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2013-01-05 01:11:20 AM
You'd think if a cop didn't want to get bitten he wouldn't shove his fingers in a detainee's mouth.  Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:42 AM
What a dick move by LEO.
 
2013-01-05 03:03:58 AM
On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.
 
2013-01-05 10:03:16 AM
Warm up your car while shopping? Or getting ready to shoplift?
 
2013-01-05 10:03:44 AM
Whitcomb conceded that Longley's abrasive demeanor likely fell short of the department's new community policing credo of "Listening and Explaining with Equity and Dignity," but added that Longley was above the law so stfu.
 
2013-01-05 10:04:52 AM
No matter how progressive a town might be, law enforcement always attracts authoritarian douchebags and bullies.
 
2013-01-05 10:06:37 AM
At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."


Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.
 
2013-01-05 10:08:00 AM
Amateurs. NYPD would have just shot him.
 
2013-01-05 10:08:01 AM
"But I would remind you that it's 2013, and we've come a long way in those two years"

....sooo we're gonna take a mulligan here -
 
2013-01-05 10:08:56 AM

Koodz: At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."

Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.


i've got two key rings. my personal one has 3 keys, my work one has like...30? better leave it in the truck.
 
2013-01-05 10:09:49 AM
You're not putting those cuffs on me! lol
 
2013-01-05 10:11:06 AM
My keyring has so many keys on it, it would probably be classified as a deadly weapon by the cops. If you throw that pound of metal right into someone's kisser...
 
2013-01-05 10:12:24 AM
Geez! How many times does an officer have to be judged by a jury of his peers before you people are satisfied?
 
2013-01-05 10:12:48 AM
According to our records, we can make stuff up about your records....
 
2013-01-05 10:14:43 AM
Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.
 
2013-01-05 10:15:09 AM
And not a sounder was heard from them again

/seacawk
 
2013-01-05 10:18:44 AM
Can't talk without using your hands? That right there deserves a beat down.
 
2013-01-05 10:19:24 AM
His teeth cut my knuckles as I was punching him! That counts as a bite, and retroactively justifies my punching him in the first place.

The loop is closed! Causality is preserved.

If they hadn't beaten the guy, it could have destroyed the universe!

Priorities, people.
 
2013-01-05 10:22:28 AM

Lsherm: You'd think if a cop didn't want to get bitten he wouldn't shove his fingers in a detainee's mouth.  Just sayin'.


A man placed his hand in a mule's mouth to ascertain how many teeth the mule possessed.
The mule closed his mouth to find out how many fingers the man had.

Thus, the curiosity of both the man and the mule were satisfied.
 
2013-01-05 10:22:59 AM
Check your local laws, you might be a violator. It is illegal in Genesee County, MI to leave a vehicle unlocked and running. Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.

Koodz: At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."

Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.


I checked and I have three rings with eleven keys. Now you have me worried that I could be a class A misdemeanor. Could it be worse that I have two different car brand keys, also? I know driving a Ford in the wrong town will get a little extra road rage, but what if they find out I chose to drive the Ford instead of the Chevy. Would that be a separate charge?

/drive a Ford near a GM plant and you will see what I mean
//hoping to trade in Chevy for second Ford, look out Flint you better be ready to cut me off everytime I leave my house.
///GM products suck, if you own a vehicle with a 3400 chevy motor, get rid of it
 
2013-01-05 10:23:40 AM
Was it a fire lane?  Then fark him.  All those assholes should get punched in the face.
 
SH
2013-01-05 10:25:06 AM
From TFA: Whitcomb said Ocak had left his car running while parked outside a store - a common ploy used by shoplifters cold people.

Article now fixed.
 
2013-01-05 10:25:11 AM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee
 
2013-01-05 10:25:13 AM
Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?
 
2013-01-05 10:26:16 AM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


You don't?? Seriously???
 
2013-01-05 10:28:01 AM

MerelyFoolish: Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.


2/10
 
2013-01-05 10:28:18 AM
I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.
 
2013-01-05 10:33:14 AM
Am I under arrest, or am I free to leave?
 
2013-01-05 10:33:38 AM
This story sucks without the video.

I have never heard that shoplifters leave their cars running. It would seem pretty easy to squash that racket if all the store security had to do was put a wheel lock on every car left running in the lot.

/we need the moving pics
 
2013-01-05 10:34:14 AM
Dunno if the guy wins a lawsuit, I might call it a win, despite a couple punches to the face and a rough take-down.
 
2013-01-05 10:35:20 AM

jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.


the kid was a bit of a smart-ass...but you really should watch the video.
Typically when I hear about cops getting shot... I imagine them being like that guy and it makes it feel ok.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:07 AM

jmr61: The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."


Fark that. If you put handcuffs on me, then I am clearly not free to leave and am therefore under arrest.
They better have charged him with something.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:14 AM
Is Seattle really a city with the climate cool enough to leave your car running to keep it warm?

Weather almanac for Seattle on December 29, 2010 shows a high of 43 and a low of 37... hardly "warm up the car" temperatures.

Hmm.
 
2013-01-05 10:37:56 AM
These guys better not ever come to the mountains of Colorado in the winter. They'd have a whole lot of "questioning" to do with *everybody* leaving their cars running if it's a short enough period of time.
 
2013-01-05 10:38:06 AM
The officers goaded this person into getting agitated and then beat him down (up?) for it. For parking improperly.


Koodz: balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?


Considering it is not the officer's duty to dispense justice or punishment then yes, he is out of line. That was no act of self defense.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10


The irony is we have police forces because we don't want armed gangs of vigilantes roaming the streets dispensing their own brand of justice. But guess what?
 
2013-01-05 10:38:37 AM
When I see these things, and read about people describing police work as difficult and dangerous in order to "cut them slack" I usually just try to remember that police officers WANT the job. They know it's mostly dealing with a_holes in bulk while barfing up rainbows of niceness. They know it's dangerous. They sign up for it anyway. Who on Earth wants a job dealing day-to-day with thugs who might just hunt them down and kill them and their entire families someday??

These clowns do. They WANT it.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-05 10:38:48 AM

stlbluez: the kid cop was a bit of a smart-ass...

 
2013-01-05 10:39:51 AM

Divorach: thugs who might just hunt them down and kill them and their entire families someday??


That happens all the time. Not.
 
2013-01-05 10:39:59 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Dunno if the guy wins a lawsuit, I might call it a win, despite a couple punches to the face and a rough take-down.


exactly. He's going to come out with a lot of money and a "do not fark with me" record on him stored by the police.
 
2013-01-05 10:40:45 AM
The second a cop is dick enough to give me shiat about the number of keys on my key-ring, you better just mirandize me now and let me call my lawyer, because nothing I say to you is likely to make it to court. What a group of shiatty thugs.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:02 AM
FTFA: ...officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons...

So there were three gun-toting, taser-carrying, mace-sporting, body armor-wearing, baton-equipped LEOs vs. one 20 year-old smartass. And the cops tried to cuff him for their OWN safety? Oh, he was a flight risk. Yeah, because if he took off running, Chief Wiggum would be farked.

/SUSPECT IS HATLESS. I REPEAT, HATLESS.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:15 AM
Wwell, they are Democrat supporting union folks. What do you expect? That's how unions do business. Abuse power, violence, and the government backs them.
 
2013-01-05 10:47:32 AM

Koodz: Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?


Especially when it was clearly in retaliation for the fingers you just purposefully crammed in to the "suspect's" mouth so he could bite you in the pointless struggle of four officers to detain an otherwise law-abiding-citizen that was already feeling threatened and intimidated by four white guys with anger issues and all the amnesty the badge allows.

