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2013-01-05 03:17:28 PM

GAT_00: You think they can't manage to operate a spreadsheet without outsourcing it to someone else.


McDonalds can put everything into their central dbs and distribute it at pennies on the dollar while single place can't count on the volume discount, and McDonalds won't need to pay any of their employees a decent wage.
 
2013-01-05 03:18:24 PM

GAT_00: R.A.Danny: GAT_00: If they are that close to the red, they are unlikely to survive the next equipment failure anyway.

Screw 'em. Pizza Hut can always pick up those jobs.

If operating a pre-set spreadsheet is too much for a business, how successful exactly do you think this business is?  How many jobs do you think they're creating?  What exactly do you think the lifespan of it is?


Just long enough for a bought and sold lawmaker to put another dagger in them.
 
2013-01-05 03:18:51 PM
I feel sorry for anyone who lives in an area where they have to eat Pizza from a chain restaurant.
 
2013-01-05 03:19:03 PM
Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?
 
2013-01-05 03:21:03 PM

R.A.Danny: GAT_00: R.A.Danny: GAT_00: If they are that close to the red, they are unlikely to survive the next equipment failure anyway.

Screw 'em. Pizza Hut can always pick up those jobs.

If operating a pre-set spreadsheet is too much for a business, how successful exactly do you think this business is?  How many jobs do you think they're creating?  What exactly do you think the lifespan of it is?

Just long enough for a bought and sold lawmaker to put another dagger in them.


And what's stopping that from happening already?
 
2013-01-05 03:21:08 PM
users.content.ytmnd.com
 
2013-01-05 03:21:14 PM

GAT_00: Pizzas are made with set ingredients, the nutritional information of which can be easily determined. Even made to order, you know that when someone orders a pepperoni pizza, you are going to use say 4 ounces of pepperoni on that pizza. They order double, it's 8 ounces. It's not difficult.


FTA:
"With 34 million ways to make a pizza, it makes no common sense to require this industry-which already discloses calories voluntarily, for the most part-to attempt to cram this information on menu boards in small storefronts,"

/when I'm ordering a pizza, I'm not really worried about the caloric difference between sausage or Canadian bacon
//gimme both
///not fat
 
2013-01-05 03:21:21 PM

SuburbanCowboy: I feel sorry for anyone who lives in an area where they have to eat Pizza from a chain restaurant.


Hell yeah this.

Entrepreneurs in the food services put a hell of a lot of time in already. The upside can be pretty lucrative, but adding just another few minutes here, another few minutes there on someone working 14 hour days while a chain can count on it's bulk to take care of stuff is anti competitive.
 
2013-01-05 03:21:59 PM

GAT_00: And what's stopping that from happening already?


People with better taste in dining than you.
 
2013-01-05 03:22:41 PM
Holy shiat, just publish general caloric content for each ingredient and call it a day.
 
2013-01-05 03:22:44 PM

Gulper Eel: Clearly the flaw with this regulation is that it does not also mandate that calorie counts show up on the (also mandated) video screen on all telephones, both cellular and land-line, that are used to transmit orders to pizzerias.

Why do you oppose common-sense ideas such as this? How's about you see what it's like in Somalia if you don't like this idea?


The author of the article actually argues something like this would be better.
 
2013-01-05 03:23:21 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: St_Francis_P: I can see the ruling may need work

Or repeal.

St_Francis_P: I can see that subby sounds fat.

210. Down from a high of 270 (I'm 6'4").  Did it without this rule and still enjoy pizza as well. Go figure.


So you were obese, but now you're just fat.
 
2013-01-05 03:24:02 PM

Stone Meadow: Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?


No no, that $5 sign is "costly".
 
2013-01-05 03:24:34 PM
FTA: "In Blaer's case, her mother said she learned the name wasn't on the register only after the priest who baptized the child later informed her he had mistakenly allowed it."

Nice to see that religious freedom is now the province of the state. Do they license priests?
 
2013-01-05 03:24:53 PM
Want to be healthy? Don't eat fast food.

