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(Reno Gazette-Journal)   You need to preregister in order to purchase with your credit card a $380 ticket to this year's Burning Man. Remember when this used to be about anti-establishment and non-conformity or something? "I love Burning Man"   (rgj.com) divider line 42
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2013-01-05 11:20:05 AM
4 votes:
The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.
2013-01-05 07:31:12 AM
4 votes:
Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

/These skinny pants are cutting off the blood to my feet
2013-01-05 10:26:16 AM
3 votes:

CarnySaur: If you're pining for the early days of Burning Man, hopefully that means you've either outgrown it or have been in the workforce long enough to be able to afford a $380 ticket. just invite a bunch of friends to a bonfire on the beach.

2013-01-05 10:13:09 AM
3 votes:

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.


This. I understand what it's "supposed" to be be about, but the reality is basically you have 5% actual artists, 35% wannabe artists, and 60% people who are just overindulgent. I went in 2011. My conclusion is that if I want art, I'll go to a gallery or a museum. If I want to camp somewhere, then I'll go camping somewhere. If I want to rave out all night on a head full of drugs, then I can go find somewhere to do that, too. Combining all 3 into a week doesn't really work, though. It's a pain to get there, a nightmare to exit, and there's a pervasive sense of "you're not burner enough" when you walk around BRC.

That said, I met some very nice people there, but that was more the exception than the rule. It was really a lot of people trying to out-edge and out-weird each other, taking the whole experience as an excuse to behave poorly. Even simple things, like starting a conversation with the person next to you at the bar, were looked upon with a certain sense of wariness, like "what do you want from me, or what can I get from you?"
2013-01-05 10:05:36 AM
3 votes:

djslowdive: You had to pre-register last year as well. And I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.


I've never paid $380 to wander through a cesspool, either. Does that render me "clueless" about the sheer magnificence of the experience?

The first time I heard of Burning Man, perhaps 1998-1999, I thought it sounded like fun. Parts of it still do. However, it has become a parody of itself. It's become this mecca-like pilgrimage for the self possessed "performance artists" / "multimedia artists" / Starbucks employees of America. Also, I don't understand the attraction of spending a week with thousands of unwashed, smelly, dusty, STD-coated throngs raising a cacophony with their various Seuss inspired instruments. Well, aside from all the naked b00bs to be seen.
2013-01-05 12:08:35 PM
2 votes:

abhorrent1: Do the people who go to burning man even have money?


The median Burning Man attendee is probably wealthier than the median Farker.

You know how if you scrub the greasepaint off of a random sampling of Juggalos at their Gathering, you come up with a lot more junior management trainees and sociology grad students than you'd expect? Burning Man is the same, except with middle managers and sociology professors.

To be fair to the BM crowd (ewww) I think there's a lot less "fark the Man!" than there is "fark it, I'm 44 and I want to take mild hallucinogens and stand around naked looking at kinetic art for a weekend."

Seriously, ask about it at your next faculty meeting and see how many hands go up.
2013-01-05 11:53:58 AM
2 votes:
 I have been to Grateful Dead concerts, Raindbow Gatherings, Mardi Gras, musical festivals, etc.

One thing for sure is the older I get the less down I am with smelly ass fake hippies hugging me and asking me for a slug of my water because I had the foresight to bring some when the did not.

Nor do I need to hang out with white collar Californians who like to get off the grid for a week, so that makes them "pertinent" and hip.

I will continue to go to the Festival of El Diablo in Rio Sucio, Colombia.

The entire town dresses like a devil for a hellacious party.  Then at the end of it they burn the Devil in effigy in a huge celebration.

The hippie chicks there bathe and shave their legs.  A hold over from the local indian population that taught the dirty Europeans that washing your ass has merit.

extroversia.universia.net.co

tecnoautos.com

www.carnavalriosucio.org
2013-01-05 10:54:53 AM
2 votes:
The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.
2013-01-05 10:08:34 AM
2 votes:
Burning Man doesn't need corporations and money! They should have one guy who, like, makes bread. And one guy who, like, looks out for other people's safety. It should be a place where people live together and. like, provide services for each other in exchange for their services.
2013-01-05 10:02:18 AM
2 votes:
If you want a less ungodly expensive experiences, go to the regional Burns.

/going to SOAK in June
2013-01-05 09:53:39 AM
2 votes:
I only went once.  I did not have that much fun, that alkali sand/dirt coated my every belonging for weeks afterward, and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.  I think it's not for me.  I'll keep my $380, thanks.
2013-01-05 09:47:30 AM
2 votes:

stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"


Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.
2013-01-05 09:42:08 AM
2 votes:

stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.


Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.
2013-01-05 09:41:46 AM
2 votes:
What a dilemma for the stoners, spend $380 to go hang out with fellow stoners to be anit establishment , sticking it to the man anti-capitalists, Not realizing that part of that $380 goes to the man and capitalism

or

Stay home and buy more pot with that $380 dollars and talk about how Burning Man has sold out and by not going you are sticking it to the man and being anti-establishment while you get stoned in your mom's basement

or

Donate the $380 to your favorie anti-establishment sticking it to the man cause like NORMAL or Earth First

or

Donate the $380 to a charity. food bank, homeless shelter.
2013-01-05 01:45:50 PM
1 votes:

bunner: The fat is as plain as the balls on a tall dog. It what grows slowly as the telephone game of "we need" goes down the chain of "well, I got to have at LEAST *pulls number out of ass* for THAT".


This happens, I might add, because everybody with a shingle and an EIN is not only convinced they are always entitled to make more money than last year, NO MATTER WHAT, but that, and this is the punchline, it's actually physically possible. Ahhhhhh, hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
2013-01-05 01:30:22 PM
1 votes:

bunner: djslowdive: Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report

Those are some very interesting numbers. I can't help but think that any given logistics and purchasing manager and a good CPA could have shaved a lot of hair off of that pig.


That sounds like the same sort of hand waving that republicans use when they say, "We can cut the excess fat from government and still provide the same services"

It may be true, but I'll believe it when someone actually points out the fat
2013-01-05 01:12:38 PM
1 votes:

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


I really doubt you could do either one of those things. Untrained volunteers are just not very good for skilled work like controlled demolition or property renovation. The event doesn't last long enough to train them and they probably wouldn't be willing or able to commit longer term. Trying to get them to do anything useful would honestly probably just result in a giant mess that would do more harm than good.

Plus, I think you are drastically underestimating the cost of either of those things you list.
2013-01-05 12:39:10 PM
1 votes:
If I remember right, the price spikes of BM tickets in the last few years has been because of some local anti-BM crusader has gotten the government (state or federal, I forget which) to jack the permitting prices through the roof.

/so no, hippie stompers, that $20 mil isn't all going to a bunch of unwashed vagrants
//it's propping up big government conservatives in the desert
2013-01-05 12:37:04 PM
1 votes:

my alt's alt's alt: RCon: The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.

as a former (local) burner, i concur. i would even go a step further and call the lot of them "almost completely phony and relentlessly, notoriously flaky and closed minded to boot"

and it IS about the money. you don't need $22 million for trash pickup and standby emergency personnel.


Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report
2013-01-05 12:30:19 PM
1 votes:
I got nothing against art. I'm an artist. I'm also a recording artist, singer / songwriter, engineer and I co-produce records. I got nothing inherently against commerce. I have bills, too. What chaps my ass is the pose. Because I learned something in my decades of being simmered in hipness, the glitterati, dining with rock legends and rubbing elbows with "cutting edge "artists.

If who we were prevents you from being who you are, then you are not who you think you are and you're not "creating" anything. Everybody borrows. Art, like life, started a long time ago and just keeps rolling along. This is a good thing because art helps keep humanity's cookies in one basket. Art is good for you.

Dismantling the things that DO work that came before you doesn't make a brave new world.

It just kicks the ladder away from your Über elite tree house. And by the time the tree house gets big enough to be of any use, it's already been whored out and turned into a cash cow for people who would happily wipe their ass with whatever brings the money in. And that's part of the problem.
2013-01-05 12:12:32 PM
1 votes:
Welp, looks like the girlfriend and I are going to PAX this year. $380 apiece is probably more than she and I can afford.

PAX has long been my tradition (past 5 years or so), while Burning Man was always hers. The two almost always conflict, at least partially, so while I'd been curious about going, I didn't feel like interfering with my enjoyment of PAX.

Last year PAX tickets sold out in like 2 hours, and they happened to go on sale while everyone in the group I go with was out doing other things (I was actually driving two of them around Tahoe, since they were in town). Consequently my schedule was free, and in an even weirder twist of fate I managed to get two of the $240 tickets to Burning Man. My girlfriend was thrilled, since it meant she got to show me something she loves.

I've gotta say, Burning Man has some really really neat things going for it. The atmosphere really is unlike anything else, and no it's not "air laced with patchouli", ha ha, grow up. Lights and shiny things everywhere, MASSIVE buildings and art installations that just weren't there a few days before. We were camped next to a four-story club/DJ camp, with useable space on every level, and that was small compared to a lot of these things. There were little things that were awesome too, like the guy we found standing at an intersection making free smores using a rather inventive cooking station built on a converted marching drum harness, or when we randomly happened across a showing of Dark Side of the Rainbow that was, I have to say, rather well synced. Oh, and let's not forget the fresh sushi someone had flown in, because they felt like it. It was also rather unpleasant at times. The heat during the day is epic, and the temperature drop at night can be startling to say the least. Dust everywhere, noise everywhere (though it turns into shapeless white noise by day two)... it's very taxing.

