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(Reno Gazette-Journal)   You need to preregister in order to purchase with your credit card a $380 ticket to this year's Burning Man. Remember when this used to be about anti-establishment and non-conformity or something? "I love Burning Man"   (rgj.com ) divider line
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2013-01-05 10:39:22 AM  
the malcom in the middle episode with burning man was great. hal pulls up in a motor home, rolls out the artificial grass and gas grill, while wearing a tourist outfit, all the freaks thought it was his interpretation.
 
2013-01-05 10:44:12 AM  
No snarky... But I always enjoy the annual Fark Burning Man thread. Mostly for the fantasies.
 
2013-01-05 10:45:27 AM  

ows: the malcom in the middle episode with burning man was great. hal pulls up in a motor home, rolls out the artificial grass and gas grill, while wearing a tourist outfit, all the freaks thought it was his interpretation.


I'm thinking Cranston pulling up in an RV might elicit a somewhat different response now.
 
2013-01-05 10:47:17 AM  
Dancin_In_Anson:

Where have you been hiding?

farm8.staticflickr.com

went into hibernation with a supply of Dogfish Head 90 Minute until election season was well over.

/ not me
 
2013-01-05 10:50:53 AM  
Blithe spirit, free thinking, world wandering hippie is just one more clown suit, primarily donned by smirky hypocrites whilst sucking down designer water, lattès and trading stories about how unhip everybody else is and comparing passport stamp counts. And if we haven't learned yet that nothing in this country lasts more than a week unless it moves money around, and the people who already have most of it get a healthy portion of the proceeds, we're dumber than we look.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:53 AM  
The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.
 
2013-01-05 10:56:23 AM  

stratagos: Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about". Please, share how *you* would solve the issues the organizers are apparently facing.

You... You *do* have a viable solution to present as an alternative, correct? One that maintains a reasonable level of safety, gets the bills paid, and doesn't turn the event into your own personal wankfest?

The point I was trying to make to whinemitter - and you - is that if you can't come up with a better solution than what is being pursued, you sound like a petulant child, angry because mommy won't buy another toy. You wants what you wants, and dammit, why doesn't the universe cater to you!


Awwww, little burner doesn't like having his favorite event called out for the farce it has become. Petulant child indeed.

media.washtimes.com
 
2013-01-05 10:57:49 AM  
I'm curious as to how one might be able to designate themselves a "hard core" attendee at a gathering with a huge bonfire and a lot of dope.
 
2013-01-05 11:03:09 AM  
I'll stick with FIGAWI.
I know what to expect sailing from Hyannis Port to Nantucket.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:10 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: went into hibernation with a supply of Dogfish Head 90 Minute until election season was well over.


Solid planning. Goo to see you.
 
2013-01-05 11:09:24 AM  
If you flew over that place with a crop duster loaded with hand sanitizer you would just be doing everyone a big favor.
 
2013-01-05 11:16:59 AM  

the1hatman: stratagos: Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about". Please, share how *you* would solve the issues the organizers are apparently facing.

You... You *do* have a viable solution to present as an alternative, correct? One that maintains a reasonable level of safety, gets the bills paid, and doesn't turn the event into your own personal wankfest?

The point I was trying to make to whinemitter - and you - is that if you can't come up with a better solution than what is being pursued, you sound like a petulant child, angry because mommy won't buy another toy. You wants what you wants, and dammit, why doesn't the universe cater to you!

Awwww, little burner doesn't like having his favorite event called out for the farce it has become. Petulant child indeed.


I am highly amused by your assumption I give two shiats about BM. I simply enjoy calling out stupidity when I see it - such as whining about how the magic money fairy doesn't sprinkle cash upon the Worthy so they can 'express themselves'.

I'd call your assumption about me stupid, but I've done the same thing, so I'll just put it down the laziness
 
2013-01-05 11:17:20 AM  

MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.


Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as BM.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-05 11:19:48 AM  

Johnny Bananapeel: MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as a BM.


/ftfy
 
2013-01-05 11:20:05 AM  
The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.
 
2013-01-05 11:22:35 AM  

bunner: if we haven't learned yet that nothing in this country lasts more than a week unless it moves money around and the people who already have most of it get a healthy portion of the proceeds, we're dumber than we look.


THIS.

/I only removed one comma.
//The fat cats getting the proceeds is a condition of anything lasting >1 week.
 
2013-01-05 11:26:05 AM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


Yeah, except nobody wants to be the guy/gal who gets jacked up. And those who pack heat in self-defense don't believe those brown people deserve help.
 
