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(Today)   Now that the term "Asperger's Syndrome" will soon cease to exist, some who claim to have the disease fear the hours of internet research they'll have to do to self-diagnose a new disorder to explain the fact that they're just social misfits   (today.com) divider line 168
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2013-01-05 07:38:59 AM  
Is "social misfits" what we're calling assholes now?
 
2013-01-05 07:44:31 AM  
Well, ASD-Level 1 doesn't have the same ring to it but I think they'll live. Or just call themselves mildly autistic, imagine that.

/never diagnosed
//so I will go on with social misfit and asshole
 
2013-01-05 07:45:35 AM  
Excuse to shoot up schools.
 
2013-01-05 07:45:43 AM  
No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.
 
2013-01-05 07:47:09 AM  
FTA: "Possessing an IQ of 140..."

I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

FTA: "I don't call it disabled. I call it differently-abled."

Someone needs to punch her in the head. Real hard.
 
2013-01-05 07:47:27 AM  
I feel this method should explored more to see if it can be applied to other "conditions."

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2013-01-05 07:49:27 AM  
When I hear the term "Aspergers Syndrome", why do I think of the burger I ate the night before and the poor pocessabilty the next morning?
 
2013-01-05 07:50:07 AM  
Damn... should *be* explored more.
 
2013-01-05 07:50:48 AM  
It's not a disease. It's a disorder.
 
2013-01-05 07:50:49 AM  
My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house
 
2013-01-05 07:52:42 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: //yes, holidays are fun at our house


The concept of fun must be even more subjective than I thought.
 
2013-01-05 07:52:46 AM  

DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.


Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.
 
2013-01-05 07:53:30 AM  
For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.
 
2013-01-05 07:58:17 AM  
As someone who would have been diagnosed with Aspergers and who had to figure out how to participate in society anyway, I approve of the headline
 
2013-01-05 08:00:28 AM  

fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.


No, they are odd because they have trouble conversing like normal, stare at the ground a lot, and have trouble with social situations.

Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.
 
2013-01-05 08:01:18 AM  
Wow. Deborah Knutesen sounds like a bitter old shrew. Sorry your kid's a retard, lady. Doesn't give you an excuse to be a b*tch.
 
2013-01-05 08:01:47 AM  

RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.


It's like expecting everyone to say Myocardial Infarction instead of heart attack. Not gonna happen.
 
2013-01-05 08:03:54 AM  
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RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.


Seriously crazy considering that I control reality.
 
2013-01-05 08:05:13 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house


Wait, he's got a girlfriend?
 
2013-01-05 08:05:15 AM  

fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.


And they neither text nor tweet. They use their phones to, get this, talk and listen to people.

It's quite sad, that degree of social retardation. . . .
 
2013-01-05 08:05:23 AM  

bulldg4life: fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.

No, they are odd because they have trouble conversing like normal, stare at the ground a lot, and have trouble with social situations.

Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.


Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.

By the way. I stand in front of my niece's school all day in a camouflage outfit protecting all the little guys from these types of people.
 
2013-01-05 08:07:01 AM  

reillan: As someone who would have been diagnosed with Aspergers and who had to figure out how to participate in society anyway, I approve of the headline


This.  Not that it's remotely the same mind you, but my brother, sister and I all are children of a SpEd teacher who are, at the very least, totally ADD (with a little OCD thrown in for fun).  None of us were ever "diagnosed" as such, but we're all very much aware that we need to do things differently than other people.

\Henry Winkler was considered a goof-off and a class clown in school...because he had dyslexia.
\\Our need for reason has got us to the world of diagnosis of everything, yet no one has bothered to mention we still have to live with said diagnoses.
 
2013-01-05 08:07:28 AM  

RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.


Yeah, remember when absolutely  nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder?  It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.
 
2013-01-05 08:07:48 AM  

fisker: bulldg4life: fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.

No, they are odd because they have trouble conversing like normal, stare at the ground a lot, and have trouble with social situations.

Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.



It's wonderful how it has now become a sign of mental disease to NOT want to vomit all your personal details and information out there for everyone to see.

/not necessarily talking about your post, but I've seen other articles making this very point.
 
2013-01-05 08:11:23 AM  

fisker: bulldg4life: fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.

No, they are odd because they have trouble conversing like normal, stare at the ground a lot, and have trouble with social situations.

Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.

By the way. I stand in front of my niece's school all day in a camouflage outfit protecting all the little guys from these types of people.


Camoflauge in front of a school? Do you dress like a school bus or something?
 
2013-01-05 08:11:40 AM  

lewismarktwo: whizbangthedirtfarmer: My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house

Wait, he's got a girlfriend?


He's got somebody who has moved in with his mother. They don't have sex, apparently, because having Asperger's prevents them from forming relationships. It says so on the internet. The word is still out on mooching off of a retiree.
 
2013-01-05 08:11:54 AM  
I was diagnosed with asperger's syndrome when I was only around 6 years old. I've met some people in my life who fit the stereotype perfectly. In fact, oddly enough, there was an ARTHUR episode about aspeger's: youtube link

There are people who completely lack social skills and need to learn them manually. And there's those who actually go out and socialize. I personally never understood the connection to autism at all. In some cases, sure, I can sort of get where they're coming from, but the diagnosis itself seems incomplete.
 
2013-01-05 08:12:30 AM  
Hmm...looks like I got the right letters in the wrong order. I'm dyslexic, it's fine.
 
2013-01-05 08:13:20 AM  

bulldg4life: Camoflauge in front of a school? Do you dress like a school bus or something?


No.

I'm an unemployed Iraq war vet with nothing better to do. People call me a hero.
 
2013-01-05 08:14:56 AM  
thamike: Yeah, remember when absolutely nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder? It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.

A) Not comparable. You can bring up as many orthogonal examples as you like, but it doesn't have any bearing on my point, which

B) You're intentionally missing.

If you think I'm honestly wrong, and magically now "the term 'Asperger's Syndrome' will soon cease to exist", fine, stand up and say so.

Personally, while I think a change in the official view of dopa / focus issues is a good idea, I don't think the new ranking, which intrinsically suggests that they're essentially differences of degree even though it's been established that neurologically they are not, is a good one. But that wasn't my point, either. As I'm sure you could tell.
 
2013-01-05 08:14:58 AM  
Assigning a mental diagnoses to dead people is like baptizing dead people.
 
2013-01-05 08:15:48 AM  
As a social misfit who's also a bit of an asshole, I find this very depressing news.
 
2013-01-05 08:18:45 AM  

markfara: fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.

And they neither text nor tweet. They use their phones to, get this, talk and listen to people.

It's quite sad, that degree of social retardation. . . .


This was back in the 1960s. Nobody texted or tweeted.
 
2013-01-05 08:20:25 AM  
Yeah, the APA really know what they're doing with this crap.

/Actually diagnosed formally.
 
2013-01-05 08:20:29 AM  

DrPainMD: markfara: fisker: DrPainMD: I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

Do they avoid Facebook and hate movies like Twilight and The Avengers?

Let me guess. They are odd and they don't fit in because they don't have an iPhone.

And they neither text nor tweet. They use their phones to, get this, talk and listen to people.

It's quite sad, that degree of social retardation. . . .

This was back in the 1960s. Nobody texted or tweeted.


You mean everybody in the 60's had Asperger's?

Fark
 
2013-01-05 08:21:24 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Assigning a mental diagnoses to dead people is like baptizing dead people.


Baptize me

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2013-01-05 08:22:11 AM  
Cool- worked in mental health when this was this disease of the week. Had never heard of it, then suddenly everyone had it.


It is the planking/teebowing/gangnam-shiat of psychiatry.
 
2013-01-05 08:22:19 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yeah, the APA really know what they're doing with this crap.

/Actually diagnosed formally.


Hey, I'd trust Ron Simmons and Bradshaw with my Psychiatric diagnoses any day.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-05 08:22:24 AM  

bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.


