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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Good: The normally rubber-stamp Chicago City Council may have actually grown a backbone and is rebelling against Mayor Emanuel for the very first time. Bad: They're preparing to vote down sweeping new ethics and corruption-fighting reforms   (suntimes.com) divider line 33
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2013-01-05 12:20:53 PM
This is what the average Illinoisan thinks about when he or she thinks about liberal Democrats. I know it isn't the same everywhere, but people legally carrying firearms calling for gun control, raising taxes and giving themselves private expense accounts and even redefining the word bribe to be over a certain dollar amount causes people to lose faith. Of course we have both Democrat and GOP governors in prison now, maybe we should just burn the state down.
 
2013-01-05 12:22:06 PM
Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.
 
2013-01-05 12:22:48 PM

JolobinSmokin: Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still steal your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.


/ftfm. Baby brain
 
2013-01-05 12:29:38 PM

JolobinSmokin: Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.


Bob Irsay was governor of Oklahoma?
 
2013-01-05 12:32:06 PM

R.A.Danny: maybe we should just burn the state down.


Just the politicians. I really like Illinois outside of the politics.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:37 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Just the politicians. I really like Illinois outside of the politics.


doesn't the local police like to pull over out of state drivers, use cue'd drug sniffing dogs to falsely claim there's drugs in their car, then confiscate all their cash etc?
 
2013-01-05 12:41:58 PM

not5am: doesn't the local police like to pull over out of state drivers, use cue'd drug sniffing dogs to falsely claim there's drugs in their car, then confiscate all their cash etc?


Yeah, and then they're all like, "Hey man, I'm going to have to ticket you for a busted head light." And then you're all, "But my head light isn't busted." And then he busts your head light with his baton and he's all, "Yeah it is."
 
2013-01-05 12:45:22 PM

rcantley: Yeah, and then they're all like, "Hey man, I'm going to have to ticket you for a busted head light." And then you're all, "But my head light isn't busted." And then he busts your head light with his baton and he's all, "Yeah it is."


this was posted on the main page before.
 
2013-01-05 12:59:50 PM
Wait, Rahm Emmanuel is calling for an end to corruption!?
 
2013-01-05 01:03:05 PM

not5am: HMS_Blinkin: Just the politicians. I really like Illinois outside of the politics.

doesn't the local police like to pull over out of state drivers, use cue'd drug sniffing dogs to falsely claim there's drugs in their car, then confiscate all their cash etc?


Forfeiture laws have lead to police forces across the country doing this en masse, some of whom now have annual budgets that are 10 times what they should be and dependent on just this sort of nonsense.

On known drug trafficking routes, they let the drugs go past and snag the cash on the way back down.

They also do this with property. "Hey - there's a marijuana seed on the floorboard of your truck parked in the driveway - we're confiscating the house and your land."

Happens. Every. Day.

And, unlike all other cases, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that they money seized is legit, vs. on them to prove it's drug money, etc.
 
2013-01-05 01:14:41 PM
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THAT'S the Chicago Way!
 
2013-01-05 01:17:49 PM
Chicago, the city where the nephew of the mayor can beat a person to death in cold blood and have the police report changed to make it self-defense.
 
2013-01-05 01:23:40 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: "Hey - there's we think there might be a marijuana seed on the floorboard of your truck parked in the driveway, or there might have been at some point in history after the truck rolled off the assembly line, or there's a non-zero chance it may happen at some point in the future - we're confiscating the house and your land."


Don't they also do this number from time to time?

/can they?
//pretty sure the law is written so that they can
 
2013-01-05 01:29:22 PM

R.A.Danny: This is what the average Illinoisan thinks about when he or she thinks about liberal Democrats.


The level of political and business corruption in Chicago and NW Indiana is unbelievable, i grew up there. Not in the biatchy, whiny, woe as me, 'an honest person can't make it round here'-disappointing way . . . More like, "What do you mean it's corrupt and illegal for my friend in government to award my non-existent company a half-million dollar no-bid contract?! They're my FRIEND, brukmann." It's so corrupt people are desensitized to gross theft of public dollars.

That having been said, your assertion of what the "average" Illinoisan thinks is a bit like if one said the average American thought bad things about Reagan going into his re-election. They either don't know, don't care, or can't see an alternative; it's clearly not in the average person's thoughts.
 
2013-01-05 01:30:04 PM

JolobinSmokin: JolobinSmokin: Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still steal your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.

/ftfm. Baby brain


It doesn't particularly surprise me that the Oklahoma Capitol building is an RV.
 
2013-01-05 01:42:54 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: JolobinSmokin: JolobinSmokin: Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still steal your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.

/ftfm. Baby brain

It doesn't particularly surprise me that the Oklahoma Capitol building is an RV.


No an RV, but we didn't have a done until. Few years ago, but we do have two active oil wells on the front lawn.
 
2013-01-05 02:35:43 PM

brukmann: It's so corrupt people are desensitized to gross theft of public dollars.


When they started reading the laundry list of charges against Blagojevitch, most Illinoisans were like "You mean you can't do that?!?!?!"
 
2013-01-05 02:40:16 PM
R.A.Danny
Of course we have both Democrat and GOP governors in prison now, maybe we should just burn the state down.

"The state" isn't the problem - we are. The electorate, people charged with keeping a reign on democracy. We're unwilling, and truth be told largely incapable, of doing our jobs.

We need to start looking into the causes - why aren't we able to make good decisions about who to elect? Why aren't we better informed about important issues? Why aren't we more capable of thinking rationally and clearly about these issues, even as our ability to think rationally and clearly about producing more widgets climbs ever higher?
 
2013-01-05 02:40:24 PM
The surprise assessment from Ald. Pat O'Connor...