2013-01-05 11:28:25 AM  

Johnny Bananapeel: Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as a BM.


FTFY
 
2013-01-05 11:29:44 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: Johnny Bananapeel: MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as a BM.

/ftfy


Aw crap
 
2013-01-05 11:31:41 AM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


"But that's like, you know, not, like, fun and sh*t and this is so much more Meaningful™ on a level you couldn't possibly understand!" Money and time. The most ill used and misapplied commodities on earth.
 
2013-01-05 11:35:21 AM  
If there are smelly naked hippie chicks, I'd really like to go
 
2013-01-05 11:40:50 AM  

abhorrent1: SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.

And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.


They took their PARENTS to Burning Man!!1!

/if I could, I'd go once. Then I'd burn my clothes and scrub with steel wool until the patchouli washes off
 
2013-01-05 11:42:12 AM  

bunner: I'm curious as to how one might be able to designate themselves a "hard core" attendee at a gathering with a huge bonfire and a lot of dope.



Sobriety.
 
2013-01-05 11:43:00 AM  
...and maybe a fire hose ?
 
2013-01-05 11:49:54 AM  

RCon: The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.


as a former (local) burner, i concur. i would even go a step further and call the lot of them "almost completely phony and relentlessly, notoriously flaky and closed minded to boot"

and it IS about the money. you don't need $22 million for trash pickup and standby emergency personnel.
 
2013-01-05 11:53:58 AM  
 I have been to Grateful Dead concerts, Raindbow Gatherings, Mardi Gras, musical festivals, etc.

One thing for sure is the older I get the less down I am with smelly ass fake hippies hugging me and asking me for a slug of my water because I had the foresight to bring some when the did not.

Nor do I need to hang out with white collar Californians who like to get off the grid for a week, so that makes them "pertinent" and hip.

I will continue to go to the Festival of El Diablo in Rio Sucio, Colombia.

The entire town dresses like a devil for a hellacious party.  Then at the end of it they burn the Devil in effigy in a huge celebration.

The hippie chicks there bathe and shave their legs.  A hold over from the local indian population that taught the dirty Europeans that washing your ass has merit.

extroversia.universia.net.co

tecnoautos.com

www.carnavalriosucio.org
 
2013-01-05 11:55:00 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.


For real? No, you're pulling my leg, right?
These threads remind me of people arguing about the Grateful Dead. They were so so cool, so under the radar, then they were played out, then they were beyond your understanding, so just shut up, then they were too popular, so I don't go see them anymore, then.....well, then Garcia died. Thank god that shiat was done.

But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.
 
2013-01-05 12:00:28 PM  

cryinoutloud: But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.


I wonder if any of the bright, new young Turks that roll over the hipster flag du jour every 25 years ever sorted out that there might be a reason that dismissing our elders - and blowing off the history they have lived through and what it has taught them - being codified into our culture might not be a good idea or even their idea. We got cherry, grape, strawberry.. ice? Yeah, we got ice. Large or small?
 
2013-01-05 12:07:14 PM  
I'm guessing soap, deodorant and perfume are not big sellers at Burning Man?
 
2013-01-05 12:07:23 PM  
Shame about Burning Man, would have liked to have gone while it was still open entry. Sounds like it's winding down like every yearly cultural event tends to do after awhile.

At least I can get a laugh from all the reactionary tools here circlejerking about how "pathetic" these "burnouts" are. Just screams of shallow losers who never did anything fun in their lives, and are gleefully cheering the decline of a fun event; total purestrain schadenfreude. It's like when I tell people I'm looking forward to trip overseas and their only response is, "Why?" Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery. Oh right, it's not "real" art, or something like that.
 
2013-01-05 12:07:30 PM  

cryinoutloud: BarkingUnicorn: I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.

For real? No, you're pulling my leg, right?
These threads remind me of people arguing about the Grateful Dead. They were so so cool, so under the radar, then they were played out, then they were beyond your understanding, so just shut up, then they were too popular, so I don't go see them anymore, then.....well, then Garcia died. Thank god that shiat was done.

But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.


You sound old.

/old
 
2013-01-05 12:08:35 PM  

abhorrent1: Do the people who go to burning man even have money?


The median Burning Man attendee is probably wealthier than the median Farker.

You know how if you scrub the greasepaint off of a random sampling of Juggalos at their Gathering, you come up with a lot more junior management trainees and sociology grad students than you'd expect? Burning Man is the same, except with middle managers and sociology professors.

To be fair to the BM crowd (ewww) I think there's a lot less "fark the Man!" than there is "fark it, I'm 44 and I want to take mild hallucinogens and stand around naked looking at kinetic art for a weekend."

