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(Seattle Times)   Warm up your car while shopping? You best believe that will get you a beat down from Seattle Police   (seattletimes.com) divider line 173
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2013-01-05 01:11:20 AM  
You'd think if a cop didn't want to get bitten he wouldn't shove his fingers in a detainee's mouth.  Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-05 01:11:42 AM  
What a dick move by LEO.
 
2013-01-05 03:03:58 AM  
On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.
 
2013-01-05 10:03:16 AM  
Warm up your car while shopping? Or getting ready to shoplift?
 
2013-01-05 10:03:44 AM  
Whitcomb conceded that Longley's abrasive demeanor likely fell short of the department's new community policing credo of "Listening and Explaining with Equity and Dignity," but added that Longley was above the law so stfu.
 
2013-01-05 10:04:52 AM  
No matter how progressive a town might be, law enforcement always attracts authoritarian douchebags and bullies.
 
2013-01-05 10:06:37 AM  
At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."


Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.
 
2013-01-05 10:08:00 AM  
Amateurs. NYPD would have just shot him.
 
2013-01-05 10:08:01 AM  
"But I would remind you that it's 2013, and we've come a long way in those two years"

....sooo we're gonna take a mulligan here -
 
2013-01-05 10:08:56 AM  

Koodz: At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."

Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.


i've got two key rings. my personal one has 3 keys, my work one has like...30? better leave it in the truck.
 
2013-01-05 10:09:49 AM  
You're not putting those cuffs on me! lol
 
2013-01-05 10:11:06 AM  
My keyring has so many keys on it, it would probably be classified as a deadly weapon by the cops. If you throw that pound of metal right into someone's kisser...
 
2013-01-05 10:12:24 AM  
Geez! How many times does an officer have to be judged by a jury of his peers before you people are satisfied?
 
2013-01-05 10:12:48 AM  
According to our records, we can make stuff up about your records....
 
2013-01-05 10:14:43 AM  
Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.
 
2013-01-05 10:15:09 AM  
And not a sounder was heard from them again

/seacawk
 
2013-01-05 10:18:44 AM  
Can't talk without using your hands? That right there deserves a beat down.
 
2013-01-05 10:19:24 AM  
His teeth cut my knuckles as I was punching him! That counts as a bite, and retroactively justifies my punching him in the first place.

The loop is closed! Causality is preserved.

If they hadn't beaten the guy, it could have destroyed the universe!

Priorities, people.
 
2013-01-05 10:22:28 AM  

Lsherm: You'd think if a cop didn't want to get bitten he wouldn't shove his fingers in a detainee's mouth.  Just sayin'.


A man placed his hand in a mule's mouth to ascertain how many teeth the mule possessed.
The mule closed his mouth to find out how many fingers the man had.

Thus, the curiosity of both the man and the mule were satisfied.
 
2013-01-05 10:22:59 AM  
Check your local laws, you might be a violator. It is illegal in Genesee County, MI to leave a vehicle unlocked and running. Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.

Koodz: At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."

Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.


I checked and I have three rings with eleven keys. Now you have me worried that I could be a class A misdemeanor. Could it be worse that I have two different car brand keys, also? I know driving a Ford in the wrong town will get a little extra road rage, but what if they find out I chose to drive the Ford instead of the Chevy. Would that be a separate charge?

/drive a Ford near a GM plant and you will see what I mean
//hoping to trade in Chevy for second Ford, look out Flint you better be ready to cut me off everytime I leave my house.
///GM products suck, if you own a vehicle with a 3400 chevy motor, get rid of it
 
2013-01-05 10:23:40 AM  
Was it a fire lane?  Then fark him.  All those assholes should get punched in the face.
 
SH
2013-01-05 10:25:06 AM  
From TFA: Whitcomb said Ocak had left his car running while parked outside a store - a common ploy used by shoplifters cold people.

Article now fixed.
 
2013-01-05 10:25:11 AM  

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee
 
2013-01-05 10:25:13 AM  
Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?
 
2013-01-05 10:26:16 AM  

Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


You don't?? Seriously???
 
2013-01-05 10:28:01 AM  

MerelyFoolish: Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.


2/10
 
2013-01-05 10:28:18 AM  
I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.
 
2013-01-05 10:33:14 AM  
Am I under arrest, or am I free to leave?
 
2013-01-05 10:33:38 AM  
This story sucks without the video.

I have never heard that shoplifters leave their cars running. It would seem pretty easy to squash that racket if all the store security had to do was put a wheel lock on every car left running in the lot.

/we need the moving pics
 
2013-01-05 10:34:14 AM  
Dunno if the guy wins a lawsuit, I might call it a win, despite a couple punches to the face and a rough take-down.
 