/what's a "run-on sentence"?
 
2013-01-05 10:48:08 AM

farkingatwork: exactly. He's going to come out with a lot of money and a "do not fark with me" record on him stored by the police.


Wrong, he's going to end up committing suicide by shooting himself in the back seventeen times with a police issue glock.
 
2013-01-05 10:48:31 AM

Dinjiin


On par for SPD.
Why do people continue to try to limit evil police to xyz city/county? The line should be "On par for police". It's no different in any other place. Violent criminal gangs are violent in any location not just L.A., Seattle, or Detroit.

Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it. Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.
--- Frank Herbert - Chapterhouse Dune


See also Philip Zimbardo's Stanford prison experiment
 
2013-01-05 10:50:03 AM

jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.


"No, we're not arresting you, we just want to cuff you."
What the fark? No, I would totally not be comfortable with that. Either arrest and cuff me, or get the fark out of my face.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:19 AM
God bless our heroic boys in blue.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:28 AM

mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee


I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"

But I digress, part of law enforcement is dealing with all types of people, its just a shame the career attracts the wrong type to deal with said people.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:45 AM
clearly police officers should be the only people with guns in America.
 
2013-01-05 10:56:39 AM
Pretty much always recorded somehow. Speak loudly and clearly, ask if you are under arrest. If not, you are free to go. If they get physical, do not resist, ask them why they are arresting and assaulting you. Then sue them.

One of the biggest things parents can teach their children, is their rights and how police will almost always try to abuse them.

By the way, it is completely legal to give the cops the finger, and tell them to fark off. It will enrage them, causing some beat down, but ultimately, money for you.
 
2013-01-05 10:57:18 AM
Fire the cop, he has no business carrying a gun and badge. Frankly, I'm not sure he could handle a rude drive through customer at McDonalds without getting fired. But I would sure give him the opportunity to try.

/ExCop says: "You want fries with that?"
 
2013-01-05 11:02:46 AM

jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.


I did better, I also watched the video. First off, the guy looked of Latino descent. (Hint: this is not racist) I learned in my Spanish class that the Spanish language deals a bit more in body language than English, so if this guy was Latino (hence the Spanish upbringing), that would explain the hand movements. Next, the cop is required to (in my hometown) at least reply to why you need to be in handcuffs, even if the excuse is fake (For your protection or some BS). Third, both were escalating the scene to that, as a rude cop never gets much love from others (heck, my manager is a total shiathead, and is rather hated). Lastly, the guy -was- talking while the cops were trying to subdue him, and the cop had his fingers at his mouth, so talking easily becomes biting.

IMO, it was mutual errors that caused the idiocy. The police however should have been more professional in the start of it.
 
2013-01-05 11:05:35 AM

dpaul007: FTFA: ...officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons...

So there were three gun-toting, taser-carrying, mace-sporting, body armor-wearing, baton-equipped LEOs vs. one 20 year-old smartass. And the cops tried to cuff him for their OWN safety? Oh, he was a flight risk. Yeah, because if he took off running, Chief Wiggum would be farked.

/SUSPECT IS HATLESS. I REPEAT, HATLESS.


One more incident which a makes me wonder what officers do to earn their right to bear arms. It certainly doesn't come from any ability to show good judgement.

/Law enforcement is on the fringe of qualifying as a militia, its certainly not an army.
/yet no one questions when hired men walk around with military grade equipment.
 
2013-01-05 11:05:36 AM
Watching the video is even more interesting. They give him clearly contrary instructions as they have him bent over the hood of a cruiser, then appear to use his noncompliance to the simultaneous, conflicting instructions as reason to cuff him. They don't appear to actually tell him that they're going to cuff him, either. At least, I had my volume cranked and I couldn't hear such words.
 
2013-01-05 11:10:22 AM
Thank heavens. Way to earn those pensions, boys.
 
2013-01-05 11:14:22 AM

mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee


Yeah, that kid was such a hippie.
 
2013-01-05 11:14:44 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10


This is approximately my experience. I was once roughly frisked by two cops because I was crossing the street at 2am (I was studying for a final and going to 7-11 for some caffeine). No other reason.

I was once almost given a ticket because I pulled out of a driveway in front a cop who was going 75 in an unmarked car with no lights in a 40 zone and he had to *gasp* slow down. He pulled me over and proceeded to tell me off.

fark those guys and every other cop in San Jose.
 
2013-01-05 11:16:11 AM

jmr61: I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.


Because cops never make false accusations to justify assaulting someone. Especially not officers this describes:

four officers took Isaac Ocak to the pavement after learning he had a prior felony conviction and had been tagged in the department's computer as being "assaultive to officers." However, the department could not provide an incident in which Ocak had ever been so.


Let's just take their word for it.
 
2013-01-05 11:19:07 AM

Arkanaut: Amateurs. NYPD would have just shot him.



And the Chicago PD would have tortured him into confessing to every unsolved homicide in the city.
 
2013-01-05 11:22:42 AM

People_are_Idiots: jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

I did better, I also watched the video. First off, the guy looked of Latino descent. (Hint: this is not racist) I learned in my Spanish class that the Spanish language deals a bit more in body language than English, so if this guy was Latino (hence the Spanish upbringing), that would explain the hand movements. Next, the cop is required to (in my hometown) at least reply to why you need to be in handcuffs, even if the excuse is fake (For your protection or some BS). Third, both were escalating the scene to that, as a rude cop never gets much love from others (heck, my manager is a total shiathead, and is rather hated). Lastly, the guy -was- talking while the cops were trying to subdue him, and the cop had his fingers at his mouth, so talking easily becomes biting.

IMO, it was mutual errors that caused the idiocy. The police however should have been more professional in the start of it.


He's Turkish

This this thread gets better and better.
 
2013-01-05 11:23:16 AM

Rich Cream: The officers goaded this person into getting agitated and then beat him down (up?) for it. For parking improperly.


Koodz: balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

Considering it is not the officer's duty to dispense justice or punishment then yes, he is out of line. That was no act of self defense.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10

The irony is we have police forces because we don't want armed gangs of vigilantes roaming the streets dispensing their own brand of justice. But guess what?


Actually, not ironic in the least. Sometime maybe you should research the origin of the nobility in Europe, or old China, or just about anywhere. Most of them started as local bandit chiefs. Their gang would build a fort along a trade route and charge "tolls" to travelers. They would rob see grain from and kill the peasants in the area - until it occurred to them that a living peasant, left with seed grain, could be robbed again and again. Then they found it necessary to PROTECT those same peasants from other bandit chiefs. There you have all the essentials of The State: (1) a monopoly of military control over a geographic area, (2) a tax base of non-gang-members, and (3) action by the gang to protect their turf. That's it! The bandit chiefs left control of the gangs to their sons, who did the same for their sons. Everything grows in complexity and precedent, and pretty soon the bandit chief is calling himself a Baron and making power deals and defensive agreements with a more powerful bandit chief who calls himself a Duke. These eventually are able to morf into nation-states when the peasants develop a sense of "us -vs- them" (nationalism). Eventually the peasants demand more voice in "their" government and the hereditary bandit aristocracy gets replaced by elected representatives.

A legitimate government is a bandit kingdom that has "made good" through the action of wise (or at least not too stupid) leadership, accident, historical precedent, and some form of "consent of the governed."

It's all there in the history books.