...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.

Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders. It's going to turn out that in a lot of cases, distinct diagnoses turn out to be different manifestations of a single underlying problem; while other common diagnoses turn out to be several different disorders that happen to have similar external manifestations.

And in the future we're going to look back on the last half-century of psychiatric diagnosis and practice with the same disdain that many people regard the half-century before that.
 
2013-01-05 08:25:18 AM  

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.


Actually, yeah. I've seen where grieving is now a mental illness, and it's bullshiat. I also think Aspergers is probably a valid disorder. However, it's also the Kim Kardashian of psychiatric disorders... everyone has it, and it's all over the place, especially if you go on the internet looking for it.
 
2013-01-05 08:28:44 AM  

RandomAxe: thamike: Yeah, remember when absolutely nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder? It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.

A) Not comparable. You can bring up as many orthogonal examples as you like, but it doesn't have any bearing on my point, which

B) You're intentionally missing.

If you think I'm honestly wrong, and magically now "the term 'Asperger's Syndrome' will soon cease to exist", fine, stand up and say so.

Personally, while I think a change in the official view of dopa / focus issues is a good idea, I don't think the new ranking, which intrinsically suggests that they're essentially differences of degree even though it's been established that neurologically they are not, is a good one. But that wasn't my point, either. As I'm sure you could tell.


I assumed whatever point you were making was meant to be reflected by your statement:

RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.

While the first sentence is irrelevant--that people will call it what they want.  The second sentence implies that the reason some people will use whatever the trending nomenclature is despite its accuracy is due to the relative triviality of the DSM.  The third sentence bolsters that oddly self incriminating assertion with a preemptive accusation meant as humor but resonating as nervous laughter upon examination.

And now you would like me to support an assertion I never made.  What does the DSM call your disorder?
 
2013-01-05 08:29:06 AM  

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.

Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders. It's going to turn out that in a lot of cases, distinct diagnoses turn out to be different manifestations of a single underlying problem; while other common diagnoses turn out to be several different disorders that happen to have similar external manifestations.

And in the future we're going to look back on the last half-century of psychiatric diagnosis and practice with the same disdain that many people regard the half-century before that.


No- mental health pros actually READ and understand how the DSM works. If 5 of 7 symptoms need to be present....


....then again, there was that whole dissociative identity disorder debacle.
 
2013-01-05 08:41:36 AM  
Asperger's (and social/mental disabilities in general) is always an excellent reminder that I am not "owed" respect, or courtesy, or compassion, or decency; that my right to have a face ends where your swinging fist connects.
 
2013-01-05 08:47:46 AM  
They could always lump themselves in with the crazy autists so people think they'll go shoot up malls, theaters and grad schools.

There's probably more attention to be obtained that way.
 
2013-01-05 08:49:01 AM  
My mother's stepson has the Asperger's. The very first time I heard her say the term, I was like, "wait, what is this need to assign a name to the fact that he's awkward teenager?"

I've always disliked the term. Especially since I've seen the evidence of his using "his social shortcomings" as an excuse to expect special treatment.

I swear, his parents coddle him too much. And my mother does too. The dude is 21 now. He acts like he's 17. He hasn't even gotten his driver's license yet. How do they ever expect him to be able to take care of himself if they are always holding his hand?
 
2013-01-05 08:52:12 AM  
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2013-01-05 08:52:33 AM  
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-01-05 08:53:02 AM  

abhorrent1: RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.

It's like expecting everyone to say Myocardial Infarction instead of heart attack. Not gonna happen.


They try this every so often with different conditions. It never takes, professionals and sufferers continue to use the same nomenclature, and it goes back to being called what everyone freakin' called it in the first place.
 
2013-01-05 08:55:22 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: However, it's also the Kim Kardashian of psychiatric disorders... everyone has it, and it's all over the place, especially if you go on the internet looking for it.


This. When smart, middle-class parents have a child who, let's be kind, reverts to the mean, they often look for a diagnosis. In my generation it was "dyslexia", which was suddenly rampant. And of course, in exactly the same way, this doesn't diminish the fact that there are people who really do have dyslexia, and that it often goes under-diagnoses. Which brings us neatly to...

filter: No- mental health pros actually READ and understand how the DSM works. If 5 of 7 symptoms need to be present....


...the problem with psychiatric diagnosis right there. It depends on externally-observed symptoms, often vague, often subjective, often required to be present to a certain degree (the words "clinically significant" or "pervasive" turn up a lot, with no objective definitions) and to persist over an extended period of time, sometimes self-reported, to be considered a symptom, and in many cases the weasel get-out clause at the end "and it's not some other equally vaguely defined disorder". Is it any wonder that "mental health pros actually read and understand how the DSM works" and still regularly can't agree on a diagnosis, let alone the most effective form of treatment?

For example, here's the DSM-IV criteria for Asperger's. The very first word is "Qualitative", and the entire diagnosis is subjective. Do some people clearly have Asperger's? Yes. Do a lot more people fall into a grey area where "mental health pros" will reasonably disagree where 2, 3 or more symptoms are present or absent? Also yes.

/I was in therapy for a while. Then I quit and got a proper job.
 
2013-01-05 08:57:16 AM  

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


Wanna know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2013-01-05 09:00:50 AM  
there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen
 
2013-01-05 09:07:44 AM  

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.


Which is exactly why I don't give a fark about this whole thing.

I have a diagnosis of AS. I will be keeping that diagnosis, because my country does not use the DSM for official DXs.

Having said that - the ND community is actually in favour of this. People with existing diagnoses of AS will be grandfathered in, and it should make access to services easier - because it's downright farking impossible sometimes for adults, because nobody acknowledges we exist.

It might also, hopefully, break this fad of people saying they have AS and using it as an excuse to be an asshat. I am disabled - I have panic attacks when I'm in unfamiliar places or situations, or when somebody asks me an unexpected question. I have co-morbids. People with a self-DX are often just looking for an excuse to be a prick. Not always - I've met a few people who genuinely are on the spectrum but only have a self-DX for whatever reason, but far too often.
When your neurotype is becoming a byword for brat, bad behaviour and general asshole...there's a problem.
 
2013-01-05 09:09:25 AM  
Jeffrey Cohen must be very distraught right now.
 
2013-01-05 09:12:30 AM  
I can understand why they wouldn't want to be lumped together. My son has a neurological disorder that has caused partial paralysis on his left side, occasional seizures, and some learning difficulties. Most people with this disorder are wheelchair-bound, have constant seizures, and are profoundly retarded. Guess who gets all the support groups, valuable information, etc.?

Yes, I know my son is extremely lucky- all things considered. However, by lumping together an entire spectrum, he doesn't receive the benefits of research and support that more serious cases receive.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:12 AM  
"You hear people say things like, 'I don't want to be associated with people who can't talk or need attendant care or wear diapers.' I find that attitude despicable."

Said the carer of the nappy wearing doctor whilst he drooled and crapped himself.

Nobody with a high IQ wants to be bunched up with the window lickers, happy rocking people and nappy wearing wheelchair cases. Its just insulting.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:26 AM  

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.

Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders. It's going to turn out that in a lot of cases, distinct diagnoses turn out to be different manifestations of a single underlying problem; while other common diagnoses turn out to be several different disorders that happen to have similar external manifestations.

And in the future we're going to look back on the last half-century of psychiatric diagnosis and practice with the same disdain that many people regard the half-century before that.


Let's play "Guess who's the Scientologist."
 
2013-01-05 09:20:56 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen


Switching to a color safe, non-chlorine bleach may help.
 
2013-01-05 09:24:01 AM  

dready zim: Nobody with a high IQ wants to be bunched up with the window lickers, happy rocking people and nappy wearing wheelchair cases. Its just insulting.


Even though it may not be PC, I agree wholeheartedly.
 
2013-01-05 09:25:04 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen


I don't know. I'm sure there are girls out there that would think that was hot.
 
