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(Huffington Post)   Fox News ratings among 18-49 year olds plunge 42 percent year to year as millions realize they've been punked by a cable network   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-01-05 10:00:43 AM  
It's not news, it Fox. (I imagine Drew's got that copyrighted)
 
2013-01-05 12:14:42 PM  
They're getting older, smarter . . .
 
2013-01-05 12:37:42 PM  
I wonder where the Daily Show and Colbert Report would be compared to the actual news channels.
 
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2013-01-05 12:58:11 PM  
Or a lot of angry rednecks turned 50?
 
2013-01-05 12:58:25 PM  
EARTH to people who write about numbers. When you are presenting numbers, present them properly. Comparing 3 networks, give us a small table. when you put the numbers in prose, you make it impossible to quickly find the results. HINT: we dont want to read, we want to skim. You prose is vomit.

The December primetime ratings offer the biggest surprise,
the Fox News audience dropped 15 percent from December 2011,
MSNBC was up 17 percent and
CNN, probably thanks to the disasters, was up 32 percent.

Among 18-49s,
Fox News lost 42 percent of its audience year to year,
while CNN gained 35 percent and
MSNBC picked up 24 percent.

It was just as pronounced among 25-54 year olds,
again Fox News down 35 percent,
MSNBC up 28 percent and
CNN up 38 percent.

CNN shows more news than either of the other two networks, both Fox News and MSNBC spend most of their time talking about the news rather than showing it. So, when news breaks fast and furious, CNN gets the best results, Fox News does the worst, while MSNBC gains, but not as much as CNN.
 
2013-01-05 01:05:43 PM  

SnarfVader: I wonder where the Daily Show and Colbert Report would be compared to the actual news channels.


Don't let the echo chamber fool you.  Despite their intense fandom on Fark, and among left-oriented media types, I don't think they have anything close to the ratings of any news channels; cable or network.

FWIW I think the only thing on Comedy Central that pulls in sizable ratings these days is Tosh.0.
 
2013-01-05 01:24:13 PM  

gilgigamesh: SnarfVader: I wonder where the Daily Show and Colbert Report would be compared to the actual news channels.

Don't let the echo chamber fool you.  Despite their intense fandom on Fark, and among left-oriented media types, I don't think they have anything close to the ratings of any news channels; cable or network.
FWIW I think the only thing on Comedy Central that pulls in sizable ratings these days is Tosh.0.


too bad there is no way that you could search to find these facts that you think are just an echo chamber.
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6684

daily show (which is not prime time) 1.6
FNC (prime time) 1.9
FNC (non prime time) 1.1

so yah
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/26/tuesday-cable-ratings-so ns -of-anarchy-rides-to-victory-tosh-0-counting-cars-brickleberry-daily-s how-more/150245/
you were right about tosh
but we already KNEW that more people watch fiction than watch the news.
look at how many people watch orly (and if you think orly is news, you should ask fox about that. fox is CLEAR that orly isnt news, but opinion)
 
2013-01-05 01:25:25 PM  

gilgigamesh: SnarfVader: I wonder where the Daily Show and Colbert Report would be compared to the actual news channels.

Don't let the echo chamber fool you.  Despite their intense fandom on Fark, and among left-oriented media types, I don't think they have anything close to the ratings of any news channels; cable or network.

FWIW I think the only thing on Comedy Central that pulls in sizable ratings these days is Tosh.0.



Last year The Daily Show beat Fox News' prime programming hours for the first time with TDS pulling an average 2.3 million viewers and Fox daytime and primetime averaging 1.85 million viewers.
 
2013-01-05 01:26:48 PM  

namatad: daily show (which is not prime time) 1.6
FNC (prime time) 1.9
FNC (non prime time) 1.1


Huh.  Well then, I stand corrected.  I guess I was thinking Fox (and cable news generally) had ratings somewhat more comparable to network news, which does have ratings orders of magnitude higher than that.

Thanks for the info!
 
2013-01-05 01:38:59 PM  

namatad: EARTH to people who write about numbers. When you are presenting numbers, present them properly. Comparing 3 networks, give us a small table. when you put the numbers in prose, you make it impossible to quickly find the results. HINT: we dont want to read, we want to skim. You prose is vomit.


That, and it helps if you actually include ratings instead of just relative shifts.  Up 15%?  FROM farkING WHAT, YOU STUPID FARKING IDIOT?
 
2013-01-05 01:48:55 PM  

namatad: EARTH to people who write about numbers. When you are presenting numbers, present them properly.


