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(freakoutnation.com)   Debt Ceiling: Lindsey Graham wants Social Security on the table, Ronald Reagan disagrees   (freakoutnation.com) divider line 118
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2013-01-05 12:35:15 PM  
That's a pretty awesome video clip of Ronald Reagan speaking the truth.  Lindsey Graham is a turd.
 
2013-01-05 01:04:54 PM  
And I want him to come out of the closet.
 
2013-01-05 01:30:42 PM  
Lindsey Graham is 57.  If he thinks that SS payouts are too high, perhaps he could start with promising to never take a cent from the fund.  He has been in Congress since 1995 after all.  Or if he thinks that he needs it for his retirement, and he has been paid quite a lot of money for nearly 20 years in a row, then clearly SS payouts are too low and need to be raised.
 
2013-01-05 01:36:57 PM  
Sure, why not? You guys failed to get it privatised so your Wall St. buddies could steal it all, so find another way to cut the safety nets. Farkstain.
 
2013-01-05 01:37:27 PM  
I would like the Democrats to call the Republicans' bluff on the debt ceiling this time around. When push comes to shove, I'm not convinced there are enough Republicans who would ignore their corporate sponsors' pleadings not to force the country into default.
 
2013-01-05 01:38:14 PM  
The goal isn't to kill SS, at least not today. The goal is to "compromise" on killing Medicare. This is just their starting position.

Sad part is I'm 100% certain Obama will fall for it. He's fallen for everything else so far.
 
2013-01-05 01:41:46 PM  
Over in zero.
 
2013-01-05 01:42:35 PM  
And another sociopathic Republican initiative takes form.
 
2013-01-05 01:43:18 PM  
However it works out were boned.
 
2013-01-05 01:43:56 PM  
www.earthenspirituality.com

What has happened to our society when all we can think of is screwing over people that have worked all their lives and paid into a system that promised them they wouldn't starve and lose everything. Screw these guys. My grandpa raised 8 kids during the great depression and he HATED republicans. I can't even imagine how he would feel about this group of mean spirited greedy asses.
 
2013-01-05 01:45:25 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Sad part is I'm 100% certain Obama will fall for it. He's fallen for everything else so far.


Wait, did we go over the cliff without me noticing? Or get a deal without tax hikes on the wealthy?
 
2013-01-05 01:47:09 PM  
Republicans don't care what Reagan actually said or did. They worship the image of him they've burned into their minds. All they need to know is he was a cowboy hero who talked tough to the Commies when the USSR was on its last legs.
 
2013-01-05 01:47:18 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: I would like the Democrats to call the Republicans' bluff on the debt ceiling this time around. When push comes to shove, I'm not convinced there are enough Republicans who would ignore their corporate sponsors' pleadings not to force the country into default.


I think the Democrats should put a one time offer on the table: we will agree to every single cut you make if they are all matched at 1:1 with tax increases, with eighty cents of that coming on income above $250,000, and the Democrats have total control of what the tax will be.

And once they reject it, and I know they will, then Democrats can bash them as not being serious about deficit reform and not wanting to accept their own offer.
 
2013-01-05 01:48:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lost Thought 00: Sad part is I'm 100% certain Obama will fall for it. He's fallen for everything else so far.

Wait, did we go over the cliff without me noticing? Or get a deal without tax hikes on the wealthy?


We did go over the cliff, we guaranteed that we have to do this now with cuts since Biden kicked the can down the road, and he failed to meet his promise to raise taxes on incomes above $250k.

But hey, good DNC spin as always.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:31 PM  
What does Social Security have to do with the debt limit?
 
2013-01-05 01:50:20 PM  
I don't find it the least surprising that when Congress needed to reach a compromise in order to bail out Wall Street and the big banks they managed to do it quite quickly. Now to compromise to help the average American just seems too difficult. And of course the answer will be for the average person to make the sacrifice to straighten out the mess created by the wealthy. We could start by bringing the troops home and closing the books on Afghanistan Inc., where once again the average American pays the price with blood and money while the wealthy will reap the profits.
 
