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(Today)   Now that the term "Asperger's Syndrome" will soon cease to exist, some who claim to have the disease fear the hours of internet research they'll have to do to self-diagnose a new disorder to explain the fact that they're just social misfits   (today.com) divider line 170
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2013-01-05 11:25:45 AM

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I farkin hate Adderall but need it every day.

/narcolepsy
 
2013-01-05 11:32:46 AM

Gwendolyn: My son has Aspergers. I really wouldn't give a shiat about diagnosing him but the school needed it just to allow the kid some leeway in the very rigid schedule in class. He just needed the option of sitting and reading at his desk sometimes when class gets too much. Almost took an order of Congress to do it. I don't think if the self-diagnosed people were ever around actual Aspergers people they would still think its about being an asshole. Socially akward sure but its nit assholish its not knowing any better.

He's declared himself a Ravens fan and hates the Redskins. So he says before they play each other, " I'm going to initiate a hostile take over of the Redskins. Once I am a majority owner I'm going borrow money and sell off assets to lower their stock value until they have to declare chapter 11. They'll be a defunct organization and Ill sell the franchise rights to some other state. I won't have to see then play anymore." This kid is 7.

"You know you can just say you don't like them and yell loud for the Ravens. Right?"

"No. That's not good enough." He also runs out of e room holding his ears when Empire Carpet commercials come on.


Two and a half thoughts:

1) How times have changed. When my third grade teacher realized I wanted/needed time to sit and read by myself, (I was way ahead in math and science, and responded to boredom... poorly) she just let me think I was getting away with something, and smacked a ruler on my desk when she needed me to pay attention. Administrations used to trust teachers to, you know, teach.

2) You might enjoy my dad's cousin's blog. Her situation isn't unique, but she's a decent storyteller, and your son's comment reminds me of some of her sons'.

2B) Football franchises are independently owned and do not have stock, as such. He would have to raise venture capital to buy the franchise outright, and the NFL would presumably do a background check before they approve the sale, during which they would realize he's a Ravens fan.
 
2013-01-05 11:33:02 AM

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


THIS.

In 2012, didn't the psychological council or whatever they are called try to rule that biting one's fingernails was a sign of obsessive-compulsive disease, and therefore a mental illness. It sounds like they would prefer to focus on the "easy" customers that they can give a bottle of pills and send on their way...Meanwhile, people like Adam Lanza slip through their rather large cracks...Because who would a therapist rather deal with? A man toting a Bushmaster and not afraid to use it, or a nail-biter?
 
2013-01-05 11:36:47 AM

dv-ous: 2B) Football franchises are independently owned and do not have stock, as such. He would have to raise venture capital to buy the franchise outright, and the NFL would presumably do a background check before they approve the sale, during which they would realize he's a Ravens fan.


Also, a seven-year-old probably knows too much about football to own the Redskins.
 
2013-01-05 11:38:07 AM

i upped my meds-up yours: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. AllNo members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:
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I left off whatever this guy's got. Hypersnarkism?
 
2013-01-05 11:38:37 AM
There's an official "We Remove Official Terms From The Lexicon" Department authorized to make words disappear?

Obama has a Red Queen in his Cabinet?

Why yes, yes he does.
 
2013-01-05 11:40:58 AM

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.


This. This this this. Everything's a syndrome now. Every feeling is a clinical diagnosis. Get nervous taking tests? Here's a tranquilizer. Occasional insomnia? Sleeping pill. Lots of energy? ADD. Like to keep things tidy? OCD. Sad sometimes? Depression. Here's a pill for that. Here's a couple of pills for that. The damn society we live in today wants a quick fix for everything. They want to go to the doctor and leave with a pill to fix their problems, when frequently-- as with someone I know who claims to have an autism spectrum disorder-- you're just an asshole, and your "disorder" is a convenient excuse to just treat people like shiat and get away with it. "But I have a disorder" no, you told your doctor you have three of the five symptoms of X and he wrote you a prescription just to get your whiny ass out of his office.
 
2013-01-05 11:42:20 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders.


Want to know how I know you know nothing about psychiatry beyond what you think Freud was about?
 
2013-01-05 11:44:08 AM

storm16: bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.

THIS.

