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(Today)   Now that the term "Asperger's Syndrome" will soon cease to exist, some who claim to have the disease fear the hours of internet research they'll have to do to self-diagnose a new disorder to explain the fact that they're just social misfits   (today.com) divider line 169
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2013-01-05 09:00:50 AM
there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen
 
2013-01-05 09:07:44 AM

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.


Which is exactly why I don't give a fark about this whole thing.

I have a diagnosis of AS. I will be keeping that diagnosis, because my country does not use the DSM for official DXs.

Having said that - the ND community is actually in favour of this. People with existing diagnoses of AS will be grandfathered in, and it should make access to services easier - because it's downright farking impossible sometimes for adults, because nobody acknowledges we exist.

It might also, hopefully, break this fad of people saying they have AS and using it as an excuse to be an asshat. I am disabled - I have panic attacks when I'm in unfamiliar places or situations, or when somebody asks me an unexpected question. I have co-morbids. People with a self-DX are often just looking for an excuse to be a prick. Not always - I've met a few people who genuinely are on the spectrum but only have a self-DX for whatever reason, but far too often.
When your neurotype is becoming a byword for brat, bad behaviour and general asshole...there's a problem.
 
2013-01-05 09:09:25 AM
Jeffrey Cohen must be very distraught right now.
 
2013-01-05 09:12:30 AM
I can understand why they wouldn't want to be lumped together. My son has a neurological disorder that has caused partial paralysis on his left side, occasional seizures, and some learning difficulties. Most people with this disorder are wheelchair-bound, have constant seizures, and are profoundly retarded. Guess who gets all the support groups, valuable information, etc.?

Yes, I know my son is extremely lucky- all things considered. However, by lumping together an entire spectrum, he doesn't receive the benefits of research and support that more serious cases receive.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:12 AM
"You hear people say things like, 'I don't want to be associated with people who can't talk or need attendant care or wear diapers.' I find that attitude despicable."

Said the carer of the nappy wearing doctor whilst he drooled and crapped himself.

Nobody with a high IQ wants to be bunched up with the window lickers, happy rocking people and nappy wearing wheelchair cases. Its just insulting.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:26 AM

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.

Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders. It's going to turn out that in a lot of cases, distinct diagnoses turn out to be different manifestations of a single underlying problem; while other common diagnoses turn out to be several different disorders that happen to have similar external manifestations.

And in the future we're going to look back on the last half-century of psychiatric diagnosis and practice with the same disdain that many people regard the half-century before that.


Let's play "Guess who's the Scientologist."
 
2013-01-05 09:20:56 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen


Switching to a color safe, non-chlorine bleach may help.
 
2013-01-05 09:24:01 AM

dready zim: Nobody with a high IQ wants to be bunched up with the window lickers, happy rocking people and nappy wearing wheelchair cases. Its just insulting.


Even though it may not be PC, I agree wholeheartedly.
 
2013-01-05 09:25:04 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen


I don't know. I'm sure there are girls out there that would think that was hot.
 
2013-01-05 09:25:43 AM

abhorrent1: Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen

I don't know. I'm sure there are girls out there that would think that was hot.


then it must be the fact i'm overweight and bald
 
2013-01-05 09:30:26 AM

dready zim: window lickers, happy rocking people and nappy wearing wheelchair cases


What in the fyck are these things?
 
2013-01-05 09:35:04 AM
I think I must have Asperger's because I couldn't make it through that headline in one reading. Sheesh subby...
 
2013-01-05 09:37:34 AM
The internet has done wonders for those who want to be sick but are not committed enough to go to the library to look up their "symptoms".

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-01-05 09:37:56 AM
They keep getting further from the specificity of an actual diagnosis and clumping more "I don't know what's really wrong, but here's what we're going to call you" diseases into the same category.

