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(Fox News)   Arizona wants to ban fake identities on the internet, haven't thought their cunning plan all the way through considering the sheer amount of Derp their state spews upon the world would now have their names attached to it   (foxnews.com) divider line 86
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2013-01-05 07:27:29 AM
Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.
 
2013-01-05 07:29:46 AM

thamike: Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.


It starts there, but you give 'em an inch, they'll take the whole damn mile.

It would go from impersonating real people (which, as you say, there are already laws against that) to having to use your real name anytime you post anything anywhere so they can monitor your thoughts, activities, and opinions.

Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses. But they'll want more.
 
2013-01-05 07:52:57 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses.


Yeah I'm stupid. Stupid like a LEMMING. Mwa ha ha ha.

news.sciencemag.org
 
2013-01-05 10:31:33 AM
How about we cut to the chase and ban Arizona.
 
2013-01-05 11:30:19 AM
Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.
 
2013-01-05 11:36:41 AM

FirstNationalBastard: thamike: Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.

It starts there, but you give 'em an inch, they'll take the whole damn mile.

It would go from impersonating real people (which, as you say, there are already laws against that) to having to use your real name anytime you post anything anywhere so they can monitor your thoughts, activities, and opinions.

Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses. But they'll want more.


qft. anyone who thinks they are really tweeting with the Bieber is an idiot. It's the web, it's like a schoolyard set to forever recess.
 
2013-01-05 11:59:28 AM

L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.


Great, so it can turn into congested, polluted, and bankrupted California.
 
2013-01-05 12:00:33 PM
I can't wait for Sheriff Arpaio to comment in this thread about his views on this law.
 
2013-01-05 12:01:31 PM
What? You don't believe my legal name is Epic Fap Session?
 
2013-01-05 12:03:37 PM
Angelina Jolie's Leg reportedly unamused.
 
2013-01-05 12:05:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: thamike: Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.

It starts there, but you give 'em an inch, they'll take the whole damn mile.

It would go from impersonating real people (which, as you say, there are already laws against that) to having to use your real name anytime you post anything anywhere so they can monitor your thoughts, activities, and opinions.

Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses. But they'll want more.


when it comes to true crime law enforcement will contact ones ISP for online activity. between that and cloning a HDD for forensic investigation they will find all they need to know - unless one is a uber meister on 'puters. most folks are not.
 
2013-01-05 12:06:14 PM

L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.


Sounds a lot like South Florida. I actually hate the elderly more then children since I moved here last year.
 
2013-01-05 12:09:06 PM
I'm making a bunch of fake Michelle Ugenti FB pages right now.
 
2013-01-05 12:09:53 PM
FTA: State Rep. Michelle Ugenti wants to send such offenders to prison if they get caught

Do the feds pay the state for inmates or something? Cheese on rice, the answer to everything is to put people in prison. What a crock of BS
 
2013-01-05 12:10:05 PM

L.D. Ablo: Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years. Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.


Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed
 
2013-01-05 12:11:57 PM
Hmmm. I suppose that means I'd have to give up my Weedlord Bonerhitler alt.
 
2013-01-05 12:12:43 PM

L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.


Phoenix here. It's not just the old farts. A lot of people here have what I used to call "California syndrome," where they at like selfish assholes who think the world revolves around them. Though to be fair, quite a few of them would qualify as dwarf planets if they were out in space, but I digress.

You're right that Democrats are slowly taking over the state. Five of our 9 representatives in Congress are Democrats (though at least 1 of them needs to retire, but won't since he never faces a Republican on election day). Republicans lost their super majority in the state legislature. Now if we can just ship out Sheriff Joe and Governor Racist Jan (as my GOP-backing mother calls her), we'd be OK.
 
2013-01-05 12:13:16 PM
I predict good things to come out of this bill, or my name isn't Cornelius Dribble!
 
2013-01-05 12:13:45 PM

L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.


And just how many of them are the rude, crude and ignorant people that have retired somewhere in the North East and relocated to your neck of the woods for the weather?
 
2013-01-05 12:13:52 PM
They can suck my bifurcated neon purple sparkling dragon cock.
 
2013-01-05 12:14:02 PM

cig-mkr: FTA: State Rep. Michelle Ugenti wants to send such offenders to prison if they get caught

Do the feds pay the state for inmates or something? Cheese on rice, the answer to everything is to put people in prison. What a crock of BS


No, we have a lot of privately-run prisons. I think you can do the math from there.
 
2013-01-05 12:16:02 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Hmmm. I suppose that means I'd have to give up my Weedlord Bonerhitler alt.


As if there is a real Weedlord Bonerhitler somewhere sitting in his underwear crying into a bowl of cheerios shouting "That's not me! Oh Arizona, save me from this imposter!"
 
