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2013-01-05 02:05:44 PM
10 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.
2013-01-05 04:27:43 PM
5 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun

and gets gunned down while he's getting it from wherever he keeps it, because nobody has their farking gun at the farking dinner table unless they, themselves, are mentally ill.
4. Gunman is more alert, so nobody escapes to get the police.
5. Eventually, he kills them all like sheep.
6. And gets away.


FTFY.
2013-01-05 04:21:10 PM
5 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


What sucks about reading your posts is knowing you're exactly the type of delusional nutjob that probably has a cache of guns
2013-01-05 01:47:08 PM
5 votes:
But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.
2013-01-05 04:24:34 PM
4 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


The difference between you and me, is that I dream of place where people don't need guns to defend themselves and you do. Both dreams are stupidly implausible, but I choose the one that behooves a modern society and is nothing like Somalia. You really want a place where people NEED to carry guns? Really? That's barbaric. Dream bigger.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-05 03:25:10 PM
4 votes:

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


Or the interaction between the two.

Why are many people including police officers able to be safe with a revolver or a shotgun that doesn't hold more than 6 rounds?

Why is it that some people fear that they are in deathly peril if they can't have a large capacity magazine in a semi automatic weapon, while 2/3 of the population survive just fine with no firearms at all?

What if there was some sort of symptom of persecutory delusional disorder?  Perhaps hoarding a certain type of object?  Something that they were so dependent on that they would do anything to keep it, make any sort of irrational argument.  Even threaten violence if someone were to come between them and the precious?

If you could identify a certain type of object that that insecure violent people would fixate on, you would be well on your way to understanding the link to mental illness and gun violence.
2013-01-05 04:21:26 PM
3 votes:
You know what? fark it. If people are intent on pretending like guns aren't a problem and it's 'THE CRAZY PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME LOL', then we need to have a tragedy like this every goddamned day until people get tired of seeing dead people, or enough victims get pissed off enough to tar and feather the local NRA gun nuts in their respective communities.

Until then, BRING IT ON, BABY. Let's see how much blood America can take before she flinches.
2013-01-05 04:08:17 PM
3 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Not that mental health isn't an important issue, but what part of that article gave you any inclination as to the shooter's frame of mind? Sure, you are free to guess about it all you want, but there doesn't appear to be any indication that the shooter was anything more than a criminal as yet.
2013-01-05 03:56:01 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.


And it never will be.
2013-01-05 02:16:21 PM
3 votes:
Evil is something that your average person, gun owner or not, doesn't engage in.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-05 02:01:53 PM
3 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Like the creepy attraction to weapons that psychos have?
2013-01-05 05:45:06 PM
2 votes:
REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH

In the US and Mexico, nearly 44,000 murders were committed in 2011 alone.

The vast majority of these murders were related to illegal drugs - to trafficking, turf wars, revenge hits, or to crimes committed by people seeking to feed their drug habits.

I have to question the collective sanity of any nation that would maintain the anti-drug policies that feed this senseless carnage.
2013-01-05 05:11:22 PM
2 votes:

vudutek: JesseL: vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.

Evil is thinking that you can make people safer by taking away their basic freedoms.

Are you going to make it harder for everyone to get instant cold packs, household cleaning products, model airplane fuel, castor beans, or the million other everyday things someone could use to kill a lot of people too?

fark that basic freedom shiat. it's crap and you know it. want to bear arms? join the goddamn well-regulated militia. until then, stfu or diaf. cuz right now, this shiat is anything BUT well-regulated.


#1 According to 10 USC § 311 I am in fact a member of the militia.

#2 The idea that the right to keep and bear arms is predicated on militia service has been thoroughly dismissed by the Supreme Court. It's a non-starter for a legal argument. Give it up.

#3 I'd have the right to own guns even if it weren't protected by the constitution. I'd have that right even if the state explicitly denied it, because it's directly implied by my self-ownership.

Owning myself implies the right to prevent others from infringing upon that ownership by killing, imprisoning, or enslaving me. Having that right to defend myself would be meaningless if I were powerless to enforce it. Effectively defending myself requires tools, and the most effective tools in existence today for defending myself are firearms.

Pass whatever laws you like, but I'll keep my guns.
2013-01-05 04:38:26 PM
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: LordJiro: Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and gets gunned down while he's getting it from wherever he keeps it, because nobody has their farking gun at the farking dinner table unless they, themselves, are mentally ill.
4. Gunman is more alert, so nobody escapes to get the police.
5. Eventually, he kills them all like sheep.
6. And gets away.