In 2012, didn't the psychological council or whatever they are called try to rule that biting one's fingernails was a sign of obsessive-compulsive disease, and therefore a mental illness. It sounds like they would prefer to focus on the "easy" customers that they can give a bottle of pills and send on their way...Meanwhile, people like Adam Lanza slip through their rather large cracks...Because who would a therapist rather deal with? A man toting a Bushmaster and not afraid to use it, or a nail-biter?


If you actually did some research you would know it was were the person went beyond the fingernails and started to rip out the cutcle and fingertips and couldn't stop themselves. IE a compulsion.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:25 AM
I am picking up faint whiffs of Scientology in this thread.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:27 AM

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I left off whatever this guy's got. Hypersnarkism?


Guilty as charged. Conservatives hate people with invisible disabilities, and if one shoots up a public place every few months, that's a fair price to pay for making the rest of them suck it up.
 
2013-01-05 12:03:36 PM

Double Time: Anyone can get diagnosed with those things if they know the symptoms. Read the symptoms, go to the doctor, tell him you have those symptoms, done. Diagnosed.


Bullshiat. To get diagnoised with ADHD you have to sit through three sessions of testing with 1st and 3rd being one hour long and the 2nd being two hours long.
/I know I have ADHD but I don't have many medication options with it as I react badly to stimulants.
//Too much coffee can induce mild anxiexty in me.
 
2013-01-05 12:23:05 PM
I'm not one of those people who needs a label to justify my differences, but I've often wondered if I do, in fact, have Asperger syndrome.
* I'm incredibly socially awkward and have intense fears of things like job interviews.
*Parties are hell.
*When I was young it took me an abnormally long time to learn how to tie my shoes or ride a bicycle. Likewise, it took me four tries to get my driver's license.
*I never learned what my IQ was tested as in school, but I was put in one of those ridiculously useless "extended-ed" classes and teachers were always giving me extra tasks just to get rid of me.
*My interests (particularly perfume collecting) border on the obsessive and I can easily bore others with them.

Who am I kidding? I'm just a socially retarded loser.
 
2013-01-05 12:28:45 PM

wildcardjack: They keep getting further from the specificity of an actual diagnosis and clumping more "I don't know what's really wrong, but here's what we're going to call you" diseases into the same category.

A category we used to call "strange" or "retarded". But we can't use those words anymore. Oh no, we're supposed to have a diagnosis for our problems. Well, buddy, lemme tell you your final diagnosis: Human. It comes in a wide spectrum of mental states and pathologies and responds to a spectrum of drugs and treatments. I recommend getting hammered or stoned.


Funny you mention this since Mental Retardation is being replaced in the DSM 5

/as are the Roman numerals.
 
2013-01-05 12:29:26 PM

bump: They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


You may have unknowningly hit the nail on the head. Many doctors say the only reason they allow medical representatives in their presence is for the free samples. They have many patients without insurance who cannot afford life-saving medications, and use the samples to help them.

Of course, with ObamaCare ensuring that nearly everyone will have health insurance and prescription coverage, perhaps in a year or two such representatives will find a much cooler welcome in America's medical facilities.
 
2013-01-05 12:30:53 PM
To add a very childish and silly post: I would think such patients would be glad to get rid of a label that sounds like "ass burgers"
 
2013-01-05 12:31:26 PM

thamike: fisker: thamike: Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.

Look how cool and edgy you are.

Are these qualities you find crucial in your pursuit of an identity?


Nah.

It's seems to be the prevailing response around here, though. I've had it said to me a couple times even when people can't see past my lead-encased sarcasm. You should feel good though because I rarely revile when I am joking around.
 
2013-01-05 12:32:37 PM
Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.
 
2013-01-05 12:34:33 PM

theedgeofoblivious: It's not a disease. It's a disorder.


Huh? Do you have Derp Disorder or just Pedant Disorder?

Labels are just labels until a verifiable base cause is discovered, and there could be one, multiple, or even countless causes for a disorder/disease/syndrome/etc. For example....with autism, one potential cause is Fragile X Syndrome, which is for sure a disease. Maybe not curable yet, but a disease nonetheless.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:02 PM

storm16: In 2012, didn't the psychological council or whatever they are called try to rule that biting one's fingernails was a sign of obsessive-compulsive disease, and therefore a mental illness. It sounds like they would prefer to focus on the "easy" customers that they can give a bottle of pills and send on their way...Meanwhile, people like Adam Lanza slip through their rather large cracks...Because who would a therapist rather deal with? A man toting a Bushmaster and not afraid to use it, or a nail-biter?


