden is mangled in a horrible Camero-US Airforce jet collision. He is clinging to life. But the Air Force doctors and scientists won't say die. They figure they have the technology to rebuild him, faster, stronger, better, smarter than ever. And they have the parts left from his body, the jet and his Camero to rebuild him with.

Thus is born the super action hero, The Six Million Amero Man! (Also known as ManCamero, part man, part Camero, part Air Force Two.)

You better believe he is a Big Farking Deal! He's ManCamero--the most powerful man on Earth after President Billary, The Duplicitous Two-fer of the United States of America.

This Week's Episode: Joe ManCamero battles the Supervillain AlGorzeera, who is plotting to melt the world's remaining ice cap and flood Jupiter Island and what's left of Mainland Florida.


Please forward this comment to the author Dale Brown, he needs some new story ideas.
/snark
 
2013-01-05 10:52:31 PM

camaroash: j

He's just pissed he can't drive it during the Utah winters because snow tires don't come in that size.


Not sure if I'm missing the joke here, but of course they do.

Your name is Camaro Ash and you live in Utah. So many jokes you could have gone with, and you went with that one? Come on.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:29 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-05 10:57:50 PM

Mock26: Complete and total waste of money. Now, if they were to allow me to ride along on one of these landing runs, well, I think I could change my opinion on this expenditure.


I got to do this once... Ot ifs more awesome than you can imagine.
 
2013-01-05 11:02:45 PM

mmxakira: cig-mkr: What exactly do they use the U-2 for? We have satellites and drones to do the job.
Do we really need them?

They are needed where instinct is needed. Drones can only do so much. We had global hawks on the base as well but I think they're scrapping the project.. Don't quote me.


They are.
 
2013-01-05 11:04:56 PM

eltejon: Mock26: Complete and total waste of money. Now, if they were to allow me to ride along on one of these landing runs, well, I think I could change my opinion on this expenditure.

I got to do this once... Ot ifs more awesome than you can imagine.


It is...

Damn phone
 
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