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(The Hollywood Reporter)   The Big Bang Theory is, once again, Thursday night's most-watched comedy, and it shattered two viewership records with its last episode   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 178
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2013-01-05 12:59:05 PM  

chewielouie: Seinfeld, M.A.S.H., All in the Family, etc. . . . all used laugh tracks.


MASH was forced to by the network. The producers didn't want it. The only concession they got was no laugh track in the operating room. So, to get back, they wrote an episode that takes place entirely within the OR.

On DVD, you have the option of watching the show without the laugh track. It's much better, especially the episodes in seasons 3-5, which weren't so silly, and not yet overtly preachy. After watching MASH this way, you can't go back to watching it with the laughs.
 
2013-01-05 12:59:26 PM  

Malacon: There is no Laugh Track for The Big Bang Theory


Yes there is.

It's live, not canned.
 
2013-01-05 01:00:06 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: *searches thread for comment describing The Big Bang Theory as "nerd blackface" *

You're losing your edge, guys.


I was going to add it into one of my posts, but figured I'd leave the honor to someone else.

No one bothered.
 
2013-01-05 01:01:15 PM  

Bloody William: It's a nerd minstrel show.


Probably because doing a documentary style show on nerds would be boring as fark.
 
2013-01-05 01:01:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: I was going to add it into one of my posts, but figured I'd leave the honor to someone else.

No one bothered.


S'all good, Bloody William had that covered.

(I agree with that assessment of the show, by the bye. Not a fan.)
 
2013-01-05 01:02:04 PM  

flaminio: chewielouie: Seinfeld, M.A.S.H., All in the Family, etc. . . . all used laugh tracks.

MASH was forced to by the network. The producers didn't want it. The only concession they got was no laugh track in the operating room. So, to get back, they wrote an episode that takes place entirely within the OR.

On DVD, you have the option of watching the show without the laugh track. It's much better, especially the episodes in seasons 3-5, which weren't so silly, and not yet overtly preachy. After watching MASH this way, you can't go back to watching it with the laughs.


And honestly, I have to wonder if Lear would have done AITF without a laugh track if possible.  Hell, the show was no longer taped in front of a studio audience by, oh, season 6 or 7.
 
2013-01-05 01:02:39 PM  
I don't know why there is such hate for the laughtrack.  How are you supposed to know what's funny without it?
 
2013-01-05 01:02:42 PM  

stoli n coke: Probably because doing a documentary style show on nerds would be boring as fark.


Have you seen The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters? You'd be surprised.
 
2013-01-05 01:04:16 PM  

stoli n coke: Bloody William: It's a nerd minstrel show.

Probably because doing a documentary style show on nerds would be boring as fark.


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Totally.
 
2013-01-05 01:05:10 PM  
Listen. Because of this show millions of people have a better idea of what it's like to be one of us internet/science/gamer/introvert type people. Even if you don't think the show is funny (which I usually do), isn't that an accomplishment in its self? Maybe a few parents will see them playing D&D and realize it's just a game and not witchcraft. Maybe some kids will want to become theoretical physicists. Just because you knew what Schrodinger's cat is about before the show doesn't mean the rest of America did. People are learning and having fun doing it . How can you hate on that?
 
2013-01-05 01:05:38 PM  

Bloody William: It's a nerd minstrel show.


There it is. At least one person has to parrot this absolutely disingenuous comment to seem above it all in every BBT thread. Every farking time. I can tell you were chomping at the bit to be the one for this thread, quickly scrolling through to make sure nobody beat you to it. Kudos, you are a tool. There's. A Beiber thread a little further down you better hurry up so you can be the Weeners the obligatory "Who?"
 
2013-01-05 01:06:12 PM  

Bloody William: It's a nerd minstrel show.


I'm sure that sounded less racist in your head.
 
2013-01-05 01:06:52 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: *searches thread for comment describing The Big Bang Theory as "nerd blackface" *

You're losing your edge, guys.


Three posts up.
 
2013-01-05 01:08:18 PM  

meanmutton: Three posts up.


I was typing, man!

ASTERISKS AND QUOTATION MARKS ARE HARD WORK.
 
2013-01-05 01:09:39 PM  

NeoCortex42: I don't know how much it's helped physics grad students.