WTF does the DSM have to do with Adam Lanza not getting the help he needed? That is about the sloppiest broad brush I've ever seen applied around here, and i've been around here a while.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:57 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.


Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.
 
2013-01-05 12:55:32 PM

fisker: Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.

Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.


I'm not insulting anyone. I love weed. I live in Colorado. I thought 'bongoloid' was kind of funny.

Still waiting to meet a militant stoner.
 
2013-01-05 01:03:37 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: fisker: Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.

Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.

I'm not insulting anyone. I love weed. I live in Colorado. I thought 'bongoloid' was kind of funny.

Still waiting to meet a militant stoner.


My best friend is a ginormous stoner, was in Kuwait during the gulf war, has 3 guns, is a member of the NRA, carries a shotgun around in his truck, is a hipster, and loves Obama.

This is the small reality of actually living in Seattle and rednecks across the country can't figure it out. It scares them to death so the only thing they can do is hold dear to their precious little hearts that calling someone a hipster is some form of an insult.
 
2013-01-05 01:25:38 PM
I prefer the title "drama queen" myself.

/never tested
//son was ("high-functioning autistic")
 
2013-01-05 01:32:01 PM

durbnpoisn: My mother's stepson has the Asperger's. The very first time I heard her say the term, I was like, "wait, what is this need to assign a name to the fact that he's awkward teenager?"

I've always disliked the term. Especially since I've seen the evidence of his using "his social shortcomings" as an excuse to expect special treatment.

I swear, his parents coddle him too much. And my mother does too. The dude is 21 now. He acts like he's 17. He hasn't even gotten his driver's license yet. How do they ever expect him to be able to take care of himself if they are always holding his hand?


Good thing you're OK, though.
 
2013-01-05 01:44:57 PM
I'm sure that every farker in here who is hurling scorn and abuse on the Aspies, is in fact, themselves, a marvelously socially gifted social butterfly, who uses all the right social media, and is socially better than everyone else.

That's why they are in Fark on a Saturday, hurling abuse on the disabled.
 
2013-01-05 01:56:08 PM
Well, ASD-Level 1 doesn't have the same ring to it but I think they'll live. Or just call themselves mildly autistic, imagine that.

My nephew has Aspergers, and it is definitely different than autism


my son has it. it's mild autism. fact. end of story

Or your mildly autistic son could have been misdiagnosed.


When smart, middle-class parents have a child who, let's be kind, reverts to the mean, they often look for a diagnosis.

lol, my nephew is FAR from the mean. They were taking him to doctors as early as 3 years old because he was not developing right. The kid is brilliant, but they would prefer if he was normal or even a little slow rather than having to do with panic attacks (not temper tantrums - the kid is terrified) every time they go someplace new, and bizarre fears (Does fear of margarine even have a name?).
 
2013-01-05 01:59:40 PM
So, some people just have stupid crotch fruit. Others make their crotch fruit stupid because they expected them to be.

It is the reason why more wealthy people have problem children than poor people do. They can afford it.
 
2013-01-05 02:06:44 PM

fisker: Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.

By the way. I stand in front of my niece's school all day in a camouflage outfit protecting all the little guys from these types of people.


Given the last sentence, this is important information for you: Aspergers was  comorbid with whatever went wrong with the shooter. 'Comorbid', a term some people don't know, means a disorder existing in the same person, but pretty much unrelated. People with AS are very likely to be comorbid--I'm probably a steryotype with AS and bipolar, that's a common one--but AS itself is actually a highly antiviolent disorder.

What AS feels like is that your empathy is flicked 'on', but everyone's wearing a mask. You hate hurting people. You hate lying. You want to help people everywhere because everyone is a friend you haven't met yet. There's a bit of slowness in your thought process, and a bit of trouble doing things, but most of it is that you really, really love everyone. So if you meet someone with obvious AS while you're guarding your neice's school (it isn't always), you need to expect that a) they will be  very uncomfortable to talk to, especially since you're in a uniform, and they're either going to think you're the most amazing thing ever, be terrified of you, or both; b) If you get upset, so will they, so even if they're totally freaked out, keep your tone even and body language neutral; and c) they will probably try to talk your ear off about some random topic they find fascinating. Just be very calm and help them get back to wherever they were supposed to go.