[quizzicaldog]

Aldermen putting pressure on Rahm to not allow anonymous complaints to trigger investigations into their lives is by no stretch of anyone's imagination any kind of surprise.

Yeesh.
 
2013-01-05 02:49:12 PM

mrexcess: We need to start looking into the causes


Racism. Both sides. A felon on his way to prison gets elected over a white guy while the ivory tower Rahm guys completely forget about the needs of the South side, spending billions on frivolous crap while there are almost zero job training initiatives being funded. The race issue in the city is so polarized that people in Lincoln park can pretty much brag about being in one of the safest places in the country while the city as a whole leads the nation in murder (did Detroit just pass us?).
 
2013-01-05 02:49:38 PM
I lost my faith in Chicago when Daley sold the parking meters to a private company. Of course Rahm is supposedly trying to get out of the contract, but that only gets him +1 point against his -10000000 points he has for all of the bad/corrupt things he's done or is trying to do since being in office. I'm so glad I don't live there anymore.
 
2013-01-05 02:50:27 PM

PillsHere: I lost my faith in Chicago when Daley sold the parking meters to a private company. Of course Rahm is supposedly trying to get out of the contract, but that only gets him +1 point against his -10000000 points he has for all of the bad/corrupt things he's done or is trying to do since being in office. I'm so glad I don't live there anymore.


And this is just one example of how corruption is costing BILLIONS. One city, billions of dollars lost.
 
2013-01-05 02:55:04 PM

King Something: Oh_Enough_Already: "Hey - there's we think there might be a marijuana seed on the floorboard of your truck parked in the driveway, or there might have been at some point in history after the truck rolled off the assembly line, or there's a non-zero chance it may happen at some point in the future - we're confiscating the house and your land."

Don't they also do this number from time to time?

/can they?
//pretty sure the law is written so that they can


I think they technically need a 'reasonable, articulable suspicion' the property was used in or financed by drug sales, but that's still a pretty broad standard.
 
2013-01-05 02:55:57 PM

JolobinSmokin: Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.


http://m.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-1-157x.html

Meigs Field, never forget.

/on mobile, so can't directly link
//another person who just couldn't take Chicago anymore
 
2013-01-05 04:32:49 PM

R.A.Danny: PillsHere: I lost my faith in Chicago when Daley sold the parking meters to a private company. Of course Rahm is supposedly trying to get out of the contract, but that only gets him +1 point against his -10000000 points he has for all of the bad/corrupt things he's done or is trying to do since being in office. I'm so glad I don't live there anymore.

And this is just one example of how corruption is costing BILLIONS. One city, billions of dollars lost.


And the parking meter company just bought the 2013 Illinois law that says the handicapped can park for free at metred spaces only if they prove they can't drag their sorry azzes to the box to pay.
 
2013-01-05 05:18:53 PM

theteacher: Wait, Rahm Emmanuel is calling for an end to corruption!?




Yes. He's not a redneck hayseed Republican from a slave state, you know.
 
2013-01-05 05:25:43 PM

ytterbium: JolobinSmokin: Still not as bad as Oklahoma,

Call me when you still your state Capitol away to a different city in the middle of the night.

http://m.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-1-157x.html

Meigs Field, never forget.

/on mobile, so can't directly link
//another person who just couldn't take Chicago anymore


Meh, the Meigs Field thing was pretty much nothing, except for a bunch of whiny millionaires who now have to ride in the back of their limos on the expressway to get to their corporate headquarters. The amount fo air traffic that went through that "airport" was pretty much nothing.
 
2013-01-05 05:38:00 PM
R.A.Danny
Racism. Both sides. A felon on his way to prison gets elected over a white guy while the ivory tower Rahm guys completely forget about the needs of the South side, spending billions on frivolous crap while there are almost zero job training initiatives being funded. The race issue in the city is so polarized that people in Lincoln park can pretty much brag about being in one of the safest places in the country while the city as a whole leads the nation in murder (did Detroit just pass us?).

Can we generalize it out even more than that? The problem isn't racism, per se, it's -ismism. Our votes aren't determined by how good a person does objectively, in fact most of us have no objectivity at all. It's all about team sports, advancing the causes of our group against those who our group competes with. That could be black versus white, men versus women, liberals versus conservatives, pacifists versus warmongers, immigrants versus natives, producers versus consumers... whatever. Almost nobody is just an American anymore, trying earnestly to do the best they can for America as a whole.
 
2013-01-05 05:53:13 PM

mrexcess: The problem isn't racism, per se, it's -ismism.


I'm good with that, but the race one is HIGHLY prevalent in this here "liberal" bastion of Chicago.
Absolutely the least liberal liberals on the planet.
 
2013-01-05 06:33:17 PM

not5am: rcantley: Yeah, and then they're all like, "Hey man, I'm going to have to ticket you for a busted head light." And then you're all, "But my head light isn't busted." And then he busts your head light with his baton and he's all, "Yeah it is."

this was posted on the main page before.


Oh well, if it was posted on fark then it must be true.
 
2013-01-05 06:55:56 PM

xria: Oh well, if it was posted on fark then it must be true.


you're right. it's not like they have a recording of it or interviews with a local defense attorney to corroborate.
 
2013-01-06 11:31:19 AM
R.A.Danny
Absolutely the least liberal liberals on the planet.

That's another discussion entirely. Progressivism/liberalism is virtually non-existent in government. We have a ruling class that looks down at grassroots progressivism, throwing a few bones down to them from atop their high castle walls but in no way faithfully pursuing their interests.

The latest example being: "Oops, election time is coming. Time to pander to the LGBTs and women."
 
2013-01-06 10:26:39 PM

mrexcess: That's another discussion entirely.


I had a chance to vent so I went for it.
 
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