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2013-01-05 07:39:18 PM

Frederick: Your Average Witty Fark User: He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on.

Move on to where, you Jackboot?  Jail?  Our country would be better off without people like you.


I'm sorry Your Average Witty Fark User that should have been directed at Bit'O'Gristle.
 
2013-01-05 07:51:06 PM

Frederick: charmingkiddo: Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.

Innocent until proven guilty is a tenet of our legal philosophy.  You do the country a disservice with your unAmerican attitude.


I concur.

/Unless it was a fire lane.  Then hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!
 
2013-01-05 08:17:54 PM

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Keep reading your last sentence until it becomes crystal clear.
 
2013-01-05 08:28:48 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

You don't?? Seriously???


Hey OC. People who want to live in "progressive cities" prefer little exposure to the real world. But if anything disturbs their bubble-boy existence, they are the first ones to scream for rescue by the police. Then things escalate quickly once those guys arrive, usually to the horror of the original complaintant.

On a reality-based note... how yo getting by dude?
 
2013-01-05 08:37:25 PM

Endive Wombat: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The "gun" turned out to be a farking realistic tattoo of a .45 ACP.

Well, that's just asking for it...


Apparently the cops thought so. Hard to tell a tattoo from the real thing at 60 feet, at dusk. Was ruled a justified shoot.
 
2013-01-05 08:44:47 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Rich Cream: The officers goaded this person into getting agitated and then beat him down (up?) for it. For parking improperly.


Koodz: balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

Considering it is not the officer's duty to dispense justice or punishment then yes, he is out of line. That was no act of self defense.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10

The irony is we have police forces because we don't want armed gangs of vigilantes roaming the streets dispensing their own brand of justice. But guess what?

Actually, not ironic in the least. Sometime maybe you should research the origin of the nobility in Europe, or old China, or just about anywhere. Most of them started as local bandit chiefs. Their gang would build a fort along a trade route and charge "tolls" to travelers. They would rob see grain from and kill the peasants in the area - until it occurred to them that a living peasant, left with seed grain, could be robbed again and again. Then they found it necessary to PROTECT those same peasants from other bandit chiefs. There you have all the essentials of The State: (1) a monopoly of military control over a geographic area, (2) a tax base of non-gang-members, and (3) action by the gang to protect their turf. That's it! The bandit chiefs left control of the gangs to their sons, who did the same for their sons. Everything grows in complexity and precedent, and pretty soon the bandit chief is calling himself a Baron and making power deals and defensive agreements with a more powerful bandit chief who calls himself a Duke. These eventually are able to morf into nation-states when the peasants develop a sense of "us -vs- them" (nationalism). Eventually the peasants d ...


My God! Somebody on fark.com actually knows something about history! Pray tell good sir, with which university are you comfortably tenured? I wish to enroll in your classes immediately!

/No, I am not kidding at all, professor. You rock!
 
2013-01-05 08:49:14 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

You don't?? Seriously???

Hey OC. People who want to live in "progressive cities" prefer little exposure to the real world. But if anything disturbs their bubble-boy existence, they are the first ones to scream for rescue by the police. Then things escalate quickly once those guys arrive, usually to the horror of the original complaintant.

On a reality-based note... how yo getting by dude?


It's actually restful being one of the parasitical 47%. I'm beginning to like it. WORKERS OF THE WORLD, RELAX! Found ouit Friday we are definitely IN on the Section 8 subsidized housing, and we found an awesome senior apartment complex today that qualifies. Our GLORIOUS LEADER came through on the voter bribe EDD extension money, so I didn't waste my vote for him.
 
2013-01-05 08:55:51 PM

Vexed Thespian: Koodz: Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

perfect sense, i think what you are trying to articulate, is that a cop who punches someone, is really a guy who wants to punch someone, who happens to be a cop, but a cop who uses his baton is a cop, who is using his tools appropriately.... right? i think i know what you mean.


Not even that maybe. I've punched a lot of people. I used to compete in full-contact karate in Japan. That's bareknuckle to a knockout, not for points. I mention that only to establish that I'm not hypothesizing here. Punching people is different from using a weapon. When you punch someone, the harder you hit him, the more it hurts him, but the more it hurts your hand too. The connection between you and your victim/opponent is on a basic primate level. There's everything you need to create a positive feedback loop that ends with somebody seriously messed up. Pepper spray doesn't do that.

It's the same reason police in a lot of areas are told that if they are involved in a high-speed chase, they wait for backup and don't continue the pursuit on foot and try apprehending the suspect. All that adrenaline flying around can lead to something irrevocable happening.

Of course, with the neckless rage monsters we seem to like in the police force here in America, I guess they get plenty of opportunities to see red without external provocation.
 
2013-01-05 09:15:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: chairborne: clearly police officers should be the only people with guns in America.

Go ahead and point a gun at a cop and tell us how that works out for you.

/idiot


Nobody was suggesting that one should point a gun at a cop. That was not the topic. The poster suggested that one might wish to keep a weapon for oneself that one might protect oneself should the need arise, knowing that a cop is seldom present when one needs protection. There was nothing stated or implied about aiming a gun at a law officer. Implied in his comment was a brtoader set of observations about self preservation and there is nothing wrong with any of that at all.

You often post smart things, but this time, you might wish to go back and read the conversation a second time. Maybe you were just trying to be funny, I dunno. I miss things too sometimes.
 
2013-01-05 09:27:10 PM

Endive Wombat:

With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like, I suspect that over the coming years, these "good 'ol boy" clubs of corruption and coverups are going to come to light, be squashed out, and the court of public opinion will drive these assholes into retirement or out of town so to speak.  Unfortunately a lot of people have to unnecessarily suffer until then.


