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2003-12-11 01:39:42 PM
Felonies can cause immigration problems

As it damn well should. We have enough problems with the flood of immigrants (both legal and illegal) sucking off the tit of Uncle Sam without clogging up our already overpopulated country with felons. I don't give a rats ass if this clown is on welfare of a farking brain surgeon. I also don't care if it was in 1985. We should hunt his "felon" ass down and deport him.
 
2003-12-11 01:41:47 PM
He's got the same legal rights as a natural-born citizen... do you recommend throwing them out of the country too?
 
2003-12-11 01:42:56 PM
Are you suggesting felons are migratory?

(horribly mangled Monty Python reference)
 
2003-12-11 01:44:46 PM
Immigration can cause felony problems.
 
2003-12-11 01:45:04 PM
spiffy

I believe the term you are looking for is teet...I agree with you whole-heartedly. Perhaps we should start deporting our own felons, eh?
 
2003-12-11 01:45:41 PM
it is wrong to penalize citizens for felonies for which they have already compensated/atoned/taken care of with the justice system. Why should a person be punished again and again after they have already served time/paid fines etc etc and been un "upstanding citizen" for twenty years?
 
2003-12-11 01:45:42 PM
It's guys like that who are stealing precious minimum-wage jobs from our own native-born felons!
 
2003-12-11 01:45:59 PM
I hear water helps when your thirsty too.
 
2003-12-11 01:47:42 PM
2003-12-11 01:44:46 PM Kundry

Immigration can cause felony problems.

/golf clap
 
2003-12-11 01:48:55 PM
that was quite possibly the most lame submission i've seen...
 
2003-12-11 01:49:48 PM
So can I go to Mercury or not?
 
2003-12-11 01:50:44 PM
Here's a tip: Don't break the farking law in the first place.
 
2003-12-11 01:51:32 PM
Isn't Austrailia a felony immigration site?
 
2003-12-11 01:53:52 PM
Dear Larry,

The Federal Government made a mistake. After being convicted for a felony in 1984 you should have been shipped back to Costa Rica and never allowed to return.

Oh and pgoat, he is not a citizen of this country and therefore does not have the same rights as a citizen of this country.
 
2003-12-11 01:55:02 PM
Spiffy_McJesus

What tribe are you from? I'll bet your ancestors were immigrants...
 
2003-12-11 01:55:48 PM
suckit Oh and pgoat, he is not a citizen of this country and therefore does not have the same rights as a citizen of this country.

Unfortunatley non-citizens have almost all of the legal rights that citizens have.
 
2003-12-11 01:55:57 PM
We don't have enough felons in this country. I'm all for importing felons! And if we do start inporting felons, I bet Halliburton gets the contract.
 
2003-12-11 01:56:56 PM
Australia. I'm so ashamed.

that's craw, not craw!!
 
2003-12-11 01:57:01 PM
His problem is that he is trying to do this the legal way. Screw that. Just come back the way everybody else does it: Rio Grande breast stroke.
 
2003-12-11 01:57:17 PM
suckit Oh and pgoat, he is not a citizen of this country and therefore does not have the same rights as a citizen of this country.

Unfortunatley non-citizens have almost all of the legal rights that citizens have.
 
2003-12-11 01:58:57 PM
GooberMcFly:

If we had a perfect justice system, that got it right each and every time, that logic would work.

Unfortunately enough people are wrongly convicted that we need a system that gives the "convicted" the ability to continue their lives after being punished.

The whole concept of cracking down hard and mercilessly on "criminals" works great if you can ensure that no one is wrongfully convicted.
 
2003-12-11 02:00:17 PM
You're both wrong! the word is "teat"
 
2003-12-11 02:02:18 PM
TexasPride ageed, this country is going to the pooper. I feel for our children. I went to an ATM machine the other day and I had to pick from five different friggin languages. Its just wrong.
 
2003-12-11 02:04:19 PM
suckit: I went to an ATM machine the other day and I had to pick from five different friggin languages. Its just wrong.

Maybe you can tell us which language you picked, and why that language is so much better than the other four?
 
2003-12-11 02:08:07 PM
Spare a thought for us poor non-citizen legal residents who have gone through the system properly and paid over $600 for the privilege.
No vote, not even local elections.
No state or federal support: you have to be illegal to get welfare, cheap housing etc.
The same high taxes as the rest of you farkers.

No Taxation Without Representation

/sorry just venting, if I thought it wasn't worth it, I could always leave
 
2003-12-11 02:09:16 PM
GOOD !! Eff them !



[Likes 'profiling']
 
2003-12-11 02:09:53 PM
TexasPride: "Unfortunatley non-citizens have almost all of the legal rights that citizens have."

Why is that unfortunatew? I thought we Americans want everyone to enjoy the rights and freedoms we do. Maybe not using social services etc. without paying taxes, but all the other rights we enjoy.
 