2013-01-05 09:25:43 AM  

abhorrent1: Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen

I don't know. I'm sure there are girls out there that would think that was hot.


then it must be the fact i'm overweight and bald
 
2013-01-05 09:30:26 AM  

dready zim: window lickers, happy rocking people and nappy wearing wheelchair cases


What in the fyck are these things?
 
2013-01-05 09:35:04 AM  
I think I must have Asperger's because I couldn't make it through that headline in one reading. Sheesh subby...
 
2013-01-05 09:37:34 AM  
The internet has done wonders for those who want to be sick but are not committed enough to go to the library to look up their "symptoms".

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-01-05 09:37:56 AM  
They keep getting further from the specificity of an actual diagnosis and clumping more "I don't know what's really wrong, but here's what we're going to call you" diseases into the same category.

A category we used to call "strange" or "retarded". But we can't use those words anymore. Oh no, we're supposed to have a diagnosis for our problems. Well, buddy, lemme tell you your final diagnosis: Human. It comes in a wide spectrum of mental states and pathologies and responds to a spectrum of drugs and treatments. I recommend getting hammered or stoned.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:01 AM  
I have an official diagnosis. For me it is the understanding of my quirkiness not an excuse to go ignore social rules. I got the label early around age 6 before it was the dx of the week. Normally i am quiet about having it and will have to know someone pretty well before i discuss having Aspeger's. In school i had the fun time of both being in gifted class and being label special ed. For the most part i am the quirky guy that is working on learning all the silly social rules.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:08 AM  

PBPeyronie: The internet has done wonders for those who want to be sick but are not committed enough to go to the library to look up their "symptoms".

Thanks, Obama.


Wrong democrat. It's Clinton/Gores fault.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:32 AM  

MarshWoman: I can understand why they wouldn't want to be lumped together. My son has a neurological disorder that has caused partial paralysis on his left side, occasional seizures, and some learning difficulties. Most people with this disorder are wheelchair-bound, have constant seizures, and are profoundly retarded. Guess who gets all the support groups, valuable information, etc.?

Yes, I know my son is extremely lucky- all things considered. However, by lumping together an entire spectrum, he doesn't receive the benefits of research and support that more serious cases receive.


I go through the same thing when I have to tell my boss or new girlfriends about my disorder.

me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks
 
2013-01-05 09:40:01 AM  

itsajungleboy: I think I must have Asperger's because I couldn't make it through that headline in one reading. Sheesh subby...


No, I'm sorry to tell you that you have trendy disorder of the 90s: ADD, or better yet, ADHD. You do not have the current trendy disorder.
 
2013-01-05 09:40:35 AM  

lewismarktwo: whizbangthedirtfarmer: My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house

Wait, he's got a girlfriend?


Ignatius & Myrna, redux.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:42 AM  

thamike: RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.

Yeah, remember when absolutely  nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder?  It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.


Yeah, I'm sure that it wasn't the other way around

/DSM caught up to reality on that one
 
2013-01-05 09:51:55 AM  

lynxi: I have an official diagnosis. For me it is the understanding of my quirkiness not an excuse to go ignore social rules. I got the label early around age 6 before it was the dx of the week. Normally i am quiet about having it and will have to know someone pretty well before i discuss having Aspeger's. In school i had the fun time of both being in gifted class and being label special ed. For the most part i am the quirky guy that is working on learning all the silly social rules.


one of my therapists looked at my file and told me I might have Asperger's. Sadly, it made me mad more than anything. Partly it was the fact that it would invalidate twenty years of psychological treatment, tests, therapy, medications, etc. And it was in the middle of the boom of people self-diagnosing themselves on MySpace and giving themselves a blank check to be assholes to people while saying, "it's okay, I have Asperger's." So being told I "probably" have the disease they were making fun of on South Park that week, and being told by a pre-med free counselor, didn't help.
 
2013-01-05 09:52:53 AM  

reillan: As someone who would have been diagnosed with Aspergers and who had to figure out how to participate in society anyway, I approve of the headline


Well that's a relief... I was worried we would have to call the publisher & change the headline.
 
2013-01-05 09:57:21 AM  

TheHappyCanadian: I go through the same thing when I have to tell my boss or new girlfriends about my disorder.

me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks


Anyone can get diagnosed with those things if they know the symptoms. Read the symptoms, go to the doctor, tell him you have those symptoms, done. Diagnosed.
 
2013-01-05 09:58:55 AM  

Double Time: TheHappyCanadian: I go through the same thing when I have to tell my boss or new girlfriends about my disorder.

me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks

Anyone can get diagnosed with those things if they know the symptoms. Read the symptoms, go to the doctor, tell him you have those symptoms, done. Diagnosed.


that makes me sad :(
 
2013-01-05 10:03:00 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "Possessing an IQ of 140..."

I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

FTA: "I don't call it disabled. I call it differently-abled."

Someone needs to punch her in the head. Real hard.


You sound aspergery
 
2013-01-05 10:07:44 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: As a social misfit who's also a bit of an asshole, I find this very depressing news.


You'll get over it.
 
2013-01-05 10:11:08 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: abhorrent1: Jon iz teh kewl: there's probably a reason why no girls want to talk to me. but i'm betting it has more to do with the fact i smell like semen

I don't know. I'm sure there are girls out there that would think that was hot.

then it must be the fact i'm overweight and bald


I think you may be on to something there...
 
2013-01-05 10:17:37 AM  

mybulkaddress: I feel this method should explored more to see if it can be applied to other "conditions."

[southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com image 480x360]


That just makes it worse. You don't give someone with a social disorder more reason to withdraw from society.
 
2013-01-05 10:18:00 AM  

Fano: thamike: RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.

Yeah, remember when absolutely  nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder?  It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.

Yeah, I'm sure that it wasn't the other way around

/DSM caught up to reality on that one


You must have Sarcasm Detector Defficiency Syndrome.  SDDS, while common, can lead to serious Social Awkwardness Syndrome, the only cure for which is apparently Televised Murder-Suicide Treatment.
 
2013-01-05 10:19:20 AM  
Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.
 
2013-01-05 10:24:26 AM  

thamike: Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.


Look how cool and edgy you are.
 
2013-01-05 10:24:54 AM  

czetie: bulldg4life: Most of them were just your standard geek/nerd, but one or two were off the wall.

...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.

Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders. It's going to turn out that in a lot of cases, distinct diagnoses turn out to be different manifestations of a single underlying problem; while other common diagnoses turn out to be several different disorders that happen to have similar external manifestations.

And in the future we're going to look back on the last half-century of psychiatric diagnosis and practice with the same disdain that many people regard the half-century before that.


My favorite new addition is you now have two weeks to mourn a loved one. After that you are clinically depressed. We need to stop being special and use the ICD like the rest of the world.
 
2013-01-05 10:30:00 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Let's play "Guess who's the Scientologist."


I'm glad I wasn't the only one with that thought.


/Though, in hindsight, I may have been a little glib.
 
2013-01-05 10:33:45 AM  

RandomAxe: For christ's sake, people will still call it Asperger's. The farking psychiatric diagnostic manual doesn't control reality. You'd have to be crazy to think it does.


Yeah, but now you can tweak the parents a bit by saying "They said Asperger's isn't a thing now", then watch their faces twitch.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:41 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: My brother-in-law is almost thirty and still lives with his mother. He works part-time at a fast food shop and has dropped out of three different colleges. After doing some research on the internet, he discovered he has Asperger's, and is therefore unlikely to go any further with his life.

/his girlfriend is a genius, dontcha know
//works at a different fast food place
///took an IQ test in high school and scored something like 200 points
////also is a speed reader and read Game of Thrones in a half an hour
//yes, holidays are fun at our house


What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-01-05 10:36:45 AM  
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2013-01-05 10:43:05 AM  

fisker: thamike: Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.

Look how cool and edgy you are.


