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(Reno Gazette-Journal)   You need to preregister in order to purchase with your credit card a $380 ticket to this year's Burning Man. Remember when this used to be about anti-establishment and non-conformity or something? "I love Burning Man"   (rgj.com) divider line 123
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2013-01-05 07:19:42 AM  
No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people
 
2013-01-05 07:31:12 AM  
Meh, Burning Man is played out, anyway.

/These skinny pants are cutting off the blood to my feet
 
2013-01-05 08:22:28 AM  
I'm more interested on the summer festival lineups this year.
 
2013-01-05 08:59:34 AM  
Yeah, but if you're into smelly, naked hippie chicks, it's worth every penny.
 
2013-01-05 09:33:14 AM  
fc04.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-05 09:37:19 AM  
Why don't you sell some of your seed?

/burning person
 
2013-01-05 09:37:29 AM  

stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people


your statement sucks

// your slashies are genius
 
2013-01-05 09:37:34 AM  
Do the people who go to burning man even have money?
 
2013-01-05 09:41:21 AM  
5 or more drinks per sitting is "binge" drinking? I thought it was going out all night and drinking your ass off for 10 hours.

6', 250lb power lifter takes a 6 pack to get a glimmer of a buzz. Damn, I "binge" every time I drink.
 
2013-01-05 09:41:41 AM  
Subby sounds like a hipster.
They should burn the hipsters out in the desert but hippies are to stoned to get that done.
 
2013-01-05 09:41:46 AM  
What a dilemma for the stoners, spend $380 to go hang out with fellow stoners to be anit establishment , sticking it to the man anti-capitalists, Not realizing that part of that $380 goes to the man and capitalism

or

Stay home and buy more pot with that $380 dollars and talk about how Burning Man has sold out and by not going you are sticking it to the man and being anti-establishment while you get stoned in your mom's basement

or

Donate the $380 to your favorie anti-establishment sticking it to the man cause like NORMAL or Earth First

or

Donate the $380 to a charity. food bank, homeless shelter.
 
2013-01-05 09:42:02 AM  
Ooops, wrong thread.
 
2013-01-05 09:42:08 AM  

stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.


Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.
 
2013-01-05 09:43:47 AM  
i43.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-05 09:44:43 AM  
Isn't Burning Man owned by Clear Channel now?
 
2013-01-05 09:44:47 AM  
If you're pining for the early days of Burning Man, hopefully that means you've either outgrown it or have been in the workforce long enough to be able to afford a $380 ticket.
 
2013-01-05 09:45:41 AM  
You had to pre-register last year as well. And I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.
 
2013-01-05 09:46:33 AM  

emersonbiggins: Isn't Burning Man owned by Clear Channel now?


55,000 x 380 = 20,900,000
 
2013-01-05 09:46:38 AM  
www.stopthem.org
 
2013-01-05 09:47:30 AM  

stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"


Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:40 AM  

djslowdive: I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.


I've never been and really have no opinion on it other than $400 seems like an awful lot of money to go to a bon-fire party in the desert. Are they renting the land from someone? What's the overhead?
 
2013-01-05 09:49:41 AM  

Flakeloaf: stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.


Yeah, cut out the middle man and scalp directly
 
2013-01-05 09:53:39 AM  
I only went once.  I did not have that much fun, that alkali sand/dirt coated my every belonging for weeks afterward, and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.  I think it's not for me.  I'll keep my $380, thanks.
 
2013-01-05 09:56:49 AM  

SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.


What the hell goes on there?
 
2013-01-05 09:57:34 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee

Where have you been hiding?
 
2013-01-05 10:02:18 AM  
If you want a less ungodly expensive experiences, go to the regional Burns.

/going to SOAK in June
 
2013-01-05 10:02:23 AM  

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.


You are one cynical MFer.
 
2013-01-05 10:05:33 AM  

abhorrent1: Do the people who go to burning man even have money?


They trade patchouli, the money is so that newcomers can get a startup package of patchouli

/the money is then burnt
//how else do you think they get a fire started?
 
