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(Reno Gazette-Journal)   You need to preregister in order to purchase with your credit card a $380 ticket to this year's Burning Man. Remember when this used to be about anti-establishment and non-conformity or something? "I love Burning Man"   (rgj.com) divider line 123
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2013-01-05 07:19:42 AM  
No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people
 
2013-01-05 07:31:12 AM  
Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

/These skinny pants are cutting off the blood to my feet
 
2013-01-05 08:22:28 AM  
I'm more interested on the summer festival lineups this year.
 
2013-01-05 08:59:34 AM  
Yeah, but if you're into smelly, naked hippie chicks, it's worth every penny.
 
2013-01-05 09:33:14 AM  
fc04.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-05 09:37:19 AM  
Why don't you sell some of your seed?

/burning person
 
2013-01-05 09:37:29 AM  

stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people


your statement sucks

// your slashies are genius
 
2013-01-05 09:37:34 AM  
Do the people who go to burning man even have money?
 
2013-01-05 09:41:21 AM  
5 or more drinks per sitting is "binge" drinking? I thought it was going out all night and drinking your ass off for 10 hours.

6', 250lb power lifter takes a 6 pack to get a glimmer of a buzz. Damn, I "binge" every time I drink.
 
2013-01-05 09:41:41 AM  
Subby sounds like a hipster.
They should burn the hipsters out in the desert but hippies are to stoned to get that done.
 
2013-01-05 09:41:46 AM  
What a dilemma for the stoners, spend $380 to go hang out with fellow stoners to be anit establishment , sticking it to the man anti-capitalists, Not realizing that part of that $380 goes to the man and capitalism

or

Stay home and buy more pot with that $380 dollars and talk about how Burning Man has sold out and by not going you are sticking it to the man and being anti-establishment while you get stoned in your mom's basement

or

Donate the $380 to your favorie anti-establishment sticking it to the man cause like NORMAL or Earth First

or

Donate the $380 to a charity. food bank, homeless shelter.
 
2013-01-05 09:42:02 AM  
Ooops, wrong thread.
 
2013-01-05 09:42:08 AM  

stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.


Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.
 
2013-01-05 09:43:47 AM  
i43.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-05 09:44:43 AM  
Isn't Burning Man owned by Clear Channel now?
 
2013-01-05 09:44:47 AM  
If you're pining for the early days of Burning Man, hopefully that means you've either outgrown it or have been in the workforce long enough to be able to afford a $380 ticket.
 
2013-01-05 09:45:41 AM  
You had to pre-register last year as well. And I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.
 
2013-01-05 09:46:33 AM  

emersonbiggins: Isn't Burning Man owned by Clear Channel now?


55,000 x 380 = 20,900,000
 
2013-01-05 09:46:38 AM  
www.stopthem.org
 
2013-01-05 09:47:30 AM  

stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"


Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:40 AM  

djslowdive: I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.


I've never been and really have no opinion on it other than $400 seems like an awful lot of money to go to a bon-fire party in the desert. Are they renting the land from someone? What's the overhead?
 
2013-01-05 09:49:41 AM  

Flakeloaf: stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.


Yeah, cut out the middle man and scalp directly
 
2013-01-05 09:53:39 AM  
I only went once.  I did not have that much fun, that alkali sand/dirt coated my every belonging for weeks afterward, and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.  I think it's not for me.  I'll keep my $380, thanks.
 
2013-01-05 09:56:49 AM  

SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.


What the hell goes on there?
 
2013-01-05 09:57:34 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee

Where have you been hiding?
 
2013-01-05 10:02:18 AM  
If you want a less ungodly expensive experiences, go to the regional Burns.

/going to SOAK in June
 
2013-01-05 10:02:23 AM  

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.


You are one cynical MFer.
 
2013-01-05 10:05:33 AM  

abhorrent1: Do the people who go to burning man even have money?


They trade patchouli, the money is so that newcomers can get a startup package of patchouli

/the money is then burnt
//how else do you think they get a fire started?
 
2013-01-05 10:05:36 AM  

djslowdive: You had to pre-register last year as well. And I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.


I've never paid $380 to wander through a cesspool, either. Does that render me "clueless" about the sheer magnificence of the experience?

The first time I heard of Burning Man, perhaps 1998-1999, I thought it sounded like fun. Parts of it still do. However, it has become a parody of itself. It's become this mecca-like pilgrimage for the self possessed "performance artists" / "multimedia artists" / Starbucks employees of America. Also, I don't understand the attraction of spending a week with thousands of unwashed, smelly, dusty, STD-coated throngs raising a cacophony with their various Seuss inspired instruments. Well, aside from all the naked b00bs to be seen.
 
2013-01-05 10:06:55 AM  

abhorrent1: djslowdive: I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.