/The media did not help in the slightest by harping on Asperger's without mentioning that it was a comorbid disorder, and actually it's a bit amazing he was able to pull the trigger at all given his disability.
//But yeah, this is important to know given your job. If you want to read up on other disorders you might end up encountering, don't use Wikipedia, it's utter shiat. Use a family-help site. They're a bit less likely to talk about violence, but they're about twenty times more accurate.
 
2013-01-05 02:11:35 PM

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In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.
 
2013-01-05 02:17:53 PM
Really not trying to be snarky here, but if you can't form relationships and don't understand your personhood in relation to the rest of the world (which seems to be true for true autistics) then are you really human. Yes, some autistics have incredible savant powers but we have computers to do that for us nowadays. So if you understand your personhood then you have an obligation to society to not be a burden and to add something positive. It seems that all of this self diagnoses is an excuse to keep you from fully participating in society. And how sad to limit yourself to the wonders that this world holds. And even sadder that children are being labeled and limited.

/yes, I do understand that some of us play life on hard mode
// you only get one go a round so stop whining and make the most of it
 
2013-01-05 02:18:11 PM

torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

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In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.


What's the condition where people take everything literally?
 
2013-01-05 02:19:55 PM

thamike: Is "social misfits" what we're calling assholes now?


"coonts" was considered discriminatory against female coonts.
 
2013-01-05 02:21:38 PM

PsiChick: fisker: Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.

By the way. I stand in front of my niece's school all day in a camouflage outfit protecting all the little guys from these types of people.

Given the last sentence, this is important information for you: Aspergers was  comorbid with whatever went wrong with the shooter. 'Comorbid', a term some people don't know, means a disorder existing in the same person, but pretty much unrelated. People with AS are very likely to be comorbid--I'm probably a steryotype with AS and bipolar, that's a common one--but AS itself is actually a highly antiviolent disorder.

What AS feels like is that your empathy is flicked 'on', but everyone's wearing a mask. You hate hurting people. You hate lying. You want to help people everywhere because everyone is a friend you haven't met yet. There's a bit of slowness in your thought process, and a bit of trouble doing things, but most of it is that you really, really love everyone. So if you meet someone with obvious AS while you're guarding your neice's school (it isn't always), you need to expect that a) they will be  very uncomfortable to talk to, especially since you're in a uniform, and they're either going to think you're the most amazing thing ever, be terrified of you, or both; b) If you get upset, so will they, so even if they're totally freaked out, keep your tone even and body language neutral; and c) they will probably try to talk your ear off about some random topic they find fascinating. Just be very calm and help them get back to wherever they were supposed to go.

/The media did not help in the slightest by harping on Asperger's without mentioning that it was a comorbid disorder, and actually it's a bit amazing he was able to pull the trigger at all given his disability.
//But yeah, this is i ...


Nice description, hopefully it gets through some of these people's thick skulls in this thread. Why are there so many Fark posts where people are just enraged at people with mental disorders? PsiChick here is trying to generate some sympathy, but she shouldn't have to.

So many others in this thread are so stupidly judgmental at those on the Autism Spectrum. They are hilariously expressing one of the traits of autism itself....DIFFICULTY WITH EMPATHY. I need to more often remember that intelligence is on a bell curve. I guess I always assume that people are generally smarter than they deserve credit for (my career gives a pretty strong bias for really smart people). But actually, there are a LOT more dumbasses in the world than I see from my biased day-to-day sample.

Thanks for a smart post, PsiChick, and I mean it.
 
2013-01-05 02:23:22 PM
 
2013-01-05 02:25:13 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

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In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.

What's the condition where people take everything literally?


Awww. It's OK to have Dumbass Personality Disorder. You're still a person and there is plenty that you can still do with your life.

But I have a secret for you: Being a comedian is not one of those things. If you'd like people to think you're funny, you have to be funny.
 
2013-01-05 02:28:40 PM

Brave: Really not trying to be snarky here, but if you can't form relationships and don't understand your personhood in relation to the rest of the world (which seems to be true for true autistics) then are you really human. Yes, some autistics have incredible savant powers but we have computers to do that for us nowadays. So if you understand your personhood then you have an obligation to society to not be a burden and to add something positive. It seems that all of this self diagnoses is an excuse to keep you from fully participating in society. And how sad to limit yourself to the wonders that this world holds. And even sadder that children are being labeled and limited.


