If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(WWL)   Yet another blowhard idiot looking to salvage his career is set to accuse Lance Armstrong of doping   (wwl.com) divider line 49
    More: Obvious  
•       •       •

1656 clicks; posted to Sports » on 05 Jan 2013 at 11:38 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



49 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2013-01-05 07:26:53 AM
I do believe Armstrong was doping, but he was doping at a time when every other professional cyclist was doping. I think the French just were pissed that an American won the Tour de France 7 times, despite the fact that about every winner for the past decade or two has had their win at the Tour de France or some other contest stripped due to doping
 
2013-01-05 07:32:50 AM
bicycle people problems
 
2013-01-05 09:10:13 AM
Well done, subby. Well done.
 
2013-01-05 10:09:29 AM

greentea1985: I do believe Armstrong was doping, but he was doping at a time when every other professional cyclist was doping. I think the French just were pissed that an American won the Tour de France 7 times, despite the fact that about every winner for the past decade or two has had their win at the Tour de France or some other contest stripped due to doping


This.  Cycling's establishment is apparently full of petty, mean-spirited douches who will stop at nothing to make other people's lives a living hell.

A perfect microcosm for Critical Mass, I'd say.
 
2013-01-05 10:41:28 AM
So, we're cool, right?
 
2013-01-05 11:38:14 AM
This is nuts.
 
2013-01-05 11:42:07 AM
I'm sure that all the people he's sued and generally tried to destroy for suggesting he was doping will appreciate that.
 
2013-01-05 11:47:20 AM

greentea1985: I do believe Armstrong was doping, but he was doping at a time when every other professional cyclist was doping. I think the French just were pissed that an American won the Tour de France 7 times, despite the fact that about every winner for the past decade or two has had their win at the Tour de France or some other contest stripped due to doping


Yeah, he was just better at doping than everyone else. And clearly better at covering it up.
 
2013-01-05 11:49:40 AM

basemetal: This is nuts.


FTFY
 
2013-01-05 11:51:45 AM
Yet another blowhard idiot looking to salvage his career is set to accuse Lance Armstrong of doping

Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams have written another book?
 
2013-01-05 11:55:32 AM
Somewhere, Miguel Indurain is quietly laughing to himself.
 
2013-01-05 12:04:21 PM

jake_lex: I'm sure that all the people he's sued and generally tried to destroy for suggesting he was doping will appreciate that.


This. So,so, so much this. It's one thing to cheat at a bike race, it's quite another to destroy people's lives because they called you out for it.
 
2013-01-05 12:09:09 PM
I can't wait for the thread when he does admit it. I might need to buy a microphone just so I can mic drop after saying "Called it."
 
2013-01-05 12:11:27 PM

greentea1985: I do believe Armstrong was doping, but he was doping at a time when every other professional cyclist was doping. I think the French just were pissed that an American won the Tour de France 7 times, despite the fact that about every winner for the past decade or two has had their win at the Tour de France or some other contest stripped due to doping


IIRC one Tour post Armstrong was so tainted some guy who finished 6th or 7th wound up being declared the winner months after the race once all the doping violations got sorted out.
 
2013-01-05 12:28:59 PM

AntonChigger: Somewhere, Miguel Indurain is quietly laughing to himself.


Came here to post this. Thank you.
 
2013-01-05 12:33:24 PM
There's no way this is true.  One nut would open himself up to so many legal problems related to giving false testimony.
 
2013-01-05 12:43:48 PM
Lance has always seemed like a douche.
 
2013-01-05 12:48:39 PM

Popcorn Johnny: There's no way this is true.  One nut would open himself up to so many legal problems related to giving false testimony.


Pretty much. He'd be sued for tens of millions. By several people/entities. And he'd lose. Badly.
 
2013-01-05 12:49:22 PM
How do you tell someone that you're considering admitting to something? YOU JUST DID, YOU IDJIT. THAT'S AN ADMISSION. You either admit or you don't. There's no halfway hemming and hawing 'well, I'm thinking about admitting' horseshiat.
 
2013-01-05 12:53:16 PM

sotua: AntonChigger: Somewhere, Miguel Indurain is quietly laughing to himself.

Came here to post this. Thank you.


