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2013-01-05 04:20:12 PM

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


A)We have a constitutional right to own firearms
B)There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. There's nearly one firearm for every man woman and child in this country, trying to remove them is futile.
C)It's become a trite talking point but guns don't kill people, crazy people with guns kill people.
D)Trying to take the guns would result in a civil war/insurgency, if you think Iraq and Afghanistan were something realize that those populations had 1/3rd to 1/4 the gun ownership rate of the US and that soldiers could be conditioned to think of the brown people as evil, much harder to do that against your own citizenry.
 
2013-01-05 04:20:41 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.


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Another farking blue state, and liberalisim is indeed a mental disorder.
 
2013-01-05 04:20:46 PM
Reading these gun threads on Fark over the past year has led me to believe that only the mentally ill use/own guns since every time a gun is used the person is disregarded as being mentally ill.
 
2013-01-05 04:21:10 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


What sucks about reading your posts is knowing you're exactly the type of delusional nutjob that probably has a cache of guns
 
2013-01-05 04:21:26 PM
You know what? fark it. If people are intent on pretending like guns aren't a problem and it's 'THE CRAZY PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME LOL', then we need to have a tragedy like this every goddamned day until people get tired of seeing dead people, or enough victims get pissed off enough to tar and feather the local NRA gun nuts in their respective communities.

Until then, BRING IT ON, BABY. Let's see how much blood America can take before she flinches.
 
2013-01-05 04:21:39 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.



So a powerful weapon - does it go on the left with the forks, the right with the knife, or above the plate?
 
2013-01-05 04:21:42 PM

CruiserTwelve: That guy in the picture is somebody we all know and love.


I don't recognize him. Was in anything recent?
 
2013-01-05 04:21:59 PM
another Schizophrenic gun. when are these manufacturers going to start screen these guns for mental illness? its crazy. you'd have thougt they'd figured it out by now.
 
2013-01-05 04:22:09 PM

tblax: Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.

What sucks about reading your posts is knowing you're exactly the type of delusional nutjob that probably has a cache of guns


He's a bleeding heart liberal, FWIW
 
2013-01-05 04:22:18 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Thank You

this needs to be item ONE for Obama


If it is, then it'll be item 800 billion for the House GOP, right after tax cuts for billionaires, repealing Obamacare, tax cuts for billionaires, outlawing abortion, tax cuts for billionaires, criminalizing the practice of Islam, tax cuts for billionaires, cutting funding for social services, tax cuts for billionaires, cutting funding for infrastructure maintenance, tax cuts for billionaires, outlawing fuel-efficient cars, tax cuts for billionaires, redefining rape, tax cu--

[[omitted for brevity]]


--criminalizing the act of existing while Hispanic and tax cuts for billionaires.
 
2013-01-05 04:22:44 PM

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

.
Another farking blue state, and liberalisim is indeed a mental disorder.


Because, as we all know, 'blue' state means EVERYONE is a liberal! And political affiliations have EVERYTHING to do with every shooting.
 
2013-01-05 04:22:50 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off


Which side of the plate does the Glock go on?
 
2013-01-05 04:23:00 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue

Exactly!!!' Everyone from birth to death should be heavily armed. Then we'd all be safe! Yippee.


/yes, because enacting a new total gun ban would make every criminal in the USA turn in their guns. You know, out of civic duty. It's a much better tactic when faced with a armed person in your home to just lay down and piss yourself, and wait for him to kill you and your family. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
2013-01-05 04:23:40 PM
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2013-01-05 04:23:50 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


I don't want to meet the family in your second scenario.
 
2013-01-05 04:23:54 PM

duffblue: Adam Lanza used stolen weapons, let's retroactively criminalize everyone who doesn't piss their pants at the thought of tools.


The guns were legally bought by his mother, who taught Adam how to use them properly at legal gun control ranges (can't wait for the inevitable breathless media reports about what NRA supported classes he took). Adam would not have had access to them if they were illegal since his law-following mother would not have owned them.

"Good gun control means hitting what you shoot at - just like Adam Lanza did!" ...Hmm I think that tired joke may be retired soon.
 
2013-01-05 04:24:09 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Waxing_Chewbacca: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue

Exactly!!!' Everyone from birth to death should be heavily armed. Then we'd all be safe! Yippee.

/yes, because enacting a new total gun ban would make every criminal in the USA turn in their guns. You know, out of civic duty. It's a much better tactic when faced with a armed person in your home to just lay down and piss yourself, and wait for him to kill you and your family. Let me know how that works out for you.


How do you get through the day without pissing yourself in fear?
 