It's an admittedly small sample size. But when I was in grad school, if someone said, "And what do you do?" and you replied, "I'm a graduate student in physics," that tended to be the end of the conversation. (After "Oh." or "You must be smart.") It was hard to recover from that, and generally required far more convoluted responses in order to have anything approaching "game." I've been told a few times by current grad students that now a more likely response is, "Oh, like those guys on Big Bang Theory," and then right away you've got something in common (assuming they like the show, which almost everyone seems to). A couple of physics grads have swore to me it got them laid.

Freaking' geek kids have it so easy today. Back in my day, we could hardly get any play, and all the porn came through 14.4k modems, and GET OFF MY LAWN YOU KIDS!!!!
 
2013-01-05 01:10:16 PM  
That show sucks.
 
2013-01-05 01:10:28 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: There is always a laugh track for three camera, studio audience shows.

If a joke falls flat, they'll punch it up with 60-year-old canned laughs. If a scene needs a retake, they'll shoot it after the audience leaves and add in 60-year-old canned laughs. If the audience sucks, they'll punch the laugh track up with 60-year-old canned laughs.


No, they don't.

If the have a live audience and they need to reshoot, they'll use the laugh from the shot they did while the audience was there.

If the audience "sucks" - which rarely if ever happens with a group that large considering all the warm up and prep they get before the shooting starts - they just use good laughs from other shots.

Any manipulation of the laughter usually has more to do with technical reasons (laugh occurs over a cut that's from 2 different takes, so they choose the better laugh for the final edit) or because a scene requires 12 takes to get right and the audience isn't laughing at the joke any more.


Prank Call of Cthulhu: Malacon: There is no Laugh Track for The Big Bang Theory

Yes there is.

It's live, not canned.



Touché.

The point I'm making thought is that it's not fake laughter from decades past. It's genuine audience laughter recorded while the show you're watching at home was being shot.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:33 PM  

PanicMan: Listen. Because of this show millions of people have a better idea of what it's like to be one of us internet/science/gamer/introvert type people. Even if you don't think the show is funny (which I usually do), isn't that an accomplishment in its self? Maybe a few parents will see them playing D&D and realize it's just a game and not witchcraft. Maybe some kids will want to become theoretical physicists. Just because you knew what Schrodinger's cat is about before the show doesn't mean the rest of America did. People are learning and having fun doing it . How can you hate on that?


I disagree. It's doing a disservice by reinforcing the stereotypes that people that enjoy science, video games, or sci-fi are by necessity mal-adjusted outcasts.

Most of my classmates in grad school studying physics enjoyed the geeky interests, but were also able to be just as much into football and drinking.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: "Oh, you must love big Bang Theory, then! I love that show! So are you just like Sheldon? Is that how you guys really act?"


If anyone really acted like Sheldon, they'd be living in the streets. They sure as hell wouldn't have roommates and real friends.

/hate that show
 
2013-01-05 01:12:12 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: flaminio: chewielouie: Seinfeld, M.A.S.H., All in the Family, etc. . . . all used laugh tracks.

MASH was forced to by the network. The producers didn't want it. The only concession they got was no laugh track in the operating room. So, to get back, they wrote an episode that takes place entirely within the OR.

On DVD, you have the option of watching the show without the laugh track. It's much better, especially the episodes in seasons 3-5, which weren't so silly, and not yet overtly preachy. After watching MASH this way, you can't go back to watching it with the laughs.

And honestly, I have to wonder if Lear would have done AITF without a laugh track if possible.  Hell, the show was no longer taped in front of a studio audience by, oh, season 6 or 7.



I think so. The laugh track helped break up any possible uncomfortable silence whenever Archie said something controversial. It helped lighten the mood and establish him as "just set in his ways" instead of just a bigoted asshole.

As for MASH, Alda bypassed the laugh track problem in later seasons by just writing episodes that weren't funny.
 
2013-01-05 01:13:59 PM  

stoli n coke: FirstNationalBastard: flaminio: chewielouie: Seinfeld, M.A.S.H., All in the Family, etc. . . . all used laugh tracks.

MASH was forced to by the network. The producers didn't want it. The only concession they got was no laugh track in the operating room. So, to get back, they wrote an episode that takes place entirely within the OR.

On DVD, you have the option of watching the show without the laugh track. It's much better, especially the episodes in seasons 3-5, which weren't so silly, and not yet overtly preachy. After watching MASH this way, you can't go back to watching it with the laughs.