A category we used to call "strange" or "retarded". But we can't use those words anymore. Oh no, we're supposed to have a diagnosis for our problems. Well, buddy, lemme tell you your final diagnosis: Human. It comes in a wide spectrum of mental states and pathologies and responds to a spectrum of drugs and treatments. I recommend getting hammered or stoned.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:01 AM
I have an official diagnosis. For me it is the understanding of my quirkiness not an excuse to go ignore social rules. I got the label early around age 6 before it was the dx of the week. Normally i am quiet about having it and will have to know someone pretty well before i discuss having Aspeger's. In school i had the fun time of both being in gifted class and being label special ed. For the most part i am the quirky guy that is working on learning all the silly social rules.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:08 AM

PBPeyronie: The internet has done wonders for those who want to be sick but are not committed enough to go to the library to look up their "symptoms".

Thanks, Obama.


Wrong democrat. It's Clinton/Gores fault.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:32 AM

MarshWoman: I can understand why they wouldn't want to be lumped together. My son has a neurological disorder that has caused partial paralysis on his left side, occasional seizures, and some learning difficulties. Most people with this disorder are wheelchair-bound, have constant seizures, and are profoundly retarded. Guess who gets all the support groups, valuable information, etc.?

Yes, I know my son is extremely lucky- all things considered. However, by lumping together an entire spectrum, he doesn't receive the benefits of research and support that more serious cases receive.


I go through the same thing when I have to tell my boss or new girlfriends about my disorder.

me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks
 
2013-01-05 09:40:01 AM

itsajungleboy: I think I must have Asperger's because I couldn't make it through that headline in one reading. Sheesh subby...


No, I'm sorry to tell you that you have trendy disorder of the 90s: ADD, or better yet, ADHD. You do not have the current trendy disorder.
 
2013-01-05 09:40:35 AM

lewismarktwo: whizbangthedirtfarmer: My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house

Wait, he's got a girlfriend?


Ignatius & Myrna, redux.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:42 AM

thamike: RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.

Yeah, remember when absolutely  nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder?  It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.


Yeah, I'm sure that it wasn't the other way around

/DSM caught up to reality on that one
 
2013-01-05 09:51:55 AM

lynxi: I have an official diagnosis. For me it is the understanding of my quirkiness not an excuse to go ignore social rules. I got the label early around age 6 before it was the dx of the week. Normally i am quiet about having it and will have to know someone pretty well before i discuss having Aspeger's. In school i had the fun time of both being in gifted class and being label special ed. For the most part i am the quirky guy that is working on learning all the silly social rules.


one of my therapists looked at my file and told me I might have Asperger's. Sadly, it made me mad more than anything. Partly it was the fact that it would invalidate twenty years of psychological treatment, tests, therapy, medications, etc. And it was in the middle of the boom of people self-diagnosing themselves on MySpace and giving themselves a blank check to be assholes to people while saying, "it's okay, I have Asperger's." So being told I "probably" have the disease they were making fun of on South Park that week, and being told by a pre-med free counselor, didn't help.
 
2013-01-05 09:57:21 AM

TheHappyCanadian: I go through the same thing when I have to tell my boss or new girlfriends about my disorder.

me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks


Anyone can get diagnosed with those things if they know the symptoms. Read the symptoms, go to the doctor, tell him you have those symptoms, done. Diagnosed.
 
2013-01-05 09:58:55 AM

Double Time: TheHappyCanadian: I go through the same thing when I have to tell my boss or new girlfriends about my disorder.

me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks

Anyone can get diagnosed with those things if they know the symptoms. Read the symptoms, go to the doctor, tell him you have those symptoms, done. Diagnosed.


that makes me sad :(
 
2013-01-05 10:03:00 AM

DrPainMD: FTA: "Possessing an IQ of 140..."

I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

FTA: "I don't call it disabled. I call it differently-abled."

Someone needs to punch her in the head. Real hard.


You sound aspergery
 
2013-01-05 10:07:44 AM

Baron Harkonnen: As a social misfit who's also a bit of an asshole, I find this very depressing news.


You'll get over it.
 
2013-01-05 10:11:08 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: abhorrent1: Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen

I don't know. I'm sure there are girls out there that would think that was hot.

then it must be the fact i'm overweight and bald


I think you may be on to something there...
 
2013-01-05 10:17:37 AM

mybulkaddress: I feel this method should explored more to see if it can be applied to other "conditions."

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That just makes it worse. You don't give someone with a social disorder more reason to withdraw from society.
 