I've never been and really have no opinion on it other than $400 seems like an awful lot of money to go to a bon-fire party in the desert. Are they renting the land from someone? What's the overhead?


They rent the land from the Bureau of Land Management. You can find a lot of information about where the money went in the Afterburn Reports (2012's hasn't been published, but 2011's is here)
 
2013-01-05 10:08:34 AM  
Burning Man doesn't need corporations and money! They should have one guy who, like, makes bread. And one guy who, like, looks out for other people's safety. It should be a place where people live together and. like, provide services for each other in exchange for their services.
 
2013-01-05 10:09:35 AM  

abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?


A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.
 
2013-01-05 10:12:52 AM  

SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.


And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.
 
2013-01-05 10:13:08 AM  
I liked last years Burning Man that was corporate sponsored.

Burning Man brought to you by Carl's Jr!
 
2013-01-05 10:13:09 AM  

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.


This. I understand what it's "supposed" to be be about, but the reality is basically you have 5% actual artists, 35% wannabe artists, and 60% people who are just overindulgent. I went in 2011. My conclusion is that if I want art, I'll go to a gallery or a museum. If I want to camp somewhere, then I'll go camping somewhere. If I want to rave out all night on a head full of drugs, then I can go find somewhere to do that, too. Combining all 3 into a week doesn't really work, though. It's a pain to get there, a nightmare to exit, and there's a pervasive sense of "you're not burner enough" when you walk around BRC.

That said, I met some very nice people there, but that was more the exception than the rule. It was really a lot of people trying to out-edge and out-weird each other, taking the whole experience as an excuse to behave poorly. Even simple things, like starting a conversation with the person next to you at the bar, were looked upon with a certain sense of wariness, like "what do you want from me, or what can I get from you?"
 
2013-01-05 10:14:31 AM  

unchellmatt: The first time I heard of Burning Man, perhaps 1998-1999, I thought it sounded like fun.



It sounds like something my college-era self would still think was fun.
 
2013-01-05 10:18:50 AM  
Next year, it's being renamed Burn-Con and being moved into an exhibition center. Wil Wheaton and Amy Jo Johnson will be doing signings.
 
2013-01-05 10:20:21 AM  
I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.
 
2013-01-05 10:20:46 AM  

stratagos:
You are one cynical MFer.


Working at a hardware store, I deal with self-described Burner artist types on a daily basis. Some are decent, most are flaky douchebags, a few are narcissistic hypocritical assholes.

I also know several decent, otherwise-normal peeps who go to BM, but they don't self identify as "Burners". :-)
 
2013-01-05 10:25:19 AM  

rhiannon: Next year, it's being renamed Burn-Con and being moved into an exhibition center. Wil Wheaton and Amy Jo Johnson will be doing signings.


If I get to see Amy Jo Johnson naked it may be worth it
 
2013-01-05 10:25:46 AM  
My dream Burning Man art installation is a recreation of Slim Pickens riding the bomb in Dr. Strangelove. With a real nuke.
 
2013-01-05 10:26:16 AM  

CarnySaur: If you're pining for the early days of Burning Man, hopefully that means you've either outgrown it or have been in the workforce long enough to be able to afford a $380 ticket. just invite a bunch of friends to a bonfire on the beach.

 
2013-01-05 10:27:01 AM  

stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people


Subby has a point, get the stick out of your ass... The thing only had permits in the first place so that participants wouldn't get arrested, it was never supposed to be about money and exclusive lists.
 
2013-01-05 10:27:32 AM  

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
You are one cynical MFer.

Working at a hardware store, I deal with self-described Burner artist types on a daily basis. Some are decent, most are flaky douchebags, a few are narcissistic hypocritical assholes.

I also know several decent, otherwise-normal peeps who go to BM, but they don't self identify as "Burners". :-)


Oh I enjoy cynicism, especially when it's genuine, and not poorly disguised bitterness ;)
 
2013-01-05 10:28:01 AM  

abhorrent1: SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.

And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.


There was a guy who was sleeping with, like, three girls at once (but not at the same time), so the girls were fighting among each other (the guy got off scot free, natch); and a girl and a guy who slept with each other much to the dismay of their respective spouses.  So our camp was tense.  I spent a lot of time away from it.
 
2013-01-05 10:29:07 AM  

Flakeloaf: stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.


I was interested when I first heard about it in 1996 or so. By 2000,it had list any real charm it had. When my brother in law went, I knew it was over.
 
2013-01-05 10:31:38 AM  
All my Burning Man memories are through that Malcolm in the Middle episode
 
Ral
2013-01-05 10:32:20 AM  
The wikipedia entry for Burning Man is an interesting read. It seems that a good deal of the money goes to expenses and not profit, per se. It's big enough now that they have to provide standby emergency personnel (in the middle of nowhere). The "leave no trace" policy is never observed, and the organizers of the event have to clean up the playa when the event is over. This is expensive.
 