2013-01-05 01:51:03 PM  

MFAWG: What does Social Security have to do with the debt limit?


It doesn't. But it sounds scary doesn't it?
 
2013-01-05 01:51:46 PM  

MFAWG: What does Social Security have to do with the debt limit?


That'sthejoke.jpg
 
2013-01-05 01:52:56 PM  

GAT_00: cameroncrazy1984: Lost Thought 00: Sad part is I'm 100% certain Obama will fall for it. He's fallen for everything else so far.

Wait, did we go over the cliff without me noticing? Or get a deal without tax hikes on the wealthy?

We did go over the cliff, we guaranteed that we have to do this now with cuts since Biden kicked the can down the road, and he failed to meet his promise to raise taxes on incomes above $250k.

But hey, good DNC spin as always.


So... is compromise good or bad? I can never remember the current rage in negotiation tactics. Also, there were always going to be cuts. Did you think it was all revenue?

Unilateral victories only happen when one side is being evil. Sorry that Obama didn't... again.... threaten to end someone's life if they didn't go for his original deal.
 
2013-01-05 01:52:57 PM  

LessO2: MFAWG: What does Social Security have to do with the debt limit?

That'sthejoke.jpg


The joke is that 47 pct of the country actually thinks it does.
 
2013-01-05 01:55:13 PM  

stoli n coke: Republicans don't care what Reagan actually said or did. They worship the image of him they've burned into their minds. All they need to know is he was a cowboy hero who talked tough to the Commies when the USSR was on its last legs.


Conservatards had plenty of practice by replacing real Jesus with GOP Jesus.
 
2013-01-05 01:55:52 PM  
It will never happen. Republicans want it put in a deal so they can find another reason to balk at voting for it, but try to get the Dems to vote yes. And then they'll run ads about how Obama and the Dems voted to cut SSI checks to save money for special interests despite the fact that it was a republican plan in the first place.
 
2013-01-05 01:57:06 PM  

GAT_00: We did go over the cliff, we guaranteed that we have to do this now with cuts since Biden kicked the can down the road, and he failed to meet his promise to raise taxes on incomes above $250k.


He could come down as Jesus Christ himself and you'd complain that he has holes in the wrong part of his hands.

And yes he did raise taxes on incomes above $250k. $450k is above $250k. And I suppose you're pissed off that it made the tax code the most progressive it's been since 1979, aren't you.
 
2013-01-05 01:58:27 PM  

coeyagi: Also, there were always going to be cuts. Did you think it was all revenue?


My problem isn't that the cuts happened.  It's that Biden guaranteed that the GOP was going to tack them onto the debt ceiling by having the cuts due for renewal when the debt ceiling would have to be raised.  It was incredibly stupid.
 
2013-01-05 01:59:09 PM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-05 01:59:45 PM  
What happened to you Lindsey? You used to be such a nice lady.
 
2013-01-05 01:59:57 PM  

GAT_00: coeyagi: Also, there were always going to be cuts. Did you think it was all revenue?

My problem isn't that the cuts happened.  It's that Biden guaranteed that the GOP was going to tack them onto the debt ceiling by having the cuts due for renewal when the debt ceiling would have to be raised.  It was incredibly stupid.


That fight was going to happen anyway, so it's not like anything really changed.
 
2013-01-05 02:00:51 PM  

GAT_00: .  It's that Biden guaranteed that the GOP was going to tack them onto the debt ceiling by having the cuts due for renewal when the debt ceiling would have to be raised.  It was incredibly stupid


So your problem is that the cuts which were going to happen anyway, are going to happen anyway.
 
2013-01-05 02:01:55 PM  
This makes no sense. The granny-starvers are trying to go after their own voters.
 
2013-01-05 02:03:41 PM  

stoli n coke: Republicans don't care what Reagan actually said or did. They worship the image of him they've burned into their minds. All they need to know is he was a cowboy hero who talked tough to the Commies when the USSR was on its last legs.


Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution Ronald Reagan To Be
 
2013-01-05 02:06:18 PM  
Isn't this person related to the preacher, Billy Graham?
 