Want to be happy? Don't tolerate FAT government.
 
2013-01-05 03:26:12 PM

GAT_00: ArkAngel: GAT_00: ZAZ: Will it be illegal to make pizzas to order because nutritional information has not been calculated?

We already had a newspaper story about a school cutting out a salad bar because it was not possible to measure nutritional information or ration calories in a self-serve environment.

Pizzas are made with set ingredients, the nutritional information of which can be easily determined.  Even made to order, you know that when someone orders a pepperoni pizza, you are going to use say 4 ounces of pepperoni on that pizza.  They order double, it's 8 ounces.  It's not difficult.

What they're saying is that it's impossible to list the nutritional information for every single possible pizza, as the law requires. And while ingredients may be used in the approximate same amount for all, it's not set, as most are made purely by hand without scoops

Sure it is.  A label generator, Excel software, easy.  You can use Open Office, so no cost there.  Hell, you don't need the label generator, just Excel and print the results when you've tallied everything in the spreadsheet and tape it to the farking box.  That's what, a minute of work, maybe?


I believe they also have to have it posted in the store. For all combinations. On the wall.
 
2013-01-05 03:26:24 PM
Oh, sorry, wrong thread - I only each frozen - want to make sure everything on it is dead.
 
2013-01-05 03:27:03 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: GAT_00: Pizzas are made with set ingredients, the nutritional information of which can be easily determined. Even made to order, you know that when someone orders a pepperoni pizza, you are going to use say 4 ounces of pepperoni on that pizza. They order double, it's 8 ounces. It's not difficult.

FTA:
"With 34 million ways to make a pizza, it makes no common sense to require this industry-which already discloses calories voluntarily, for the most part-to attempt to cram this information on menu boards in small storefronts,"

/when I'm ordering a pizza, I'm not really worried about the caloric difference between sausage or Canadian bacon
//gimme both
///not fat


If you know the nutritional information of all the ingredients you keep on hand, how hard is it to add numbers?

R.A.Danny: GAT_00: And what's stopping that from happening already?

People with better taste in dining than you.


And there's where you denigrate to personal attacks because you can't explain why the use of a spreadsheet kills a business.
 
2013-01-05 03:28:11 PM

CujoQuarrel: I believe they also have to have it posted in the store. For all combinations. On the wall.


So post the counts of your standard items and the counts of each individual item you can add.
 
2013-01-05 03:28:40 PM

violentsalvation: [i798.photobucket.com image 500x318]
Pizza warriors, fight back!



I actually had this toy, and the turtle van with the cool spring loaded door that would give a good whack to whatever you put in its path.
 
2013-01-05 03:28:47 PM

Rufus Lee King: I have always felt that groups of black youths should be allowed to murder white pizza delivery guys, because of oppression, and all that.



That's obvious.

The question is whether these youths should have access to accurate information on the caloric content of the pizzas they steal.

"Do we eat the pizza, or just toss it and buy drugs with the money?"
 
2013-01-05 03:29:29 PM

Stone Meadow: Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?


Given the thousands or millions of different combinations of ingredients on a pizza, how large do you want this sign to be?
 
2013-01-05 03:29:32 PM
Step 1: Only sell large peperoni pizzas so you only have to give the calorie counts for one pizza.
Step 2: Write on all of your menus that Obama forced you to sell only large peperoni pizzas
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit
 
2013-01-05 03:29:38 PM
List all 34 million ways, in .pdf fornat
 
2013-01-05 03:29:52 PM
The DERP is strong in this one.

Forget about this useless krap and concentrate on finding out why beef has quadrupled in price since the late 70's, why chicken has tripled and why did it take years to force margarine companies to disclose that their no cholesterol versions actually created cholesterol when consumed.

Don't f**k with my Pizza! It's almost always fattening, usually contains the same amount of cholesterol as a Hungry Man's Big Breakfast (meaning enough to grease a battleship) and enough cheese to make the Dairy Industry rich, but it's delicious and I like it!