Seriously, ask about it at your next faculty meeting and see how many hands go up.
 
2013-01-05 12:09:16 PM  
You know who else loved Burning Man?


Some NSFW subtitles, btw.
 
2013-01-05 12:10:40 PM  

rmoody: Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery.


I have produced, directed and performed over 3,000 live shows and events. I'm not cheering anything. Just putting up the emperor's naked ass on the jumbotron, as usual. You sound, how can I say this, like somebody who has their bills payed for them. And that's nice.
 
2013-01-05 12:10:59 PM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.
 
2013-01-05 12:11:45 PM  

rmoody: Shame about Burning Man, would have liked to have gone while it was still open entry. Sounds like it's winding down like every yearly cultural event tends to do after awhile.

At least I can get a laugh from all the reactionary tools here circlejerking about how "pathetic" these "burnouts" are. Just screams of shallow losers who never did anything fun in their lives, and are gleefully cheering the decline of a fun event; total purestrain schadenfreude. It's like when I tell people I'm looking forward to trip overseas and their only response is, "Why?" Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery. Oh right, it's not "real" art, or something like that.


Hit Colombia this time of year, the ferias(local festivals) are going on for the next six weeks.  So you got them in Cali, Medellin, Manizales, and Rio Sucio.  There is no excuse or reason to party, they just party like there is no tomorrow.  No need to whitewash it with the sticking it to the man shtick of burning man.  People just get all pagan and throw down.

Third world degeneracy trumps first world degeneracy.

/not allowed to be degenerate any more because hot young third world wife put a stop to it.
 
2013-01-05 12:12:15 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.

Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.


Lots of wonderful things, I imagine. And of course, they could just rent it on DVD later. : )
 
2013-01-05 12:12:32 PM  
Welp, looks like the girlfriend and I are going to PAX this year. $380 apiece is probably more than she and I can afford.

PAX has long been my tradition (past 5 years or so), while Burning Man was always hers. The two almost always conflict, at least partially, so while I'd been curious about going, I didn't feel like interfering with my enjoyment of PAX.

Last year PAX tickets sold out in like 2 hours, and they happened to go on sale while everyone in the group I go with was out doing other things (I was actually driving two of them around Tahoe, since they were in town). Consequently my schedule was free, and in an even weirder twist of fate I managed to get two of the $240 tickets to Burning Man. My girlfriend was thrilled, since it meant she got to show me something she loves.

I've gotta say, Burning Man has some really really neat things going for it. The atmosphere really is unlike anything else, and no it's not "air laced with patchouli", ha ha, grow up. Lights and shiny things everywhere, MASSIVE buildings and art installations that just weren't there a few days before. We were camped next to a four-story club/DJ camp, with useable space on every level, and that was small compared to a lot of these things. There were little things that were awesome too, like the guy we found standing at an intersection making free smores using a rather inventive cooking station built on a converted marching drum harness, or when we randomly happened across a showing of Dark Side of the Rainbow that was, I have to say, rather well synced. Oh, and let's not forget the fresh sushi someone had flown in, because they felt like it. It was also rather unpleasant at times. The heat during the day is epic, and the temperature drop at night can be startling to say the least. Dust everywhere, noise everywhere (though it turns into shapeless white noise by day two)... it's very taxing.

Point is, I'm glad I went, I did have fun, I would happily go back, but I'm not going to be heartbroken if I can't. Plus, my girlfriend had her year to show me her annual trip of awesomeness. This year it may be my turn to show her mine, which has swag, and game demos, and Wil Wheaton, and Jonothan Coulton, and most importantly, Air Conditioning.
 
2013-01-05 12:17:54 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.


Fark you, that was a good movie.

You can have my money and time from, I don't know, Unbreakable.
 
2013-01-05 12:17:55 PM  

bunner: Tyrone Slothrop: BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.

Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.

Lots of wonderful things, I imagine. And of course, they could just rent it on DVD later. : )


According to IMDB, Avengers grossed $1,511,757,910. Even minus the cost to make the movie it still made over a billion. I think movie goers have a lot more to answer for than burners.

/Not a burner, but hate the hipper than hipster crowd.
 
2013-01-05 12:20:45 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: According to IMDB, Avengers grossed $1,511,757,910. Even minus the cost to make the movie it still made over a billion.


So, a LOT of wonderful things?
 
2013-01-05 12:23:16 PM  

emersonbiggins: I'm thinking Cranston pulling up in an RV might elicit a somewhat different response now.