FTFY.

0 / 10. Who said anything about having it right at the table. Moron.


You realize it's more likely Dad is the one who took the hostages in the first place, right?
2013-01-05 04:37:38 PM
2 votes:

aearra: Another day in america. Another mass murder. Another shoot out. Another day full of sound and fury signifying nothing as america does nothing to solve the situation but whine. Another day where nobody outside of the us cares.


They have their own problems:

MEXICO: "Mexico registered 27,199 murders in 2011, or 24 per 100,000 people"

USA: All homicides (2011): 16,799, or 5.5 per 100,000 population

Private ownership of firearms is verboten in Mexico, yet their murder rate is FOUR TIMES that of the US, and their rates are climbing, while ares have fallen to the lowest level in four decades.

Go figure.
2013-01-05 04:25:53 PM
2 votes:

TheHappyCanadian: Perverted Idiotic Nobleman: vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.

Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.

stupidity is thinking that "better regulation of guns" means "ZOMG SOCIALISTBONGO BE TAKIN' MY ROCKIT LONCHER"


Alright, goddammit. I sick of this farking analogy. Rifles are small arms. Rocket Launchers are ordnance. NO ONE is advocating for ordnance to be legal. NO ONE. Now stop this nonsense, you ass.
2013-01-05 04:24:09 PM
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Waxing_Chewbacca: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue

Exactly!!!' Everyone from birth to death should be heavily armed. Then we'd all be safe! Yippee.

/yes, because enacting a new total gun ban would make every criminal in the USA turn in their guns. You know, out of civic duty. It's a much better tactic when faced with a armed person in your home to just lay down and piss yourself, and wait for him to kill you and your family. Let me know how that works out for you.


How do you get through the day without pissing yourself in fear?
2013-01-05 04:21:39 PM
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.



So a powerful weapon - does it go on the left with the forks, the right with the knife, or above the plate?
2013-01-05 04:19:40 PM
2 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: Thank You

this needs to be item ONE for Obama


Too bad his original healthcare plan that WOULD have made access to mental help easier got flushed down the toilet, right? Too bad about that... huh? Eh? Hello?

Yeah.
2013-01-05 04:14:36 PM
2 votes:
So the gun nuts new war cry is "BUT WE SHOULDZ BE LOOKING INTO MENTAL HEALTH!!1" and acting as if that was somehow never suggested by the gun control advocates before?

Wow... just... wow.
2013-01-05 04:14:23 PM
2 votes:
Is this the thread where we assume a bunch things and then the facts come out later but the trolls are already on a roll? I can't wait!


Adam Lanza used stolen weapons, let's retroactively criminalize everyone who doesn't piss their pants at the thought of tools.
2013-01-05 04:13:48 PM
2 votes:

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.
2013-01-05 10:11:35 PM
1 votes:

John Buck 41: God damn it. Why's this so hard for some of you people? Don't want a gun? Fine, don't have one. Leave the rest of us the fu*k alone.


How is enhanced mental health services and enhanced checks/training for those wishing to buy high power weapons bothering you?  Wouldn't you WANT that extra 10 minute inconvenience if it means less crazies give other gun owners a bad name?
2013-01-05 10:08:14 PM
1 votes:
fact: you are more likely to die from a gun shot if you own a gun.
2013-01-05 08:39:31 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: here to help: Close the gun show and "collectors" loopholes.

1st I've ever heard of a 'collector's loophole" what is that?


You know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't be coy.

Anyway... flame on you crazy derpers. I'm done for the night.
2013-01-05 06:31:02 PM
1 votes:
Fully automatic weapons are very, very heavily regulated. How many crimes were committed with fully automatic weapons in the last twenty years?
2013-01-05 05:51:26 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


More like:

1. Gunman breaks in
2. Dad goes for his gun, drops his keys and can't get the lock off, now also can't open the locked ammo box
3. Gunman shoots him, rapes the daughter, kicks the dog
4. Police storm the house and kill everybody inside
2013-01-05 05:31:42 PM
1 votes:

efgeise: That said, I am both a fan of mental health help and *smart* gun control. But I doubt either will come about, because A) gun control is inherently bad, according to the NRA, and B) increasing mental health care means spending money on it, and we've all seen how the GOP "dislikes" spending.

So, I don't see either of these problems getting fixed while the current crop of politicians are in place. The current left are too gun-control happy, and the current right are too batshiat to want to fix the problems.


Indeed.