Besides, I'm smart enough to not eat the wonderful concoction every day.

Unfortunately, no one seems to notice that the assorted microwave breakfasts have enough fats, cholesterol, salts and sugars in them to last a construction worker for a week and those are pushed for daily consumption.

You're better off making your own bacon and eggs with hash browns at home. It's actually healthier.

I'd also like to remind you that during the last big 'unhealthy food' scare, various fats were attacked, which were then removed from assorted things like sausages, including processed meats, like Baloney. Especially Lebanon Baloney. To continue to make their products tasty enough for the fickle public, manufacturers replaced the fats with corn sugar.

Soon after, the cost of corn sugar nearly doubled and that increased the cost of the meats. Why did corn sugar go up? Because morons in congress approved grabbing around 1/3 of the corn crop to make ethanol fuel -- ignoring the fact that it can be made from nearly anything that grows.

Adding sugars to processed meats is so much healthier. Usually, when you do that, you need to increase the amount of salt added also.

Leave my olive oil drenched pizza alone! (Olive oil, BTW, is very healthy.)
 
2013-01-05 03:31:02 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Stone Meadow: Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?

No no, that $5 sign is "costly".


I have a friend that is a stay at home mom. She makes cookies, they are awesome. She makes a few bucks on the side while her kids are in school, and it is an honorable free enterprise business. High quality merchandise made in limited (she only has so much time) quantities.  This WILL cost her money, it will cut into a middle class families income, along with all the other "tiny" cuts to her income that keep coming in. Yes, the small business is absolutely dying the death of a thousand cuts, while huge corporate food service company, run by the 1% are picking up the slack with no worry about the time because those costs are distributed to the point of being negligible. This is the selling of the American dream and it is disgusting.
 
2013-01-05 03:31:46 PM
Now I just want some farking pizza.
 
2013-01-05 03:33:00 PM
You have a menu posted already, just put some got damned numbers after it.  It's not freaking rocket science, and yes they can get away with ranges (fast food places do it based on the sides you get with your Lardburger Supreme example 400-800 calories).  The only reason this information is scary to post is because, well it's scary when you think about  what you're throwing down your piehole.

 Before 1990 food labels didn't even have to list the basic nutitional info and frankly, I'm thankful for the change.
 
2013-01-05 03:33:02 PM

GAT_00: If you know the nutritional information of all the ingredients you keep on hand, how hard is it to add numbers?


It's not hard.
The question is, what would this regulation require?

xx calories per slice per ingredient? Not that hard.
xx calories per slice? Zillions of combinations.
 
2013-01-05 03:34:03 PM
If these laws stop my health insurance from increasing I am all for them.

/pizzeria owners can adapt or die
 
2013-01-05 03:34:28 PM

GAT_00: And there's where you denigrate to personal attacks because you can't explain why the use of a spreadsheet kills a business.


No, you're saying that quality can go to crap because small businesses are limited.
 
2013-01-05 03:35:03 PM

ZAZ: Will it be illegal to make pizzas to order because nutritional information has not been calculated?

We already had a newspaper story about a school cutting out a salad bar because it was not possible to measure nutritional information or ration calories in a self-serve environment.


Animal nutritionists have been doing this on computers since the early '70s: An ingredient matrix (table), input nutrient levels desired, push button, voila!.Alternatively, put in ingredient amounts, calculate nutrient composition.

/still have programs (several) on home computer though retired a long time.
//Never use them - don't want to know what's in my pizza, just want a beer to go with it.
///When my pants get tight, I scale back my diet.
 
2013-01-05 03:35:51 PM
The article didn't specify (or I didn't see) how exact the labeling had to be. I would understand the whining if the labels had to be accurate down to the last calorie, but given a reasonable margin of error, the would be little or no extra cost to businesses, just 5 minutes of their time at the end of a day. For custom made pizzas, just have a list of the ingredients on the wall and let the customers figure it out. It's not that hard, really, you only need a guy like GAT_00 and a magic adding machine to make the lists in the first place.
 