Are these qualities you find crucial in your pursuit of an identity?
 
2013-01-05 10:44:24 AM  
It's comical how many here have replied that they have this, but have not been formally diagnosed. It pretty much just proves every "self-diagnosed asshole" comment true.
 
2013-01-05 10:47:43 AM  
My son has Aspergers. I really wouldn't give a shiat about diagnosing him but the school needed it just to allow the kid some leeway in the very rigid schedule in class. He just needed the option of sitting and reading at his desk sometimes when class gets too much. Almost took an order of Congress to do it. I don't think if the self-diagnosed people were ever around actual Aspergers people they would still think its about being an asshole. Socially akward sure but its nit assholish its not knowing any better.

He's declared himself a Ravens fan and hates the Redskins. So he says before they play each other, " I'm going to initiate a hostile take over of the Redskins. Once I am a majority owner I'm going borrow money and sell off assets to lower their stock value until they have to declare chapter 11. They'll be a defunct organization and Ill sell the franchise rights to some other state. I won't have to see then play anymore." This kid is 7.

"You know you can just say you don't like them and yell loud for the Ravens. Right?"

"No. That's not good enough." He also runs out of e room holding his ears when Empire Carpet commercials come on.
 
2013-01-05 10:50:22 AM  

Shyla: It's comical how many here have replied that they have this, but have not been formally diagnosed. It pretty much just proves every "self-diagnosed asshole" comment true.


It's gotten to the point where "ADHD" is a preemptive excuse to treat a coworker like an asshole.   People brag about it.  It's become not just an explanation for gigantic gaps and shortages in their resume, but a badge of honor and the reason why education and experience are obsolete and unnecessary.
 
2013-01-05 10:50:48 AM  
my son has it. it's mild autism. fact. end of story. I really don't understand the point of removing the classification if it still is considered to exist. it'll just be harder to explain when it comes up because the average Joe has one idea for what autism is when the fact is there's a huge range.

doesn't bother me. but I fully understand why it bothers others
 
2013-01-05 10:51:51 AM  

Gwendolyn: My son has Aspergers. I really wouldn't give a shiat about diagnosing him but the school needed it just to allow the kid some leeway in the very rigid schedule in class. He just needed the option of sitting and reading at his desk sometimes when class gets too much. Almost took an order of Congress to do it. I don't think if the self-diagnosed people were ever around actual Aspergers people they would still think its about being an asshole. Socially akward sure but its nit assholish its not knowing any better.

He's declared himself a Ravens fan and hates the Redskins. So he says before they play each other, " I'm going to initiate a hostile take over of the Redskins. Once I am a majority owner I'm going borrow money and sell off assets to lower their stock value until they have to declare chapter 11. They'll be a defunct organization and Ill sell the franchise rights to some other state. I won't have to see then play anymore." This kid is 7.

"You know you can just say you don't like them and yell loud for the Ravens. Right?"

"No. That's not good enough." He also runs out of e room holding his ears when Empire Carpet commercials come on.


Sounds more like he's just Calvin.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:20 AM  
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2013-01-05 10:55:45 AM  

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


Except there's no drug for Aspergers.

czetie: ...and that's why it's called a "spectrum disorder". By the way, is everybody on Fark aware that a great many mental health professionals think that DSM-5 is a crock of shiat? It medicalizes a lot of perfectly normal behavior (like grieving the death of somebody close) while discarding established, valid diagnoses like Asperger's.


Normal doesn't mean it's not a problem for the patient, nor that it's wrong to give a name to it. After all, we have "grieving" in English, is it wrong for there to be a medical definition of it??

Furthermore, I agree with what they have done with Aspergers. The problem is that the line between Aspergers and autism is too fuzzy. Generally Aspergers is on the mild end of the spectrum and autism is on the deeper end but there is full overlap. It's much better to sort it out by the degree of impairment which is what they are doing under DSM-V.

What I do object to is that they have actually clipped out the lower range of Aspergers. The people like me that are able to function in society but would have benefited from some training on the social issues. Just because it's not disabling in an economic sense doesn't mean it's not an issue for us.
 
2013-01-05 11:02:20 AM  

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2013-01-05 11:04:42 AM  

Loren: What I do object to is that they have actually clipped out the lower range of Aspergers. The people like me that are able to function in society but would have benefited from some training on the social issues. Just because it's not disabling in an economic sense doesn't mean it's not an issue for us.


Yes, but the way the DSM works is with a set of diagnostic criteria.  If someone exhibits a symptom more than their neighbor but less than the criteria, maybe that person is just a little awkward. Just because someone has issues doesn't make it an immediate medical diagnosis.  Once it does, then what's the purpose of a mental health profession?  If we're going to look at science through a philosophical/political lense, we might as well all become Scientologists until the last of the People Who Know We're Full of Sh*t die off.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:00 AM  
I understand the Louvre had an exhibition of great art done by people who were completely normal. It only lasted a week, though. The custodians needed the closet space again for their floor buffer.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:35 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "Possessing an IQ of 140..."

I spent my childhood in gifted student programs. There were more than a few "oddballs" who probably had some form of Asperger's.

FTA: "I don't call it disabled. I call it differently-abled."

Someone needs to punch her in the head. Real hard.


I'm with you.
I also think they need to factor-in a few more questions/processes in the IQ test. Ones such as:
1. Can you ride a bike?
2. Can you tie your own shoes?
3. Do you feel like stealing some guns?
4. Do you feel the need to commit mass murder?
 
2013-01-05 11:06:50 AM  
Nope no drugs just lots of therapy for social social skills. My kid has been seeing a therapist for the last year and a half. Of course he would only see a hot young blonde, but at least we found one who knows what she is doing. He's much better. Of course he's always been social. It's just about learning that other seven year olds don't want to have 2 hour discussions about the history of Macy's Department Stores.
 
2013-01-05 11:25:45 AM  

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I farkin hate Adderall but need it every day.

/narcolepsy
 
2013-01-05 11:32:46 AM  

Gwendolyn: My son has Aspergers. I really wouldn't give a shiat about diagnosing him but the school needed it just to allow the kid some leeway in the very rigid schedule in class. He just needed the option of sitting and reading at his desk sometimes when class gets too much. Almost took an order of Congress to do it. I don't think if the self-diagnosed people were ever around actual Aspergers people they would still think its about being an asshole. Socially akward sure but its nit assholish its not knowing any better.

He's declared himself a Ravens fan and hates the Redskins. So he says before they play each other, " I'm going to initiate a hostile take over of the Redskins. Once I am a majority owner I'm going borrow money and sell off assets to lower their stock value until they have to declare chapter 11. They'll be a defunct organization and Ill sell the franchise rights to some other state. I won't have to see then play anymore." This kid is 7.

"You know you can just say you don't like them and yell loud for the Ravens. Right?"

"No. That's not good enough." He also runs out of e room holding his ears when Empire Carpet commercials come on.


Two and a half thoughts:

1) How times have changed. When my third grade teacher realized I wanted/needed time to sit and read by myself, (I was way ahead in math and science, and responded to boredom... poorly) she just let me think I was getting away with something, and smacked a ruler on my desk when she needed me to pay attention. Administrations used to trust teachers to, you know, teach.

2) You might enjoy my dad's cousin's blog. Her situation isn't unique, but she's a decent storyteller, and your son's comment reminds me of some of her sons'.

2B) Football franchises are independently owned and do not have stock, as such. He would have to raise venture capital to buy the franchise outright, and the NFL would presumably do a background check before they approve the sale, during which they would realize he's a Ravens fan.
 
2013-01-05 11:33:02 AM  

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


THIS.

In 2012, didn't the psychological council or whatever they are called try to rule that biting one's fingernails was a sign of obsessive-compulsive disease, and therefore a mental illness. It sounds like they would prefer to focus on the "easy" customers that they can give a bottle of pills and send on their way...Meanwhile, people like Adam Lanza slip through their rather large cracks...Because who would a therapist rather deal with? A man toting a Bushmaster and not afraid to use it, or a nail-biter?
 