My take on the situation is that healthy, well-adjusted, prosperous people are extremely unlikely to commit violent crime regardless of the availability of firearms. By working to improve people's lot in society, a lot of the factors that drive violent crime can be reduced (though never truly eliminated). I'm in full support of measures that provide people with good healthcare (both physical and mental), treating personal drug use as a public health issue rather than a crime, helping people to improve their lot in life, working to get people out of the cycle of multi-generational welfare dependence, gangs, lack of economic opportunity and social mobility, etc. It'll cost money, sure, and I for one think that it'd be money well-spent (assuming it isn't squandered, like so much the government does).

On the enforcement side, I'd much rather see the authorities going after drug smugglers, gun traffickers, and violent criminals than individuals who use drugs for personal use.

Violent crime is a symptom of underlying issues. Treating the symptoms does little if any to treat the cause of the problem.

Alas, I agree that little is going to be accomplished with the current batch of politicians. There's little I can do other than write letters to my members of Congress, even though it's not likely to do much. At least it gives a bit of money to the post office.
2013-01-05 05:30:04 PM
1 votes:
Let me make this point again...

THE RIGHT WING GUN NUTS DID NOT CARE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH UNTIL A BUNCH OF KIDS GOT MOWED DOWN BY A GUY WHO STOLE HIS GUN NUT MOTHER'S LEGALLY PURCHASED GUNS AND THEY HAD NO FREAKING DEFENSE FOR IT!!!

You do not care about mental health. You only care about your f*cking guns! You FOUGHT restrictions that would help prevent tragedies like Connecticut. Claiming the mental health stance (which has been a left leaning policy for ages) as if it's your own NOW is absolutely freaking disgusting!!

But... hopefully the mentally ill can get some help now because of your selfish lies. Just don't start screaming about funding after the spotlight has faded.
2013-01-05 05:27:16 PM
1 votes:

Rich Cream: And here's the counter-article about someone shooting a home invader in self-defense. Of course no one can prove the person entering the premises would have killed anyone and a gun stopped them but that's how lopsided the argument is.

Woman shoots alleged home invader in Walton County



This is worthy of quoting.

"According to Walton County Chief Deputy Keith Brooks, the woman was working upstairs when she spotted a man outside the window of her home on Henderson Ridge Lane.  The woman, who was home with her 9-year-old twins, heard the man knock at the door. She called her husband, who said that he wasn't expecting anyone at the house.

The woman said that the man went to his vehicle and returned with a crowbar. The man then forced his way inside and rummaged through the home.
The woman grabbed a revolver fled into a crawlspace with her children.

When the man opened the crawlspace door, she fired six shots with her .38 revolver, hitting the man several times.
"She comes out of the crawlspace and she's standing over the perpetrator, who she says is crying, telling her to stop shooting," said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman.

The alleged would-be burglar -- now wounded --  fled the house, jumped into his vehicle and attempted to drive away, according to Brooks. He lost control of the vehicle and crashed. Deputies arrived on scene and took him into custody.

The man, identified by authorities as 32-year-old Paul Slater of Loganville, was taken to Gwinnett Medical Center. He is listed in critical condition."

END STORY

Clearly this is a selfish, right wing pigheaded woman who does NOT CARE about the well being of burglars / rapists / murderers, and has NO RESPECT for the families of those who lost their loved ones in Aurora or at Sandy Hook.

SHE IS THE PROBLEM!


/And I'll bet she's racist, too!
2013-01-05 05:00:58 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: Come to think of it, crosses were never meant to be used to crucify people. I wonder if it mattered to the people slowly dying on the cross that crosses weren't meant to be used that way.


What? Yes they were. That was where the originated. That was the entire f*cking point of them, they were execution devices.
2013-01-05 05:00:13 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


I had a dream a few nights ago in which I saw a PSA regarding the Oregon mall shooter. In the dream, the guy starts popping off a few rounds, and a few concealed-carriers pull out their weapons on the mezzanine, brace their hands on the rail, and start firing until the gunman is dead. This was followed by a black slate saying "THIS NEVER HAPPENS". It was estimated that there were at least a dozen CCW holders in the mall packing heat at the time of the shooting, yet they served no useful purpose. By and large, I believe the fantasy of armed civilians stopping a shooter are just that: fantasy. In your scenario #2, what do you think the gunman is doing while Dad gets his gun? Capping the rest of the family.
2013-01-05 04:59:36 PM
1 votes:

LessO2: Mental health and education are always the first to be chopped from the bootstrappy, deficit-reducing types in Government.

Once that stops and we're able to have a rational discussion about gun culture (not necessary control, but CULTURE), will any intelligent thought come out of this.