2013-01-05 10:05:36 AM  

djslowdive: You had to pre-register last year as well. And I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.


I've never paid $380 to wander through a cesspool, either. Does that render me "clueless" about the sheer magnificence of the experience?

The first time I heard of Burning Man, perhaps 1998-1999, I thought it sounded like fun. Parts of it still do. However, it has become a parody of itself. It's become this mecca-like pilgrimage for the self possessed "performance artists" / "multimedia artists" / Starbucks employees of America. Also, I don't understand the attraction of spending a week with thousands of unwashed, smelly, dusty, STD-coated throngs raising a cacophony with their various Seuss inspired instruments. Well, aside from all the naked b00bs to be seen.
 
2013-01-05 10:06:55 AM  

abhorrent1: djslowdive: I find it hilarious that all the negative comments about the event are from clueless idiots who've obviously never been.

I've never been and really have no opinion on it other than $400 seems like an awful lot of money to go to a bon-fire party in the desert. Are they renting the land from someone? What's the overhead?


They rent the land from the Bureau of Land Management. You can find a lot of information about where the money went in the Afterburn Reports (2012's hasn't been published, but 2011's is here)
 
2013-01-05 10:08:34 AM  
Burning Man doesn't need corporations and money! They should have one guy who, like, makes bread. And one guy who, like, looks out for other people's safety. It should be a place where people live together and. like, provide services for each other in exchange for their services.
 
2013-01-05 10:09:35 AM  

abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?


A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.
 
2013-01-05 10:12:52 AM  

SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.


And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.
 
2013-01-05 10:13:08 AM  
I liked last years Burning Man that was corporate sponsored.

Burning Man brought to you by Carl's Jr!
 
2013-01-05 10:13:09 AM  

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

Funny thing is most of the Burners I've met are overentitled twits. Self-centered hypocritical ones too. And dont you dare suggest they're anything other than free-spirited artists with a level of genius you can never approach...

/gluing Barbie heads to the dash doesn't make it an art car.


This. I understand what it's "supposed" to be be about, but the reality is basically you have 5% actual artists, 35% wannabe artists, and 60% people who are just overindulgent. I went in 2011. My conclusion is that if I want art, I'll go to a gallery or a museum. If I want to camp somewhere, then I'll go camping somewhere. If I want to rave out all night on a head full of drugs, then I can go find somewhere to do that, too. Combining all 3 into a week doesn't really work, though. It's a pain to get there, a nightmare to exit, and there's a pervasive sense of "you're not burner enough" when you walk around BRC.

That said, I met some very nice people there, but that was more the exception than the rule. It was really a lot of people trying to out-edge and out-weird each other, taking the whole experience as an excuse to behave poorly. Even simple things, like starting a conversation with the person next to you at the bar, were looked upon with a certain sense of wariness, like "what do you want from me, or what can I get from you?"
 
2013-01-05 10:14:31 AM  

unchellmatt: The first time I heard of Burning Man, perhaps 1998-1999, I thought it sounded like fun.



It sounds like something my college-era self would still think was fun.
 
2013-01-05 10:18:50 AM  
Next year, it's being renamed Burn-Con and being moved into an exhibition center. Wil Wheaton and Amy Jo Johnson will be doing signings.
 
2013-01-05 10:20:21 AM  
I think Burning Man jumped the shark when WiFi was added to the playa.
 
2013-01-05 10:20:46 AM  

stratagos:
You are one cynical MFer.


Working at a hardware store, I deal with self-described Burner artist types on a daily basis. Some are decent, most are flaky douchebags, a few are narcissistic hypocritical assholes.

I also know several decent, otherwise-normal peeps who go to BM, but they don't self identify as "Burners". :-)
 
2013-01-05 10:25:19 AM  

rhiannon: Next year, it's being renamed Burn-Con and being moved into an exhibition center. Wil Wheaton and Amy Jo Johnson will be doing signings.