Also of interest: Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples. It contains a fascinating account of the evolution of the Saxons. Thumbnail version: The Normans conquered the Saxons and decided to defend their conquests by building a bunch of fortified castles. They literally chained the Saxons into slave work teams to build them. This took decades. After a long while the chains came off, the Saxons built little homes around the castles, and finally were ready to take up arms FOR their lords and masters. The Norman conquest had become legitimized. Today there are two major distinct dialects in England, based on the fact that the majority of the "working class" are descended from the conquered Saxons, and the majority of the "ruling class" are descended from the Normans. Interestingly, several old and legitimate Saxon words like "fark" became vulgar BECAUSE they were words used by the conquered and despised Saxons.
 
2013-01-05 11:23:43 AM

mhedstrom: These guys better not ever come to the mountains of Colorado in the winter. They'd have a whole lot of "questioning" to do with *everybody* leaving their cars running if it's a short enough period of time.


Leaving your car running unattended is a crime here in COS. Not that it deters anyone. Luckily plenty of meth heads have taken to librerating these cars from people around here. Wish they'd get around to my neighbor. I'm looking at you Mr. loud truck at 5am for 25 minutes guy.
 
2013-01-05 11:28:12 AM

NewbornRook: mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee

I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"

But I digress, part of law enforcement is dealing with all types of people, its just a shame the career attracts the wrong type to deal with said people.


I talk a lot with cops (we all hang out in shopping center parking lots a lot). Interestingly, A huge percentage of the cops in the Tustin PD have college degrees - in Psychology. Smart. They also attend mandatory continuing education seminars in conflict resolution, de-escalation, etc.
 
2013-01-05 11:28:17 AM
How many keys are on your keyring? Good thing they didn't ask me that because I just studied on it and came up with 6. Then I went and checked my keyring and found I was off by two. They probably would have arrested me for "providing false information to law enforcement".
 
2013-01-05 11:29:53 AM
Whitcomb said Ocak had left his car running while parked outside a store - a common ploy used by shoplifters.

farking pig mentality. Everyone is a suspect.
 
2013-01-05 11:30:43 AM
I was told by Fark liberals that the police could do no wrong and that I should turn in my guns because these brave heros will come to my rescue at the drop of a hat. It's weird there's such a huge disconnect between people like Weaver95 and reality.
 
2013-01-05 11:31:13 AM
Would have been double bad here in Burlington, VT, crunchy land. They have a no idling ordinance too.
 
2013-01-05 11:32:03 AM

duffblue: I was told by Fark liberals that the police could do no wrong and that I should turn in my guns because these brave heros will come to my rescue at the drop of a hat. It's weird there's such a huge disconnect between people like Weaver95 and reality.


That's funny. I was told by FARK gun-nuts that they were concerned about the rise of tyranny and oppression in this country, and that they wouldn't stand for it.
 
2013-01-05 11:32:42 AM
It's very clear who commits the assault in the video.
 
2013-01-05 11:33:15 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10

This is approximately my experience. I was once roughly frisked by two cops because I was crossing the street at 2am (I was studying for a final and going to 7-11 for some caffeine). No other reason.

I was once almost given a ticket because I pulled out of a driveway in front a cop who was going 75 in an unmarked car with no lights in a 40 zone and he had to *gasp* slow down. He pulled me over and proceeded to tell me off.

fark those guys and every other cop in San Jose.



LOL! Another nice progressive town.

There's a pattern here.....
 
2013-01-05 11:33:55 AM
I love the irony - cop tells the kid that he is retarded because the whole thing is being recorded
 
2013-01-05 11:34:29 AM
Seattle - land of the perpetual grunge, pot, sour attitudes, bad weather and Nanny Staters
 
2013-01-05 11:34:47 AM
Watching this, I am reminded that police department screening tests eliminate applicants that score too highly.
 
2013-01-05 11:35:03 AM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.
 
2013-01-05 11:35:13 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: NewbornRook: mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee

I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"

But I digress, part of law enforcement is dealing with all types of people, its just a shame the career attracts the wrong type to deal with said people.

I talk a lot with cops (we all hang out in shopping center parking lots a lot). Interestingly, A huge percentage of the cops in the Tustin PD have college degrees - in Psychology. Smart. They also attend mandatory continuing education seminars in conflict resolution, de-escalation, etc.


I think that's why more and more departments are starting to require college degrees. Out here in CO though, the majority still only require a HS diploma. The conflict seminars part is interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of departments requiring that type of training. Just normally the physical force and verbal judo techniques.
 
2013-01-05 11:37:28 AM
Never Talk to the Police

Should be requisite viewing for all High Schoolers.
 
2013-01-05 11:39:37 AM

RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.


Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.
 
2013-01-05 11:43:43 AM

born_yesterday: duffblue: I was told by Fark liberals that the police could do no wrong and that I should turn in my guns because these brave heros will come to my rescue at the drop of a hat. It's weird there's such a huge disconnect between people like Weaver95 and reality.

That's funny. I was told by FARK gun-nuts that they were concerned about the rise of tyranny and oppression in this country, and that they wouldn't stand for it.


I was told the same thing, I wonder when they'll start using their guns.
 
2013-01-05 11:48:28 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

You don't?? Seriously???


+1 seems like no matter which extreme side you swing there is always a Gestapo-like police force

greggerm: Is Seattle really a city with the climate cool enough to leave your car running to keep it warm?

Weather almanac for Seattle on December 29, 2010 shows a high of 43 and a low of 37... hardly "warm up the car" temperatures.

Hmm.


Depends on where you are from and how long you have lived in that climate range. Like here in South East Texas people are talking about wrapping pipes and bundling up when leaving the house. It is in the mid 40's here I'm still in just a long sleeve shirt. (grew up in northern Ohio)
 
2013-01-05 11:50:30 AM

ReverendJasen: No matter how progressive a town might be, law enforcement always attracts authoritarian douchebags and bullies.



"Progressive" and "authoritarian" are not necessarily on opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
2013-01-05 11:56:03 AM

Rich Cream: Divorach: thugs who might just hunt them down and kill them and their entire families someday??

That happens all the time. Not.


Soon.
 
2013-01-05 11:57:56 AM
Yeah the keys on the key ring question is text book authoritarian bully behaviour (as is asking why someone has kept their car running - if those FOUR!!!! officers were that worried they could have just waited outside and been prepared to shoot the evil shoplifter.)
 
2013-01-05 11:58:48 AM
Why do you have so many keys?

See questions like that do nothing but evoke rage of the person being detained and antagonize the situation even more.  It feels like harassment at that point.
 
2013-01-05 12:06:17 PM

Endive Wombat: Never Talk to the Police

Should be requisite viewing for all High Schoolers.


Have watched that many times - and its whole premise still scares me. They should by definition know the laws better than me and as a citizen I am pretty sure they swore to protect me *shrug* seems not.
 
2013-01-05 12:08:29 PM

kombat_unit: Warm up your car while shopping? Or getting ready to shoplift?


Posting on Fark? Or writing a manifesto?

See how dumb that sounds?
 
2013-01-05 12:17:54 PM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Because that's where all the assholes end up. Police departments are dumping grounds for stupid assholes.
 
2013-01-05 12:22:25 PM

mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee


How dare those people ask questions about why they are being detained or what they did wrong or just talking in general. They should just shut up and trust that the cops know exactly what they're doing at all times, right? Geez it's no wonder the cops have to break some skulls every once in a while.
 
2013-01-05 12:24:25 PM
The environment police have arrived to save us all...

At least the man didn't have scary black assault things in his car.
 
2013-01-05 12:32:48 PM

lack of warmth: Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.