It was a good year in primetime for everybody but CNN. On an annual basis, MSNBC was up 16 percent, Fox News was up 9 percent while CNN was down 2 percent. In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent
 
2013-01-05 02:12:23 PM  

Lsherm: namatad: EARTH to people who write about numbers. When you are presenting numbers, present them properly. Comparing 3 networks, give us a small table. when you put the numbers in prose, you make it impossible to quickly find the results. HINT: we dont want to read, we want to skim. You prose is vomit.

That, and it helps if you actually include ratings instead of just relative shifts.  Up 15%?  FROM farkING WHAT, YOU STUPID FARKING IDIOT?


97% increase!!! from 3 to 6!!!!
+/- 3% for sampling error
 
2013-01-05 02:51:29 PM  
Solution:  Put fox news blurbs in between commercial breaks of Fox primetime cartoons, FX and other channels.  Count that amongst your ratings.  Don't mention Tivo.  Claim success as your news is in front of the most 18-34 year olds ever.
 
2013-01-05 03:03:30 PM  

gilgigamesh: Don't let the echo chamber fool you. Despite their intense fandom on Fark, and among left-oriented media types, I don't think they have anything close to the ratings of any news channels; cable or network.


And even if they had them or exceed them, they're one what, twelve nights a month, max? It's not nearly enough consistent stimulus to create the sort of conditioning that propaganda needs.
 
2013-01-05 03:06:03 PM  
Has there been a thread about O'Reily's derp-fueled rant about The Current sale to Al Jazeera? lol

Al Gore is now a card carrying member of Al Qaeda because he chose AJ over a Mormon performance artist and he's also a tax dodger because he tried to complete the sale by the end of the year before capital gains taxes go up even though he will be paying the higher rate.
 
2013-01-05 03:06:53 PM  
That's the age group that's strong enough to throw the remote through the television on election night. No surprise.
 
2013-01-05 03:10:36 PM  

wambu: They're getting older, smarter . . .


Actually, if you watch long enough and have a good enough memory, you can catch them reversing their positions on a lot of things now that there's a guy they don't like in the White House. When you realize the news channel you watch is actively lying to you, you seek alternatives.

Unfortunately, there's still a lot of brainwashed people out there.
 
2013-01-05 03:14:29 PM  

namatad: EARTH to people who write about numbers. When you are presenting numbers, present them properly. Comparing 3 networks, give us a small table. when you put the numbers in prose, you make it impossible to quickly find the results. HINT: we dont want to read, we want to skim. You prose is vomit.


That's how Huffington Post steals content from other web sites: They pretend that they're reporting on findings established by others.
 
2013-01-05 03:14:54 PM  

gilgigamesh: namatad: daily show (which is not prime time) 1.6
FNC (prime time) 1.9
FNC (non prime time) 1.1

Huh.  Well then, I stand corrected.  I guess I was thinking Fox (and cable news generally) had ratings somewhat more comparable to network news, which does have ratings orders of magnitude higher than that.

Thanks for the info!


Yeah so how did that pulling "facts" out of your ass work?
It seems the "echo chamber" meant "something you didn't want to believe."
 
2013-01-05 03:45:12 PM  
Why don't they just run Matlock and Murder She Wrote as lead-in's? They could run a list of the local early-bird specials at 4:30.
 
2013-01-05 03:45:12 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent


Um, that's debunked by this very article.
 
2013-01-05 03:53:42 PM  
So the "liberal" network is way up, the "conservative" network is a little up and the "actual news" network is way down. What does that tell you? Looks to me like a lot of 18-to-whatever year olds have stopped watching the news and chosen to view propaganda instead. Oh well, at least it's liberal propaganda.
 
2013-01-05 03:57:14 PM  

clambam: the "actual news" network is way down


Those words you used...

CNN is more like the dumbed down network. Almost all of it is unwatchable dreck now unless there is breaking news...and then still its not that good.
 
2013-01-05 03:59:27 PM  
Lost in all the noise: CNN was down 2 points on an annual basis IN A farkING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR.

Seriously CNN, WTF?
 
2013-01-05 04:00:39 PM  
CNN is getting a solid reputation for portraying 'both sides are equal!' and people are increasingly going 'No, that's retarded, what's on MSNBC?'.
 
2013-01-05 04:01:52 PM  

Infernalist: CNN is getting a solid reputation for portraying 'both sides are equal!' and people are increasingly going 'No, that's retarded, what's on MSNBC?'.


CNN has been seriously right-biased for many years.
 