And honestly, I have to wonder if Lear would have done AITF without a laugh track if possible.  Hell, the show was no longer taped in front of a studio audience by, oh, season 6 or 7.


I think so. The laugh track helped break up any possible uncomfortable silence whenever Archie said something controversial. It helped lighten the mood and establish him as "just set in his ways" instead of just a bigoted asshole.


Yeah, AITF did sort of need the laugh track, because without it, Archie is 100% a horrible person.
 
2013-01-05 01:14:38 PM  
Meh, it is one of the few shows I regularly watch. There aren't many that are worthwhile on network TV anymore; and it is probably the best of all shows on at this point in time.

this

It's an amusing little show, featuring my people (nerds), leaves you feeling good, not depressed or traumatized or annoyed, like so much of the crap on cable and broadcast. Sheldon is The Fonz, Leonard is Ritchie Cunningham, Howard is/was Ralph Malph, and Raj is Potsie. Which I guess makes Wil = Leather Tuscadero (shows up occasionally).

It will go on a little while longer, and ultimately end (gracefully, one hopes), to be seen endlessly in syndication. Such is TV life. Enjoy it in the fullness of its life.
 
2013-01-05 01:15:08 PM  

GAT_00: Well, nobody has ever accused Americans of having good taste in television shows.


And what would be good taste to you? The "whiny biatch super happy hour" from Japan?
 
2013-01-05 01:15:30 PM  

NeoCortex42: I don't know how much it's helped physics grad students. Every first encounter with a person basically goes like this:
"I'm in grad school, working on my PhD in physics."
"Oh, you must love big Bang Theory, then! I love that show! So are you just like Sheldon? Is that how you guys really act?"


Are you upset that people are interested in what you do and want you to tell them about it?
 
2013-01-05 01:16:48 PM  
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2013-01-05 01:17:27 PM  
I have yet to actually want to sit through an entire episode of this show.
 
2013-01-05 01:17:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: BumpInTheNight: Madbassist1: Blues_X: BumpInTheNight: Hand Banana: Blues_X:
Archer was the first thing I thought of as well. If we want to limit it to live-action sitcoms for some reason, I'd add in Arrested Development and Better Off Ted as well. I think comedies that don't need to rely on laughter cues are much stronger. Although a lot of viewers honestly don't get comedy on TV without the cues, which is why shows like those by Chuck Lorre do so well.


I love that. Although I dont disagree ( I LOVE AD, got all of em on dvd), I cant help but point out the FARK stereotype. "The stuff I like is superior to all others, those who dont agree are tasteless cretins"

and...

theflatline: Madbassist1: Flappyhead: Is the "It's not really a nerd show" crew in here yet? Let me get my popcorn.

theflatline: I am am a 43 year old geek, well read, well traveled, and have a bizarre sense of humor.  I have tried but I find the show just awful, and it caters to to psuedo geeks who just discovered Star Wars in 2009 because they got a decent internet connection then.

Hipster geeks are far worse than regular hipsters.

LOL this is why I love FARK

I can watch bad TV, and honestly Max Headroom, the IT Crowd, Code Monkeys, Red Dwarf, and a slew of others are much better than BBT.


My point was the very post above yours was "in before people complaining its not a nerd show" You come in the NEXT POST complaining "Its not a real nerd show"

That was farking funny, is all.
 
2013-01-05 01:17:37 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: *searches thread for comment describing The Big Bang Theory as "nerd blackface" *

You're losing your edge, guys.


It's what stupid people think smart people sound like; it's the Newt Gingrich of comedy.
 
2013-01-05 01:20:47 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It's what stupid people think smart people sound like; it's the Newt Gingrich of comedy.


Smart people don't post on FARK
 
2013-01-05 01:21:26 PM  

cryinoutloud: NeoCortex42: "Oh, you must love big Bang Theory, then! I love that show! So are you just like Sheldon? Is that how you guys really act?"

If anyone really acted like Sheldon, they'd be living in the streets. They sure as hell wouldn't have roommates and real friends.

/hate that show


I had a roommate that was an IT version he was about 85% as bad though. He had all kinds of quirky rules. One example was that I was not allowed to keep ice in the freezer because he could smell it all the way in his room which was upstairs and down a 12 foot hallway. He said he could smell it with his door closed. No alcohol in the house, guests had to be cleared before inviting them over etc. Last I heard he started drinking for a girlfriend and really mellowed out.
 