2013-01-05 02:13:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GAT_00: .  It's that Biden guaranteed that the GOP was going to tack them onto the debt ceiling by having the cuts due for renewal when the debt ceiling would have to be raised.  It was incredibly stupid

So your problem is that the cuts which were going to happen anyway, are going to happen anyway.


My problem is that Biden gave them a bigger gun to hold the country hostage with.
 
2013-01-05 02:14:07 PM  
Republicans have won the narrative on the debt, both ways. Cheney and Reagan proved that deficits don't matter until the opposition party is in control. They have been able to run up the bill and then stand there aghast at how high the total turned out to be. Then, marvelously, we engage them in a dialogue to cut social spending instead of the giant defense elephant in the room. Incredible.

The average American thinks that the United States Of America should be run exactly like the household budget. Turn that around and you've silenced the Tea Party. Whatever. I need coffee.
 
2013-01-05 02:18:51 PM  
This just in: Things are very different, particularly in terms of debt and what is driving it, than they were in the 80s.

But maybe we should just listen to Obama on the debt ceiling issue.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. -- Barack Obama, 2006

I can only Hope to figure out what Changed his mind.
 
2013-01-05 02:19:25 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Republicans have won the narrative on the debt, both ways.


This. No matter what happens, Democrats will probably agree to cut SS/Medicare. Maybe not during the debt ceiling stuff, but yeah.
 
2013-01-05 02:20:31 PM  
And, of course, when Reagan said that, the debt was approx 30% of GDP and right now it's 60% of GDP. The possibility exists that Reagan might have a different opinion in 2012 America.
 
2013-01-05 02:20:50 PM  
randomjsa: out of context quote

I'll entertain not raising the debt ceiling when Congress stops passing budgets/continuing resolutions that aren't balanced.
 
2013-01-05 02:22:34 PM  

SunsetLament: And, of course, when Reagan said that, the debt was approx 30% of GDP and right now it's 60% of GDP. The possibility exists that Reagan might have a different opinion in 2012 America.


Oops, let me correct that ... right now the debt is 99% of GDP.

/We are farked.
 
2013-01-05 02:25:07 PM  

SunsetLament: And, of course, when Reagan said that, the debt was approx 30% of GDP and right now it's 60% of GDP. The possibility exists that Reagan might have a different opinion in 2012 America.


Yeah, he'd tell the Tea Party to get off the damn pot and compromise with the Democrats on increasing taxes and raising the debt ceiling like he did back in the 80's.

That wasn't what you meant?
 
2013-01-05 02:25:11 PM  
Fiscal cliff lesson #2:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-05 02:26:10 PM  

Deneb81: It will never happen. Republicans want it put in a deal so they can find another reason to balk at voting for it, but try to get the Dems to vote yes. And then they'll run ads about how Obama and the Dems voted to cut SSI checks to save money for special interests despite the fact that it was a republican plan in the first place.


In another 5 years the GOP can blame Obama for the war he started in Iraq. 99% of Republicans will believe it as fact.
 
2013-01-05 02:26:37 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fiscal cliff lesson #2:

[i.imgur.com image 640x326]


Be careful now, you'll get the "fiscal conservatives" upset when you call them out on their phony concern.
 
2013-01-05 02:26:54 PM  

randomjsa: This just in: Things are very different, particularly in terms of debt and what is driving it, than they were in the 80s.

But maybe we should just listen to Obama on the debt ceiling issue.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. -- Barack Obama, 2006

I can only Hope to figure out what Changed his mind.


So now debt is bad if the wrong things are driving it? I'm sure the list of wrong debt causes looks a lot like that list of things the republicans blame for destroying America.
 
2013-01-05 02:29:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: SunsetLament: And, of course, when Reagan said that, the debt was approx 30% of GDP and right now it's 60% of GDP. The possibility exists that Reagan might have a different opinion in 2012 America.

Yeah, he'd tell the Tea Party to get off the damn pot and compromise with the Democrats on increasing taxes and raising the debt ceiling like he did back in the 80's.

That wasn't what you meant?