Point is, I'm glad I went, I did have fun, I would happily go back, but I'm not going to be heartbroken if I can't. Plus, my girlfriend had her year to show me her annual trip of awesomeness. This year it may be my turn to show her mine, which has swag, and game demos, and Wil Wheaton, and Jonothan Coulton, and most importantly, Air Conditioning.
2013-01-05 12:07:23 PM
1 votes:
Shame about Burning Man, would have liked to have gone while it was still open entry. Sounds like it's winding down like every yearly cultural event tends to do after awhile.

At least I can get a laugh from all the reactionary tools here circlejerking about how "pathetic" these "burnouts" are. Just screams of shallow losers who never did anything fun in their lives, and are gleefully cheering the decline of a fun event; total purestrain schadenfreude. It's like when I tell people I'm looking forward to trip overseas and their only response is, "Why?" Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery. Oh right, it's not "real" art, or something like that.
2013-01-05 11:49:54 AM
1 votes:

RCon: The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.


as a former (local) burner, i concur. i would even go a step further and call the lot of them "almost completely phony and relentlessly, notoriously flaky and closed minded to boot"

and it IS about the money. you don't need $22 million for trash pickup and standby emergency personnel.
2013-01-05 11:35:21 AM
1 votes:
If there are smelly naked hippie chicks, I'd really like to go
2013-01-05 11:17:20 AM
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.


Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as BM.

i.imgur.com
2013-01-05 10:50:53 AM
1 votes:
Blithe spirit, free thinking, world wandering hippie is just one more clown suit, primarily donned by smirky hypocrites whilst sucking down designer water, lattès and trading stories about how unhip everybody else is and comparing passport stamp counts. And if we haven't learned yet that nothing in this country lasts more than a week unless it moves money around, and the people who already have most of it get a healthy portion of the proceeds, we're dumber than we look.
2013-01-05 10:45:27 AM
1 votes:

ows: the malcom in the middle episode with burning man was great. hal pulls up in a motor home, rolls out the artificial grass and gas grill, while wearing a tourist outfit, all the freaks thought it was his interpretation.


I'm thinking Cranston pulling up in an RV might elicit a somewhat different response now.
ows
2013-01-05 10:39:22 AM
1 votes:
the malcom in the middle episode with burning man was great. hal pulls up in a motor home, rolls out the artificial grass and gas grill, while wearing a tourist outfit, all the freaks thought it was his interpretation.
2013-01-05 10:25:19 AM
1 votes:

rhiannon: Next year, it's being renamed Burn-Con and being moved into an exhibition center. Wil Wheaton and Amy Jo Johnson will be doing signings.


If I get to see Amy Jo Johnson naked it may be worth it
2013-01-05 10:20:46 AM
1 votes:

stratagos:
You are one cynical MFer.


Working at a hardware store, I deal with self-described Burner artist types on a daily basis. Some are decent, most are flaky douchebags, a few are narcissistic hypocritical assholes.

I also know several decent, otherwise-normal peeps who go to BM, but they don't self identify as "Burners". :-)
2013-01-05 10:18:50 AM
1 votes:
Next year, it's being renamed Burn-Con and being moved into an exhibition center. Wil Wheaton and Amy Jo Johnson will be doing signings.
2013-01-05 10:13:08 AM
1 votes:
I liked last years Burning Man that was corporate sponsored.

Burning Man brought to you by Carl's Jr!
2013-01-05 10:12:52 AM
1 votes:

SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.


And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.
2013-01-05 09:57:34 AM
1 votes:
veedeevadeevoodee

Where have you been hiding?
2013-01-05 09:49:41 AM
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.


Yeah, cut out the middle man and scalp directly
2013-01-05 09:49:40 AM
1 votes:

djslowdive: I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.


I've never been and really have no opinion on it other than $400 seems like an awful lot of money to go to a bon-fire party in the desert. Are they renting the land from someone? What's the overhead?
2013-01-05 09:46:33 AM
1 votes:

emersonbiggins: Isn't Burning Man owned by Clear Channel now?


55,000 x 380 = 20,900,000
2013-01-05 09:45:41 AM
1 votes:
You had to pre-register last year as well. And I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.
2013-01-05 09:37:29 AM
1 votes:

stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people


your statement sucks

// your slashies are genius
2013-01-05 08:59:34 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, but if you're into smelly, naked hippie chicks, it's worth every penny.
2013-01-05 08:22:28 AM
1 votes:
I'm more interested on the summer festival lineups this year.
2013-01-05 07:19:42 AM
1 votes:
No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people
 
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