2013-01-05 11:36:47 AM  

dv-ous: 2B) Football franchises are independently owned and do not have stock, as such. He would have to raise venture capital to buy the franchise outright, and the NFL would presumably do a background check before they approve the sale, during which they would realize he's a Ravens fan.


Also, a seven-year-old probably knows too much about football to own the Redskins.
 
2013-01-05 11:38:07 AM  

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I left off whatever this guy's got. Hypersnarkism?
 
2013-01-05 11:38:37 AM  
There's an official "We Remove Official Terms From The Lexicon" Department authorized to make words disappear?

Obama has a Red Queen in his Cabinet?

Why yes, yes he does.
 
2013-01-05 11:40:58 AM  

bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.


This. This this this. Everything's a syndrome now. Every feeling is a clinical diagnosis. Get nervous taking tests? Here's a tranquilizer. Occasional insomnia? Sleeping pill. Lots of energy? ADD. Like to keep things tidy? OCD. Sad sometimes? Depression. Here's a pill for that. Here's a couple of pills for that. The damn society we live in today wants a quick fix for everything. They want to go to the doctor and leave with a pill to fix their problems, when frequently-- as with someone I know who claims to have an autism spectrum disorder-- you're just an asshole, and your "disorder" is a convenient excuse to just treat people like shiat and get away with it. "But I have a disorder" no, you told your doctor you have three of the five symptoms of X and he wrote you a prescription just to get your whiny ass out of his office.
 
2013-01-05 11:42:20 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Pretty soon, the psychiatric profession is going to look even more stupid than it does now as its diagnoses increasingly get overtaken by real science, replacing the subjective nonsense and grand theories with the actual neurological, physical and chemical correlates of mental disorders.


Want to know how I know you know nothing about psychiatry beyond what you think Freud was about?
 
2013-01-05 11:44:08 AM  

storm16: bump: No no no... EVERYTHING is a syndrome or condition and needs to be treated with Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Geodon, Seroquel, Depakote, etc - and if those don't work, start at the top of the list only this time add Ambilify.

They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.

THIS.

In 2012, didn't the psychological council or whatever they are called try to rule that biting one's fingernails was a sign of obsessive-compulsive disease, and therefore a mental illness. It sounds like they would prefer to focus on the "easy" customers that they can give a bottle of pills and send on their way...Meanwhile, people like Adam Lanza slip through their rather large cracks...Because who would a therapist rather deal with? A man toting a Bushmaster and not afraid to use it, or a nail-biter?


If you actually did some research you would know it was were the person went beyond the fingernails and started to rip out the cutcle and fingertips and couldn't stop themselves. IE a compulsion.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:25 AM  
I am picking up faint whiffs of Scientology in this thread.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:27 AM  

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I left off whatever this guy's got. Hypersnarkism?


Guilty as charged. Conservatives hate people with invisible disabilities, and if one shoots up a public place every few months, that's a fair price to pay for making the rest of them suck it up.
 
2013-01-05 12:03:36 PM  

Double Time: Anyone can get diagnosed with those things if they know the symptoms. Read the symptoms, go to the doctor, tell him you have those symptoms, done. Diagnosed.


Bullshiat. To get diagnoised with ADHD you have to sit through three sessions of testing with 1st and 3rd being one hour long and the 2nd being two hours long.
/I know I have ADHD but I don't have many medication options with it as I react badly to stimulants.
//Too much coffee can induce mild anxiexty in me.
 
2013-01-05 12:23:05 PM  
I'm not one of those people who needs a label to justify my differences, but I've often wondered if I do, in fact, have Asperger syndrome.
* I'm incredibly socially awkward and have intense fears of things like job interviews.
*Parties are hell.
*When I was young it took me an abnormally long time to learn how to tie my shoes or ride a bicycle. Likewise, it took me four tries to get my driver's license.
*I never learned what my IQ was tested as in school, but I was put in one of those ridiculously useless "extended-ed" classes and teachers were always giving me extra tasks just to get rid of me.
*My interests (particularly perfume collecting) border on the obsessive and I can easily bore others with them.

Who am I kidding? I'm just a socially retarded loser.
 
2013-01-05 12:28:45 PM  

wildcardjack: They keep getting further from the specificity of an actual diagnosis and clumping more "I don't know what's really wrong, but here's what we're going to call you" diseases into the same category.

A category we used to call "strange" or "retarded". But we can't use those words anymore. Oh no, we're supposed to have a diagnosis for our problems. Well, buddy, lemme tell you your final diagnosis: Human. It comes in a wide spectrum of mental states and pathologies and responds to a spectrum of drugs and treatments. I recommend getting hammered or stoned.


Funny you mention this since Mental Retardation is being replaced in the DSM 5

/as are the Roman numerals.
 
2013-01-05 12:29:26 PM  

bump: They MUST have medical credibility - I mean, whenever I'm in the waiting room at the Drs. there's ALWAYS some very well dressed suit coming through the door, trinkets for the staff & sampled in the box security in hand - most of them even know the pass codes to get back into the exam rooms and drs offices.


You may have unknowningly hit the nail on the head. Many doctors say the only reason they allow medical representatives in their presence is for the free samples. They have many patients without insurance who cannot afford life-saving medications, and use the samples to help them.

Of course, with ObamaCare ensuring that nearly everyone will have health insurance and prescription coverage, perhaps in a year or two such representatives will find a much cooler welcome in America's medical facilities.
 
2013-01-05 12:30:53 PM  
To add a very childish and silly post: I would think such patients would be glad to get rid of a label that sounds like "ass burgers"
 
2013-01-05 12:31:26 PM  

thamike: fisker: thamike: Meanwhile, I have Consonant Plurality Dependency Syndrome, which is caused by, yet also treated by, furious masturbation.

Look how cool and edgy you are.

Are these qualities you find crucial in your pursuit of an identity?


Nah.

It's seems to be the prevailing response around here, though. I've had it said to me a couple times even when people can't see past my lead-encased sarcasm. You should feel good though because I rarely revile when I am joking around.
 
2013-01-05 12:32:37 PM  
Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.
 
2013-01-05 12:34:33 PM  

theedgeofoblivious: It's not a disease. It's a disorder.


Huh? Do you have Derp Disorder or just Pedant Disorder?

Labels are just labels until a verifiable base cause is discovered, and there could be one, multiple, or even countless causes for a disorder/disease/syndrome/etc. For example....with autism, one potential cause is Fragile X Syndrome, which is for sure a disease. Maybe not curable yet, but a disease nonetheless.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:02 PM  

storm16: In 2012, didn't the psychological council or whatever they are called try to rule that biting one's fingernails was a sign of obsessive-compulsive disease, and therefore a mental illness. It sounds like they would prefer to focus on the "easy" customers that they can give a bottle of pills and send on their way...Meanwhile, people like Adam Lanza slip through their rather large cracks...Because who would a therapist rather deal with? A man toting a Bushmaster and not afraid to use it, or a nail-biter?


WTF does the DSM have to do with Adam Lanza not getting the help he needed? That is about the sloppiest broad brush I've ever seen applied around here, and i've been around here a while.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:57 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.


Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.
 
2013-01-05 12:55:32 PM  

fisker: Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.

Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.


I'm not insulting anyone. I love weed. I live in Colorado. I thought 'bongoloid' was kind of funny.

Still waiting to meet a militant stoner.
 
2013-01-05 01:03:37 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: fisker: Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.

Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.

I'm not insulting anyone. I love weed. I live in Colorado. I thought 'bongoloid' was kind of funny.

Still waiting to meet a militant stoner.


My best friend is a ginormous stoner, was in Kuwait during the gulf war, has 3 guns, is a member of the NRA, carries a shotgun around in his truck, is a hipster, and loves Obama.