2013-01-05 10:18:00 AM

Fano: thamike: RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.

Yeah, remember when absolutely  nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder?  It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.

Yeah, I'm sure that it wasn't the other way around

/DSM caught up to reality on that one


You must have Sarcasm Detector Defficiency Syndrome.  SDDS, while common, can lead to serious Social Awkwardness Syndrome, the only cure for which is apparently Televised Murder-Suicide Treatment.
 
2013-01-05 10:19:20 AM
Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.
 
2013-01-05 10:24:26 AM

thamike: Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.


Look how cool and edgy you are.
 
2013-01-05 10:24:54 AM

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.

Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders. It's going to turn out that in a lot of cases, distinct diagnoses turn out to be different manifestations of a single underlying problem; while other common diagnoses turn out to be several different disorders that happen to have similar external manifestations.

And in the future we're going to look back on the last half-century of psychiatric diagnosis and practice with the same disdain that many people regard the half-century before that.


My favorite new addition is you now have two weeks to mourn a loved one. After that you are clinically depressed. We need to stop being special and use the ICD like the rest of the world.
 
2013-01-05 10:30:00 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Let's play "Guess who's the Scientologist."


I'm glad I wasn't the only one with that thought.


/Though, in hindsight, I may have been a little glib.
 
2013-01-05 10:33:45 AM

RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.


Yeah, but now you can tweak the parents a bit by saying "They said Asperger's isn't a thing now", then watch their faces twitch.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:41 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house


What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-01-05 10:36:45 AM
esthersuantak.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-05 10:43:05 AM

fisker: thamike: Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.

Look how cool and edgy you are.


Are these qualities you find crucial in your pursuit of an identity?
 
2013-01-05 10:44:24 AM
It's comical how many here have replied that they have this, but have not been formally diagnosed. It pretty much just proves every "self-diagnosed asshole" comment true.
 
2013-01-05 10:47:43 AM
My son has Aspergers. I really wouldn't give a shiat about diagnosing him but the school needed it just to allow the kid some leeway in the very rigid schedule in class. He just needed the option of sitting and reading at his desk sometimes when class gets too much. Almost took an order of Congress to do it. I don't think if the self-diagnosed people were ever around actual Aspergers people they would still think its about being an asshole. Socially akward sure but its nit assholish its not knowing any better.

He's declared himself a Ravens fan and hates the Redskins. So he says before they play each other, " I'm going to initiate a hostile take over of the Redskins. Once I am a majority owner I'm going borrow money and sell off assets to lower their stock value until they have to declare chapter 11. They'll be a defunct organization and Ill sell the franchise rights to some other state. I won't have to see then play anymore." This kid is 7.

"You know you can just say you don't like them and yell loud for the Ravens. Right?"

"No. That's not good enough." He also runs out of e room holding his ears when Empire Carpet commercials come on.
 
2013-01-05 10:50:22 AM

Shyla: It's comical how many here have replied that they have this, but have not been formally diagnosed. It pretty much just proves every "self-diagnosed asshole" comment true.


It's gotten to the point where "ADHD" is a preemptive excuse to treat a coworker like an asshole.   People brag about it.  It's become not just an explanation for gigantic gaps and shortages in their resume, but a badge of honor and the reason why education and experience are obsolete and unnecessary.
 
2013-01-05 10:50:48 AM
my son has it. it's mild autism. fact. end of story. I really don't understand the point of removing the classification if it still is considered to exist. it'll just be harder to explain when it comes up because the average Joe has one idea for what autism is when the fact is there's a huge range.

doesn't bother me. but I fully understand why it bothers others
 
2013-01-05 10:51:51 AM

Gwendolyn: My son has Aspergers. I really wouldn't give a shiat about diagnosing him but the school needed it just to allow the kid some leeway in the very rigid schedule in class. He just needed the option of sitting and reading at his desk sometimes when class gets too much. Almost took an order of Congress to do it. I don't think if the self-diagnosed people were ever around actual Aspergers people they would still think its about being an asshole. Socially akward sure but its nit assholish its not knowing any better.