2003-12-11 02:10:44 PM
downstairs, last time I checked ENGLISH was our native language. I'm sure this will be disputed but it seems pretty universal by default to me.
 
2003-12-11 02:14:04 PM
2003-12-11 01:39:42 PM Spiffy_McJesus

As it damn well should. We have enough problems with the flood of immigrants (both legal and illegal) sucking off the tit of Uncle Sam without clogging up our already overpopulated country with felons.

2003-12-11 01:55:48 PM TexasPride

Unfortunatley non-citizens have almost all of the legal rights that citizens have.


On behalf of the hardworking legal resident alien community of the US, I'd like to extend a hearty "fark you" to the both of you. So we have productive members of society that work hard, and pay their taxes! Damn them for wanting to reap the benefits of the US. Now, while I agree that a felony should bring the subject of the story's case into question, as far as those of us with clean records, you can just go to hell. Unless you're 100% Native American blood, your ancestors aren't native to this land. Hence, the melting pot, land of opportunity, etc. But, I suppose that doesn't count, now that your selfish asses are settled, everyone else can F.O.A.D, huh?

Let me be clear, I don't endorse illegal immigrants at all, and think that in nearly all cases they should be shipped back to their homelands. The US immigration (Visa/Green Card) process is long and complicated, and I think it's justified.

Personally, I'd rather have a legal immigrant working hard than some citizen schmuck sucking off welfare.

- DRFSR
 
2003-12-11 02:14:48 PM
suckit: Around here the native language is any number of native american dialects.
 
2003-12-11 02:15:17 PM
Suckit It may be the 'accepted' native language, but it's not legally defined.

Once again, I feel that people coming to this country should learn English... Majority does rule.

('Course I'm a tad biased, having emigrated from Britain, and all)

- R
 
2003-12-11 02:15:30 PM
suckit: I went to an ATM machine the other day and I had to pick from five different friggin languages. Its just wrong.

I agree! Language preference should be encoded in the ATM strip!
And when I select "Fast Cash" I damn well don't want to friggen check my balance afterward! Just give me my damn cash, card, and receipt!
 
2003-12-11 02:15:59 PM
Ooh !!! Popcorn !!
 
2003-12-11 02:17:19 PM
suckit
downstairs, last time I checked ENGLISH was our native language. I'm sure this will be disputed but it seems pretty universal by default to me.

Um, albeit semantics, but we speak American. The British can't understand our brutalization of the language.
 
2003-12-11 02:18:09 PM
English supposedly our native language? Obviously you've never been to Southern California ... or areas of Miami; Perth Amboy, Union or Jersey City, New Jersey. English rates about #3!
 
2003-12-11 02:23:46 PM
If English became our language by military conquest, why can't Spanish compete with English through cultural conquest?
 
2003-12-11 02:24:15 PM
MikeWeath:
You've hit upon something there:
I thought we Americans want everyone to enjoy the rights and freedoms we do. Maybe not using social services etc. without paying taxes, but all the other rights we enjoy.

Social services aren't, per se, a right... They are perks or priveleges or whatever, but not RIGHTS. Or, if one insists on calling them "rights", one must not neglect the other side of the coin, i.e., responsibility. In that case, there is a responsibility to abide by duly enacted laws.

So anyway-- yeah, we (Americans, generally speaking) want folks to enjoy the rights we enjoy, but to talk only or rights is incomplete. We also want folks to assume the same responsibilities we assume -in particular, a fealty to the rule of law.

Ok- getting a bit off track.... Just my $0.02
 
2003-12-11 02:27:36 PM
MikeWeath:
why can't Spanish compete with English through cultural conquest?

To which I say, why can't (or shouldn't) English resist such cultural conquest?
 
2003-12-11 02:28:38 PM
Are Uncle Sam's teats anything like Bill Parcells'? 'cos if they are, I'm moving back to Australia.
 
2003-12-11 02:29:39 PM
midas_welby "Social services aren't, per se, a right... "

I can send my kids to public school. Everyone has the right to until the laws change. Same with collecting social secuity, etc. They not be a natual rights, but under the law everyone has a right to acces those services. You're nitpicking.
 
2003-12-11 02:29:43 PM
Immigrants? Don't get me started on those damn immigrants! With their weird languages and smells, farking up my country! First, they leave behind most everything they know and struggle to get their asses in here in hordes, causing serious port congeston! Then they are willing to put aside their egos to take our best jobs like tomato picking and car washing in order to get started, totally showing us up! Then they have the audacity to take time learning the language and adapting to a new culture. Bastards. Then, after they do adapt, they contribute nothing to an otherwise perfect society. Immigrants, pff, America never needed them.