Ha. Poor guy, I never thought about that. Instead of autograph seekers and fledgling screenwriters bothering him at Starbucks, he's probably fending off tweakers everywhere he goes.
 
2013-01-05 12:30:19 PM  
I got nothing against art. I'm an artist. I'm also a recording artist, singer / songwriter, engineer and I co-produce records. I got nothing inherently against commerce. I have bills, too. What chaps my ass is the pose. Because I learned something in my decades of being simmered in hipness, the glitterati, dining with rock legends and rubbing elbows with "cutting edge "artists.

If who we were prevents you from being who you are, then you are not who you think you are and you're not "creating" anything. Everybody borrows. Art, like life, started a long time ago and just keeps rolling along. This is a good thing because art helps keep humanity's cookies in one basket. Art is good for you.

Dismantling the things that DO work that came before you doesn't make a brave new world.

It just kicks the ladder away from your Über elite tree house. And by the time the tree house gets big enough to be of any use, it's already been whored out and turned into a cash cow for people who would happily wipe their ass with whatever brings the money in. And that's part of the problem.
 
2013-01-05 12:37:04 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: RCon: The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.

as a former (local) burner, i concur. i would even go a step further and call the lot of them "almost completely phony and relentlessly, notoriously flaky and closed minded to boot"

and it IS about the money. you don't need $22 million for trash pickup and standby emergency personnel.


Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report
 
2013-01-05 12:39:10 PM  
If I remember right, the price spikes of BM tickets in the last few years has been because of some local anti-BM crusader has gotten the government (state or federal, I forget which) to jack the permitting prices through the roof.

/so no, hippie stompers, that $20 mil isn't all going to a bunch of unwashed vagrants
//it's propping up big government conservatives in the desert
 
2013-01-05 12:40:53 PM  

djslowdive: Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report


Those are some very interesting numbers. I can't help but think that any given logistics and purchasing manager and a good CPA could have shaved a lot of hair off of that pig.
 
2013-01-05 12:46:07 PM  
Went once in 2k2. It was really fun but I think I almost enjoyed the trip out (from fl) at least as much, if not more than the event itself. It is pretty extreme conditions though, Hard to think that so many people would be rushing to a place where it gets so damn hot and cold within a 24 hour period.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-01-05 12:52:43 PM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


I read a rather cool article a few years ago about artists and planners talking about tearing down empty Detroit houses and reopening up the natural streams that are now trapped under the city and restoring the land to be parks and such wih trails along the streams.

Seemed like a cool idea. I assume it will never be done.
Cool idea if we had a modern day work corps like during the Great Depression, but I guess it's better to have people sit on welfare instead of on a project the could be proud of.
 
2013-01-05 01:05:49 PM  

Spade: I read a rather cool article a few years ago about artists and planners talking about tearing down empty Detroit houses and reopening up the natural streams that are now trapped under the city and restoring the land to be parks and such wih trails along the streams.

Seemed like a cool idea. I assume it will never be done.
Cool idea if we had a modern day work corps like during the Great Depression, but I guess it's better to have people sit on welfare instead of on a project the could be proud of.


A lot of people, a long time ago, bought up a bunch of land, houses and buildings and then let them rot and when the manufacturing sector bubbled out and huge old facilities were just left fallow. This, however, has not prevented them from whining long and loud about their investments, what they feel entitled to get as a return on them, or from demanding that the buildings be used as they we're "originally purposed".

This is all despite the fact that re-purposing what IS still standing is about the only thing left to do. Your office is now a shoulder bag, a laptop and a WiFi node. The typing pool is a printer at Kinko's and the morning commute consists of making coffee and going into the spare bedroom and booting up your lappie. Sh*t changed.

The post war boom bubble has burst and what moves money around and how to best serve the people in our society with it - which, like it or not, is the whole point of all this jazz - doesn't work the way it did in 1960, anymore. Vacant lots and burned out shards of once proud industrial complexes and ratty, collapsing neighborhoods aren't worth what you payed for them in 1950 and nobody is gonna open a new business in your clapped out shell of a factory that you want 30,000,000.00 for, mister businessman.

Deal.
 
2013-01-05 01:12:38 PM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


I really doubt you could do either one of those things. Untrained volunteers are just not very good for skilled work like controlled demolition or property renovation. The event doesn't last long enough to train them and they probably wouldn't be willing or able to commit longer term. Trying to get them to do anything useful would honestly probably just result in a giant mess that would do more harm than good.

Plus, I think you are drastically underestimating the cost of either of those things you list.
 
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