2013-01-05 01:24:30 PM  

Blues_X: Sans the laugh track.


There is a live audience. I went to a taping in April 2011 (season finale when Penny and Raj "slept" together). There is live audience laughter, but they do augment it with a track. They did change a few lines here and there to see which got the biggest laughs.
 
2013-01-05 01:26:16 PM  
Years ago the owner/manger of Lassie was hearing complaints from collie breeders. The breeders were objecting to the fact that Lassie didn't meet breed standards. She didn't. The owner pulled out a stack of cash and said look at these ribbons. Chuck Lorre can do the same to those who says his shows suck. Feel better by not watching TBBT but he's laughing all the way to the bank
 
2013-01-05 01:27:55 PM  
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2013-01-05 01:33:04 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So what's the popular show with Farkers, Portlandia?


Uh, Portlandia is a hipster minstrel show. I hate every time it comes on the TV that I don't own.
 
2013-01-05 01:33:42 PM  

hbk72777: GAT_00: Well, nobody has ever accused Americans of having good taste in television shows.

And what would be good taste to you? The "whiny biatch super happy hour" from Japan?


Active shows I watch: The Good Wife, Newsroom, Suits, Covert Affairs, Psych, White Collar and Burn Notice.  Old shows that I am a fan of: West Wing, Star Trek, and the ones I mentioned previously.
 
2013-01-05 01:33:45 PM  

pacmanner: [i662.photobucket.com image 252x253]


Never noticed lefty is much much bigger than righty
 
2013-01-05 01:34:35 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It's what stupid people think smart people sound like; it's the Newt Gingrich of comedy.


Pretty much, aye.

C'mon, it's a Chuck Lorre show. It's the people who brought you Dharma & Greg taking on geek culture.

Take that as you will.
 
2013-01-05 01:34:56 PM  
So the conversation is about Thursday night comedies and the merits of laugh tracks or studio audiences, and none of you frittatas have mentioned The League?

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Shiva frowns on these shenanigans.
 
2013-01-05 01:36:43 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: C'mon, it's a Chuck Lorre show. It's the people who brought you Dharma & Greg taking on geek culture.


It's from the people who brought you everything else on CBS
 
2013-01-05 01:46:17 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It's what stupid people think smart people sound like; it's the Newt Gingrich of comedy.

Pretty much, aye.

C'mon, it's a Chuck Lorre show. It's the people who brought you Dharma & Greg taking on geek culture.

Take that as you will.


More importantly it's a sit-com.

You're looking for accuracy in the depiction of a group of people - any group of people - from a sit-com?

It's all about stereo-typing and simplification for the sake of easily accessible comedy. You think a sit-com that accurately represents the lives of an Astrophysicist, a Theoretical Physicist, an Experimental Physicist and an Aerospace Engineer would be naturally funny to the masses?

Seriously, it's a sit-com. You're over thinking it, people.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:10 PM  
Last 4th of July I was sitting in a park with some friends for a fireworks display. We were having a conversation about alien life, and animatedly debating the potential difficulties of trying to communicate with hypothetical intelligent alien life -- whether there would be any common vocabulary of ideas, whether they would understand our concept of the individual, whether mathematical principles might be a more universal language that opens the door to further exchange of ideas, etc. etc. Not an unusual conversation for us.

A fat woman in a lawn chair turned to us and said "Y'ALL SOUND LIKE A REAL LIFE VERSION OF THE BIG BANG THEORY!" We just looked at her blankly for a few moments and then resumed our conversation.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:21 PM  
This just in:

Big Bang is not a show for nerds about nerds.

Big Bang is a show about nerds for everyone else.

A show for nerds about nerds would probably tank because the (vast) majority of potential viewers would probably have trouble following it. Big Bang does a good job of throwing in nerd references with just enough explanation to get the idea across - any scene where Sheldon has to explain something to Penny, or any time someone makes one of those Star Trek-style "it's just like sticking a pin in a balloon!" analogies.

There's a point on the being-authentic-to-the-subject-matter spectrum where average viewers stop tuning in because it doesn't appeal to them. I think Big Bang is just shy of that, and nobody with a brain is saying otherwise. Complaining about it is no better than complaining about how Michael Westen gets to cause an explosive traffic jam on a major Miami road every week without ever hearing from the cops.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:50 PM  

Madbassist1: Also what funny show do you watch that doesnt use an audience or laughtrack? Genuinely curious.