This is the small reality of actually living in Seattle and rednecks across the country can't figure it out. It scares them to death so the only thing they can do is hold dear to their precious little hearts that calling someone a hipster is some form of an insult.
 
2013-01-05 01:25:38 PM  
I prefer the title "drama queen" myself.

/never tested
//son was ("high-functioning autistic")
 
2013-01-05 01:32:01 PM  

durbnpoisn: My mother's stepson has the Asperger's. The very first time I heard her say the term, I was like, "wait, what is this need to assign a name to the fact that he's awkward teenager?"

I've always disliked the term. Especially since I've seen the evidence of his using "his social shortcomings" as an excuse to expect special treatment.

I swear, his parents coddle him too much. And my mother does too. The dude is 21 now. He acts like he's 17. He hasn't even gotten his driver's license yet. How do they ever expect him to be able to take care of himself if they are always holding his hand?


Good thing you're OK, though.
 
2013-01-05 01:44:57 PM  
I'm sure that every farker in here who is hurling scorn and abuse on the Aspies, is in fact, themselves, a marvelously socially gifted social butterfly, who uses all the right social media, and is socially better than everyone else.

That's why they are in Fark on a Saturday, hurling abuse on the disabled.
 
2013-01-05 01:56:08 PM  
Well, ASD-Level 1 doesn't have the same ring to it but I think they'll live. Or just call themselves mildly autistic, imagine that.

My nephew has Aspergers, and it is definitely different than autism


my son has it. it's mild autism. fact. end of story

Or your mildly autistic son could have been misdiagnosed.


When smart, middle-class parents have a child who, let's be kind, reverts to the mean, they often look for a diagnosis.

lol, my nephew is FAR from the mean. They were taking him to doctors as early as 3 years old because he was not developing right. The kid is brilliant, but they would prefer if he was normal or even a little slow rather than having to do with panic attacks (not temper tantrums - the kid is terrified) every time they go someplace new, and bizarre fears (Does fear of margarine even have a name?).
 
2013-01-05 01:59:40 PM  
So, some people just have stupid crotch fruit. Others make their crotch fruit stupid because they expected them to be.

It is the reason why more wealthy people have problem children than poor people do. They can afford it.
 
2013-01-05 02:06:44 PM  

fisker: Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.

By the way. I stand in front of my niece's school all day in a camouflage outfit protecting all the little guys from these types of people.


Given the last sentence, this is important information for you: Aspergers was  comorbid with whatever went wrong with the shooter. 'Comorbid', a term some people don't know, means a disorder existing in the same person, but pretty much unrelated. People with AS are very likely to be comorbid--I'm probably a steryotype with AS and bipolar, that's a common one--but AS itself is actually a highly antiviolent disorder.

What AS feels like is that your empathy is flicked 'on', but everyone's wearing a mask. You hate hurting people. You hate lying. You want to help people everywhere because everyone is a friend you haven't met yet. There's a bit of slowness in your thought process, and a bit of trouble doing things, but most of it is that you really, really love everyone. So if you meet someone with obvious AS while you're guarding your neice's school (it isn't always), you need to expect that a) they will be  very uncomfortable to talk to, especially since you're in a uniform, and they're either going to think you're the most amazing thing ever, be terrified of you, or both; b) If you get upset, so will they, so even if they're totally freaked out, keep your tone even and body language neutral; and c) they will probably try to talk your ear off about some random topic they find fascinating. Just be very calm and help them get back to wherever they were supposed to go.

/The media did not help in the slightest by harping on Asperger's without mentioning that it was a comorbid disorder, and actually it's a bit amazing he was able to pull the trigger at all given his disability.
//But yeah, this is important to know given your job. If you want to read up on other disorders you might end up encountering, don't use Wikipedia, it's utter shiat. Use a family-help site. They're a bit less likely to talk about violence, but they're about twenty times more accurate.
 
2013-01-05 02:11:35 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

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Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder


In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.
 
2013-01-05 02:17:53 PM  
Really not trying to be snarky here, but if you can't form relationships and don't understand your personhood in relation to the rest of the world (which seems to be true for true autistics) then are you really human. Yes, some autistics have incredible savant powers but we have computers to do that for us nowadays. So if you understand your personhood then you have an obligation to society to not be a burden and to add something positive. It seems that all of this self diagnoses is an excuse to keep you from fully participating in society. And how sad to limit yourself to the wonders that this world holds. And even sadder that children are being labeled and limited.

/yes, I do understand that some of us play life on hard mode
// you only get one go a round so stop whining and make the most of it
 
2013-01-05 02:18:11 PM  

torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

Unrecognized Genius, Undiagnosed Aspergers, Agoraphobia, Gynophobia,

Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder

In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.


What's the condition where people take everything literally?
 
2013-01-05 02:19:55 PM  

thamike: Is "social misfits" what we're calling assholes now?


"coonts" was considered discriminatory against female coonts.
 
2013-01-05 02:21:38 PM  

PsiChick: fisker: Oh.

Because the last school shooter was supposedly diagnosed with this disorder and apparently he didn't even have a Facebook account.

He was all the other things you mentioned, too, so naturally I just put two and two together.

By the way. I stand in front of my niece's school all day in a camouflage outfit protecting all the little guys from these types of people.

Given the last sentence, this is important information for you: Aspergers was  comorbid with whatever went wrong with the shooter. 'Comorbid', a term some people don't know, means a disorder existing in the same person, but pretty much unrelated. People with AS are very likely to be comorbid--I'm probably a steryotype with AS and bipolar, that's a common one--but AS itself is actually a highly antiviolent disorder.

What AS feels like is that your empathy is flicked 'on', but everyone's wearing a mask. You hate hurting people. You hate lying. You want to help people everywhere because everyone is a friend you haven't met yet. There's a bit of slowness in your thought process, and a bit of trouble doing things, but most of it is that you really, really love everyone. So if you meet someone with obvious AS while you're guarding your neice's school (it isn't always), you need to expect that a) they will be  very uncomfortable to talk to, especially since you're in a uniform, and they're either going to think you're the most amazing thing ever, be terrified of you, or both; b) If you get upset, so will they, so even if they're totally freaked out, keep your tone even and body language neutral; and c) they will probably try to talk your ear off about some random topic they find fascinating. Just be very calm and help them get back to wherever they were supposed to go.

/The media did not help in the slightest by harping on Asperger's without mentioning that it was a comorbid disorder, and actually it's a bit amazing he was able to pull the trigger at all given his disability.
//But yeah, this is i ...


Nice description, hopefully it gets through some of these people's thick skulls in this thread. Why are there so many Fark posts where people are just enraged at people with mental disorders? PsiChick here is trying to generate some sympathy, but she shouldn't have to.

So many others in this thread are so stupidly judgmental at those on the Autism Spectrum. They are hilariously expressing one of the traits of autism itself....DIFFICULTY WITH EMPATHY. I need to more often remember that intelligence is on a bell curve. I guess I always assume that people are generally smarter than they deserve credit for (my career gives a pretty strong bias for really smart people). But actually, there are a LOT more dumbasses in the world than I see from my biased day-to-day sample.

Thanks for a smart post, PsiChick, and I mean it.
 
2013-01-05 02:23:22 PM  
 
2013-01-05 02:25:13 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

Unrecognized Genius, Undiagnosed Aspergers, Agoraphobia, Gynophobia,

Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder

In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.

What's the condition where people take everything literally?


Awww. It's OK to have Dumbass Personality Disorder. You're still a person and there is plenty that you can still do with your life.

But I have a secret for you: Being a comedian is not one of those things. If you'd like people to think you're funny, you have to be funny.
 
2013-01-05 02:28:40 PM  

Brave: Really not trying to be snarky here, but if you can't form relationships and don't understand your personhood in relation to the rest of the world (which seems to be true for true autistics) then are you really human. Yes, some autistics have incredible savant powers but we have computers to do that for us nowadays. So if you understand your personhood then you have an obligation to society to not be a burden and to add something positive. It seems that all of this self diagnoses is an excuse to keep you from fully participating in society. And how sad to limit yourself to the wonders that this world holds. And even sadder that children are being labeled and limited.