2013-01-05 04:01:57 PM  

czetie: Lost in all the noise: CNN was down 2 points on an annual basis IN A farkING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR.

Seriously CNN, WTF?


Fark had better election coverage.

Jesus wept.
 
2013-01-05 04:07:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent

Um, that's debunked by this very article.


You don't think he actually READS the articles, do you?
 
2013-01-05 04:08:58 PM  

IMDWalrus: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent

Um, that's debunked by this very article.

You don't think he actually READS the articles, do you?


Yeah, good point. But it's insulting that he doesn't think WE do too.
 
2013-01-05 04:10:31 PM  
But this can't be. My dad tells me Fox News has more viewers than all news channels combined! Christmas week at my parents was super fun with Fox News playing 24/7 on both their living room tv and their bedroom tv. It was literally an echo chamber since you can hear the bedroom tv in the living room and vice versa.
 
2013-01-05 04:17:32 PM  
Apparently the advertisers on faux have yet to notice that the faux demographics have no spending money and can't buy the products advertised.
 
2013-01-05 04:20:33 PM  

aearra: Apparently the advertisers on faux have yet to notice that the faux demographics have no spending money and can't buy the products advertised.


The few rare times I catch it, it's always some crappy infomercial for a product I'd never buy.
 
2013-01-05 04:26:40 PM  
Fox will die with their senile onion-belted viewership.
 
2013-01-05 04:27:15 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Infernalist: CNN is getting a solid reputation for portraying 'both sides are equal!' and people are increasingly going 'No, that's retarded, what's on MSNBC?'.

CNN has been seriously right-biased for many years.


CNN is definitely not "right biased." CNN is losing market share (and, indeed, "me-share") because they are doing what I previously thought was impossible. Fellating a 60" touchscreen display 24/7.
 
2013-01-05 04:52:02 PM  
18 and 49 in the same bracket seems pretty screwed up for a subject of such a strong age divide as news, Fox News in particular. That could be a father and son in the same category.


Nemosomen:
CNN is definitely not "right biased." CNN is losing market share (and, indeed, "me-share") because they are doing what I previously thought was impossible. Fellating a 60" touchscreen display 24/7.

CNN is biased in that it gives air time (and therefore its approval) to "both sides" when one side has things like facts and science on their side and the other side pulls it out of the ass live on television.
 
2013-01-05 04:54:47 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: 18 and 49 in the same bracket seems pretty screwed up for a subject of such a strong age divide as news, Fox News in particular. That could be a father and son in the same category.


Nemosomen:
CNN is definitely not "right biased." CNN is losing market share (and, indeed, "me-share") because they are doing what I previously thought was impossible. Fellating a 60" touchscreen display 24/7.

CNN is biased in that it gives air time (and therefore its approval) to "both sides" when one side has things like facts and science on their side and the other side pulls it out of the ass live on television.


The bracket is not based on news consumption, it's based on ad consumption. The revenue side of things doesn't care about who is most similar in opinion, it cares about who is most similar in spending habits.
 
2013-01-05 04:54:53 PM  

Nemosomen: PC LOAD LETTER: Infernalist: CNN is getting a solid reputation for portraying 'both sides are equal!' and people are increasingly going 'No, that's retarded, what's on MSNBC?'.

CNN has been seriously right-biased for many years.

CNN is definitely not "right biased." CNN is losing market share (and, indeed, "me-share") because they are doing what I previously thought was impossible. Fellating a 60" touchscreen display 24/7.


Keep in mind that Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs both had shows on CNN for quite a while. I don't think CNN is necessarily right-biased, but as has been said they do fall into the trap that "both sides are equal" and as such they've moved away from reporting news and become too equivocating.
 
2013-01-05 04:57:57 PM  

Nemosomen: PC LOAD LETTER: Infernalist: CNN is getting a solid reputation for portraying 'both sides are equal!' and people are increasingly going 'No, that's retarded, what's on MSNBC?'.

CNN has been seriously right-biased for many years.

CNN is definitely not "right biased." CNN is losing market share (and, indeed, "me-share") because they are doing what I previously thought was impossible. Fellating a 60" touchscreen display 24/7.


I think CNN is in a fine position. They, at least superficially to people who aren't partisan hacks to start with, aren't politically inclined either way. That's not to say the idiots who rant about how the mainstream media is liberal (ignoring that FNC is by ratings the mainstream) won't say it's liberal. But it doesn't do a lot of hacky opinion shows like MSNBC and Fox. Their commentators are also diverse and their main contributors aren't obviously hawking one ideology or another. That makes CNN very boring most of the time, but it also makes them the network to watch when something actually newsworthy happens.