2013-01-05 10:37:26 AM  

Mikey1969: stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people

Subby has a point, get the stick out of your ass... The thing only had permits in the first place so that participants wouldn't get arrested, it was never supposed to be about money and exclusive lists.


Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about". Please, share how *you* would solve the issues the organizers are apparently facing.

You... You *do* have a viable solution to present as an alternative, correct? One that maintains a reasonable level of safety, gets the bills paid, and doesn't turn the event into your own personal wankfest?

The point I was trying to make to whinemitter - and you - is that if you can't come up with a better solution than what is being pursued, you sound like a petulant child, angry because mommy won't buy another toy. You wants what you wants, and dammit, why doesn't the universe cater to you!
 
2013-01-05 10:38:47 AM  
It's kind of hard to tell the man to F.O when he is you, the paradox of liberal statism.
 
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2013-01-05 10:39:22 AM  
the malcom in the middle episode with burning man was great. hal pulls up in a motor home, rolls out the artificial grass and gas grill, while wearing a tourist outfit, all the freaks thought it was his interpretation.
 
2013-01-05 10:44:12 AM  
No snarky... But I always enjoy the annual Fark Burning Man thread. Mostly for the fantasies.
 
2013-01-05 10:45:27 AM  

ows: the malcom in the middle episode with burning man was great. hal pulls up in a motor home, rolls out the artificial grass and gas grill, while wearing a tourist outfit, all the freaks thought it was his interpretation.


I'm thinking Cranston pulling up in an RV might elicit a somewhat different response now.
 
2013-01-05 10:47:17 AM  
Dancin_In_Anson:

Where have you been hiding?

farm8.staticflickr.com

went into hibernation with a supply of Dogfish Head 90 Minute until election season was well over.

/ not me
 
2013-01-05 10:50:53 AM  
Blithe spirit, free thinking, world wandering hippie is just one more clown suit, primarily donned by smirky hypocrites whilst sucking down designer water, lattès and trading stories about how unhip everybody else is and comparing passport stamp counts. And if we haven't learned yet that nothing in this country lasts more than a week unless it moves money around, and the people who already have most of it get a healthy portion of the proceeds, we're dumber than we look.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:53 AM  
The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.
 
2013-01-05 10:56:23 AM  

stratagos: Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about". Please, share how *you* would solve the issues the organizers are apparently facing.

You... You *do* have a viable solution to present as an alternative, correct? One that maintains a reasonable level of safety, gets the bills paid, and doesn't turn the event into your own personal wankfest?

The point I was trying to make to whinemitter - and you - is that if you can't come up with a better solution than what is being pursued, you sound like a petulant child, angry because mommy won't buy another toy. You wants what you wants, and dammit, why doesn't the universe cater to you!


Awwww, little burner doesn't like having his favorite event called out for the farce it has become. Petulant child indeed.

media.washtimes.com
 
2013-01-05 10:57:49 AM  
I'm curious as to how one might be able to designate themselves a "hard core" attendee at a gathering with a huge bonfire and a lot of dope.
 
2013-01-05 11:03:09 AM  
I'll stick with FIGAWI.
I know what to expect sailing from Hyannis Port to Nantucket.
 
2013-01-05 11:06:10 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: went into hibernation with a supply of Dogfish Head 90 Minute until election season was well over.


Solid planning. Goo to see you.
 
2013-01-05 11:09:24 AM  
If you flew over that place with a crop duster loaded with hand sanitizer you would just be doing everyone a big favor.
 
2013-01-05 11:16:59 AM  

the1hatman: stratagos: Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about". Please, share how *you* would solve the issues the organizers are apparently facing.

You... You *do* have a viable solution to present as an alternative, correct? One that maintains a reasonable level of safety, gets the bills paid, and doesn't turn the event into your own personal wankfest?

The point I was trying to make to whinemitter - and you - is that if you can't come up with a better solution than what is being pursued, you sound like a petulant child, angry because mommy won't buy another toy. You wants what you wants, and dammit, why doesn't the universe cater to you!

Awwww, little burner doesn't like having his favorite event called out for the farce it has become. Petulant child indeed.


I am highly amused by your assumption I give two shiats about BM. I simply enjoy calling out stupidity when I see it - such as whining about how the magic money fairy doesn't sprinkle cash upon the Worthy so they can 'express themselves'.

I'd call your assumption about me stupid, but I've done the same thing, so I'll just put it down the laziness
 
2013-01-05 11:17:20 AM  

MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.


Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as BM.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-05 11:19:48 AM  

Johnny Bananapeel: MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as a BM.


/ftfy
 
2013-01-05 11:20:05 AM  
The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.
 