2013-01-05 04:24:31 PM
once we ban aurora colorado all will be well. is columbine in aurora ?
 
2013-01-05 04:24:34 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.


The difference between you and me, is that I dream of place where people don't need guns to defend themselves and you do. Both dreams are stupidly implausible, but I choose the one that behooves a modern society and is nothing like Somalia. You really want a place where people NEED to carry guns? Really? That's barbaric. Dream bigger.
 
2013-01-05 04:24:46 PM

Mock26: What type of gun was used?


The bad kind, obviously.
 
2013-01-05 04:25:16 PM

MorePeasPlease: GAT_00: I'm sure glad this still isn't time to talk about guns.

Let's talk about them on Fark-that'll be productive!


Yeah, go get a blog.
 
2013-01-05 04:25:46 PM

vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.


Evil is thinking that you can make people safer by taking away their basic freedoms.

Are you going to make it harder for everyone to get instant cold packs, household cleaning products, model airplane fuel, castor beans, or the million other everyday things someone could use to kill a lot of people too?
 
2013-01-05 04:25:53 PM

TheHappyCanadian: Perverted Idiotic Nobleman: vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.

Stupidity is thinking that taking away guns will solve the completely problem.

stupidity is thinking that "better regulation of guns" means "ZOMG SOCIALISTBONGO BE TAKIN' MY ROCKIT LONCHER"


Alright, goddammit. I sick of this farking analogy. Rifles are small arms. Rocket Launchers are ordnance. NO ONE is advocating for ordnance to be legal. NO ONE. Now stop this nonsense, you ass.
 
2013-01-05 04:26:01 PM

TheHappyCanadian: Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off
4 Dad calls the cops, and they show up with the meat wagon.
5. Family finishes dinner.


/ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed. But...at least you would have a chance at defending your family. And its a better chance than having nothing and just getting shot like a dog.

I don't want to meet the family in your second scenario.


After reading so many threads on this topic, I think scenario #2 is a wet dream fantasy of way too many people. As if people are just sitting around eating dinner hoping someone barges in so they can blow their head off. I know that's not actually true, but it sure seems that way.
 
2013-01-05 04:26:16 PM
We didn't even make it one day into 2013 without a shooting. We didn't even make it one week into 2013 without a shooting occurring where a massive shooting took place last year.

upload.wikimedia.org
"It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."
Life is short. Act accordingly.
 
2013-01-05 04:26:18 PM

Surpheon: The guns were legally bought by his mother, who taught Adam how to use them properly at legal gun control ranges (can't wait for the inevitable breathless media reports about what NRA supported classes he took). Adam would not have had access to them if they were illegal since his law-following mother would not have owned them.


Thankfully it's so simple. Just ban EVERYONE's guns because a very rare few may misuse them. Maybe we should do that with everything else.

Would we be having this same convseration if he had burglarized a police vehicle and used their guns? Even the ATF, FBI, and DEA have had automatic weapons, flashbangs, vests, etc. stolen in vehicle burglaries. If someone misuses one of their guns, should we disarm them too?
 
2013-01-05 04:26:27 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Bit'O'Gristle: story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and blows the gunmans head off

Which side of the plate does the Glock go on?


/whichever side "handed" the person is. And yes, they would have to get to it...im not saying they would not, but whatever, lay down for it if you wanna, i prefer to have a method to defend my family. You do what you want.
 
2013-01-05 04:27:11 PM

TheHappyCanadian: stupidity is thinking that "better regulation of guns" means "ZOMG SOCIALISTBONGO BE TAKIN' MY ROCKIT LONCHER"


Not entirely. For it to be effective, gun control means a HELL of a lot more than requiring gun licenses. If we don't go whole-hog banning, there isn't much point beyond liberal point scoring. See Australia for the minimum needed actions to really have an impact.

No point lying about what it will take. It will take a constitutional amendment, with that level of public support, for that to happen too.

Obama will take the political point, but ultimately the half-measure will do no good. You have to dam the whole stream not just half, and the public support isn't there yet. Better to do nothing other than collect facts and educate people on them - both the good and bad on universal gun access.
 
2013-01-05 04:27:43 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun

and gets gunned down while he's getting it from wherever he keeps it, because nobody has their farking gun at the farking dinner table unless they, themselves, are mentally ill.
4. Gunman is more alert, so nobody escapes to get the police.
5. Eventually, he kills them all like sheep.
6. And gets away.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-05 04:27:52 PM

JesseL: vudutek: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

Please, explain. Why have these gun-related issues become a discussion ONLY about mental health? Why not discuss mental health programs AND better regulation of guns? And, if mental health is SO important, why are mental health programs being cut to the bone by just about every governmental agency around?