95% of auto-related laws (including the new ultra-strict dui laws) are about protecting insurance companies. Believe that, friend, cause it. is. farking. true.
 
2013-01-05 12:40:16 PM

Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.


Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.
 
2013-01-05 12:41:37 PM

NewbornRook: I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"


From what I hear, dealing with the dregs of society from anyplace, hipster city or not, can turn the nicest of policemen into raging a-holes after time. But if you do get to that point, then perhaps a change in career is in order? If you can't come to that conclusion yourself, perhaps your employer should be able to recognize that time for you.

But then, how is it any different from any other customer facing job? Our department at work just had to let some dude go because he was getting increasingly belligerent with customers. Granted, half of our customers couldn't even count to potato, but that's just the way it is.
 
2013-01-05 12:42:34 PM

Madbassist1: lack of warmth: Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.

95% of auto-related laws (including the new ultra-strict dui laws) are about protecting insurance companies. Believe that, friend, cause it. is. farking. true.


I do not necessarily see that as a bad thing.  Because of heavy lobbying, we have safer cars, safer roads...
 
2013-01-05 12:44:49 PM
The Portland Police are much nicer.

pigeonsandplanes.com
 
2013-01-05 12:47:14 PM

Dinjiin: But then, how is it any different from any other customer facing job?


I can totally see how nice enough guys over time can turn into raging dickhead cops.  At some point, you just start to hate the people you deal with day in and day out...compound that with the fact that there are people who want to KILL YOU because you choose to help keep society in order.

I know how I became jaded with the restaurant business.  I was sick and tired of complaining customers, rude customers, etc.  I was just over it!  Now I am not trying to help the cops justify the way they treated this guy, but I do understand why cops most of the time are total dicks.
 
2013-01-05 12:47:17 PM

duffblue: I was told by Fark liberals that the police could do no wrong and that I should turn in my guns because these brave heros will come to my rescue at the drop of a hat. It's weird there's such a huge disconnect between people like Weaver95 and reality.


Well, bless your heart.
 
2013-01-05 12:48:57 PM

Endive Wombat: Never Talk to the Police

Should be requisite viewing for all High Schoolers.


Link

Granted, all she has to do is get a lawyer and the case will be immediately dismissed, but it's still a pain in the ass for her, not to mention the expense.
 
2013-01-05 12:51:06 PM

Dinjiin: hipster city or not


We need a bunch of good old rednecks up here to teach us how to live while sticking their heterosexual cocks up our skinny assholes.

I almost killed myself once when I read on Fark that I was hipster. Being in a hipster city and all. Learning the definition from old stupid men that look like women who live in Kentucky.
 
2013-01-05 12:51:16 PM

Endive Wombat: Dinjiin: But then, how is it any different from any other customer facing job?

I can totally see how nice enough guys over time can turn into raging dickhead cops.  At some point, you just start to hate the people you deal with day in and day out...compound that with the fact that there are people who want to KILL YOU because you choose to help keep society in order.

I know how I became jaded with the restaurant business.  I was sick and tired of complaining customers, rude customers, etc.  I was just over it!  Now I am not trying to help the cops justify the way they treated this guy, but I do understand why cops most of the time are total dicks.


From what I understand, 90% of beat cop work is "repeat customers" - locations and people that they come to know as problems. I wouldn't understand that as turning them into dickheads - but that would give me reason to understand they are much more concerned, especially in their line of work, about the unfamiliar, and treat new strangeness much more cautiously.

I'm not an LEO myself, I just talk with them, so I could be all sorts of mistaken. It certainly is true that the work jades officers and encourages them to develop stereotypes.
 
2013-01-05 12:53:25 PM

Endive Wombat: Why do you have so many keys?

See questions like that do nothing but evoke rage of the person being detained and antagonize the situation even more.  It feels like

is harassment at that point.
 
2013-01-05 12:54:58 PM

Arkanaut: Amateurs. NYPD would have just shot him.


you mean "just shot at him".

(I don't have the HTML skills do that fixed that for you thing)
 
2013-01-05 12:55:34 PM

starsrift: From what I understand, 90% of beat cop work is "repeat customers" - locations and people that they come to know as problems. I wouldn't understand that as turning them into dickheads - but that would give me reason to understand they are much more concerned, especially in their line of work, about the unfamiliar, and treat new strangeness much more cautiously.


For some (most?) it's actually all about the WARRIOR MINDSET.
 
2013-01-05 12:56:25 PM

Koodz: At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."

Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.


www-static.weddingbee.com
 
2013-01-05 01:01:02 PM

Endive Wombat: Madbassist1: lack of warmth: Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.

95% of auto-related laws (including the new ultra-strict dui laws) are about protecting insurance companies. Believe that, friend, cause it. is. farking. true.

I do not necessarily see that as a bad thing.  Because of heavy lobbying, we have safer cars, safer roads...



It's the means that matter, not the ends.

/seat-belts too
 
2013-01-05 01:01:48 PM
Oh, Sean Whitcomb. He's not exactly known for his good decision-making skills.
 
2013-01-05 01:06:36 PM
People who leave their vehicles running while they're elsewhere deserve a good beating, for multiple reasons.
 
2013-01-05 01:08:01 PM

chairborne: clearly police officers should be the only people with guns in America.


Go ahead and point a gun at a cop and tell us how that works out for you.

/idiot
 
2013-01-05 01:10:06 PM

Koodz: Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?


perfect sense, i think what you are trying to articulate, is that a cop who punches someone, is really a guy who wants to punch someone, who happens to be a cop, but a cop who uses his baton is a cop, who is using his tools appropriately.... right? i think i know what you mean.
 
2013-01-05 01:12:33 PM
I think that any time any politician has a town hall meeting that he should be handcuffed to the podium for flight risk reasons.
 
2013-01-05 01:14:18 PM

ReverendJasen: No matter how progressive a town might be, law enforcement always attracts authoritarian douchebags and bullies.


Portland, OR nods approvingly.
 
2013-01-05 01:15:39 PM

fisker: Dinjiin: hipster city or not

We need a bunch of good old rednecks up here to teach us how to live while sticking their heterosexual cocks up our skinny assholes.

I almost killed myself once when I read on Fark that I was hipster. Being in a hipster city and all. Learning the definition from old stupid men that look like women who live in Kentucky.


The only common definition of hipster is "somebody or something I personally don't like" so I wouldn't feel too bad about some rednecks thinking you come from a city of them.
 
2013-01-05 01:16:47 PM

mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee


This is it in a nutshell. Chicken or the Egg. Hipster douchebags and Liberal shiatbags who do nothing but yell and chant "fark THE POLICE" and the cops who finally got tired of their shiat.

Some day, people might realize that good or bad cop; you show them some respect and be polite and short with your answers. You tend to leave with a small ticket or a warning. You reap what you sow, assholes.
 
2013-01-05 01:19:50 PM
At least he wasn't in Utah. He would have been charged with a DUI too.

Link
 
2013-01-05 01:22:22 PM
And people wonder why I hate the police.

I have yet to meet a good cop. This includes my brother. Dirty as all hell.

FTP.
 
2013-01-05 01:22:47 PM

Endive Wombat: Madbassist1: lack of warmth: Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.

95% of auto-related laws (including the new ultra-strict dui laws) are about protecting insurance companies. Believe that, friend, cause it. is. farking. true.

I do not necessarily see that as a bad thing.  Because of heavy lobbying, we have safer cars, safer roads...