2013-01-05 12:17:18 PM

hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed


How is not wanting people to die in the gutter naivety?
 
2013-01-05 12:17:19 PM
Good luck with that

Signed
Dick Hertz
 
2013-01-05 12:18:23 PM

JRoo: bifurcated


Ouch.
 
2013-01-05 12:19:07 PM
Ya know you are in Arizona when......
 
2013-01-05 12:20:59 PM
I was just pondering this last night and how wonderful it is for me to be slightly anonymous online. I am mentally ill and to talk face to face with someone about it is very difficult, it is also difficult because I am on disability and trying to explain to someone why a physically fit guy is on disability is extremely embarrassing. But online I can talk to others and get feedback beyond this small bubble I am trapped in. This is my only way of interacting with people with any sort of honesty. Being anonymous turns down the loneliness just a bit.
 
2013-01-05 12:22:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Hmmm. I suppose that means I'd have to give up my Weedlord Bonerhitler alt.


don't you dare.
 
2013-01-05 12:23:14 PM
Fark is doomed!!
 
2013-01-05 12:24:19 PM

thatboyoverthere: hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed

How is not wanting people to die in the gutter naivety?


Chill out, man - he's just saying words. Words Republicans say to make themselves feel better.
It's kind of like a mantra or magic incantation.
 
2013-01-05 12:24:50 PM

Too_many_Brians: I was just pondering this last night and how wonderful it is for me to be slightly anonymous online. I am mentally ill and to talk face to face with someone about it is very difficult, it is also difficult because I am on disability and trying to explain to someone why a physically fit guy is on disability is extremely embarrassing. But online I can talk to others and get feedback beyond this small bubble I am trapped in. This is my only way of interacting with people with any sort of honesty. Being anonymous turns down the loneliness just a bit.


Welcome to the Intratubes!
 
2013-01-05 12:26:14 PM
I see Fox News still hasn't figured out how the Internet works:

"Any time you draft legislation you have to be really careful with the language," Anjali Abraham, public policy director at the ACLU of Arizona, told FoxNews.com.

So why not provide a link to the bill, so we can judge the language by ourselves?

Arizona House Bill 2004 (the number of the bill is also essential information, which the "journalists" at Fox News should have thought to include).

For once, I don't mean to single out Fox. Most news outlets refuse to provide external links. The bottom line trumps informing the public every time.
 
2013-01-05 12:28:29 PM

hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed. The ones who can't accept that every ideology is flawed abandon their morality and become Republicans so they can continue to live in naivety.


There. Finished that for you.
 
2013-01-05 12:32:38 PM
This must be what they mean when they say LIBERTY AN FREEDOM WHOOOOOO! MERICA!
 
2013-01-05 12:34:06 PM
Dammit this means adding the "Pam" back on to the beginning of my fark name.
 
2013-01-05 12:37:53 PM
It really amuses the hell out of me (and pisses me off) when legislators draft up proposed laws on technology, or other things that they do not even have a rudimentary understanding of.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:09 PM
"No corrective lenses tonight Mr Papagiorgio?"

25.media.tumblr.com

"No sir, I do not require them."
 
2013-01-05 12:38:10 PM

desertgeek: L.D. Ablo: Yuma, here!

Arizona is embarrassing, but a lot of the problem is going to die off in the next 10-20 years.  Most people I know who are under 55-60 are not Republicans and there are lots of Hispanics.  The state should turn blue when the angry old people buy the rancho.

I don't like many of the old people around here.  Many are rude, inconsiderate and feel entitled.  They will cut lines, drive pretending that no one else exists, and will do things like interrupt your order at the counter to make demands on the clerk.  These are not kindly old grannies.  They're assholes and they vote like it.

They can't die soon enough.  It makes me want to secretly add cholesterol to the water supply or something.

Phoenix here. It's not just the old farts. A lot of people here have what I used to call "California syndrome," where they at like selfish assholes who think the world revolves around them. Though to be fair, quite a few of them would qualify as dwarf planets if they were out in space, but I digress.

You're right that Democrats are slowly taking over the state. Five of our 9 representatives in Congress are Democrats (though at least 1 of them needs to retire, but won't since he never faces a Republican on election day). Republicans lost their super majority in the state legislature. Now if we can just ship out Sheriff Joe and Governor Racist Jan (as my GOP-backing mother calls her), we'd be OK.


Cool. Glory to the State!
 
2013-01-05 12:41:23 PM

cig-mkr: FTA: State Rep. Michelle Ugenti wants to send such offenders to prison if they get caught

Do the feds pay the state for inmates or something? Cheese on rice, the answer to everything is to put people in prison. What a crock of BS


It's cool. I want to send people to prison for not wearing a name badge in public.
 