Evil is thinking that more guns is the answer. Evil is thinking that bulletproof clothing for schoolkids is the answer.

Evil is thinking that you can make people safer by taking away their basic freedoms.

Are you going to make it harder for everyone to get instant cold packs, household cleaning products, model airplane fuel, castor beans, or the million other everyday things someone could use to kill a lot of people too?


No, that would be ridiculous, of course. The difference is only one of those things was specifically designed to kill people, the rest weren't
 
2013-01-05 04:28:33 PM

Infernalist: Bit'O'Gristle: Waxing_Chewbacca: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm really glad that the people in the house had guns, and were able to effectively take out this scumbag before everyone in the house were gunned down like tied down sheep.


/oh wait...they didn't and they were.
//please continue

Exactly!!!' Everyone from birth to death should be heavily armed. Then we'd all be safe! Yippee.

/yes, because enacting a new total gun ban would make every criminal in the USA turn in their guns. You know, out of civic duty. It's a much better tactic when faced with a armed person in your home to just lay down and piss yourself, and wait for him to kill you and your family. Let me know how that works out for you.

How do you get through the day without pissing yourself in fear?


/lol..who said i was afraid? I'm actually not at all.  i just choose my right to be able to defend myself and my family.  No, the odds are that nothing will happen, but those people killed probably thought the same thing. Just saying. Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.
 
2013-01-05 04:28:39 PM

PillsHere: Reading these gun threads on Fark over the past year has led me to believe that only the mentally ill use/own guns since every time a gun is used the person is disregarded as being mentally ill.


Well it certainly shouldn't be normal for someone to have the urge to go on a shooting spree. Are you suggesting mentally stable people would shoot up a neighborhood?
 
2013-01-05 04:28:57 PM

LordJiro: Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and gets gunned down while he's getting it from wherever he keeps it, because nobody has their farking gun at the farking dinner table unless they, themselves, are mentally ill.
4. Gunman is more alert, so nobody escapes to get the police.
5. Eventually, he kills them all like sheep.
6. And gets away.

FTFY.


So it's not a big deal if the dad still has a gun since he won't be able to make a difference anyway, right?
 
2013-01-05 04:29:00 PM

LordJiro: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

.
Another farking blue state, and liberalisim is indeed a mental disorder.

Because, as we all know, 'blue' state means EVERYONE is a liberal! And political affiliations have EVERYTHING to do with every shooting.


.
Fark has taught me that such broad generalizations are perfectly acceptable, normal, and expected.
 
2013-01-05 04:29:43 PM

Linux_Yes: another Schizophrenic gun. when are these manufacturers going to start screen these guns for mental illness? its crazy. you'd have thougt they'd figured it out by now.


Lol, he's talking about himself.
 
2013-01-05 04:29:55 PM

Bit'O'Gristle:
/whichever side "handed" the person is. And yes, they would have to get to it...im not saying they would not, but whatever, lay down for it if you wanna, i prefer to have a method to defend my family. You do what you want.



Do you also set a second glass at each meal to collect the urine you expel while pissing yourself in fear?
 
2013-01-05 04:29:56 PM

tblax: No, that would be ridiculous, of course. The difference is only one of those things was specifically designed to kill people, the rest weren't


Does that really make it better? That they're used to kill as a secondary use, OR that they kill as an unintended side effect?

I thought the goal was saving lives and not simply shifting the methods of murder.
 
2013-01-05 04:29:57 PM

LordJiro: Bit'O'Gristle: Story 1.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. Gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone.
3. No way to defend yourself, due to no guns in the house
4. One member of the family gets away, alerting police
5. gunman sees police, kills everyone in the house like sheep
6. cops charge in and gun the shooter until he dies from it.

story 2.

1. family is at home having dinner
2. gunman comes in and threatens to kill everyone
3. Dad goes for his gun and gets gunned down while he's getting it from wherever he keeps it, because nobody has their farking gun at the farking dinner table unless they, themselves, are mentally ill.
4. Gunman is more alert, so nobody escapes to get the police.
5. Eventually, he kills them all like sheep.
6. And gets away.

FTFY.


0 / 10. Who said anything about having it right at the table. Moron.
 
2013-01-05 04:30:17 PM

david_gaithersburg: LordJiro: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: But god forbid we talk about mental health issues...that would be evil.

.
Another farking blue state, and liberalisim is indeed a mental disorder.

Because, as we all know, 'blue' state means EVERYONE is a liberal! And political affiliations have EVERYTHING to do with every shooting.

.
Fark has taught me that such broad generalizations are perfectly acceptable, normal, and expected.


Only for red states. Get it right.
 