Maybe not, but dont cloak it as "protecting the public" thats a load of shiat. The cops, gov, nor the insurance companies give a fark about "the safety of the people"
 
2013-01-05 01:23:49 PM

Fade2black: mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee

This is it in a nutshell. Chicken or the Egg. Hipster douchebags and Liberal shiatbags who do nothing but yell and chant "fark THE POLICE" and the cops who finally got tired of their shiat.

Some day, people might realize that good or bad cop; you show them some respect and be polite and short with your answers. You tend to leave with a small ticket or a warning. You reap what you sow, assholes.


No.

The problem started when that kid left his house without a coat.
 
2013-01-05 01:24:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: Dinjiin: hipster city or not

We need a bunch of good old rednecks up here to teach us how to live while sticking their heterosexual cocks up our skinny assholes.

I almost killed myself once when I read on Fark that I was hipster. Being in a hipster city and all. Learning the definition from old stupid men that look like women who live in Kentucky.

The only common definition of hipster is "somebody or something I personally don't like" so I wouldn't feel too bad about some rednecks thinking you come from a city of them.


You are deriding people for classifying you...by classifying them. Hypocrite much?
 
2013-01-05 01:25:01 PM

Madbassist1: The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: Dinjiin: hipster city or not

We need a bunch of good old rednecks up here to teach us how to live while sticking their heterosexual cocks up our skinny assholes.

I almost killed myself once when I read on Fark that I was hipster. Being in a hipster city and all. Learning the definition from old stupid men that look like women who live in Kentucky.

The only common definition of hipster is "somebody or something I personally don't like" so I wouldn't feel too bad about some rednecks thinking you come from a city of them.

You are deriding people for classifying you...by classifying them. Hypocrite much?


No, not really. Just using language they understand.
 
2013-01-05 01:25:18 PM

Fade2black: You reap what you sow, assholes.


You'd do well to remember that...asshole.
 
2013-01-05 01:26:14 PM

Madbassist1: The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: Dinjiin: hipster city or not

We need a bunch of good old rednecks up here to teach us how to live while sticking their heterosexual cocks up our skinny assholes.

I almost killed myself once when I read on Fark that I was hipster. Being in a hipster city and all. Learning the definition from old stupid men that look like women who live in Kentucky.

The only common definition of hipster is "somebody or something I personally don't like" so I wouldn't feel too bad about some rednecks thinking you come from a city of them.

You are deriding people for classifying you...by classifying them. Hypocrite much?


Evening the playing field.
 
2013-01-05 01:26:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Madbassist1: The My Little Pony Killer: fisker: Dinjiin: hipster city or not

We need a bunch of good old rednecks up here to teach us how to live while sticking their heterosexual cocks up our skinny assholes.

I almost killed myself once when I read on Fark that I was hipster. Being in a hipster city and all. Learning the definition from old stupid men that look like women who live in Kentucky.

The only common definition of hipster is "somebody or something I personally don't like" so I wouldn't feel too bad about some rednecks thinking you come from a city of them.

You are deriding people for classifying you...by classifying them. Hypocrite much?

No, not really. Just using language they understand.


Wow...you're a farking douchebag, dude. You really dont see the issue with what you're saying?
 
2013-01-05 01:27:45 PM

starsrift: jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

"No, we're not arresting you, we just want to cuff you."
What the fark? No, I would totally not be comfortable with that. Either arrest and cuff me, or get the fark out of my face.


They can legally do this

/ the Bill of Rights does not apply to you, citizen
 
2013-01-05 01:30:52 PM

Fade2black: mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee

This is it in a nutshell. Chicken or the Egg. Hipster douchebags and Liberal shiatbags who do nothing but yell and chant "fark THE POLICE" and the cops who finally got tired of their shiat.

Some day, people might realize that good or bad cop; you show them some respect and be polite and short with your answers. You tend to leave with a small ticket or a warning. You reap what you sow, assholes.


But what if the bouncers at a night club beat up your mate and then the cops don't follow though on your 000 (911) call?

They treated me (yes I was drunk) like a loud mouth irrelevance - and yes I was VERY loud, one of my most respected friends had gotten beaten in a dark side alley. What pissed me even more is when I was yelling in the copper's face to do their job, they still didn't investigate or seek out the perp (nor did they arrest me for being very loud and in their face...which was a good thing.)

My complaint to the police complaints department, resulted in nothing ... why because police investigated my complaint against the police and worked ever so hard to make the whole issue seem like nothing -> me finally giving up.

Mind you - since then the rules around my neck of the woods governing bouncer behaviour has become almost authoritarian and a drunk self can get right in their faces, without too much fear of a side alley beating.
 
2013-01-05 01:35:03 PM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Up until 1970, when the first big postwar depression hit Seattle, it was not a progressive city in any way. Other than some hip downtownsters, it was just as cookie-cutter suburbanite as anywhere else at the time. The depression combined with the rise of the countercultural tech industry was what really changed that.

NutWrench: jmr61: The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

Fark that. If you put handcuffs on me, then I am clearly not free to leave and am therefore under arrest.
They better have charged him with something.


They did. Assaulting an officer, which was dismissed. Why dismissed charges aren't held against the arresting office I'll never understand....
 
2013-01-05 01:41:25 PM
(from the article) "Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said the department already has reviewed the incident twice, with the officer's commanders and an assistant chief concluding no violations of law or department policy occurred when four officers took Isaac Ocak to the pavement after learning he had a prior felony conviction and had been tagged in the department's computer as being "assaultive to officers." However, the department could not provide an incident in which Ocak had ever been so. At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb."

A I think this is the real problem. In any large population of employees, there are going to be a subset of dooshbags and idiots. The issue here, (besides a law abiding citizen being abused and assaulted) is how this dooshbaggery and idiocy is dealt with.

In this case, and many cases like it, you have clear evidence and assault and abusive behavior. You have a armed "trained professional" unnecessary escalating a situation. And when they abuse their power and trust, have it documented for the world to see, the police force covers it up, white washes it, sweeps it under the rug, and various other metaphors for enabling and promoting poor, abusive, illegal, and dangerous behavior.
 
2013-01-05 01:46:30 PM

xmasbaby: (from the article) "Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said the department already has reviewed the incident twice, with the officer's commanders and an assistant chief concluding no violations of law or department policy occurred when four officers took Isaac Ocak to the pavement after learning he had a prior felony conviction and had been tagged in the department's computer as being "assaultive to officers." However, the department could not provide an incident in which Ocak had ever been so. At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb."

A I think this is the real problem. In any large population of employees, there are going to be a subset of dooshbags and idiots. The issue here, (besides a law abiding citizen being abused and assaulted) is how this dooshbaggery and idiocy is dealt with.

In this case, and many cases like it, you have clear evidence and assault and abusive behavior. You have a armed "trained professional" unnecessary escalating a situation. And when they abuse their power and trust, have it documented for the world to see, the police force covers it up, white washes it, sweeps it under the rug, and various other metaphors for enabling and promoting poor, abusive, illegal, and dangerous behavior.


With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like, I suspect that over the coming years, these "good 'ol boy" clubs of corruption and coverups are going to come to light, be squashed out, and the court of public opinion will drive these assholes into retirement or out of town so to speak.  Unfortunately a lot of people have to unnecessarily suffer until then.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:51 PM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Because they ARE a progressive city.

Can't be progressive, if you can't keep the citizens in line through threat of force, can you?

Guy is lucky they didn't just shoot him on sight. That happens here far too often.
 