2013-01-05 11:22:35 AM  

bunner: if we haven't learned yet that nothing in this country lasts more than a week unless it moves money around and the people who already have most of it get a healthy portion of the proceeds, we're dumber than we look.


THIS.

/I only removed one comma.
//The fat cats getting the proceeds is a condition of anything lasting >1 week.
 
2013-01-05 11:26:05 AM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


Yeah, except nobody wants to be the guy/gal who gets jacked up. And those who pack heat in self-defense don't believe those brown people deserve help.
 
2013-01-05 11:28:25 AM  

Johnny Bananapeel: Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as a BM.


FTFY
 
2013-01-05 11:29:44 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: Johnny Bananapeel: MmmmBacon: Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

Tickets to this year's Gathering of the Juggalos will cost less than $200. Every bit as bizarre & thrilling as a BM.

/ftfy


Aw crap
 
2013-01-05 11:31:41 AM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


"But that's like, you know, not, like, fun and sh*t and this is so much more Meaningful™ on a level you couldn't possibly understand!" Money and time. The most ill used and misapplied commodities on earth.
 
2013-01-05 11:35:21 AM  
If there are smelly naked hippie chicks, I'd really like to go
 
2013-01-05 11:40:50 AM  

abhorrent1: SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.

And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.


They took their PARENTS to Burning Man!!1!

/if I could, I'd go once. Then I'd burn my clothes and scrub with steel wool until the patchouli washes off
 
2013-01-05 11:42:12 AM  

bunner: I'm curious as to how one might be able to designate themselves a "hard core" attendee at a gathering with a huge bonfire and a lot of dope.



Sobriety.
 
2013-01-05 11:43:00 AM  
...and maybe a fire hose ?
 
2013-01-05 11:49:54 AM  

RCon: The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.


as a former (local) burner, i concur. i would even go a step further and call the lot of them "almost completely phony and relentlessly, notoriously flaky and closed minded to boot"

and it IS about the money. you don't need $22 million for trash pickup and standby emergency personnel.
 
2013-01-05 11:53:58 AM  
 I have been to Grateful Dead concerts, Raindbow Gatherings, Mardi Gras, musical festivals, etc.

One thing for sure is the older I get the less down I am with smelly ass fake hippies hugging me and asking me for a slug of my water because I had the foresight to bring some when the did not.

Nor do I need to hang out with white collar Californians who like to get off the grid for a week, so that makes them "pertinent" and hip.

I will continue to go to the Festival of El Diablo in Rio Sucio, Colombia.

The entire town dresses like a devil for a hellacious party.  Then at the end of it they burn the Devil in effigy in a huge celebration.

The hippie chicks there bathe and shave their legs.  A hold over from the local indian population that taught the dirty Europeans that washing your ass has merit.

extroversia.universia.net.co

tecnoautos.com

www.carnavalriosucio.org
 
2013-01-05 11:55:00 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.


For real? No, you're pulling my leg, right?
These threads remind me of people arguing about the Grateful Dead. They were so so cool, so under the radar, then they were played out, then they were beyond your understanding, so just shut up, then they were too popular, so I don't go see them anymore, then.....well, then Garcia died. Thank god that shiat was done.

But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.
 
2013-01-05 12:00:28 PM  

cryinoutloud: But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.


I wonder if any of the bright, new young Turks that roll over the hipster flag du jour every 25 years ever sorted out that there might be a reason that dismissing our elders - and blowing off the history they have lived through and what it has taught them - being codified into our culture might not be a good idea or even their idea. We got cherry, grape, strawberry.. ice? Yeah, we got ice. Large or small?
 
2013-01-05 12:07:14 PM  
I'm guessing soap, deodorant and perfume are not big sellers at Burning Man?
 
2013-01-05 12:07:23 PM  
Shame about Burning Man, would have liked to have gone while it was still open entry. Sounds like it's winding down like every yearly cultural event tends to do after awhile.

At least I can get a laugh from all the reactionary tools here circlejerking about how "pathetic" these "burnouts" are. Just screams of shallow losers who never did anything fun in their lives, and are gleefully cheering the decline of a fun event; total purestrain schadenfreude. It's like when I tell people I'm looking forward to trip overseas and their only response is, "Why?" Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery. Oh right, it's not "real" art, or something like that.
 
2013-01-05 12:07:30 PM  

cryinoutloud: BarkingUnicorn: I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.

For real? No, you're pulling my leg, right?
These threads remind me of people arguing about the Grateful Dead. They were so so cool, so under the radar, then they were played out, then they were beyond your understanding, so just shut up, then they were too popular, so I don't go see them anymore, then.....well, then Garcia died. Thank god that shiat was done.

But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.


You sound old.

/old
 
2013-01-05 12:08:35 PM  

abhorrent1: Do the people who go to burning man even have money?


The median Burning Man attendee is probably wealthier than the median Farker.