TBBT is the only comedy show I watch that has a laugh track and I genuinely wonder why I bother the show is rather terrible lately. Some of these shows are defunct or about to be but I re-watch all the time

30 Rock, Community, Parks & Rec, Eastbound and Down, It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, Modern Family, Portlandia, The Office (uk), Trailer Park Boys.

Animated: Archer, Frisky Dingo, Bobs Burgers, Family Guy, American Dad, Simpsons, Venture Brothers
 
2013-01-05 01:52:46 PM  

Donnchadha: It's from the people who brought you everything else on CBS


I'll stop you right there and admit to liking NCIS. (I know, I know.)

Okay, continue.


Malacon: More importantly it's a sit-com.

You're looking for accuracy in the depiction of a group of people - any group of people - from a sit-com?

It's all about stereo-typing and simplification for the sake of easily accessible comedy. You think a sit-com that accurately represents the lives of an Astrophysicist, a Theoretical Physicist, an Experimental Physicist and an Aerospace Engineer would be naturally funny to the masses?

Seriously, it's a sit-com. You're over thinking it, people.


I'm merely saying that it's possible to make a funny sitcom about a specific group of people without having to resort to such wildly broad caricatures.

I'm not looking for accuracy so much as I'm looking for an absence of transparent pandering.

TBBT doesn't bother me along a geeky level, it bothers me along a comedic level. Your mileage may vary, and we cool there. We cool.
 
2013-01-05 01:53:16 PM  

Malacon: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It's what stupid people think smart people sound like; it's the Newt Gingrich of comedy.

Pretty much, aye.

C'mon, it's a Chuck Lorre show. It's the people who brought you Dharma & Greg taking on geek culture.

Take that as you will.

More importantly it's a sit-com.

You're looking for accuracy in the depiction of a group of people - any group of people - from a sit-com?

It's all about stereo-typing and simplification for the sake of easily accessible comedy. You think a sit-com that accurately represents the lives of an Astrophysicist, a Theoretical Physicist, an Experimental Physicist and an Aerospace Engineer would be naturally funny to the masses?

Seriously, it's a sit-com. You're over thinking it, people.



You have to remember, the people complaing over accuracy in BBT are the same people that thought this
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was below their standards just because she didn't really like World of Warcraft as much as she claimed.
"No True Nerd" is this generation's "No True Scotsman."
 
2013-01-05 01:53:59 PM  

Lokasenna: Complaining about it is no better than complaining about how Michael Westen gets to cause an explosive traffic jam on a major Miami road every week without ever hearing from the cops.


It's because he eats lots of yogurt, which helps those areas of his brain that are responsible for tactical operations.

It's handled in-universe, people.
 
2013-01-05 01:55:30 PM  
Sheldon may be a genius. But he is socially retarded. Kaley Cuoco keeps me coming back to watch. Nobody on the show was poorly cast though. I enjoy all the characters for their different foibles.
 
2013-01-05 01:56:23 PM  

PanicMan: NeoCortex42: I don't know how much it's helped physics grad students. Every first encounter with a person basically goes like this:
"I'm in grad school, working on my PhD in physics."
"Oh, you must love big Bang Theory, then! I love that show! So are you just like Sheldon? Is that how you guys really act?"

Are you upset that people are interested in what you do and want you to tell them about it?


But it's not that at all. They're not interested in what I do. They just think they already know about it through misinformation. Let's use another show as a different example:
"Oh, I'm a secretary."
"Oh, really! I love The Office! Its such a great show. Do you like it, too? I'm sure you would. It must be so crazy working around people like that all the time."

The difference is, people recognize that The Office is pretty far removed from reality at this point while also treating BBT as a pseudo-documentary.
 
2013-01-05 01:58:04 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Donnchadha: It's from the people who brought you everything else on CBS

I'll stop you right there and admit to liking NCIS. (I know, I know.)


And that's okay, because NCIS is nothing more than "What If The Goddamn Batman were a Navy Cop".
 
2013-01-05 02:01:26 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And that's okay, because NCIS is nothing more than "What If The Goddamn Batman were a Navy Cop".


And I'm perfectly alright with this.

(That, and DiNozzo making an absurdly wonderful number of movie references.)
 
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