2013-01-05 01:49:56 PM

xmasbaby: (from the article) "Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said the department already has reviewed the incident twice, with the officer's commanders and an assistant chief concluding no violations of law or department policy occurred when four officers took Isaac Ocak to the pavement after learning he had a prior felony conviction and had been tagged in the department's computer as being "assaultive to officers." However, the department could not provide an incident in which Ocak had ever been so. At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb."

A I think this is the real problem. In any large population of employees, there are going to be a subset of dooshbags and idiots. The issue here, (besides a law abiding citizen being abused and assaulted) is how this dooshbaggery and idiocy is dealt with.

In this case, and many cases like it, you have clear evidence and assault and abusive behavior. You have a armed "trained professional" unnecessary escalating a situation. And when they abuse their power and trust, have it documented for the world to see, the police force covers it up, white washes it, sweeps it under the rug, and various other metaphors for enabling and promoting poor, abusive, illegal, and dangerous behavior.


It's insidious the way they conclude, "no violations of law or public policy took place". In other words, they're stating that they believe they have the right to do this to anyone, at any time, for any reason, because that IS the department policy. I hope these farks get cancer.
 
2013-01-05 01:55:01 PM

Endive Wombat: xmasbaby: (from the article) "Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said the department already has reviewed the incident twice, with the officer's commanders and an assistant chief concluding no violations of law or department policy occurred when four officers took Isaac Ocak to the pavement after learning he had a prior felony conviction and had been tagged in the department's computer as being "assaultive to officers." However, the department could not provide an incident in which Ocak had ever been so. At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb."

A I think this is the real problem. In any large population of employees, there are going to be a subset of dooshbags and idiots. The issue here, (besides a law abiding citizen being abused and assaulted) is how this dooshbaggery and idiocy is dealt with.

In this case, and many cases like it, you have clear evidence and assault and abusive behavior. You have a armed "trained professional" unnecessary escalating a situation. And when they abuse their power and trust, have it documented for the world to see, the police force covers it up, white washes it, sweeps it under the rug, and various other metaphors for enabling and promoting poor, abusive, illegal, and dangerous behavior.

With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like, I suspect that over the coming years, these "good 'ol boy" clubs of corruption and coverups are going to come to light, be squashed out, and the court of public opinion will drive these assholes into retirement or out of town so to speak.  Unfortunately a lot of people have to unnecessarily suffer until then.


Unfortunately, I think they'll just continue to make it illegal to film or photograph an officer performing his duties, and courts will refuse to allow it admitted as evidence. I mean, look at this case. They were caught outright. They don't even feel a need to deny that they took this guy to the pavement for no reason, and he wasn't even under arrest. Their assertion is that they have every right to do this to any citizen.

Sorry to anyone who pays taxes in Seattle, but I hope this guy gets a sympathetic jury to award him millions. I think it's the only way departments like this will learn.
 
2013-01-05 01:56:38 PM

Endive Wombat: With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like...


What's that have to do with squat? Many incidents just like this one have been recorded (by their own equipment no less) and are publicly available. These get waived away by the authorities and rarely does anything happen. These guys are not worried about shiat, and nothing will change until they DO worry about it.
 
2013-01-05 02:01:24 PM
The only thing that will force cops to clean up their act is the public, en mass, refusing to cooperate with the cops.

As I told the public relations officer of my city's police force, if you won't help me, I won't expect help, and I will no longer ask for help. Moreover, I'm finished helping cops with anything.

Quid pro quo, Clarice.
 
2013-01-05 02:05:31 PM

born_yesterday: Sorry to anyone who pays taxes in Seattle, but I hope this guy gets a sympathetic jury to award him millions. I think it's the only way departments like this will learn.


Even that won't change anything, IMHO. If we make police officers even somewhat PERSONALLY liable (eg. wage garnishment to pay court settlements, job termination if necessary) for really egregious crimes, we might see some real change.
 
2013-01-05 02:15:08 PM
Civilians should start carrying handcuffs for bad cops.
 
2013-01-05 03:13:46 PM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


And the SPD wonders why the Justice Department's riding herd on them...
 
2013-01-05 03:38:31 PM

mhedstrom: These guys better not ever come to the mountains of Colorado in the winter. They'd have a whole lot of "questioning" to do with *everybody* leaving their cars running if it's a short enough period of time.


Pussies. The only time I warm my car up, or leave it running, is to melt the ice on the windshield and defrost it a little before I go anywhere. There's this thing called a "coat," see, that people should wear when they go outside in the winter.......

Naw, that's too hard. Let's just leave our vehicle running for 20 minutes so we don't have to deal with anything that might expose us to the outside world.
 
2013-01-05 03:40:17 PM
As a retired police officer, and I'm assuming most of the criminal apologists here have not been, this is excellent police work. His car was running, and that is a common tactic by criminals, as he is one. Suspects coming off the car when you are interviewing them, or a sudden flexing of the muscles indicates a desire to fight or run. So they put him down. And yes, he resisted arrest, and bit the police officer, and he got punched for it. He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on. But no, he had to be a dick and resist and not comply. This was perfect police work, and if you can't see it, you have never worn a badge, or are a criminal apologist.

/high five to the officers for a job well done.
 
2013-01-05 03:43:47 PM
And no scumbag, he doesn't have to be nice to you at all. Not that he was being mean, he was just doing good police investigation. Man up you little biatch. What did you expect him to do, give you a bj and some flowers? ffs.
 
2013-01-05 03:45:41 PM

ParaHandy: starsrift: jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

"No, we're not arresting you, we just want to cuff you."
What the fark? No, I would totally not be comfortable with that. Either arrest and cuff me, or get the fark out of my face.

They can legally do this

/ the Bill of Rights does not apply to you, citizen


That is the result of allowing people to apply it selectively.
They give themselves all the rights and spare you none.

/if you disbelieve, just see how well those same rules are observed when a politician is using them.
/they can say anything to anyone, can own any gun and carry it anywhere, have a right to privacy, to a fair trial, to voting, etc...
/be a black teen and run into the cops, suddenly its a different story.
 
2013-01-05 03:50:42 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: As a retired police officer, and I'm assuming most of the criminal apologists here have not been, this is excellent police work. His car was running, and that is a common tactic by criminals, as he is one. Suspects coming off the car when you are interviewing them, or a sudden flexing of the muscles indicates a desire to fight or run. So they put him down. And yes, he resisted arrest, and bit the police officer, and he got punched for it. He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on. But no, he had to be a dick and resist and not comply. This was perfect police work, and if you can't see it, you have never worn a badge, or are a criminal apologist.

/high five to the officers for a job well done.


1/10
 
2013-01-05 03:52:12 PM

greggerm: Is Seattle really a city with the climate cool enough to leave your car running to keep it warm?

Weather almanac for Seattle on December 29, 2010 shows a high of 43 and a low of 37... hardly "warm up the car" temperatures.

Hmm.


You are forgetting the large number of California weather wimp douche bags you moved there over the past 15 years.
 
2013-01-05 04:08:03 PM

NewbornRook: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: NewbornRook: mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee

I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"

But I digress, part of law enforcement is dealing with all types of people, its just a shame the career attracts the wrong type to deal with said people.

I talk a lot with cops (we all hang out in shopping center parking lots a lot). Interestingly, A huge percentage of the cops in the Tustin PD have college degrees - in Psychology. Smart. They also attend mandatory continuing education seminars in conflict resolution, de-escalation, etc.

I think that's why more and more departments are starting to require college degrees. Out here in CO though, the majority still only require a HS diploma. The conflict seminars part is interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of departments requiring that type of training. Just normally the physical force and verbal judo techniques.