2013-01-05 04:30:26 PM

Awesome T-Shirt: Linux_Yes: another Schizophrenic gun. when are these manufacturers going to start screen these guns for mental illness? its crazy. you'd have thougt they'd figured it out by now.

Lol, he's talking about himself.


And of course, I quote the wrong person.
 
2013-01-05 04:31:05 PM

pedrop357: Thankfully it's so simple. Just ban EVERYONE's guns because a very rare few may misuse them. Maybe we should do that with everything else.

Would we be having this same convseration if he had burglarized a police vehicle and used their guns? Even the ATF, FBI, and DEA have had automatic weapons, flashbangs, vests, etc. stolen in vehicle burglaries. If someone misuses one of their guns, should we disarm them too?



Again, every other first world nation on Earth demonstrates your argument as stupid. Police are well trained and take reasonable precautions with their weapons. Private citizens statistically do not.

I am not pro-gun control, but I have nothing but contempt for your idiotic and factually baseless religious position. It's the intellectual equivalent of creationism when we live in a world of data on a plethora of effective gun regulation schemes.
 
2013-01-05 04:31:37 PM
As a long-standing liberal the whole thing makes me chuckle.

There's SO much emphasis by the right to keep Libs away from their guns that they're willing to forego and betray almost every single other principle they stand for in order to keep them.

Mental health? We need more services....which means state-sponsored health care.
Better licensing? They're game to get as obtrusive into private lives as is needed.
More legislation? As long as it means they get to keep their guns, they're willing to listen.
Mandatory Safety Training? If they get to keep their guns then they'll be happy to let the State tell them what is and what is not a safe practice.
Mandatory Registration? Do you want DNA or is microchipping the weapon and the owner to match reasonable enough?

Seriously....you'll give it all away for the sake of being able to have the existing situation continue where people are getting killed on a consistent basis.
 
2013-01-05 04:32:12 PM
You all understand hostage situations and standoffs have gone on FOREVER, right? Find one year where someone doesn't do this. Then try to find one year in any of those gun control paradises where someone doesn't also take hostages and shoot at the police.
 
2013-01-05 04:33:19 PM

Surpheon: pedrop357: Thankfully it's so simple. Just ban EVERYONE's guns because a very rare few may misuse them. Maybe we should do that with everything else.

Would we be having this same convseration if he had burglarized a police vehicle and used their guns? Even the ATF, FBI, and DEA have had automatic weapons, flashbangs, vests, etc. stolen in vehicle burglaries. If someone misuses one of their guns, should we disarm them too?


Again, every other first world nation on Earth demonstrates your argument as stupid. Police are well trained and take reasonable precautions with their weapons. Private citizens statistically do not.

I am not pro-gun control, but I have nothing but contempt for your idiotic and factually baseless religious position. It's the intellectual equivalent of creationism when we live in a world of data on a plethora of effective gun regulation schemes.


.
DId you post to the wrong thread or something?
 
2013-01-05 04:33:19 PM

skinink: The NRA solution for this type of shooting is for the Federal government to post armed guards in every house.


My house has an armed guard. We haven't had a single problem.
 
2013-01-05 04:33:26 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: /ya ya, i know its not that clear cut, and even with a gun or guns in the house, you still have a chance at getting killed.


Yep. If you have a gun in the house, you are more likely to be involved in a homicide. 10 TIMES more likely to be involved in a suicide.

Good job. And I notice in your scenario, the gunman that breaks into the house lets dad go get his gun, go get ammo, load the weapon, and come back.

What a considerate gunman!
 
2013-01-05 04:33:30 PM
I wonder if he used guns purchased legally, like Holmes or Lanza.
 
2013-01-05 04:33:59 PM

Surpheon: Again, every other first world nation on Earth demonstrates your argument as stupid. Police are well trained and take reasonable precautions with their weapons. Private citizens statistically do not.

I am not pro-gun control, but I have nothing but contempt for your idiotic and factually baseless religious position. It's the intellectual equivalent of creationism when we live in a world of data on a plethora of effective gun regulation schemes.



Really? Is that why the police injure so many bystanders and average citizens do not? How do you explain police vehicles and armories being occasionally burglarized? If everyone should be disarms because one guy in CT stole someone's weapons and killed people, shouldn't that same standard apply to the government's weapons?
 
2013-01-05 04:34:28 PM

aearra: Another day in america. Another mass murder. Another shoot out. Another day full of sound and fury signifying nothing as america does nothing to solve the situation but whine. Another day where nobody outside of the us cares.


the us?
 
2013-01-05 04:35:04 PM
Aurora, Co. The Tijuana of Colorado. Act accordingly.
 
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