Or when there's a mass shooting, if the media elects to not publish the name of the shooter and their high chore, but instead focus on the names of the victims (if their family allows them to be released). That may take away the potential notoriety that these shooters are seeking. I'm not looking to restrict the media with legislation, but maybe realize that they're part of the problem.
2013-01-05 04:56:50 PM
1 votes:

stirfrybry: volodya: Clearly the answer to these situations is.....more guns!

I bet we'd get a resounding "Yes!" if we could ask the three victims who were shot to death.


Really? It looks like they were killed by a relative. Possibly by a gun already in the house. You think they wish the gun was there?
2013-01-05 04:56:00 PM
1 votes:
Interesting. Looks like the gunman was related to those who were killed.

So... the gun was already in the house? Yet another example of family killing family, courtesy of a gun for "protection"?
2013-01-05 04:53:22 PM
1 votes:
And here's the counter-article about someone shooting a home invader in self-defense. Of course no one can prove the person entering the premises would have killed anyone and a gun stopped them but that's how lopsided the argument is.

Woman shoots alleged home invader in Walton County
2013-01-05 04:50:55 PM
1 votes:
Headlines you never see:
"Crazed lunatic with a baseball bat holds family hostage, 4 dead, including batsman".

Crazy people will always be crazy, sometimes people just snap, regardless of access to mental health services. We do not have to let them get their hands on firearms.
2013-01-05 04:49:14 PM
1 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Not that mental health isn't an important issue, but what part of that article gave you any inclination as to the shooter's frame of mind? Sure, you are free to guess about it all you want, but there doesn't appear to be any indication that the shooter was anything more than a criminal as yet.


Anyone who considers shooting hostages an option under any circumstances is mentally ill you farking moron.
2013-01-05 04:48:45 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: I wonder what the liberal fascists will try to ban this time. They're already working on 2nd amendment and also the 1st with "violent" video games. How about the 3rd this time? You know, if more soldiers could commandeer homes, tragedies like this wouldn't happen as often. Think of the children and ban the 3rd amendment! No tragedy should remain unexploited!


I would ban people who believe that fascists can be liberals. Obviously too dim to think on their own.
2013-01-05 04:39:56 PM
1 votes:

tblax: I didn't say he did. I said he used guns purchased legally.


If that's the standard, then ALL guns were purchased legally. Every gun the Nazis used to kill Jews was procured or purchased legally. Every gun ever used by the police to kill innocent, unarmed people has been purchased legally. Every gun the US Marshals and FBI used at Ruby Ridge was purchased legally.

BTW, every length of rope used to hand runaway slaves, lynch black people, etc. was all purchased legally.

What's your point?
2013-01-05 04:36:10 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: tblax: I wonder if he used guns purchased legally, like Holmes or Lanza.

Adam Lanza did not purchase any firearms legally.


I didn't say he did. I said he used guns purchased legally.
2013-01-05 04:33:26 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: /ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed.


Yep. If you have a gun in the house, you are more likely to be involved in a homicide. 10 TIMES more likely to be involved in a suicide.

Good job. And I notice in your scenario, the gunman that breaks into the house lets dad go get his gun, go get ammo, load the weapon, and come back.

What a considerate gunman!
2013-01-05 04:33:19 PM
1 votes:

skinink: The NRA solution for this type of shooting is for the Federal government to post armed guards in every house.


My house has an armed guard. We haven't had a single problem.
2013-01-05 04:32:12 PM
1 votes:
You all understand hostage situations and standoffs have gone on FOREVER, right? Find one year where someone doesn't do this. Then try to find one year in any of those gun control paradises where someone doesn't also take hostages and shoot at the police.
2013-01-05 04:29:55 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle:
/whichever side "handed" the person is. And yes, they would have to get to it...im not saying they would not, but whatever, lay down for it if you wanna, i prefer to have a method to defend my family. You do what you want.



Do you also set a second glass at each meal to collect the urine you expel while pissing yourself in fear?
2013-01-05 04:27:52 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.

Evil is thinking that you can make people safer by taking away their basic freedoms.

Are you going to make it harder for everyone to get instant cold packs, household cleaning products, model airplane fuel, castor beans, or the million other everyday things someone could use to kill a lot of people too?


No, that would be ridiculous, of course. The difference is only one of those things was specifically designed to kill people, the rest weren't
2013-01-05 04:26:16 PM
1 votes:
We didn't even make it one day into 2013 without a shooting. We didn't even make it one week into 2013 without a shooting occurring where a massive shooting took place last year.