Oh yeah, you're all doing it yourself. Nobody else has any prejudice or contempt, or belittles what you have to deal with. You made a choice. Fark off.
 
2013-01-05 02:30:53 PM  

torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Welcome to Fark. All members of this community are afflicted. Please circle all conditions that apply to you:

Unrecognized Genius, Undiagnosed Aspergers, Agoraphobia, Gynophobia,

Borderline Personality, ADHD (who doesn't enjoy Adderall?), Anxiety Disorder

In your genius analysis, have you considered the people who post about what they don't have?

Don't think so. Because they don't post.

I think you might have Dumbass Personality.

What's the condition where people take everything literally?

Awww. It's OK to have Dumbass Personality Disorder. You're still a person and there is plenty that you can still do with your life.

But I have a secret for you: Being a comedian is not one of those things. If you'd like people to think you're funny, you have to be funny.


You're a regular Don Rickles. Maybe you can show me what humor looks like. With zingers like 'Dumbass Personality Disorder' I'm sure I'll get the hang of it in no time.
 
2013-01-05 02:36:31 PM  
Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.
 
2013-01-05 02:46:00 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.


Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.


Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.
 
2013-01-05 02:49:31 PM  

torusXL: Nice description, hopefully it gets through some of these people's thick skulls in this thread. Why are there so many Fark posts where people are just enraged at people with mental disorders? PsiChick here is trying to generate some sympathy, but she shouldn't have to.

So many others in this thread are so stupidly judgmental at those on the Autism Spectrum. They are hilariously expressing one of the traits of autism itself....DIFFICULTY WITH EMPATHY. I need to more often remember that intelligence is on a bell curve. I guess I always assume that people are generally smarter than they deserve credit for (my career gives a pretty strong bias for really smart people). But actually, there are a LOT more dumbasses in the world than I see from my biased day-to-day sample.

Thanks for a smart post, PsiChick, and I mean it.


D'aww, thanks. :)

/But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to  understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are  veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p
 
2013-01-05 02:56:23 PM  

torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.


I don't think you understand what butthurt means. I will be nice and clear and avoid any kind of simile or analogy.

I suspect you have a cognitive deficit which makes it hard for you to communicate with others.
 
2013-01-05 03:25:47 PM  

PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p


So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.

I don't think you understand what butthurt means. I will be nice and clear and avoid any kind of simile or analogy.

I suspect you have a cognitive deficit which makes it hard for you to communicate with others.


Awww, need a tissue?
 
2013-01-05 03:35:50 PM  

torusXL: PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p

So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

Uranus Is Huge!: torusXL: Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Uranus Is Huge!: Subby is wrong. Asperger's isn't going anywhere. This thread proves that.

Your name is perfect for someone who gets butthurt so easily.

Poor baby.

I don't think you understand what butthurt means. I will be nice and clear and avoid any kind of simile or analogy.

I suspect you have a cognitive deficit which makes it hard for you to communicate with others.

Awww, need a tissue?


To summarize:

I cracked jokes. You didn't like the jokes. You responded with an insult. I tried to stay playful. You continued to be insulting. I quit being playful.

You're a guy on the internet that for some reason thinks he's used his rapier wit to hurt my feelings. Congratulations for failing so well.
 
2013-01-05 03:39:30 PM  

torusXL: PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p

So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?


No, the empathy problem is more in the literal sense. We can't face-read, specifically, and some of us can't read tone or body language. We  care about what you're thinking and feeling, but we don't  know what you're thinking and feeling.

For other people, it's the other way around: They  know what people are thinking and feeling, but they don't  care.

/That might be simpler...I is wordy today. :p
 
2013-01-05 03:57:19 PM  

PsiChick: So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

No, the empathy problem is more in the literal sense. We can't face-read, specifically, and some of us can't read tone or body language. We care about what you're thinking and feeling, but we don't know what you're thinking and feeling.

For other people, it's the other way around: They know what people are thinking and feeling, but they don't care.

/That might be simpler...I is wordy today. :p


I see, thanks for describing it.

Uranus Is Huge!: Awww, need a tissue?

To summarize:

I cracked jokes. You didn't like the jokes. You responded with an insult. I tried to stay playful. You continued to be insulting. I quit being playful.

You're a guy on the internet that for some reason thinks he's used his rapier wit to hurt my feelings. Congratulations for failing so well.


Sorry dude, I'm out of tissues here.
 
2013-01-05 04:04:19 PM  
isn't mental illness only for people who are unemployed? once you get a job you stop worrying about whether it takes u 2 or 3 seconds to eat a slice of pizza
 
2013-01-05 04:24:45 PM  
Meh. Once an ass-burger always an ass-burger.
 
2013-01-05 04:40:54 PM  

NotARocketScientist: (Does fear of margarine even have a name?)


Taste.
 
2013-01-05 04:53:11 PM  
I prefer to call it the creative or Inventor's Mind.
 
2013-01-05 05:12:20 PM  
The DSM IV and DSM 5 criteria for autism and Aspergers are very well defined. The diagnostic process for autism spectrum disorders is lengthy and multidisciplinary, including parent interviews, family history, developmental history, teacher questionnaire, sensory questionnaire, developmental pediatricans, occupational therapists, and speech language pathologists. Believe me, it's not a quick and easy diagnosis!
 
2013-01-05 05:51:41 PM  

torusXL: PsiChick: So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

No, the empathy problem is more in the literal sense. We can't face-read, specifically, and some of us can't read tone or body language. We care about what you're thinking and feeling, but we don't know what you're thinking and feeling.

For other people, it's the other way around: They know what people are thinking and feeling, but they don't care.

/That might be simpler...I is wordy today. :p

I see, thanks for describing it.

Uranus Is Huge!: Awww, need a tissue?

To summarize:

I cracked jokes. You didn't like the jokes. You responded with an insult. I tried to stay playful. You continued to be insulting. I quit being playful.

You're a guy on the internet that for some reason thinks he's used his rapier wit to hurt my feelings. Congratulations for failing so well.

Sorry dude, I'm out of tissues here.


Are these posts supposed how you display your symptoms?
 
2013-01-05 06:54:17 PM  

torusXL: theedgeofoblivious: It's not a disease. It's a disorder.

Huh? Do you have Derp Disorder or just Pedant Disorder?

Labels are just labels until a verifiable base cause is discovered, and there could be one, multiple, or even countless causes for a disorder/disease/syndrome/etc. For example....with autism, one potential cause is Fragile X Syndrome, which is for sure a disease. Maybe not curable yet, but a disease nonetheless.


You seem to have Derp Disorder.

Autism, Asperger's, whatever you want to call it isn't a disease.

It's not even clear whether a majority of people with fragile x syndrome have autism, and it's estimated that less than 10% of people with autism have fragile x syndrome.

The fact that something may in a tiny percentage of cases be caused by a disease does not make said something itself a disease.
 
2013-01-05 07:51:07 PM  

RandomAxe: thamike: Yeah, remember when absolutely nobodystopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder? It's almost as if the DSM isn't highly influential and important or something.

A) Not comparable. You can bring up as many orthogonal examples as you like, but it doesn't have any bearing on my point, which

B) You're intentionally missing.

If you think I'm honestly wrong, and magically now "the term 'Asperger's Syndrome' will soon cease to exist", fine, stand up and say so.

Personally, while I think a change in the official view of dopa / focus issues is a good idea, I don't think the new ranking, which intrinsically suggests that they're essentially differences of degree even though it's been established that neurologically they are not, is a good one. But that wasn't my point, either. As I'm sure you could tell.