Oh yeah, you're all doing it yourself. Nobody else has any prejudice or contempt, or belittles what you have to deal with. You made a choice. Fark off.
 
2013-01-05 02:30:53 PM

torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

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Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder

In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.

What's the condition where people take everything literally?

Awww. It's OK to have Dumbass Personality Disorder. You're still a person and there is plenty that you can still do with your life.

But I have a secret for you: Being a comedian is not one of those things. If you'd like people to think you're funny, you have to be funny.


You're a regular Don Rickles. Maybe you can show me what humor looks like. With zingers like 'Dumbass Personality Disorder' I'm sure I'll get the hang of it in no time.
 
2013-01-05 02:36:31 PM
Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.
 
2013-01-05 02:46:00 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.


Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.


Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.
 
2013-01-05 02:49:31 PM

torusXL: Nice description, hopefully it gets through some of these people's thick skulls in this thread. Why are there so many Fark posts where people are just enraged at people with mental disorders? PsiChick here is trying to generate some sympathy, but she shouldn't have to.

So many others in this thread are so stupidly judgmental at those on the Autism Spectrum. They are hilariously expressing one of the traits of autism itself....DIFFICULTY WITH EMPATHY. I need to more often remember that intelligence is on a bell curve. I guess I always assume that people are generally smarter than they deserve credit for (my career gives a pretty strong bias for really smart people). But actually, there are a LOT more dumbasses in the world than I see from my biased day-to-day sample.

Thanks for a smart post, PsiChick, and I mean it.


D'aww, thanks. :)

/But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to  understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are  veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p
 
2013-01-05 02:56:23 PM

torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.


I don't think you understand what butthurt means. I will be nice and clear and avoid any kind of simile or analogy.

I suspect you have a cognitive deficit which makes it hard for you to communicate with others.
 
2013-01-05 03:25:47 PM

PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p


So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.

I don't think you understand what butthurt means. I will be nice and clear and avoid any kind of simile or analogy.

I suspect you have a cognitive deficit which makes it hard for you to communicate with others.


Awww, need a tissue?
 
2013-01-05 03:35:50 PM

torusXL: PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p

So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.

I don't think you understand what butthurt means. I will be nice and clear and avoid any kind of simile or analogy.

I suspect you have a cognitive deficit which makes it hard for you to communicate with others.

Awww, need a tissue?


To summarize:

I cracked jokes. You didn't like the jokes. You responded with an insult. I tried to stay playful. You continued to be insulting. I quit being playful.

You're a guy on the internet that for some reason thinks he's used his rapier wit to hurt my feelings. Congratulations for failing so well.
 
2013-01-05 03:39:30 PM

torusXL: PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p

So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?


No, the empathy problem is more in the literal sense. We can't face-read, specifically, and some of us can't read tone or body language. We  care about what you're thinking and feeling, but we don't  know what you're thinking and feeling.

For other people, it's the other way around: They  know what people are thinking and feeling, but they don't  care.

/That might be simpler...I is wordy today. :p
 
2013-01-05 03:57:19 PM

PsiChick: So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

No, the empathy problem is more in the literal sense. We can't face-read, specifically, and some of us can't read tone or body language. We care about what you're thinking and feeling, but we don't know what you're thinking and feeling.

For other people, it's the other way around: They know what people are thinking and feeling, but they don't care.

/That might be simpler...I is wordy today. :p


I see, thanks for describing it.

Uranus Is Huge!: Awww, need a tissue?

To summarize:

I cracked jokes. You didn't like the jokes. You responded with an insult. I tried to stay playful. You continued to be insulting. I quit being playful.

You're a guy on the internet that for some reason thinks he's used his rapier wit to hurt my feelings. Congratulations for failing so well.


Sorry dude, I'm out of tissues here.
 
2013-01-05 04:04:19 PM
isn't mental illness only for people who are unemployed? once you get a job you stop worrying about whether it takes u 2 or 3 seconds to eat a slice of pizza
 
2013-01-05 04:24:45 PM
Meh. Once an ass-burger always an ass-burger.
 
2013-01-05 04:40:54 PM

NotARocketScientist: (Does fear of margarine even have a name?)


Taste.
 
2013-01-05 04:53:11 PM
I prefer to call it the creative or Inventor's Mind.
 
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