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"It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."
Life is short. Act accordingly.
2013-01-05 04:23:54 PM
1 votes:

duffblue: Adam Lanza used stolen weapons, let's retroactively criminalize everyone who doesn't piss their pants at the thought of tools.


The guns were legally bought by his mother, who taught Adam how to use them properly at legal gun control ranges (can't wait for the inevitable breathless media reports about what NRA supported classes he took). Adam would not have had access to them if they were illegal since his law-following mother would not have owned them.

"Good gun control means hitting what you shoot at - just like Adam Lanza did!" ...Hmm I think that tired joke may be retired soon.
2013-01-05 04:23:50 PM
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Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


I don't want to meet the family in your second scenario.
2013-01-05 04:22:18 PM
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Duke_leto_Atredes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Thank You

this needs to be item ONE for Obama


If it is, then it'll be item 800 billion for the House GOP, right after tax cuts for billionaires, repealing Obamacare, tax cuts for billionaires, outlawing abortion, tax cuts for billionaires, criminalizing the practice of Islam, tax cuts for billionaires, cutting funding for social services, tax cuts for billionaires, cutting funding for infrastructure maintenance, tax cuts for billionaires, outlawing fuel-efficient cars, tax cuts for billionaires, redefining rape, tax cu--

[[omitted for brevity]]


--criminalizing the act of existing while Hispanic and tax cuts for billionaires.
2013-01-05 04:20:46 PM
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Reading these gun threads on Fark over the past year has led me to believe that only the mentally ill use/own guns since every time a gun is used the person is disregarded as being mentally ill.
2013-01-05 04:20:41 PM
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Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


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Another farking blue state, and liberalisim is indeed a mental disorder.
2013-01-05 04:20:12 PM
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vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


A)We have a constitutional right to own firearms
B)There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. There's nearly one firearm for every man woman and child in this country, trying to remove them is futile.
C)It's become a trite talking point but guns don't kill people, crazy people with guns kill people.
D)Trying to take the guns would result in a civil war/insurgency, if you think Iraq and Afghanistan were something realize that those populations had 1/3rd to 1/4 the gun ownership rate of the US and that soldiers could be conditioned to think of the brown people as evil, much harder to do that against your own citizenry.
2013-01-05 04:18:07 PM
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Better regulation of guns would reduce these kinds of events, period. Anyone arguing otherwise is simply denying documented reality (those crazy bastards in Australia offer the most recent example).

But, benefits of universal gun ownership would be lost. Not sure what those are, but that's where the argument should be. Anyone arguing that gun control 'can't work to stop gun violence' is a mindless zealot you should ignore as thoroughly as a member of Westboro Baptist. But if they start asking why politicians tend to like having bodyguards who carry guns around, well that's a point for us to debate.

The benefits of gun ownership may outweigh the rare, if horrific, spectacle of a pile of dead kindergartners. That's the debate rational folks should be having.
2013-01-05 04:17:11 PM
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Perverted Idiotic Nobleman: Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.



Can the completely problem ever be solved?

/Rhetorical question, I know
2013-01-05 04:17:03 PM
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That'll teach those people to go to bed at 3am unarmed!
2013-01-05 04:15:49 PM
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Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Thank You

this needs to be item ONE for Obama
2013-01-05 04:13:27 PM
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This is what happens when you take God out of hostage negotiations.
2013-01-05 04:12:30 PM
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I wonder what the liberal fascists will try to ban this time. They're already working on 2nd amendment and also the 1st with "violent" video games. How about the 3rd this time? You know, if more soldiers could commandeer homes, tragedies like this wouldn't happen as often. Think of the children and ban the 3rd amendment! No tragedy should remain unexploited!
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-05 04:11:46 PM
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who do we arm next to prevent this?
2013-01-05 04:11:41 PM
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We should ban hostages, and then things like this wouldn't happen.
2013-01-05 04:10:41 PM
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I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue
2013-01-05 04:10:08 PM
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vudutek: GAT_00: I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.

And it never will be.


And when guns actually do get discussed, we get nowhere. So what's the point of even bringing it up anymore?
2013-01-05 04:08:24 PM
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The NRA solution for this type of shooting is for the Federal government to post armed guards in every house.
2013-01-05 04:06:46 PM
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it's a designated rape zone, yo
2013-01-05 04:04:56 PM
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vpb: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Like the creepy attraction to weapons that psychos have?


Bingo
2013-01-05 04:03:39 PM
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vpb: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Like the creepy attraction to weapons that psychos Americans have?



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