You know how if you scrub the greasepaint off of a random sampling of Juggalos at their Gathering, you come up with a lot more junior management trainees and sociology grad students than you'd expect? Burning Man is the same, except with middle managers and sociology professors.

To be fair to the BM crowd (ewww) I think there's a lot less "fark the Man!" than there is "fark it, I'm 44 and I want to take mild hallucinogens and stand around naked looking at kinetic art for a weekend."

Seriously, ask about it at your next faculty meeting and see how many hands go up.
 
2013-01-05 12:09:16 PM  
You know who else loved Burning Man?


Some NSFW subtitles, btw.
 
2013-01-05 12:10:40 PM  

rmoody: Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery.


I have produced, directed and performed over 3,000 live shows and events. I'm not cheering anything. Just putting up the emperor's naked ass on the jumbotron, as usual. You sound, how can I say this, like somebody who has their bills payed for them. And that's nice.
 
2013-01-05 12:10:59 PM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.
 
2013-01-05 12:11:45 PM  

rmoody: Shame about Burning Man, would have liked to have gone while it was still open entry. Sounds like it's winding down like every yearly cultural event tends to do after awhile.

At least I can get a laugh from all the reactionary tools here circlejerking about how "pathetic" these "burnouts" are. Just screams of shallow losers who never did anything fun in their lives, and are gleefully cheering the decline of a fun event; total purestrain schadenfreude. It's like when I tell people I'm looking forward to trip overseas and their only response is, "Why?" Keep slaving away at your hardware store and complaining about hippies, guys, I'm sure that's way more productive for society than getting together with thousands of different people from around the country and experiencing a living art gallery. Oh right, it's not "real" art, or something like that.


Hit Colombia this time of year, the ferias(local festivals) are going on for the next six weeks.  So you got them in Cali, Medellin, Manizales, and Rio Sucio.  There is no excuse or reason to party, they just party like there is no tomorrow.  No need to whitewash it with the sticking it to the man shtick of burning man.  People just get all pagan and throw down.

Third world degeneracy trumps first world degeneracy.

/not allowed to be degenerate any more because hot young third world wife put a stop to it.
 
2013-01-05 12:12:15 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.

Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.


Lots of wonderful things, I imagine. And of course, they could just rent it on DVD later. : )
 
2013-01-05 12:12:32 PM  
Welp, looks like the girlfriend and I are going to PAX this year. $380 apiece is probably more than she and I can afford.

PAX has long been my tradition (past 5 years or so), while Burning Man was always hers. The two almost always conflict, at least partially, so while I'd been curious about going, I didn't feel like interfering with my enjoyment of PAX.

Last year PAX tickets sold out in like 2 hours, and they happened to go on sale while everyone in the group I go with was out doing other things (I was actually driving two of them around Tahoe, since they were in town). Consequently my schedule was free, and in an even weirder twist of fate I managed to get two of the $240 tickets to Burning Man. My girlfriend was thrilled, since it meant she got to show me something she loves.

I've gotta say, Burning Man has some really really neat things going for it. The atmosphere really is unlike anything else, and no it's not "air laced with patchouli", ha ha, grow up. Lights and shiny things everywhere, MASSIVE buildings and art installations that just weren't there a few days before. We were camped next to a four-story club/DJ camp, with useable space on every level, and that was small compared to a lot of these things. There were little things that were awesome too, like the guy we found standing at an intersection making free smores using a rather inventive cooking station built on a converted marching drum harness, or when we randomly happened across a showing of Dark Side of the Rainbow that was, I have to say, rather well synced. Oh, and let's not forget the fresh sushi someone had flown in, because they felt like it. It was also rather unpleasant at times. The heat during the day is epic, and the temperature drop at night can be startling to say the least. Dust everywhere, noise everywhere (though it turns into shapeless white noise by day two)... it's very taxing.

Point is, I'm glad I went, I did have fun, I would happily go back, but I'm not going to be heartbroken if I can't. Plus, my girlfriend had her year to show me her annual trip of awesomeness. This year it may be my turn to show her mine, which has swag, and game demos, and Wil Wheaton, and Jonothan Coulton, and most importantly, Air Conditioning.
 
2013-01-05 12:17:54 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.


Fark you, that was a good movie.

You can have my money and time from, I don't know, Unbreakable.
 
2013-01-05 12:17:55 PM  

bunner: Tyrone Slothrop: BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.

Imagine what you could do if all the people who saw, let's say, The Avengers donated their ticket money and 2 hours of their time to charity instead.

Lots of wonderful things, I imagine. And of course, they could just rent it on DVD later. : )


According to IMDB, Avengers grossed $1,511,757,910. Even minus the cost to make the movie it still made over a billion. I think movie goers have a lot more to answer for than burners.

/Not a burner, but hate the hipper than hipster crowd.
 