If I get to see Amy Jo Johnson naked it may be worth it
 
2013-01-05 10:25:46 AM  
My dream Burning Man art installation is a recreation of Slim Pickens riding the bomb in Dr. Strangelove. With a real nuke.
 
2013-01-05 10:26:16 AM  

CarnySaur: If you're pining for the early days of Burning Man, hopefully that means you've either outgrown it or have been in the workforce long enough to be able to afford a $380 ticket. just invite a bunch of friends to a bonfire on the beach.

 
2013-01-05 10:27:01 AM  

stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people


Subby has a point, get the stick out of your ass... The thing only had permits in the first place so that participants wouldn't get arrested, it was never supposed to be about money and exclusive lists.
 
2013-01-05 10:27:32 AM  

cynicalMFer: stratagos:
You are one cynical MFer.

Working at a hardware store, I deal with self-described Burner artist types on a daily basis. Some are decent, most are flaky douchebags, a few are narcissistic hypocritical assholes.

I also know several decent, otherwise-normal peeps who go to BM, but they don't self identify as "Burners". :-)


Oh I enjoy cynicism, especially when it's genuine, and not poorly disguised bitterness ;)
 
2013-01-05 10:28:01 AM  

abhorrent1: SundaesChild: abhorrent1: SundaesChild: and several friendships were left in a state of disrepair.

What the hell goes on there?

A lot of bickering over who shouldn't have partied too hard and slept with the wrong people, apparently.

And your friends care about who you or the others in the group sleep with or how effed up they get? They don't sound like fun friends.


There was a guy who was sleeping with, like, three girls at once (but not at the same time), so the girls were fighting among each other (the guy got off scot free, natch); and a girl and a guy who slept with each other much to the dismay of their respective spouses.  So our camp was tense.  I spent a lot of time away from it.
 
2013-01-05 10:29:07 AM  

Flakeloaf: stratagos: If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Pretty much this. They sold out (i.e., ran out of tickets) in 2011 and in 2012 it turned into Scalping Man, so they had to do something to fix it.


I was interested when I first heard about it in 1996 or so. By 2000,it had list any real charm it had. When my brother in law went, I knew it was over.
 
2013-01-05 10:31:38 AM  
All my Burning Man memories are through that Malcolm in the Middle episode
 
Ral
2013-01-05 10:32:20 AM  
The wikipedia entry for Burning Man is an interesting read. It seems that a good deal of the money goes to expenses and not profit, per se. It's big enough now that they have to provide standby emergency personnel (in the middle of nowhere). The "leave no trace" policy is never observed, and the organizers of the event have to clean up the playa when the event is over. This is expensive.
 
2013-01-05 10:37:26 AM  

Mikey1969: stratagos: No one is stopping you from just driving to the goddam desert, subby, nor are they stopping you from organizing your own competing event, with all the logistical headaches and costs that entails. They also apparently offer discount tickets based on income.

If you want to play in someone else's sandbox, you play by their rules.

Quit acting like an overentitled twit if you want to be "anti-establishment"

/No real desire to go to BM
//Unless I was to get seven friends and set up a cube farm for a week, complete with motivational posters and staplers. Just to screw with people

Subby has a point, get the stick out of your ass... The thing only had permits in the first place so that participants wouldn't get arrested, it was never supposed to be about money and exclusive lists.


Then gee, I stand corrected. I didn't realize we had an expert among us who could tell us what it was "supposed to be about". Please, share how *you* would solve the issues the organizers are apparently facing.

You... You *do* have a viable solution to present as an alternative, correct? One that maintains a reasonable level of safety, gets the bills paid, and doesn't turn the event into your own personal wankfest?

The point I was trying to make to whinemitter - and you - is that if you can't come up with a better solution than what is being pursued, you sound like a petulant child, angry because mommy won't buy another toy. You wants what you wants, and dammit, why doesn't the universe cater to you!
 
2013-01-05 10:38:47 AM  
It's kind of hard to tell the man to F.O when he is you, the paradox of liberal statism.
 
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