2013-01-05 03:36:02 PM

Rik01: The DERP is strong in this one.

Forget about this useless krap and concentrate on finding out why beef has quadrupled in price since the late 70's, why chicken has tripled and

www.world-ostrich.org
greenecon.net
cfp-24-7.com


I think that about covers it.
 
2013-01-05 03:36:16 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: xx calories per slice per ingredient? Not that hard.
xx calories per slice? Zillions of combinations.


Then add a few more homemade items, change your menu periodically, come up with new recipes, start offering house made desserts. Every improvement is stifled along the way. Money is taken away from families. While Taco Bell isn't paying families crap to begin with.
 
2013-01-05 03:36:36 PM

CujoQuarrel: GAT_00: ArkAngel: GAT_00: ZAZ: Will it be illegal to make pizzas to order because nutritional information has not been calculated?

We already had a newspaper story about a school cutting out a salad bar because it was not possible to measure nutritional information or ration calories in a self-serve environment.

Pizzas are made with set ingredients, the nutritional information of which can be easily determined.  Even made to order, you know that when someone orders a pepperoni pizza, you are going to use say 4 ounces of pepperoni on that pizza.  They order double, it's 8 ounces.  It's not difficult.

What they're saying is that it's impossible to list the nutritional information for every single possible pizza, as the law requires. And while ingredients may be used in the approximate same amount for all, it's not set, as most are made purely by hand without scoops

Sure it is.  A label generator, Excel software, easy.  You can use Open Office, so no cost there.  Hell, you don't need the label generator, just Excel and print the results when you've tallied everything in the spreadsheet and tape it to the farking box.  That's what, a minute of work, maybe?

I believe they also have to have it posted in the store. For all combinations. On the wall.


From http://www.fda.gov/Food/LabelingNutrit ion/ucm248732.htm:

"Calories would be disclosed on all menus and menu boards, including menu boards at drive-through locations. The term "Calories" or "Cal" would be required to be posted on menus and menu boards next to the number of calories.
Calorie information would be displayed clearly and prominently.
Calories for variable menu items, such as combination meals, would be displayed in ranges. An example of a combination meal could be a choice of sandwich, side dish and beverage.
For foods on display, calories would be listed per item or per serving on a sign next to the food.
For self-service foods, such as a salad bar in a restaurant, calories also would be listed per serving or per item on a sign next to the food."

So yeah, I doubt printing out a spreadsheet and taping it to a menu board behind the counter will work.
 
2013-01-05 03:37:11 PM

R.A.Danny: GAT_00: And there's where you denigrate to personal attacks because you can't explain why the use of a spreadsheet kills a business.

No, you're saying that quality can go to crap because small businesses are limited.


And now we bring out the strawmen in a pathetic attempt to change the topic because you can't win this one.
 
2013-01-05 03:37:39 PM
First They Came For My Soda, Then They Came For My Pizza
 
2013-01-05 03:39:25 PM
And this is probably all because someone ate fast food for breakfast, lunch, second lunch, pre dinner, dinner and supper, not knowing why they were having heart attacks every second thursday and could have really used all this info before both of their feet were amputated.

People that stupid are supposed to be the ones who die. We don't really need to protect people from themselves. We are going to have enough of a struggle with the limited amount of resources left on this planet as it is ...we don't need to carry more people with us into the future.
 
2013-01-05 03:39:26 PM

R.A.Danny: HotWingConspiracy: Stone Meadow: Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?

No no, that $5 sign is "costly".

I have a friend that is a stay at home mom. She makes cookies, they are awesome. She makes a few bucks on the side while her kids are in school, and it is an honorable free enterprise business. High quality merchandise made in limited (she only has so much time) quantities.  This WILL cost her money, it will cut into a middle class families income, along with all the other "tiny" cuts to her income that keep coming in. Yes, the small business is absolutely dying the death of a thousand cuts, while huge corporate food service company, run by the 1% are picking up the slack with no worry about the time because those costs are distributed to the point of being negligible. This is the selling of the American dream and it is disgusting.