2013-01-05 12:20:45 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: According to IMDB, Avengers grossed $1,511,757,910. Even minus the cost to make the movie it still made over a billion.


So, a LOT of wonderful things?
 
2013-01-05 12:23:16 PM  

emersonbiggins: I'm thinking Cranston pulling up in an RV might elicit a somewhat different response now.


Ha. Poor guy, I never thought about that. Instead of autograph seekers and fledgling screenwriters bothering him at Starbucks, he's probably fending off tweakers everywhere he goes.
 
2013-01-05 12:30:19 PM  
I got nothing against art. I'm an artist. I'm also a recording artist, singer / songwriter, engineer and I co-produce records. I got nothing inherently against commerce. I have bills, too. What chaps my ass is the pose. Because I learned something in my decades of being simmered in hipness, the glitterati, dining with rock legends and rubbing elbows with "cutting edge "artists.

If who we were prevents you from being who you are, then you are not who you think you are and you're not "creating" anything. Everybody borrows. Art, like life, started a long time ago and just keeps rolling along. This is a good thing because art helps keep humanity's cookies in one basket. Art is good for you.

Dismantling the things that DO work that came before you doesn't make a brave new world.

It just kicks the ladder away from your Über elite tree house. And by the time the tree house gets big enough to be of any use, it's already been whored out and turned into a cash cow for people who would happily wipe their ass with whatever brings the money in. And that's part of the problem.
 
2013-01-05 12:37:04 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: RCon: The more hardcore burners I've encountered are of the most obnoxious, deluded, cult-jargon-spewing strain of personality I've ever endured. It's not an anti-hippie thing; I ran around to Grateful Dead shows during my teens, and I've been involved one way or the other in the Seattle art scene for over half of my life. Burners skeeve me out for reals, though. My collective impression of burners and burner culture is that they are, at best, insidious, but at worst and more often just plain old insipid.

as a former (local) burner, i concur. i would even go a step further and call the lot of them "almost completely phony and relentlessly, notoriously flaky and closed minded to boot"

and it IS about the money. you don't need $22 million for trash pickup and standby emergency personnel.


Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report
 
2013-01-05 12:39:10 PM  
If I remember right, the price spikes of BM tickets in the last few years has been because of some local anti-BM crusader has gotten the government (state or federal, I forget which) to jack the permitting prices through the roof.

/so no, hippie stompers, that $20 mil isn't all going to a bunch of unwashed vagrants
//it's propping up big government conservatives in the desert
 
2013-01-05 12:40:53 PM  

djslowdive: Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report


Those are some very interesting numbers. I can't help but think that any given logistics and purchasing manager and a good CPA could have shaved a lot of hair off of that pig.
 
2013-01-05 12:46:07 PM  
Went once in 2k2. It was really fun but I think I almost enjoyed the trip out (from fl) at least as much, if not more than the event itself. It is pretty extreme conditions though, Hard to think that so many people would be rushing to a place where it gets so damn hot and cold within a 24 hour period.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-01-05 12:52:43 PM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


I read a rather cool article a few years ago about artists and planners talking about tearing down empty Detroit houses and reopening up the natural streams that are now trapped under the city and restoring the land to be parks and such wih trails along the streams.

Seemed like a cool idea. I assume it will never be done.
Cool idea if we had a modern day work corps like during the Great Depression, but I guess it's better to have people sit on welfare instead of on a project the could be proud of.
 
2013-01-05 01:05:49 PM  

Spade: I read a rather cool article a few years ago about artists and planners talking about tearing down empty Detroit houses and reopening up the natural streams that are now trapped under the city and restoring the land to be parks and such wih trails along the streams.

Seemed like a cool idea. I assume it will never be done.
Cool idea if we had a modern day work corps like during the Great Depression, but I guess it's better to have people sit on welfare instead of on a project the could be proud of.


A lot of people, a long time ago, bought up a bunch of land, houses and buildings and then let them rot and when the manufacturing sector bubbled out and huge old facilities were just left fallow. This, however, has not prevented them from whining long and loud about their investments, what they feel entitled to get as a return on them, or from demanding that the buildings be used as they we're "originally purposed".

This is all despite the fact that re-purposing what IS still standing is about the only thing left to do. Your office is now a shoulder bag, a laptop and a WiFi node. The typing pool is a printer at Kinko's and the morning commute consists of making coffee and going into the spare bedroom and booting up your lappie. Sh*t changed.

The post war boom bubble has burst and what moves money around and how to best serve the people in our society with it - which, like it or not, is the whole point of all this jazz - doesn't work the way it did in 1960, anymore. Vacant lots and burned out shards of once proud industrial complexes and ratty, collapsing neighborhoods aren't worth what you payed for them in 1950 and nobody is gonna open a new business in your clapped out shell of a factory that you want 30,000,000.00 for, mister businessman.