You're welcome. From what I heard he was a class act, and totally clean. It probably helped that he was a legitimate biological freak with a ridiculously low heart rate and huge lung capacity.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:36 PM
If he had cheated by himself that's one thing. But he *required* his teammates to dope as well. That's what makes it so bad.
 
2013-01-05 01:20:43 PM
What I glean from all of this is that essentially everyone involved in cycling is an enormous douchebag and Lance Armstrong was the best thing to ever happen to your irrelevant sport.
 
2013-01-05 01:27:14 PM
I just can't believe there's enough interest and money in cycling to make a systematic team-based doping scheme worthwhile. Who cares? I hate when people make fun of niche sports and all, but I'm just shocked anyone cares about bike riding.
 
2013-01-05 01:41:55 PM

Palmer Eldritch: I can't wait for the thread when he does admit it. I might need to buy a microphone just so I can mic drop after saying "Called it."


Whatever. George Carlin called it before you, and much better I'm sure. Link NSFW language
 
2013-01-05 01:47:42 PM

Champion of the Sun: I just can't believe there's enough interest and money in cycling to make a systematic team-based doping scheme worthwhile. Who cares? I hate when people make fun of niche sports and all, but I'm just shocked anyone cares about bike riding.


Lance made us (Americans) care about cycling in the US during his run because of his great personal story that went with it. When Americans care, sponsors care. And he made a ton of money off of corporate speaking and things surrounding his personal legacy.

Armstrong made an estimated $21 million in 2010. He is scheduled to lose approximately $150 million from the fallout of this. Info taken from this Forbes article.

And frankly, there was probably a sense of "if everyone else is doing it, I should too". And he did it a lot better than everyone else, according to the USADA report. Despite what you or I think about cycling, he lived and breathed that sport and wanted to be the best of all time at it.
 
2013-01-05 02:06:01 PM

FriarReb98: greentea1985: I do believe Armstrong was doping, but he was doping at a time when every other professional cyclist was doping. I think the French just were pissed that an American won the Tour de France 7 times, despite the fact that about every winner for the past decade or two has had their win at the Tour de France or some other contest stripped due to doping

This.  Cycling's establishment is apparently full of petty, mean-spirited douches who will stop at nothing to make other people's lives a living hell.

A perfect microcosm for Critical Mass, I'd say.


ok one more time for clarity.

IT WAS NOT THE FRENCH.
IT WAS NOT THE CYCLING ESTABLISHMENT.

The only people who put any effort into investigating the systematic doing as USES/Discovery was the UNITED STATES ANTI DOPING AGENCY (USADA).

They're not a jealous cycling group. They're not French.
 
2013-01-05 02:07:15 PM
Hey, could the Postal Service get its sponsorship fees back?
 
2013-01-05 02:20:07 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Hey, could the Postal Service get its sponsorship fees back?


They are investigating that possibility.
 
2013-01-05 02:20:11 PM
And I bet the admittance will be that he didn't use PEDs, but he'll take the punishment to continue his career as a triathlete, and pretend to be guilty just to get on with his life.
 
2013-01-05 02:22:07 PM
The cover-up is always worse than the crime.
 
2013-01-05 02:35:40 PM
Man, this really hurts the plot of "Dodgeball"
 
2013-01-05 02:48:34 PM
Cant we just bury bicycling again and forget about the whole sordid doping horde of crybags?
 
2013-01-05 03:06:39 PM
So when does he start apologizing to the people who reported this years ago?
 
2013-01-05 03:12:26 PM

chewielouie: Palmer Eldritch: I can't wait for the thread when he does admit it. I might need to buy a microphone just so I can mic drop after saying "Called it."

Whatever. George Carlin called it before you, and much better I'm sure. Link NSFW language


Aw, don't destroy his little fantasy that "calling it" matters.

It would be better if there was an explosion in the background as he walks away in slow motion after dropping the Mic.
 
2013-01-05 03:30:47 PM

Snort: chewielouie: Palmer Eldritch: I can't wait for the thread when he does admit it. I might need to buy a microphone just so I can mic drop after saying "Called it."

Whatever. George Carlin called it before you, and much better I'm sure. Link NSFW language

Aw, don't destroy his little fantasy that "calling it" matters.

It would be better if there was an explosion in the background as he walks away in slow motion after dropping the Mic.