The word appeared in the collective consciousness because it appeared in the DSM. It will disappear the same way, and be replaced by ASD before you even realize it. Soon, you'll have people telling your they're ASD/ADD, instead of just ADD. Won't that be wonderful?
 
2013-01-05 08:12:37 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: me: "I have an innatentive form of ADHD, makes it hard to concentrate and though I'm on medication it only hides the symptoms"
person1: "omg you mean like hyper and stuff? you're not hyper or anything, I think it's over-diagnosed and your parents didn't hit you enough"
me: "no it's a non-hyper form of ADHD, In fact nowadays it has a separate diagnosis criteria"
person1: "But the internet said it's fake?"
me: "I also have OCD, depression, and Social Anxiety Disorder, all professionally diagnosed"
person1: "LOL it must be awesome to have OCD, I feel like I have it too because I wash my hands a lot and can't stand things not in order"
me:*facepalm*

/ASDs are real, but everyone who proclaims to have one without getting a professional diagnosis and/or prescription can eat a bag of dicks


Isn't ADID (I know, that's not a real abbreviation... yet) when you constantly get so single-mindedly into things that you block out the outside world completely? I've met a couple of kids and a few adults who are like that. They get all kinds of things done, but will argue and deny when you mention that you spoke to them while they were shutting out the world, too.

ADHD, on the other hand, I always thought manifested itself in the exact opposite way. People who look up at the slightest distraction or stray thought and can't get back to work, without amphetamines or caffeine. Great drivers, great gamers, love trivia... not good at completion, followup, or paying bills, unless they get in the habit of doing it immediately. Two opposite issues lumped under the same ADD umbrella.

/Very ADHD. Grew up ADID. Kind of wish I could get back to that, but I also like having a social life now.
 
2013-01-05 08:25:05 PM  
i was diagnosed inattentive/hyperactive ADHD, but nobody believes i have it cause i always abuse the amphetamine medication they give me
 
2013-01-05 09:25:34 PM  
> What AS feels like is that your empathy is flicked 'on', but everyone's wearing a mask. You hate hurting people. You hate lying. You want to help people everywhere because everyone is a friend you haven't met yet.

That just makes bullying them and calling them sociopaths even funnier. It's no fun torturing something that can't feel pain, amirite?
 
2013-01-05 11:16:26 PM  
So, basically AS is what they call people who have met enough people outside their tiny little echo chamber to realize that not all people have the same non-verbal cues, and that we shouldn't make assumptions about what complete strangers are thinking and feeling. Suddenly the correlation between "aspie" and "nerd" makes a lot more sense.
 
2013-01-05 11:19:06 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: fisker: Uranus Is Huge!: Don't call me a pothead! It has negative connotations. I'd prefer to be called a bongoloid.

Pot's legal here.

It's funny when people who live in primitive states think they are insulting others who live in a more advanced society.

I'm not insulting anyone. I love weed. I live in Colorado. I thought 'bongoloid' was kind of funny.


I did, too. I'm stealing it. I already used it in a text to a friend of mine, informing him that his DSM status has changed.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:24 PM  

sleeps in trees: PsiChick: torusXL: PsiChick: /But to be a nerd for a minute: Empathy is a word with a clinical and connotative definition. Clinically, empathy means to understand what another person feels, not whether or not you care. Connotatively, it means 'I understand what you feel and care'. That confused me for a while, too, because I wondered if maybe I wasn't AS at all...and then I read a few of the better sites and realized that people with AS actually are veryempathetic in the connotative sense. Once we know what's going on, we care deeply. Not everyone does; actually, some psychologists think it's a pretty vital 'filter' for people to not care about anything but themselves. It's just a question of when it turns on. For a lot of people, it almost never does. That's why you get those stories about, say, homophobes becoming gay-rights activists when their children come out of the closet, or people becoming champions of horrifying problems when it affects them. That's a pretty normal behavior. It just sort of 'sticks on' like a bad light switch sometimes, especially when you discuss something scary like illness of any type.
//Just because that one always confused me, too. :p

So the empathy problem of AS is more of an issue with reacting to feelings of empathy, or maybe an issue with planning out actions related to feelings of empathy?

No, the empathy problem is more in the literal sense. We can't face-read, specifically, and some of us can't read tone or body language. We  care about what you're thinking and feeling, but we don't  know what you're thinking and feeling.

For other people, it's the other way around: They  know what people are thinking and feeling, but they don't  care.

/That might be simpler...I is wordy today. :p

This former is my son. He has empathy he just doesn't get the cues unless obvious.


I was like that for most of my life. Then I discovered that there are six basic facial expressions and started studying. Have him watch Xena; Lucy Lawless has  amazing emotive skills. Results may vary, but it's worth a shot. :)
 
2013-01-06 12:23:30 AM  
1. Intelligence has dimensions. There are multiple intelligences, and some of them are social, or have social impact.
2. Such intelligence has a "normal distribution" of sort. It may not be a true bell curve, but the bell curve is a reasonable approximation.
3. Some folks are "socially retarded". I am, to some degree, and my son somewhat more so.
Does it really matter what label you use? What matters is how you cope with your limitations. That's true for anyone. Compensatory effort, additional social education, medication, whatever works. That formula applies to virtually anyone, adapted to their particular weakness or strength.

What matters is that a moral and ethical framework provide a framework for the Asperger's Syndrome person, so that he can function in some appropriate niche in society.
 
2013-01-06 01:17:28 AM  

gregscott: What matters is that a moral and ethical framework provide a framework for the Asperger's Syndrome person, so that he can function in some appropriate niche in society.


That's a weird thing to say; for most people, functioning appropriately in society is INVERSELY related to your moral and ethical framework.
 
2013-01-06 01:56:41 AM  
IMHO. Autism doesn't belong in the DSM5. Why? Because its a Neurological disorder and not a mental illness.
 
2013-01-06 03:04:43 AM  

Anthracite: IMHO. Autism doesn't belong in the DSM5. Why? Because its a Neurological disorder and not a mental illness.


You've gotta be trolling because....what the shiat????
The point of the DSM is to collect a "bestiary" of mental problems commonly afflicting people, whatever the cause. The causes could be genetic, environmental, neurological, experience based (the collective experiences that shape memories and in turn change brain patterns), or any combination of two or all of those.

What in the world do you mean by this. Please tell me before I finally decide that most people are as derptastic as Uranus Is Huge!.
 
2013-01-06 04:24:18 AM  
The term won't cease to exist, people. It's more like they're cleaning house and putting things back where they need to go. Think of it like putting something in the wrong directory at first, pointing everything at it, then moving it to the right place. It's kind of like moving the Asperger's diagnosis into autism where it should be, then adding a symlink that points to the new entry when Aspergers is mentioned.
 
2013-01-06 12:47:46 PM  

ialdabaoth: gregscott: What matters is that a moral and ethical framework provide a framework for the Asperger's Syndrome person, so that he can function in some appropriate niche in society.

That's a weird thing to say; for most people, functioning appropriately in society is INVERSELY related to your moral and ethical framework.


I'm impressed by your corrosive cynicism. I used to be like you until I began to face facts that it was farking up my life and that of everyone around me.
 
2013-01-06 06:41:16 PM  

Pichu0102: The term won't cease to exist, people. It's more like they're cleaning house and putting things back where they need to go. Think of it like putting something in the wrong directory at first, pointing everything at it, then moving it to the right place. It's kind of like moving the Asperger's diagnosis into autism where it should be, then adding a symlink that points to the new entry when Aspergers is mentioned.


ln -s /dev/stupid /dev/retard
 
2013-01-06 11:09:15 PM  

filter: Cool- worked in mental health when this was this disease of the week. Had never heard of it, then suddenly everyone had it.


It is the planking/teebowing/gangnam-shiat of psychiatry.


like ADD and Bipolar before
 
2013-01-07 09:55:23 AM  
There's a simple test. If the child can speak, it's not autism. Aspbergers doesn't exist, and is just an excuse doctors give to bad parents.
 
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