Deal.
 
2013-01-05 01:12:38 PM  

BadChipmunk: The interesting thing about BM is that it's a pretty well-organized feat of logistics. What would be crazy is if the 55,000 people that went all put their $380 and week's worth of time to doing something productive. Imagine the projects you could accomplish with $20+ mil and a literal army of people. You could remove every abandoned house in Detroit and replace them with greenspace. You could renovate hundreds of schools in any given city. I mean, the sky's the limit.


I really doubt you could do either one of those things. Untrained volunteers are just not very good for skilled work like controlled demolition or property renovation. The event doesn't last long enough to train them and they probably wouldn't be willing or able to commit longer term. Trying to get them to do anything useful would honestly probably just result in a giant mess that would do more harm than good.

Plus, I think you are drastically underestimating the cost of either of those things you list.
 
2013-01-05 01:13:59 PM  

stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people


That's a farking brilliant idea
 
2013-01-05 01:20:59 PM  
Let's pretend that we could take huge amounts of unused urban area land, suck the toxins out and set up a network of local small farming collectives to help feed people. Monsanto and ConAgra wouldn't like that. They have lobbyists.

Let's pretend that we could take huge, old shells of industrial buildings and set up housing for those made homeless and add in training, education, classes, medical care facilities and previously mentioned urban farming and then feed, house and train the denizens of these micro communities to matriculate from said facility with a skill, an education and a full stomach. The list of people hose interests that wouldn't serve is too long to post here and surely, Stalin would come back from his display case crypt and haughtily laugh as we succumbed to full blown communism in no time.

Let us venture further into what is land and look at the idea of locally made art, textiles, restoration shops, and other small scale manufacturing concerns could be implemented in neighborhoods with almost no remaining commerce and distributed globally with some like, I dunno make believe, futuristic network of data and shipping hubs and provide stability and income on a manageable scale, sans all the corporate hooery.

Yeah, I know, sounds silly to me, too.
 
2013-01-05 01:25:07 PM  

bunner: Let us venture further into what is if land and look at the idea of locally made art, textiles, restoration shops, and other small scale manufacturing concerns that could be implemented in neighborhoods with almost no remaining commerce


FIFMODS
 
2013-01-05 01:30:22 PM  

bunner: djslowdive: Actually, these days, it does. Here's the financial report for 2011: 2011 Financial Report

Those are some very interesting numbers. I can't help but think that any given logistics and purchasing manager and a good CPA could have shaved a lot of hair off of that pig.


That sounds like the same sort of hand waving that republicans use when they say, "We can cut the excess fat from government and still provide the same services"

It may be true, but I'll believe it when someone actually points out the fat
 
2013-01-05 01:36:12 PM  
The fat is as plain as the balls on a tall dog. It what grows slowly as the telephone game of "we need" goes down the chain of "well, I got to have at LEAST *pulls number out of ass* for THAT". Stir in a deadline to that and you got a pork farm. There is a Swedish word, "lagom", that is quite a compliment their culture. It means "the needs were met" or, essentially, "that what was needed was provided and there was no waste". It's sort of the antithesis of corporatism.
 
2013-01-05 01:39:07 PM  

HideMonkey: cryinoutloud:
For real? No, you're pulling my leg, right?
These threads remind me of people arguing about the Grateful Dead. They were so so cool, so under the radar, then they were played out, then they were beyond your understanding, so just shut up, then they were too popular, so I don't go see them anymore, then.....well, then Garcia died. Thank god that shiat was done.
But you know, Burning Man is different from all that. Because this generation isn't anything like the ones that came before, and they have all original ideas.
You sound old.
/old


I'm still conflicted because even though I was pretty much the target demographic for the Grateful Dead, I never really cared for them. Once I was in Denver and had a chance to go see a show--I was in the parking lot, about to buy some scalped tickets, when I looked around me and though, "What am I doing here? I don't want to go in there with all these hippies and flow around for hours."

Then Garcia died about a year later. So now I am one of those people who secretly knew that the Grateful Dead sucked the whole time.

Here's a picture from one of the last Grateful Dead concerts:
t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-05 01:44:55 PM  
wow ... the price of the Texas State fair really shot up.
 
2013-01-05 01:45:50 PM  

bunner: The fat is as plain as the balls on a tall dog. It what grows slowly as the telephone game of "we need" goes down the chain of "well, I got to have at LEAST *pulls number out of ass* for THAT".


This happens, I might add, because everybody with a shingle and an EIN is not only convinced they are always entitled to make more money than last year, NO MATTER WHAT, but that, and this is the punchline, it's actually physically possible. Ahhhhhh, hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
2013-01-05 01:52:49 PM  


Here's a picture from one of the last Grateful Dead concerts:
[t1.gstatic.com image 227x176]

Welcome to HideMonkey's Extremely Short List of Favorites.
 