I cant remember, did any of the Boston Red Sox fans apologize to that one Farker who kept saying "He's a doper, they are all dopers" about baseball players? I think that the chances are about equal of Red Sox supporters and Lance Livestrong Armstrong supporters ever saying they were wrong or apologizing for badmouthing the people who were telling them truths instead of bullshiatting them.
 
2013-01-05 04:12:41 PM

mikaloyd: Snort: chewielouie: Palmer Eldritch: I can't wait for the thread when he does admit it. I might need to buy a microphone just so I can mic drop after saying "Called it."

Whatever. George Carlin called it before you, and much better I'm sure. Link NSFW language

Aw, don't destroy his little fantasy that "calling it" matters.

It would be better if there was an explosion in the background as he walks away in slow motion after dropping the Mic.

I cant remember, did any of the Boston Red Sox fans apologize to that one Farker who kept saying "He's a doper, they are all dopers" about baseball players? I think that the chances are about equal of Red Sox supporters and Lance Livestrong Armstrong supporters ever saying they were wrong or apologizing for badmouthing the people who were telling them truths instead of bullshiatting them.


I was never really a full on supporter of Lance. I'm a cyclist, I follow bike racing. Always thought he was an ass. I really HOPED he wasn't doping. I don't think I ever said anything defending him, but man... I hoped it wasn't true. It's just bad for the sport. But, I can admit that I was wrong. He's a piece of shiat and always has been.

I really hope Greg Lemond runs for UCI president.
 
2013-01-05 04:22:49 PM

greentea1985: I do believe Armstrong was doping, but he was doping at a time when every other professional cyclist was doping.


Do you really think they are clean now? How adorable
 
2013-01-05 04:51:23 PM
Until he admits he doped he will always be 1/2 the man in my eyes.
 
2013-01-05 06:13:00 PM
And this affects me or any other significant portion of society .... How?
I heard a lot of people smoke weed, and hollywood types are doing blow so I won't watch their movies the same way again.
 
2013-01-05 07:03:57 PM

crotchgrabber: mikaloyd: Snort: chewielouie: Palmer Eldritch: I can't wait for the thread when he does admit it. I might need to buy a microphone just so I can mic drop after saying "Called it."

Whatever. George Carlin called it before you, and much better I'm sure. Link NSFW language

Aw, don't destroy his little fantasy that "calling it" matters.

It would be better if there was an explosion in the background as he walks away in slow motion after dropping the Mic.

I cant remember, did any of the Boston Red Sox fans apologize to that one Farker who kept saying "He's a doper, they are all dopers" about baseball players? I think that the chances are about equal of Red Sox supporters and Lance Livestrong Armstrong supporters ever saying they were wrong or apologizing for badmouthing the people who were telling them truths instead of bullshiatting them.

I was never really a full on supporter of Lance. I'm a cyclist, I follow bike racing. Always thought he was an ass. I really HOPED he wasn't doping. I don't think I ever said anything defending him, but man... I hoped it wasn't true. It's just bad for the sport. But, I can admit that I was wrong. He's a piece of shiat and always has been.

I really hope Greg Lemond runs for UCI president.


Wait, you actually believe Lemond raced clean? Now THAT'S adorable.
 
2013-01-05 09:37:34 PM

chewielouie: crotchgrabber: mikaloyd: Snort: chewielouie:
...

I was never really a full on supporter of Lance. I'm a cyclist, I follow bike racing. Always thought he was an ass. I really HOPED he wasn't doping. I don't think I ever said anything defending him, but man... I hoped it wasn't true. It's just bad for the sport. But, I can admit that I was wrong. He's a piece of shiat and always has been.

I really hope Greg Lemond runs for UCI president.

Wait, you actually believe Lemond raced clean? Now THAT'S adorable.


It is easy to be cynical or skeptical, but what we've seen with Armstrong is that you don't race dirty without a bunch of other people being pretty aware of it. Yes, it takes a long time to come out but it does come out.

I think if Lemond or Indurain were dirty, there'd be people coming out about it now in the wake of the Armstrong stuff. Even if they haven't come out now, they'll start to do so in the next couple of years.

So basically I'm more confident about Lemond and Indurain now than I was three months ago and that's continuing to grow.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:31 PM
chewielouie

Wait, you actually believe Lemond raced clean? Now THAT'S adorable.