Nope, since we actually knew what he thought when he left office: LINK

"On Dec. 13, 1988, Reagan gave a speech to a group of his political appointees. He told them he believed that in the "Washington colony," as he called it, there was an "iron triangle" working to expand government beyond its constitutional limits and, in the process, drive up deficit spending.

"It sometimes seems to many Americans that what might be called a 'triangle of institutions' -- parts of Congress, the media and special interest groups -- is transforming and placing out of focus our constitutional balance, particularly in the areas of spending and foreign policy," Reagan said. "Some have used the term 'iron triangle' to describe something like what I'm talking about. And with apologies to them, I'll borrow that term."

Reagan predicted Americans would rise up against this "iron triangle" and take their government back."

/In context quotes = Kryptonite to a liberal
 
2013-01-05 02:30:25 PM  
Ok. Let's put Social Security on the table. Here's a start:

- Remove the cap so all income is taxed for SS
- Tax dividends and capital gaine for SS
- Cap annual benefits at 3x the median national income
- For SS, cpi and cola adjustments include food and energy
 
2013-01-05 02:33:21 PM  

Granny_Panties: In another 5 years the GOP can blame Obama for the war he started in Iraq. 99% of Republicans will believe it as fact.


They already have... Republican senators (SENATORS) have blamed him for Iraq and Afghanistan. I've heard Republicans in real life blame him for Medicare Part D (WTF?), VA being horrible...
 
2013-01-05 02:33:26 PM  

randomjsa: This just in: Things are very different, particularly in terms of debt and what is driving it, than they were in the 80s.

But maybe we should just listen to Obama on the debt ceiling issue.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. -- Barack Obama, 2006

I can only Hope to figure out what Changed his mind.


Hmmm 2006? Bush had two wars going off the books and had also massively just given away money to the richest in the nation.

America did have a solvable debt problem and a failure of leadership at that time and Obama was correct to point it out.

This just in. The debt ceiling bill is an archaic thing that would be a pro forma rubber stamp auto-yes vote in any other industrial nation in the world but the US. In fact, it was for years and years and years until the teatards came on the scene, financed and given their marching order/ talking points by the very same people who benefited during the bad BushCo years.

One of those long standing talking points/marching orders, of course, being bringing up Obama's words in 2006 without context whenever the debt ceiling debacle is being discussed and then acting like you somehow actually made a point there.

*blink*

/Ya knew all that, right?
 
2013-01-05 02:39:10 PM  
Lindsey Graham is really making a name for himself as a posturing a-hole.
 
2013-01-05 02:39:46 PM  

SunsetLament: Mrtraveler01: SunsetLament: And, of course, when Reagan said that, the debt was approx 30% of GDP and right now it's 60% of GDP. The possibility exists that Reagan might have a different opinion in 2012 America.

Yeah, he'd tell the Tea Party to get off the damn pot and compromise with the Democrats on increasing taxes and raising the debt ceiling like he did back in the 80's.

That wasn't what you meant?

Nope, since we actually knew what he thought when he left office: LINK

"On Dec. 13, 1988, Reagan gave a speech to a group of his political appointees. He told them he believed that in the "Washington colony," as he called it, there was an "iron triangle" working to expand government beyond its constitutional limits and, in the process, drive up deficit spending.

"It sometimes seems to many Americans that what might be called a 'triangle of institutions' -- parts of Congress, the media and special interest groups -- is transforming and placing out of focus our constitutional balance, particularly in the areas of spending and foreign policy," Reagan said. "Some have used the term 'iron triangle' to describe something like what I'm talking about. And with apologies to them, I'll borrow that term."

Reagan predicted Americans would rise up against this "iron triangle" and take their government back."

/In context quotes = Kryptonite to a liberal


So that's why he increase taxes and actually worked with Democrats during his presidency!

BTW: It's hilarious to see "Townhall" and "in context" in a post like that. 10/10
 
2013-01-05 02:45:52 PM  

randomjsa: This just in: Things are very different, particularly in terms of debt and what is driving it, than they were in the 80s.

But maybe we should just listen to Obama on the debt ceiling issue.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. -- Barack Obama, 2006

I can only Hope to figure out what Changed his mind.


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