OMG... a true utopian. I salute you sir. I cannot imagine that your prognostications are correct, but it is good and refreshing to find a person who believes that tomorrow will be brighter than today.
 
2013-01-05 09:40:19 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: As a retired police officer, and I'm assuming most of the criminal apologists here have not been, this is excellent police work. His car was running, and that is a common tactic by criminals, as he is one. Suspects coming off the car when you are interviewing them, or a sudden flexing of the muscles indicates a desire to fight or run. So they put him down. And yes, he resisted arrest, and bit the police officer, and he got punched for it. He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on. But no, he had to be a dick and resist and not comply. This was perfect police work, and if you can't see it, you have never worn a badge, or are a criminal apologist.

/high five to the officers for a job well done.


Glad you are retired.

The farkers here whom you refer to as criminal apologists are actually regular citizens who foolishly believe that the police are supposed to make the streets a safer place. The only thing to fear on the street in most situations is the police. Nobody else looking to stop and harass people day after freakin' day except the police. When the police live up to the "serve and protect" slogan, the people will adore you guys. Not that this will ever come true.

And for the record, I am a married, tax paying, law abiding business owner with zero arrests ever. But I'm not blind. I see the police state rearing its ugly head in America. Nothing to fear but our protectors anymore.

You call regular Americans criminal apologists? I call you a fascist pig. Go choke on your pension.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:33 PM

Frederick: charmingkiddo: Live in Seattle.

It is NOT cold enough here to merit keeping your car running. The dude was obviously planning on stealing shiat, and him having a criminal records makes that plain as day.

Did the officers handle this well? No. But I don't believe the guy they arrested was innocent given he had left his car idling.

Innocent until proven guilty is a tenet of our legal philosophy.  You do the country a disservice with your unAmerican attitude.


imageshack.us
 
2013-01-05 10:33:28 PM

Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.


Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA
 
2013-01-06 12:19:24 AM

RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA


You mean the thing the GOP passed?
 
2013-01-06 09:10:43 AM

fisker: People_are_Idiots: jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

I did better, I also watched the video. First off, the guy looked of Latino descent. (Hint: this is not racist) I learned in my Spanish class that the Spanish language deals a bit more in body language than English, so if this guy was Latino (hence the Spanish upbringing), that would explain the hand movements. Next, the cop is required to (in my hometown) at least reply to why you need to be in handcuffs, even if the excuse is fake (For your protection or some BS). Third, both were escalating the scene to that, as a rude cop never gets much love from others (heck, my manager is a total shiathead, and is rather hated). Lastly, the guy -was- talking while the cops were trying to subdue him, and the cop had his fingers at his mouth, so talking easily becomes biting.

IMO, it was mutual errors that caused the idiocy. The police however should have been more professional in the start of it.

He's Turkish

This this thread gets better and better.


Ahhh, sorry I missed that ;) His fault then.
 
2013-01-06 10:10:12 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Endive Wombat:

With the way technology is progressing with personal dash cams, cell phones, cloud based storage, social networking and the like, I suspect that over the coming years, these "good 'ol boy" clubs of corruption and coverups are going to come to light, be squashed out, and the court of public opinion will drive these assholes into retirement or out of town so to speak.  Unfortunately a lot of people have to unnecessarily suffer until then.

OMG... a true utopian. I salute you sir. I cannot imagine that your prognostications are correct, but it is good and refreshing to find a person who believes that tomorrow will be brighter than today.


I'm a cup half full kind of guy.  I have got a sunny disposition on life and forever hopeful.

"Now, you know what they say about hopes -- they're what we cling to when reality has left us nothing else."
-John Malkovich
 
2013-01-06 01:03:18 PM

vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?


You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.
 
2013-01-06 01:29:11 PM

RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.


So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.
 
2013-01-06 01:39:49 PM

Frederick: Frederick: Your Average Witty Fark User: He's obviously a dickhead, and anyone else in that position would just let the officers do their job, and move on.

Move on to where, you Jackboot?  Jail?  Our country would be better off without people like you.

I'm sorry Your Average Witty Fark User that should have been directed at Bit'O'Gristle.


Thank you for the correction. I was going to mention it, but you self corrected. Much appreciated.
 
2013-01-06 08:14:51 PM

vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.

So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.


People like you are responsible for the concentration camps of the Nazis, cause nothing like that could ever happen "here", untill it does. Who is more fool?
 
2013-01-06 09:53:02 PM

RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.

So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.

People like you are responsible for the concentration camps of the Nazis, cause nothing like that could ever happen "here", untill it does. Who is more fool?


I'm not going to end up in the camps, so it must be you.
 
2013-01-07 03:23:17 AM
I hope and pray that officer Longley is struck down in the line of duty.
 
2013-01-07 04:29:39 PM

vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: vygramul: RedVentrue: Madbassist1: Thunderpipes: RedVentrue: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Progressive usually progresses into Gestapo.

Look at the nation. We are about 2 steps away from Obama having Brown Shirts.

Lucky for us St. Reagan was way WAY more progressive than Obama, you farking troll.

Reagan didn't sign the 2013 NDAA

You mean the thing the GOP passed?

You mean the thing they both passed and Obama signed? Looks like it to me.

So it looks like both parties progress into Gestapo with their own brownshirts.

I'll be sure to visit our Fark Independents in the FEMA reeducation camps.

People like you are responsible for the concentration camps of the Nazis, cause nothing like that could ever happen "here", untill it does. Who is more fool?

I'm not going to end up in the camps, so it must be you.


I would rather see to it that no one has to go to camps.
 
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