The cops in Santa Ana are more like you describe, and Irvine cops are just assholes, but Tustin and, I think, Orange cops are much better trained. I've seen, twice, a Tustin cop talk down a drunk/high guy waving a small knife around (no one stabbed, no one directly threatened), confiscate the knife, and drive the guy in to the local jail to sleep it off, all done without touching the guy until they had to slip the cuffs on. Yes, they explained exactly what they had to do (cuffs) and why. Both got court dates for public intoxication, and ended up with mandatory counseling, but neither were booked on weapons charges.

OTOH, heard 2nd hand (from 3 different people, two of whom said they saw it), there was an instance about 6 months ago where some gangster wannabe kid had a sidewalk argument with his GF, slugged her to the ground and stalked off in a huff. Someone called Tustin PD and two cars showed up. The wannabe started putting his hand into and out of his shirt (gang signal that "I'm armed") and one cop caught a glimpse of what looked like a semi-automatic pistol. The idiot refused to raise his hands and kept advancing towards them. Eight shots, all in the torso. Yeah, he died. The "gun" turned out to be a farking realistic tattoo of a .45 ACP.

You do not mess with Tustin PD.
 
2013-01-05 04:24:19 PM

Krab: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

You don't?? Seriously???

+1 seems like no matter which extreme side you swing there is always a Gestapo-like police force


The "progressive" mindset 99 times out of 100 seems to revolve around the concept of the Daddy State, where government takes up the cudgel of the "little guy" against Big Bad Business. Government is seen as a wonderful tool for accomplishing virtually any task.

Graduate-level Administrative Systems and Political Science courses often look at organizations as analogs of living organisms. As with all things of an "organic" nature they either grow or die. They never just stay the same. Government, as any organization, therefore, tends to grow. In a "progressive" political atmosphere it tends to grow faster. Since government's primary reason for existing and its tool of action is the monopolistic, deliberate and measured use of force (ultimately: deadly force), the arms of government that exert that force tend to become, over time, more overbearing as their bureaucracies grow larger, and their responsibilities grow wider and wider. Also, the cops take their "cues" for action from the local perception of governmental responsibilities. IOW, badass cops in a "progressive" town are not as rare as you might think. It's a natural outgrowth of the dynamic.
 
2013-01-05 04:31:19 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: As a retired police officer, and I'm assuming most of the criminal apologists here have not been, this is excellent police work. His car was running, and that is a common tactic by criminals, as he is one. Suspects coming off the car when you are interviewing them, or a sudden flexing of the muscles indicates a desire to fight or run. So they put him down. And yes, he resisted arrest, and bit the police officer, and he got punched for it. He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on. But no, he had to be a dick and resist and not comply. This was perfect police work, and if you can't see it, you have never worn a badge, or are a criminal apologist.

/high five to the officers for a job well done.


Fine.  I'll bite.

Tell me how the interaction was bettered when the other officer asked him about the amount of keys he had.  What insight or knowledge was the officer trying to attain, how would of it furthered the investigation at the time?  Because to me it appears to be a bit on the harassy/bullying/antagonizing the situation side of things...
 
2013-01-05 04:33:26 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The "gun" turned out to be a farking realistic tattoo of a .45 ACP.


Well, that's just asking for it...
 
2013-01-05 04:43:09 PM
There needs to be an extralegal civic organization that punishes police for this shiat. I bet internal affairs departments would be more willing to go after their own if failure to do so meant some cop, somewhere in their city, would be killed.
 
2013-01-05 04:50:08 PM
Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.
 
2013-01-05 04:59:39 PM

NutWrench: jmr61: The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

Fark that. If you put handcuffs on me, then I am clearly not free to leave and am therefore under arrest.
They better have charged him with something.


Someone doesn't know the legal definition of arrest.

/it's nutwrench
 
2013-01-05 05:01:21 PM

charmingkiddo: Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.


What do you think he was trying to steal and how far down this rabbit hole are you planning on taking us?
 
2013-01-05 06:11:29 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: As a retired police officer, and I'm assuming most of the criminal apologists here have not been, this is excellent police work. His car was running, and that is a common tactic by criminals, as he is one. Suspects coming off the car when you are interviewing them, or a sudden flexing of the muscles indicates a desire to fight or run. So they put him down. And yes, he resisted arrest, and bit the police officer, and he got punched for it. He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on. But no, he had to be a dick and resist and not comply. This was perfect police work, and if you can't see it, you have never worn a badge, or are a criminal apologist.

/high five to the officers for a job well done.


You're a cock. Stick your fingers in my mouth, and I'm trying to bite them clean off. Perfect police work? This is abusive at best, criminal at worst.
 
2013-01-05 07:36:19 PM

charmingkiddo: Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.


Innocent until proven guilty is a tenet of our legal philosophy.  You do the country a disservice with your unAmerican attitude.
 
2013-01-05 07:38:13 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on.


Move on to where, you Jackboot?  Jail?  Our country would be better off without people like you.
 
2013-01-05 07:39:18 PM

Frederick: Your Average Witty Fark User: He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on.

Move on to where, you Jackboot?  Jail?  Our country would be better off without people like you.


I'm sorry Your Average Witty Fark User that should have been directed at Bit'O'Gristle.
 
2013-01-05 07:51:06 PM

Frederick: charmingkiddo: Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.

Innocent until proven guilty is a tenet of our legal philosophy.  You do the country a disservice with your unAmerican attitude.


I concur.

/Unless it was a fire lane.  Then hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!
 
2013-01-05 08:17:54 PM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Keep reading your last sentence until it becomes crystal clear.
 
2013-01-05 08:28:48 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

You don't?? Seriously???


Hey OC. People who want to live in "progressive cities" prefer little exposure to the real world. But if anything disturbs their bubble-boy existence, they are the first ones to scream for rescue by the police. Then things escalate quickly once those guys arrive, usually to the horror of the original complaintant.

On a reality-based note... how yo getting by dude?
 
2013-01-05 08:37:25 PM

Endive Wombat: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The "gun" turned out to be a farking realistic tattoo of a .45 ACP.

Well, that's just asking for it...


Apparently the cops thought so. Hard to tell a tattoo from the real thing at 60 feet, at dusk. Was ruled a justified shoot.
 
2013-01-05 08:44:47 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Rich Cream: The officers goaded this person into getting agitated and then beat him down (up?) for it. For parking improperly.


Koodz: balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

Considering it is not the officer's duty to dispense justice or punishment then yes, he is out of line. That was no act of self defense.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10

The irony is we have police forces because we don't want armed gangs of vigilantes roaming the streets dispensing their own brand of justice. But guess what?

Actually, not ironic in the least. Sometime maybe you should research the origin of the nobility in Europe, or old China, or just about anywhere. Most of them started as local bandit chiefs. Their gang would build a fort along a trade route and charge "tolls" to travelers. They would rob see grain from and kill the peasants in the area - until it occurred to them that a living peasant, left with seed grain, could be robbed again and again. Then they found it necessary to PROTECT those same peasants from other bandit chiefs. There you have all the essentials of The State: (1) a monopoly of military control over a geographic area, (2) a tax base of non-gang-members, and (3) action by the gang to protect their turf. That's it! The bandit chiefs left control of the gangs to their sons, who did the same for their sons. Everything grows in complexity and precedent, and pretty soon the bandit chief is calling himself a Baron and making power deals and defensive agreements with a more powerful bandit chief who calls himself a Duke. These eventually are able to morf into nation-states when the peasants develop a sense of "us -vs- them" (nationalism). Eventually the peasants d ...