He's declared himself a Ravens fan and hates the Redskins. So he says before they play each other, " I'm going to initiate a hostile take over of the Redskins. Once I am a majority owner I'm going borrow money and sell off assets to lower their stock value until they have to declare chapter 11. They'll be a defunct organization and Ill sell the franchise rights to some other state. I won't have to see then play anymore." This kid is 7.

"You know you can just say you don't like them and yell loud for the Ravens. Right?"

"No. That's not good enough." He also runs out of e room holding his ears when Empire Carpet commercials come on.


Sounds more like he's just Calvin.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:20 AM
Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

Unrecognized Genius, Undiagnosed Aspergers, Agoraphobia, Gynophobia,

Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder
 
2013-01-05 10:55:45 AM

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


Except there's no drug for Aspergers.

czetie: ...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.


Normal doesn't mean it's not a problem for the patient, nor that it's wrong to give a name to it. After all, we have "grieving" in English, is it wrong for there to be a medical definition of it??

Furthermore, I agree with what they have done with Aspergers. The problem is that the line between Aspergers and autism is too fuzzy. Generally Aspergers is on the mild end of the spectrum and autism is on the deeper end but there is full overlap. It's much better to sort it out by the degree of impairment which is what they are doing under DSM-V.

What I do object to is that they have actually clipped out the lower range of Aspergers. The people like me that are able to function in society but would have benefited from some training on the social issues. Just because it's not disabling in an economic sense doesn't mean it's not an issue for us.
 
2013-01-05 11:02:20 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. AllNo members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:
Unrecognized Genius, Undiagnosed Aspergers, Agoraphobia, Gynophobia,
Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder

Pussification, Nanny State Libby Lib Libness, Cultural Elitism, Derp Avoidance, Non-Bootstrappy Social Delusion, Gunophobia, Corporate Defiant Disorder, Anti-Authoritarian Infantilism, Toxic Common Sense

 
2013-01-05 11:04:42 AM

Loren: What I do object to is that they have actually clipped out the lower range of Aspergers. The people like me that are able to function in society but would have benefited from some training on the social issues. Just because it's not disabling in an economic sense doesn't mean it's not an issue for us.


Yes, but the way the DSM works is with a set of diagnostic criteria.  If someone exhibits a symptom more than their neighbor but less than the criteria, maybe that person is just a little awkward. Just because someone has issues doesn't make it an immediate medical diagnosis.  Once it does, then what's the purpose of a mental health profession?  If we're going to look at science through a philosophical/political lense, we might as well all become Scientologists until the last of the People Who Know We're Full of Sh*t die off.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:00 AM
I understand the Louvre had an exhibition of great art done by people who were completely normal. It only lasted a week, though. The custodians needed the closet space again for their floor buffer.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:35 AM

DrPainMD: FTA: "Possessing an IQ of 140..."

I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

FTA: "I don't call it disabled. I call it differently-abled."

Someone needs to punch her in the head. Real hard.


I'm with you.
I also think they need to factor-in a few more questions/processes in the IQ test. Ones such as:
1. Can you ride a bike?
2. Can you tie your own shoes?
3. Do you feel like stealing some guns?
4. Do you feel the need to commit mass murder?
 
2013-01-05 11:06:50 AM
CSS: I have a child with Kanners Autism. He talks now but before therapy he was pretty bad. Anyhow met this great frien on fark and last night we were all hanging out at the bar. We started sharing and it comes out that when they first met my dude he said "Why are your eyes so slitty (he's Chinese)?" and "You are sooo big (she's a larger girl." Neither told me until now, neither were offended and laughed that I was mortified.

No reason for this post, just that some farkers are amazing.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:50 AM
Nope no drugs just lots of therapy for social social skills. My kid has been seeing a therapist for the last year and a half. Of course he would only see a hot young blonde, but at least we found one who knows what she is doing. He's much better. Of course he's always been social. It's just about learning that other seven year olds don't want to have 2 hour discussions about the history of Macy's Department Stores.
 
2013-01-05 11:25:45 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

Unrecognized Genius, Undiagnosed Aspergers, Agoraphobia, Gynophobia,

Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder


I farkin hate Adderall but need it every day.

/narcolepsy
 
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