So we should remove all regulations and forgo access to information about the food we purchase. It will maximize profit and preserve the American dream.

It doesn't really sound like she's competing on price with the conglomerates, the draw for her product is homemade and high quality. She can adjust pricing accordingly to comply with new reporting rules favored by the American public.
 
2013-01-05 03:39:50 PM
What I was seeking and didn't find in TFA is a clear statement on the rules that would require not just a table of calorie counts for each topping by pizza size, but instead a $5000 poster that would encompass all of the millions of combinations. All the chains use computerized registers as well as the biggest ones having Internet and even specific-app-driven ordering that could calculate calories/slice easily on any order. The real question then, as the former Domino's CEO and all around loudmouth tool said, is the in-store signage.

So what's the actual rule? Can they just tabulate information for each topping or not?
 
2013-01-05 03:41:37 PM

R.A.Danny: HotWingConspiracy: Stone Meadow: Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?

No no, that $5 sign is "costly".

I have a friend that is a stay at home mom. She makes cookies, they are awesome. She makes a few bucks on the side while her kids are in school, and it is an honorable free enterprise business. High quality merchandise made in limited (she only has so much time) quantities.  This WILL cost her money, it will cut into a middle class families income, along with all the other "tiny" cuts to her income that keep coming in. Yes, the small business is absolutely dying the death of a thousand cuts, while huge corporate food service company, run by the 1% are picking up the slack with no worry about the time because those costs are distributed to the point of being negligible. This is the selling of the American dream and it is disgusting.


There are exemptions made differing a cottage food business from a retail outlet.
 
2013-01-05 03:43:10 PM
ghey.
 
2013-01-05 03:43:35 PM

R.A.Danny: HotWingConspiracy: Stone Meadow: Jeebus, how hard can this be?

Step 1: Make poster with nutritional data on it (like Micky-Dees does)
Step 2: Hang on wall (ditto)
Step 3: Profit

Questions?

No no, that $5 sign is "costly".

I have a friend that is a stay at home mom. She makes cookies, they are awesome. She makes a few bucks on the side while her kids are in school, and it is an honorable free enterprise business. High quality merchandise made in limited (she only has so much time) quantities.  This WILL cost her money, it will cut into a middle class families income, along with all the other "tiny" cuts to her income that keep coming in. Yes, the small business is absolutely dying the death of a thousand cuts, while huge corporate food service company, run by the 1% are picking up the slack with no worry about the time because those costs are distributed to the point of being negligible. This is the selling of the American dream and it is disgusting.


Food labelling rules

Unless she's operating 20 chains out of her home, you can continue to stuff your fat farking piehole with her cookies all you want.
 
2013-01-05 03:43:39 PM
Giltric:

People that stupid are supposed to be the ones who die. We don't really need to protect people from themselves. We are going to have enough of a struggle with the limited amount of resources left on this planet as it is ...we don't need to carry more people with us into the future.

For an economy to grow it needs more consumers.  Besides, if these people die it will hurt fast food and health care jobs.
 
2013-01-05 03:43:46 PM
For Christ sake. Can we please just split this country in two, the USA and the USSA.
 
2013-01-05 03:47:35 PM
OK, here's the sign:

A single slice of pizza is between 150 and 500 calories, depending on toppings.


Prominently displayed online and in the store.
/satisfied?
 
2013-01-05 03:48:50 PM
Yes. Labeling food will stop people from eating it.

Just like telling smokers that it will give them cancer made everyone stop smoking.
 
2013-01-05 03:50:19 PM

fluffy2097: Yes. Labeling food will stop people from eating it.

Just like telling smokers that it will give them cancer made everyone stop smoking.


Obviously smoking hasn't declined in the last 30 years.
 
2013-01-05 03:50:38 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: duffblue: You guys really don't question anything, do you?

The question authority generation has given way to the do as your told it's for the good of society generation.


Ah then you mean by Generation Whiny Ass Cry Babies. By that I mean Generation Y.
 
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