2013-01-05 10:35:20 AM  

jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.


the kid was a bit of a smart-ass...but you really should watch the video.
Typically when I hear about cops getting shot... I imagine them being like that guy and it makes it feel ok.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:07 AM  

jmr61: The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."


Fark that. If you put handcuffs on me, then I am clearly not free to leave and am therefore under arrest.
They better have charged him with something.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:14 AM  
Is Seattle really a city with the climate cool enough to leave your car running to keep it warm?

Weather almanac for Seattle on December 29, 2010 shows a high of 43 and a low of 37... hardly "warm up the car" temperatures.

Hmm.
 
2013-01-05 10:37:56 AM  
These guys better not ever come to the mountains of Colorado in the winter. They'd have a whole lot of "questioning" to do with *everybody* leaving their cars running if it's a short enough period of time.
 
2013-01-05 10:38:06 AM  
The officers goaded this person into getting agitated and then beat him down (up?) for it. For parking improperly.


Koodz: balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?


Considering it is not the officer's duty to dispense justice or punishment then yes, he is out of line. That was no act of self defense.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: MerelyFoolish: Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10


The irony is we have police forces because we don't want armed gangs of vigilantes roaming the streets dispensing their own brand of justice. But guess what?
 
2013-01-05 10:38:37 AM  
When I see these things, and read about people describing police work as difficult and dangerous in order to "cut them slack" I usually just try to remember that police officers WANT the job. They know it's mostly dealing with a_holes in bulk while barfing up rainbows of niceness. They know it's dangerous. They sign up for it anyway. Who on Earth wants a job dealing day-to-day with thugs who might just hunt them down and kill them and their entire families someday??

These clowns do. They WANT it.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-05 10:38:48 AM  

stlbluez: the kid cop was a bit of a smart-ass...

 
2013-01-05 10:39:51 AM  

Divorach: thugs who might just hunt them down and kill them and their entire families someday??


That happens all the time. Not.
 
2013-01-05 10:39:59 AM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Dunno if the guy wins a lawsuit, I might call it a win, despite a couple punches to the face and a rough take-down.


exactly. He's going to come out with a lot of money and a "do not fark with me" record on him stored by the police.
 
2013-01-05 10:40:45 AM  
The second a cop is dick enough to give me shiat about the number of keys on my key-ring, you better just mirandize me now and let me call my lawyer, because nothing I say to you is likely to make it to court. What a group of shiatty thugs.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:02 AM  
FTFA: ...officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons...

So there were three gun-toting, taser-carrying, mace-sporting, body armor-wearing, baton-equipped LEOs vs. one 20 year-old smartass. And the cops tried to cuff him for their OWN safety? Oh, he was a flight risk. Yeah, because if he took off running, Chief Wiggum would be farked.

/SUSPECT IS HATLESS. I REPEAT, HATLESS.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:15 AM  
Wwell, they are Democrat supporting union folks. What do you expect? That's how unions do business. Abuse power, violence, and the government backs them.
 
2013-01-05 10:47:32 AM  

Koodz: Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?


Especially when it was clearly in retaliation for the fingers you just purposefully crammed in to the "suspect's" mouth so he could bite you in the pointless struggle of four officers to detain an otherwise law-abiding-citizen that was already feeling threatened and intimidated by four white guys with anger issues and all the amnesty the badge allows.

/what's a "run-on sentence"?
 
2013-01-05 10:48:08 AM  

farkingatwork: exactly. He's going to come out with a lot of money and a "do not fark with me" record on him stored by the police.


Wrong, he's going to end up committing suicide by shooting himself in the back seventeen times with a police issue glock.
 
2013-01-05 10:48:31 AM  

Dinjiin


On par for SPD.
Why do people continue to try to limit evil police to xyz city/county? The line should be "On par for police". It's no different in any other place. Violent criminal gangs are violent in any location not just L.A., Seattle, or Detroit.

Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it. Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.


Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.
--- Frank Herbert - Chapterhouse Dune


See also Philip Zimbardo's Stanford prison experiment
 
2013-01-05 10:50:03 AM  

jmr61: I think some people need to RTFA:

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.


"No, we're not arresting you, we just want to cuff you."
What the fark? No, I would totally not be comfortable with that. Either arrest and cuff me, or get the fark out of my face.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:19 AM  
God bless our heroic boys in blue.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:28 AM  

mike_d85: Dinjiin: On par for SPD.  Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it.  Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee


I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"

But I digress, part of law enforcement is dealing with all types of people, its just a shame the career attracts the wrong type to deal with said people.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:45 AM  
clearly police officers should be the only people with guns in America.
 
2013-01-05 10:56:39 AM  
Pretty much always recorded somehow. Speak loudly and clearly, ask if you are under arrest. If not, you are free to go. If they get physical, do not resist, ask them why they are arresting and assaulting you. