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(NBC News)   Four people dead in hostage situation/shootout in Aurora, CO. Sadly, this is NOT a repeat   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 639
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2013-01-05 01:47:08 PM
But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:40 PM
That guy in the picture is somebody we all know and love.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-05 02:01:53 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Like the creepy attraction to weapons that psychos have?
 
2013-01-05 02:05:44 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.
 
2013-01-05 02:16:21 PM
Evil is something that your average person, gun owner or not, doesn't engage in.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-05 03:25:10 PM

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


Or the interaction between the two.

Why are many people including police officers able to be safe with a revolver or a shotgun that doesn't hold more than 6 rounds?

Why is it that some people fear that they are in deathly peril if they can't have a large capacity magazine in a semi automatic weapon, while 2/3 of the population survive just fine with no firearms at all?

What if there was some sort of symptom of persecutory delusional disorder?  Perhaps hoarding a certain type of object?  Something that they were so dependent on that they would do anything to keep it, make any sort of irrational argument.  Even threaten violence if someone were to come between them and the precious?

If you could identify a certain type of object that that insecure violent people would fixate on, you would be well on your way to understanding the link to mental illness and gun violence.
 
2013-01-05 03:38:09 PM
I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.
 
2013-01-05 03:56:01 PM

GAT_00: I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.


And it never will be.
 
2013-01-05 04:03:39 PM

vpb: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Like the creepy attraction to weapons that psychos Americans have?



Also works.
 
2013-01-05 04:04:24 PM

GAT_00: I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.


Let's talk about them on Fark-that'll be productive!
 
2013-01-05 04:04:31 PM
The only thing that stops a bad psycho with a gun is a good psycho with a gun, so we have to let mentally ill people own whatever weapons they want.
 
2013-01-05 04:04:56 PM

vpb: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Like the creepy attraction to weapons that psychos have?


Bingo
 
2013-01-05 04:04:56 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Nobody brought it up in the mama bear thread.
 
2013-01-05 04:06:44 PM

vpb: Like the creepy attraction to weapons Ellen Degeneres that psychos I have?


Fixed that for me.
 
2013-01-05 04:06:46 PM
news.bbcimg.co.uk

it's a designated rape zone, yo
 
2013-01-05 04:08:17 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Not that mental health isn't an important issue, but what part of that article gave you any inclination as to the shooter's frame of mind? Sure, you are free to guess about it all you want, but there doesn't appear to be any indication that the shooter was anything more than a criminal as yet.
 
2013-01-05 04:08:24 PM
The NRA solution for this type of shooting is for the Federal government to post armed guards in every house.
 
2013-01-05 04:09:35 PM

Chinchillazilla: The only thing that stops a bad psycho with a gun is a good psycho with a gun, so we have to let mentally ill people own whatever weapons they want.


Who's the man with the golden gun?
Who's the man who kills for fun?
Psycho Dad! Psycho Dad.
 
2013-01-05 04:10:08 PM

vudutek: GAT_00: I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.

And it never will be.


And when guns actually do get discussed, we get nowhere. So what's the point of even bringing it up anymore?
 
2013-01-05 04:10:28 PM
So things are improving?
 
2013-01-05 04:10:36 PM
Gunn porn thread?

lax-magazine.com
 
2013-01-05 04:10:41 PM
I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue
 
2013-01-05 04:11:41 PM
We should ban hostages, and then things like this wouldn't happen.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-05 04:11:46 PM
who do we arm next to prevent this?
 
2013-01-05 04:12:08 PM
Mel?
 
2013-01-05 04:12:30 PM
I wonder what the liberal fascists will try to ban this time. They're already working on 2nd amendment and also the 1st with "violent" video games. How about the 3rd this time? You know, if more soldiers could commandeer homes, tragedies like this wouldn't happen as often. Think of the children and ban the 3rd amendment! No tragedy should remain unexploited!
 
2013-01-05 04:12:47 PM
Typical family murder-suicide is typical.

*yawn*
 
2013-01-05 04:13:27 PM
This is what happens when you take God out of hostage negotiations.
 
2013-01-05 04:13:48 PM

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.
 
2013-01-05 04:14:22 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Has there been any determination the suspect had prior mental health issues?
 
2013-01-05 04:14:23 PM
Is this the thread where we assume a bunch things and then the facts come out later but the trolls are already on a roll? I can't wait!


Adam Lanza used stolen weapons, let's retroactively criminalize everyone who doesn't piss their pants at the thought of tools.
 
2013-01-05 04:14:36 PM
Clearly, this could have been easily avoided if everyone in the house was armed with ED-209s.

/you have 20 seconds to comply
//you must wait 60 seconds to reply
 
2013-01-05 04:14:36 PM
So the gun nuts new war cry is "BUT WE SHOULDZ BE LOOKING INTO MENTAL HEALTH!!1" and acting as if that was somehow never suggested by the gun control advocates before?

Wow... just... wow.
 
2013-01-05 04:14:44 PM
The Dark Knight Rises? As usual, the sequel fails to live up to the hype
 
2013-01-05 04:15:26 PM
Clearly the answer to these situations is.....more guns!
 
2013-01-05 04:15:36 PM

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


Because mentally healthy people don't shoot up schools.
 
2013-01-05 04:15:49 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


Thank You

this needs to be item ONE for Obama
 
2013-01-05 04:16:03 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue


Exactly!!!' Everyone from birth to death should be heavily armed. Then we'd all be safe! Yippee.
 
2013-01-05 04:17:03 PM
That'll teach those people to go to bed at 3am unarmed!
 
2013-01-05 04:17:11 PM

Perverted Idiotic Nobleman: Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.



Can the completely problem ever be solved?

/Rhetorical question, I know
 
2013-01-05 04:17:25 PM
What type of gun was used?
 
2013-01-05 04:17:38 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue



You should get in touch with the police since you seem to be so familiar with the situation. Also, do you know which room I just walked in to?
 
2013-01-05 04:18:07 PM
Better regulation of guns would reduce these kinds of events, period. Anyone arguing otherwise is simply denying documented reality (those crazy bastards in Australia offer the most recent example).

But, benefits of universal gun ownership would be lost. Not sure what those are, but that's where the argument should be. Anyone arguing that gun control 'can't work to stop gun violence' is a mindless zealot you should ignore as thoroughly as a member of Westboro Baptist. But if they start asking why politicians tend to like having bodyguards who carry guns around, well that's a point for us to debate.

The benefits of gun ownership may outweigh the rare, if horrific, spectacle of a pile of dead kindergartners. That's the debate rational folks should be having.
 
2013-01-05 04:18:34 PM
Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.
 
2013-01-05 04:18:54 PM

Perverted Idiotic Nobleman: vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.

Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.


stupidity is thinking that "better regulation of guns" means "ZOMG SOCIALISTBONGO BE TAKIN' MY ROCKIT LONCHER"
 
2013-01-05 04:18:55 PM
Maybe if they'd kept their dog armed, this wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-01-05 04:19:22 PM
He could have drowned them in a pool.
 
2013-01-05 04:19:36 PM

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


What additional regulation would you have? As it is now the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and will never use their guns to commit a crime. Only a handful of legal gun owners ever use their legally purchased guns to commit a crime. And with that being said, what regulation would you enact to prevent them from doing so? You are saying that we need better regulation of guns, so give us your suggestions. Tell us what regulation would have prevented this incident.
 
2013-01-05 04:19:40 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Thank You

this needs to be item ONE for Obama


Too bad his original healthcare plan that WOULD have made access to mental help easier got flushed down the toilet, right? Too bad about that... huh? Eh? Hello?

Yeah.
 
2013-01-05 04:20:00 PM
Another day in america. Another mass murder. Another shoot out. Another day full of sound and fury signifying nothing as america does nothing to solve the situation but whine. Another day where nobody outside of the us cares.
 
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