2013-01-05 12:43:17 PM
Stuff like this always amuses me... The first rule of safety on the internet is never give your real name. They will never get their wish.
 
2013-01-05 12:45:01 PM
U meen I gots to tell peoples iM not the rele Bradd Pit?
 
2013-01-05 12:49:32 PM

gajillion: hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed. The ones who can't accept that every ideology is flawed abandon their morality and become Republicans so they can continue to live in naivety.

There. Finished that for you.


See the thing is that both Laissez Faire Capitalism on one side and Communism on the other have good parts but are both ultimately unworkable, but there is a sweet spot between the two systems that combines the best parts of both and works really well.(in the context of this conversation that "sweet spot" would be liberalism)

/economist
 
2013-01-05 12:52:02 PM

hbk72777: Most young people don't start out as Republicans. It's only after living in naivety do they realize Liberalism is flawed


Much of Liberalism IS flawed, but as someone in his 40's, I can say I've seen far more derp from the Republican side than from the Democrats in my lifetime.

/ seems to be a trend, beginning around 1980....
 
2013-01-05 12:54:34 PM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-05 12:58:43 PM

Too_many_Brians: I was just pondering this last night and how wonderful it is for me to be slightly anonymous online. I am mentally ill and to talk face to face with someone about it is very difficult, it is also difficult because I am on disability and trying to explain to someone why a physically fit guy is on disability is extremely embarrassing. But online I can talk to others and get feedback beyond this small bubble I am trapped in. This is my only way of interacting with people with any sort of honesty. Being anonymous turns down the loneliness just a bit.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-05 01:04:42 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-01-05 01:10:42 PM
I actually have no problem with a law targeting using fake names online, but only if it targeted someone using someone else's name. The bill this woman submitted, however, would make it a crime for me to post as Mock26 if I was ever in Arizona. Fark her.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:05 PM
The real problem is that the legislature is trying to write laws about topics that they don't actually know much about. If they were to ask a few reasonably competent network people, "Can we make it impossible to be anonymous on the Net as it currently exists in the USA?", then they'd probably say, "Not without spending a metric pissload of taxpayer money, because the tech infrastructure isn't set up to do that. And it probably shouldn't be." That puts everything into a framework that even legislators and primary voters can understand.

The larger problem is that legislators are expected to do 2-3 times more work on 2-3 times more disparate topics at a faster pace than they were in 1913, yet they haven't gotten 2-3 times smarter or better at doing their jobs. This is not unique to Arizona either.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: thamike:

Looks more like they want to ban real people from impersonating other real people on the internet for malicious purposes, which I think is already illegal enough when it comes to severe cases.

It starts there, but you give 'em an inch, they'll take the whole damn mile.


Indeed.


It would go from impersonating real people (which, as you say, there are already laws against that) to having to use your real name anytime you post anything anywhere so they can monitor your thoughts, activities, and opinions.

That could mean the end of The One True TheDavidTM! Every honorable Internaut must oppose this measure with every possible means!

How do they intend to police that, anyway? Would it apply only to messages originating in Arizona, or would they try to extradite people from Helsinki?


Hell, most people already give them that with Facebook, anyway, like a bunch of Dumbasses. But they'll want more.

I already have to watch what I post where on Facebook because one of my FB Friends is my 28 year old niece who cares very much what strangers think of her, and my other younger niece and my own sister won't Friend me because their circles are even more conventional, inhibited and censorious. There was a big shiatstorm in the family when I advised my elder niece's friends how to clean their works if they must share them: nobody's supposed to know some of her "nice" friends shoot smack, and think of what her prospective employers might imagine. But how else would one reach half of Baltimore's dipshiat hipster community in one fell swoop with this vital information?

Even so I'm almost as forthcoming under my own Real Name as here, though this incarnation is mild compared to the old days on Usenet. I have the inestimable luxuries of having very little need to conceal essentially trivial information and very little incentive to avoid offending random strangers: it could be because I have balls of steel or because I'm too stupid to give a damn, but either way the number of living humans who have any Davy-given right to expect me to care what they think of me can be counted on four fingers.

Some common sense applies, I don't confess felonies or reveal anyone else's deep dark secrets, but otherwise fark it. Somebody has to speak out for the faceless multitudes who are scared of their own shadows.
 
2013-01-05 01:12:14 PM

desertgeek: cig-mkr: FTA: State Rep. Michelle Ugenti wants to send such offenders to prison if they get caught

Do the feds pay the state for inmates or something? Cheese on rice, the answer to everything is to put people in prison. What a crock of BS

No, we have a lot of privately-run prisons. I think you can do the math from there.


Don't need these guys to figure that one out
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