2013-01-05 01:53:41 PM  
Um, not really a big enough deal to put it all in bold, but you get the gist.
 
2013-01-05 01:55:47 PM  
I got nothing against a band playing the same song for an hour and a half. Sh*t, Wagner kicked large scale ass doing that. I just can't dance to that sh*t. I blame being raised on 2:45 second pop songs.
 
2013-01-05 02:01:40 PM  

stratagos:
Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about".


Are you aware that you're an idiot?
 
2013-01-05 02:07:09 PM  

cryinoutloud: BarkingUnicorn: I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.

For real? No, you're pulling my leg, right?


There used to be something called PlayaNet, and I'm told Fusion Valley (the computer geek camp) had some limited WiFi thing going one year. Last year though there was nothing that I found, though I was on the side opposite any of the really geeky camps.

Now what they DID have was very limited cell coverage hosted on someone's jury-rigged cell tower near 4 O'clock, which routed everyone through some kind of VOIP service and handed out these weird five-digit internal "phone numbers". The broadcast range was pretty small - I was camped near 9 O'clock and had to get to about 6 O'clock before I could get any coverage - and people calling in from the outside was complicated to say the least, but you could make an outside call with reasonable success, if only to get disconnected exactly 50 seconds into the phone call. It was a godsend for me: turns out there was some unexpected legal paperwork I HAD to get signed that week and my family had been frantically trying to call me the whole time. I got the call the second-to-last day I could do the paperwork, hopped out the next day and got it signed. Would've been kinda screwed if I hadn't.

Honestly, the whole thing felt very hackjob and strange, and very fitting for Burning Man.
 
2013-01-05 02:11:56 PM  

Tourney3p0: stratagos:
Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about".

Are you aware that you're an idiot?


I am simply crushed by your disapproval of me, random internet person. Your well reasoned and compelling argument has given me cause to reexamine my entire life
 
2013-01-05 02:14:12 PM  
I was going to do that, but I just made a sammich instead. I hope that's OK.
 
2013-01-05 02:18:53 PM  
If I want to have my wang out while wearing a pork-pie hat, I'll saunter past a mirror.
 
2013-01-05 03:01:36 PM  

semiotix: abhorrent1: Do the people who go to burning man even have money?

The median Burning Man attendee is probably wealthier than the median Farker.

You know how if you scrub the greasepaint off of a random sampling of Juggalos at their Gathering, you come up with a lot more junior management trainees and sociology grad students than you'd expect? Burning Man is the same, except with middle managers and sociology professors.

To be fair to the BM crowd (ewww) I think there's a lot less "fark the Man!" than there is "fark it, I'm 44 and I want to take mild hallucinogens and stand around naked looking at kinetic art for a weekend."

Seriously, ask about it at your next faculty meeting and see how many hands go up.


Perhaps some are entry level Telemaricorp employees.

/funniest episode of the show so far
//Faygo > Fresca
 
2013-01-05 07:07:39 PM  
Same old story as usual:

Take something good, commercialize it, make it bigger and bigger---and pretty soon it sucks.

Woodstock was a great event---once. All the copies of it were worse, and some were utter failures.

Haight--Ashbury was incredible at first, until the media discovered it--at which point it went steadily downhill.

Monterrey Pop, Newport Jazz/Folk Festival---the list goes on and on.
 
2013-01-05 08:52:09 PM  

stratagos: I'd call your assumption about me stupid, but I've done the same thing, so I'll just put it down the laziness


static.prtst.net

/hot like basic proofreading
 
2013-01-05 09:12:40 PM  
There certainly are a lot of reasons to go to TTITD.
Like any city of 50,000+ there is always a percentage of asshats.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:56 PM  
I went to Burning Man three times. Everyone has heard of the artwork and nudity and performances and raves and shiat. But in particular the daytime education and seminars were nuts. . . Powerpoints on cock and ball torture, yoga classes, fire eating classes, seminars on how to repair and hack tube amplifiers. I took an absinthe-making intensive, at Burning Man. I learned how to solder circuits and wire LED's into a light . . . then right after that I saw a guy fisting a woman with one hand, and doing the "hang loose" sign with the other. It's a deeply strange experience.
 
2013-01-06 11:26:29 AM  

occamswrist: I liked last years Burning Man that was corporate sponsored.

Burning Man brought to you by Carl's Jr!


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

only 490 calories!!

(like that's the only thing you'll eat when your here) u know your gonna have a western cheesburger, and what are those other things that are good
 
2013-01-06 10:36:58 PM  
$380 to see a bunch of deadbeat hippie wannabes set up "art" in their campers and be forced to bottle and truck out your own pee? Just so you can see a giant statue get torched? How many ways can I say "no farking way"?

s9.postimage.org
 
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