During Sandy, I couldn't stomach watching Fox or MSNBC. My mom is a big MSNBC fan, and every time I saw their coverage, it was speculation on how it would affect the election, how Christie's support would hurt republicans, etc. Similarly, during the Newton shooting I didn't want to watch Matthews drone on about gun control, or O'Reilly talking about how guns aren't that bad. I'd rather watch the more "objective" network, that just covers stories for what they are.

Mind you, I'm not saying that CNN doesn't have its hacks or that it's entirely unbiased journalism. Such a thing does not really exist, and there are foreign and independent news organizations that are better (Al-Jazeera and BBC come to mind). But they exist in a nice space between FNC and MSNBC right now where they're the sanity that you turn to when you want to watch the news but don't want to be bombarded with politics.
 
2013-01-05 05:08:59 PM  
Their viewers will be back en masse by the midterm elections. Where else are they going to go? Real news stations that don't tell them exactly what they want to hear? Get serious.

They're just tuning politics out until the sting of the elections rubs off.
 
2013-01-05 05:13:34 PM  
That article gave me Too Much To Think About.
/NSFW Video
 
2013-01-05 05:15:00 PM  

lacydog: But they exist in a nice space between FNC and MSNBC right now where they're the sanity that you turn to when you want to watch the news but don't want to be bombarded with politics facts and high-level discourse

 
2013-01-05 05:44:12 PM  
MSNBC has one huge advantage: the Truth. or at least as close to the truth as you will find on cable news.

course, no one can compete with the Internet.
 
2013-01-05 05:46:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: lacydog: But they exist in a nice space between FNC and MSNBC right now where they're the sanity that you turn to when you want to watch the news but don't want to be bombarded with politics facts and high-level discourse


Is this backwards day where FNC and MSNBC are fact-filled and CNN is fact-free? How can you even state that FNC and MSNBC are both factual without contradicting yourself? Fox News doesn't even claim to be 100% news. They are only news during off-peak hours. Not sure about MSNBC, only Fox News pundits watch that shiat.
 
2013-01-05 06:06:49 PM  

IMDWalrus: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent

Um, that's debunked by this very article.

You don't think he actually READS the articles, do you?


I'm not convinced it CAN read.
 
2013-01-05 06:09:44 PM  

Nemosomen: Is this backwards day where FNC and MSNBC are fact-filled and CNN is fact-free? How can you even state that FNC and MSNBC are both factual without contradicting yourself?


Oh, I KNOW that FNC is fact-free. But MSNBC has some really good news shows. And CNN is really fact-free. Like. It's news-lite. Infotainment, I believe is the word.
 
2013-01-05 06:29:53 PM  
I'm not surprised. Watching 24/7 news channels is downright depressing. There's no depth to the coverage, and it's just an endless loop of talking heads and misinformation. Who really needs to see the same thing, over and over again, 24/7? At some point it's simply easier and more productive to read information online and simply use your television for actual watching instead of being brainwashed with cheaply made nonsense designed to delude.
 
2013-01-05 06:43:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent

Um, that's debunked by this very article.


If I'm reading this poorly written article correctly, fox was up 3% in that demographic for the year, but down substantially in that demo after the election compared to the same period the previous year.
 
2013-01-05 06:54:02 PM  
or, you know, maybe it's because a lot of us can't afford cable anymore and end up being cord cutters, only watching netflix and hulu? derp.

/Not that I would watch Fox News even if I had cable, but there has to be some correlation there.
 
2013-01-05 06:59:19 PM  

Spreadhead: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: In the 18-49 demographics, Fox News was up 3 percent

Um, that's debunked by this very article.

If I'm reading this poorly written article correctly, fox was up 3% in that demographic for the year, but down substantially in that demo after the election compared to the same period the previous year.


yes you're reading correctly... libs have really gone full retard in this thread
 
2013-01-05 07:16:07 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: I'm not surprised. Watching 24/7 news channels is downright depressing. There's no depth to the coverage, and it's just an endless loop of talking heads and misinformation. Who really needs to see the same thing, over and over again, 24/7? At some point it's simply easier and more productive to read information online and simply use your television for actual watching instead of being brainwashed with cheaply made nonsense designed to delude.


If you watch any 24 hours "news" network for 1 hour, you'll have heard everything worth hearing about that they have that day. The other 23 hours may as well just be a tape put on infinite loop for all the useful new information they convey.
 
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