Wait, you have evidence he doped? That's adorable, you mouth breathing f*cktard.

/troll points cause you got me....
 
2013-01-06 02:06:11 AM

TheManofPA: Man, this really hurts the plot of "Dodgeball"


yeah, I was just thinking about the Armstrong scene there myself....
 
2013-01-06 04:09:09 AM

mikaloyd: Cant we just bury bicycling again and forget about the whole sordid doping horde of crybags?


Whatever dude. The peloton is cleaner than MLB and NFL but you don't see me going into those threads whining about how they are all a bunch of dopers.
 
2013-01-06 04:43:54 AM

New Age Redneck: chewielouie

Wait, you actually believe Lemond raced clean? Now THAT'S adorable.

Wait, you have evidence he doped? That's adorable, you mouth breathing f*cktard.

/troll points cause you got me....


Same evidence against Armstrong works the same way against Lemond.  He was beating dopers.
 
2013-01-06 08:49:52 AM

relaxitsjustme: New Age Redneck: chewielouie

Wait, you actually believe Lemond raced clean? Now THAT'S adorable.

Wait, you have evidence he doped? That's adorable, you mouth breathing f*cktard.

/troll points cause you got me....

Same evidence against Armstrong works the same way against Lemond.  He was beating dopers.


I think you'll find the evidence against Armstrong is pages and pages of sworn eye witness testimony.
 
2013-01-06 11:00:58 PM

gwowen: relaxitsjustme: New Age Redneck: chewielouie

Wait, you actually believe Lemond raced clean? Now THAT'S adorable.

Wait, you have evidence he doped? That's adorable, you mouth breathing f*cktard.

/troll points cause you got me....

Same evidence against Armstrong works the same way against Lemond.  He was beating dopers.

I think you'll find the evidence against Armstrong is pages and pages of sworn eye witness testimony.


Now they do but for years and years all they had were rumors.  Let's see was a Federal prosecutor with a couple million dollar budget and the power to subpoena people to testify before a grand jury go after Lemond and everybody who was around him and see what they can find. Which is the only way they got Armstrong BTW.  Novitsky couldn't find enough to charge him in court so he turned over all his paperwork to the USADA.

Which brings us back to where we started.  How could Lemond beat known dopers?
 
2013-01-07 01:22:45 AM

relaxitsjustme: How could Lemond beat known dopers?


Well, be specific. Which known dopers were dominating the sport before LeMond beat them? And what were they doping on?

The general consensus is that blood-doping and EPO became widespread at the top of the Peloton around '91 and 92, and HGH later, which means the rise of red-blood-cell doping -- which is the big performance enhancer in cycling coincides with the point at which Lemond stopped winning. That's when the times for the legendary ascents got silly, and Lemond was never in that group (and nor are Wiggins, Froome, Evans etc).

Was there doping before that? Yes -- cyclists scarfed down amphetamines like Willie Mays -- but there's a qualitative difference between that and the systematic blood doping that came after.
 
2013-01-07 02:59:23 AM

gwowen: relaxitsjustme: How could Lemond beat known dopers?

Well, be specific. Which known dopers were dominating the sport before LeMond beat them? And what were they doping on?

The general consensus is that blood-doping and EPO became widespread at the top of the Peloton around '91 and 92, and HGH later, which means the rise of red-blood-cell doping -- which is the big performance enhancer in cycling coincides with the point at which Lemond stopped winning. That's when the times for the legendary ascents got silly, and Lemond was never in that group (and nor are Wiggins, Froome, Evans etc).

Was there doping before that? Yes -- cyclists scarfed down amphetamines like Willie Mays -- but there's a qualitative difference between that and the systematic blood doping that came after.


Ahhh I see.  Speed, blood transfusions = Ok cheating.  EPO = cheating that goes too far.  I agree that EPO completely changed the sport but if you google the name of cyclists + doping that finished 2nd, 3rd, etc. behind Lemond in the Tours he won they are all dirty.  Except Greg, funny no?  Kind of like how it used to be with Lance.  Come on, Lemond has the 2nd fastest ITT in the history of the tour riding bikes that are no where near as aero or stiff as the bikes used today.  An ITT record that finally fell in 2005 during the height of the EPO era.  You think he was able to do that because he was just that determined?
 
Displayed 49 of 49 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report