My God! Somebody on fark.com actually knows something about history! Pray tell good sir, with which university are you comfortably tenured? I wish to enroll in your classes immediately!

/No, I am not kidding at all, professor. You rock!
 
2013-01-05 08:49:14 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

You don't?? Seriously???

Hey OC. People who want to live in "progressive cities" prefer little exposure to the real world. But if anything disturbs their bubble-boy existence, they are the first ones to scream for rescue by the police. Then things escalate quickly once those guys arrive, usually to the horror of the original complaintant.

On a reality-based note... how yo getting by dude?


It's actually restful being one of the parasitical 47%. I'm beginning to like it. WORKERS OF THE WORLD, RELAX! Found ouit Friday we are definitely IN on the Section 8 subsidized housing, and we found an awesome senior apartment complex today that qualifies. Our GLORIOUS LEADER came through on the voter bribe EDD extension money, so I didn't waste my vote for him.
 
2013-01-05 08:55:51 PM

Vexed Thespian: Koodz: Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

perfect sense, i think what you are trying to articulate, is that a cop who punches someone, is really a guy who wants to punch someone, who happens to be a cop, but a cop who uses his baton is a cop, who is using his tools appropriately.... right? i think i know what you mean.


Not even that maybe. I've punched a lot of people. I used to compete in full-contact karate in Japan. That's bareknuckle to a knockout, not for points. I mention that only to establish that I'm not hypothesizing here. Punching people is different from using a weapon. When you punch someone, the harder you hit him, the more it hurts him, but the more it hurts your hand too. The connection between you and your victim/opponent is on a basic primate level. There's everything you need to create a positive feedback loop that ends with somebody seriously messed up. Pepper spray doesn't do that.

It's the same reason police in a lot of areas are told that if they are involved in a high-speed chase, they wait for backup and don't continue the pursuit on foot and try apprehending the suspect. All that adrenaline flying around can lead to something irrevocable happening.

Of course, with the neckless rage monsters we seem to like in the police force here in America, I guess they get plenty of opportunities to see red without external provocation.
 
2013-01-05 09:15:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: chairborne: clearly police officers should be the only people with guns in America.

Go ahead and point a gun at a cop and tell us how that works out for you.

/idiot


Nobody was suggesting that one should point a gun at a cop. That was not the topic. The poster suggested that one might wish to keep a weapon for oneself that one might protect oneself should the need arise, knowing that a cop is seldom present when one needs protection. There was nothing stated or implied about aiming a gun at a law officer. Implied in his comment was a brtoader set of observations about self preservation and there is nothing wrong with any of that at all.

You often post smart things, but this time, you might wish to go back and read the conversation a second time. Maybe you were just trying to be funny, I dunno. I miss things too sometimes.
 
2013-01-05 09:27:10 PM

Endive Wombat:

With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like, I suspect that over the coming years, these "good 'ol boy" clubs of corruption and coverups are going to come to light, be squashed out, and the court of public opinion will drive these assholes into retirement or out of town so to speak.  Unfortunately a lot of people have to unnecessarily suffer until then.


OMG... a true utopian. I salute you sir. I cannot imagine that your prognostications are correct, but it is good and refreshing to find a person who believes that tomorrow will be brighter than today.
 
2013-01-05 09:40:19 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: As a retired police officer, and I'm assuming most of the criminal apologists here have not been, this is excellent police work. His car was running, and that is a common tactic by criminals, as he is one. Suspects coming off the car when you are interviewing them, or a sudden flexing of the muscles indicates a desire to fight or run. So they put him down. And yes, he resisted arrest, and bit the police officer, and he got punched for it. He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on. But no, he had to be a dick and resist and not comply. This was perfect police work, and if you can't see it, you have never worn a badge, or are a criminal apologist.

/high five to the officers for a job well done.


Glad you are retired.

The farkers here whom you refer to as criminal apologists are actually regular citizens who foolishly believe that the police are supposed to make the streets a safer place. The only thing to fear on the street in most situations is the police. Nobody else looking to stop and harass people day after freakin' day except the police. When the police live up to the "serve and protect" slogan, the people will adore you guys. Not that this will ever come true.

And for the record, I am a married, tax paying, law abiding business owner with zero arrests ever. But I'm not blind. I see the police state rearing its ugly head in America. Nothing to fear but our protectors anymore.

You call regular Americans criminal apologists? I call you a fascist pig. Go choke on your pension.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:33 PM

Frederick: charmingkiddo: Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.

Innocent until proven guilty is a tenet of our legal philosophy.  You do the country a disservice with your unAmerican attitude.


imageshack.us
 
2013-01-05 10:33:28 PM

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.


Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA
 
2013-01-06 12:19:24 AM

RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA


You mean the thing the GOP passed?
 
2013-01-06 09:10:43 AM

fisker: People_are_Idiots: jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

I did better, I also watched the video. First off, the guy looked of Latino descent. (Hint: this is not racist) I learned in my Spanish class that the Spanish language deals a bit more in body language than English, so if this guy was Latino (hence the Spanish upbringing), that would explain the hand movements. Next, the cop is required to (in my hometown) at least reply to why you need to be in handcuffs, even if the excuse is fake (For your protection or some BS). Third, both were escalating the scene to that, as a rude cop never gets much love from others (heck, my manager is a total shiathead, and is rather hated). Lastly, the guy -was- talking while the cops were trying to subdue him, and the cop had his fingers at his mouth, so talking easily becomes biting.

IMO, it was mutual errors that caused the idiocy. The police however should have been more professional in the start of it.

He's Turkish

This this thread gets better and better.


Ahhh, sorry I missed that ;) His fault then.
 
2013-01-06 10:10:12 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Endive Wombat:

With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like, I suspect that over the coming years, these "good 'ol boy" clubs of corruption and coverups are going to come to light, be squashed out, and the court of public opinion will drive these assholes into retirement or out of town so to speak.  Unfortunately a lot of people have to unnecessarily suffer until then.

OMG... a true utopian. I salute you sir. I cannot imagine that your prognostications are correct, but it is good and refreshing to find a person who believes that tomorrow will be brighter than today.


I'm a cup half full kind of guy.  I have got a sunny disposition on life and forever hopeful.

"Now, you know what they say about hopes -- they're what we cling to when reality has left us nothing else."
-John Malkovich
 
2013-01-06 01:03:18 PM

vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?


You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.
 
2013-01-06 01:29:11 PM

RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.


So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.
 
2013-01-06 01:39:49 PM

Frederick: Frederick: Your Average Witty Fark User: He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on.

Move on to where, you Jackboot?  Jail?  Our country would be better off without people like you.

I'm sorry Your Average Witty Fark User that should have been directed at Bit'O'Gristle.


Thank you for the correction. I was going to mention it, but you self corrected. Much appreciated.
 
2013-01-06 08:14:51 PM

vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.

So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.


People like you are responsible for the concentration camps of the Nazis, cause nothing like that could ever happen "here", untill it does. Who is more fool?
 
2013-01-06 09:53:02 PM

RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.

So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.

People like you are responsible for the concentration camps of the Nazis, cause nothing like that could ever happen "here", untill it does. Who is more fool?


I'm not going to end up in the camps, so it must be you.
 
2013-01-07 03:23:17 AM
I hope and pray that officer Longley is struck down in the line of duty.
 
2013-01-07 04:29:39 PM

vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.

So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.

People like you are responsible for the concentration camps of the Nazis, cause nothing like that could ever happen "here", untill it does. Who is more fool?

I'm not going to end up in the camps, so it must be you.


I would rather see to it that no one has to go to camps.
 
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