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
2003-12-11 02:30:51 PM
Look, I think we can all argree that this country is a melting pot of different cultures. My concern is, why are we catering to certain populations. American history shows that immigrants in the early 1900's came to this country to be Americans. To bring a skill or knowledge. They came to asimilate, and if they didn't they starved. Today, I read how 10,000 mexicans cross our borders daily and many of them end up on welfare or other means of public assistance. So that means that we all we go to work Monday through sometime on Wednesday to pay for them. I'm not saying we should let people starve on the streets. But the system needs some serious overhauling. Some sort of means testing or something so it isn't as abused. So when I sit here and rant about the country going in the pooper and language selections at ATM machines it is because I see a trend in this country towards socialism. i.e. the government taking my money weekly, practiclly at gun point, and redistributing it as they see fit to people that are noncitizens sitting in some public housing complex watching soap operas. I believe taxes are neccessary, but that we should be able to keep as much of what we make as possible so we can spend it as we see fit. You should have the choice of what to do with your money, not the governement. At least that is the America George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were shooting for.
 
2003-12-11 02:34:45 PM
I gotta agree with you Suck it, the system does need serious overhauling. Times have changed, and with terrorism being such a serious threat, the INs needs work. But, cuting off immigration will only hurt the US. Immigrants bring with them not only talent and culture, but a true desire to achieve. "And thats a good thing" -Martha Stewart
 
2003-12-11 02:38:52 PM
This chick's parents are both immigrants who had certain rules that had to be followed. The most important one was we all had to learn English properly. Secondly, we had to work for a living and leave public assistance programs for those who were in dire need. My grandmother came to the US at age 50, worked in the garment industry for nearly 20 years and was a card-carrying Democrat active in her union. Both of my parents became citizens as soon as they were eligible and actively participate in elections and community boards.

There are many who abuse the system, immigrant and native born, but don't bundle all immigrants into the same bunch.

/rant over, drinking commences
 
2003-12-11 02:39:49 PM
I should have added that 10,000 mexicans cross our borders ILLEGALLY. Therefore they are criminals the second they cross the border. Immigration good. Illegal immigration bad.
 
2003-12-11 02:39:59 PM
when I sit here and rant about the country going in the pooper and language selections at ATM machines it is because I see a trend in this country towards socialism.

Multi-lingual ATM a sign of Socialism? Come on, it's more like market recognition. There will always be people who don't know the language yet. When you go overseas, don't you find it easier that there are essential instructions available in English?
 
2003-12-11 02:41:13 PM
MikeWeath:
I can send my kids to public school... [s]ame with collecting social secuity, etc. You're nitpicking.

It's not "nitpicking" when when it's taking money out of my pockets. It's larceny. And anyway, I'm not sure that they do have the right (sensu lato) to, e.g., collect SS.
 
2003-12-11 02:48:10 PM
Again agreeing w/ suckit many do come here from various countries and regions(cough cough mexico, central america)
not even trying to learn the local customs, and learning only enough to get by. However the children they do have tend to Americanize(is that a word?). Anyway, we still see an erosion of American culture, that doesnt seem close to being stopped
 
2003-12-11 02:51:43 PM
voodoochild is right, saying, "cutting off immigration will only hurt the US." Look at, for example, Germany, which has insanely strict immigration guidelines. How are they faring as a result of their effective near-complete block on immigration? Well, I can't say that it's due entirely to their "keep out!" policy, but I can say that it contributes to the situation that they're in, which is that the working folks have got WAAAY too many old folks to support I forget what the ratio is, but it's pretty high, the number of pensioners a single worker essentially has to support with his/her taxes. Result? Taxes get higher and higher. This is bad if you think that you should get to keep the money that you earn. What they need is more workers among which to distribute the gargantuan load of social welfare costs. So we need more workers, yeah; in effect, we need immigrants. But we also need -DESPERATELY!- to keep track of who's coming in. Why? Well, if they're doing their part, which is to help shoulder the load of social welfare programs, we need to have them come here LEGALLY so we can tax them appropriately. They have to take the bad (taxes) with the good (life in the Land of Opportunity).
 
2003-12-11 02:53:27 PM
I lived in North Miami from 1973-1978. One of the biggest things that sticks in my mind from living there is/was the large Cuban population. I went to Catholic School (Msgr Edward Pace in case there are any "Spartans" that fark), and we had lots of Cubans there. I had/have no problem with them, per se, but the thing that really got me was the parents and/or grandparents unwillingness to learn English. One girls grandmother, I remember, REFUSED to learn how to speak English. I understand immigrants wanting to maintain some of their customs, etc., but WTF??? we let you into this country to escape that whacko Castro. The LEAST you could do is learn the freakin' language.

I lived in Mexico City for three years when I was little and came home speaking fluent Spanish. Granted, it's a little bit harder for the adults, but that's no excuse!
 
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