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(Fox News)   Arizona wants to ban fake identities on the internet, haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through considering the sheer amount of Derp their state spews upon the world would now have their names attached to it   (foxnews.com) divider line 25
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2013-01-05 11:30:19 AM
7 votes:
Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.
2013-01-05 01:25:23 PM
3 votes:
Yes, let's "ban" something (here, 1st amendment freedoms) to increase our feeling of "safety". This is a condition one man considered, about 230 years ago:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

Welcome to America...land of the pathetically weak, home of the pants-pissing-scared-sh*tless citizenry.

Remember the America that stormed the beaches of Normandy? Basically landing on a wide, sandy beach - no concealment - taking out Nazi machine-gun nests and the like. We won World Wars...and were also the wealthiest nation in the world. And we built stuff. Good stuff.

And now? We're literally so scared sh*tless - as a country - an 8-year-old gets - LITERALLY - suspended from school for creating a "gun" with his fingers. A shoebox left on a park bench can - LITERALLY - be cause for evacuating entire city blocks.

These "people you've put in charge" have ruined us financially - they can't do on a national scale what are basic, common-sense budgeting principles for ones' home budget. We're a 2nd-rate power in the world as we're getting softer, more scared, less educated, we don't make anything and our health-care is so broken as to resemble an abuse of human rights.

WTF happened to you people?! Now you have public libraries banning books - which the decision-makers never even read. The imaginations of kids are now becoming illegal...un-supervised play is seen as savagery. YOUR laziness regarding eating is the reason corporations now could be in violation of the law for serving you a "large" drink. Now people are screaming about "assault weapons" (?!) when handguns are responsible for 99% + of gun violence (I have data to back this up). The loudness of the voices seem to be perfectly and positively related to the amount of ignorance, which...being willful, is actually stupidity.
2013-01-05 01:11:05 PM
3 votes:
The real problem is that the legislature is trying to write laws about topics that they don't actually know much about. If they were to ask a few reasonably competent network people, "Can we make it impossible to be anonymous on the Net as it currently exists in the USA?", then they'd probably say, "Not without spending a metric pissload of taxpayer money, because the tech infrastructure isn't set up to do that. And it probably shouldn't be." That puts everything into a framework that even legislators and primary voters can understand.

The larger problem is that legislators are expected to do 2-3 times more work on 2-3 times more disparate topics at a faster pace than they were in 1913, yet they haven't gotten 2-3 times smarter or better at doing their jobs. This is not unique to Arizona either.
2013-01-05 12:20:59 PM
3 votes:
I was just pondering this last night and how wonderful it is for me to be slightly anonymous online. I am mentally ill and to talk face to face with someone about it is very difficult, it is also difficult because I am on disability and trying to explain to someone why a physically fit guy is on disability is extremely embarrassing. But online I can talk to others and get feedback beyond this small bubble I am trapped in. This is my only way of interacting with people with any sort of honesty. Being anonymous turns down the loneliness just a bit.
2013-01-05 12:17:18 PM
3 votes:

hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed


How is not wanting people to die in the gutter naivety?
2013-01-05 11:36:41 AM
3 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: thamike: Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.

It starts there, but you give 'em an inch, they'll take the whole damn mile.

It would go from impersonating real people (which, as you say, there are already laws against that) to having to use your real name anytime you post anything anywhere so they can monitor your thoughts, activities, and opinions.

Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses. But they'll want more.


qft. anyone who thinks they are really tweeting with the Bieber is an idiot. It's the web, it's like a schoolyard set to forever recess.
2013-01-05 10:31:33 AM
3 votes:
How about we cut to the chase and ban Arizona.
2013-01-05 07:29:46 AM
3 votes:

thamike: Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.


It starts there, but you give 'em an inch, they'll take the whole damn mile.

It would go from impersonating real people (which, as you say, there are already laws against that) to having to use your real name anytime you post anything anywhere so they can monitor your thoughts, activities, and opinions.

Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses. But they'll want more.
2013-01-05 01:10:42 PM
2 votes:
I actually have no problem with a law targeting using fake names online, but only if it targeted someone using someone else's name. The bill this woman submitted, however, would make it a crime for me to post as Mock26 if I was ever in Arizona. Fark her.
2013-01-05 12:43:17 PM
2 votes:
Stuff like this always amuses me... The first rule of safety on the internet is never give your real name. They will never get their wish.
2013-01-05 12:28:29 PM
2 votes:

hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed. The ones who can't accept that every ideology is flawed abandon their morality and become Republicans so they can continue to live in naivety.


There. Finished that for you.
2013-01-05 12:26:14 PM
2 votes:
I see Fox News still hasn't figured out how the Internet works:

"Any time you draft legislation you have to be really careful with the language," Anjali Abraham, public policy director at the ACLU of Arizona, told FoxNews.com.

So why not provide a link to the bill, so we can judge the language by ourselves?

Arizona House Bill 2004 (the number of the bill is also essential information, which the "journalists" at Fox News should have thought to include).

For once, I don't mean to single out Fox. Most news outlets refuse to provide external links. The bottom line trumps informing the public every time.
2013-01-05 12:09:06 PM
2 votes:
I'm making a bunch of fake Michelle Ugenti FB pages right now.
2013-01-05 07:52:57 AM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses.


Yeah I'm stupid. Stupid like a LEMMING. Mwa ha ha ha.

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2013-01-05 01:27:27 PM
1 votes:
Doesn't everyone use a fake name generator?
2013-01-05 01:20:30 PM
1 votes:
Funny to see so many people commenting when it is obvious they didn't RTFA.

Arizona doesn't want to ban anonymity, they want to ban impersonation.  A lot of what this law hopes to accomplish is probably already covered by existing defamation laws, since many people who impersonate online probably do so with sinister motive.  The only added benefit I could see with this is that it prevents cyber-squatters.
2013-01-05 12:52:02 PM
1 votes:

hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed


Much of Liberalism IS flawed, but as someone in his 40's, I can say I've seen far more derp from the Republican side than from the Democrats in my lifetime.

/ seems to be a trend, beginning around 1980....
2013-01-05 12:37:53 PM
1 votes:
It really amuses the hell out of me (and pisses me off) when legislators draft up proposed laws on technology, or other things that they do not even have a rudimentary understanding of.
2013-01-05 12:18:23 PM
1 votes:

JRoo: bifurcated


Ouch.
2013-01-05 12:14:02 PM
1 votes:

cig-mkr: FTA: State Rep. Michelle Ugenti wants to send such offenders to prison if they get caught

Do the feds pay the state for inmates or something? Cheese on rice, the answer to everything is to put people in prison. What a crock of BS


No, we have a lot of privately-run prisons. I think you can do the math from there.
2013-01-05 12:13:45 PM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.


And just how many of them are the rude, crude and ignorant people that have retired somewhere in the North East and relocated to your neck of the woods for the weather?
2013-01-05 12:11:57 PM
1 votes:
Hmmm. I suppose that means I'd have to give up my Weedlord Bonerhitler alt.
2013-01-05 12:09:53 PM
1 votes:
FTA: State Rep. Michelle Ugenti wants to send such offenders to prison if they get caught

Do the feds pay the state for inmates or something? Cheese on rice, the answer to everything is to put people in prison. What a crock of BS
2013-01-05 12:06:14 PM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.


Sounds a lot like South Florida. I actually hate the elderly more then children since I moved here last year.
2013-01-05 12:00:33 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait for Sheriff Arpaio to comment in this thread about his views on this law.
 
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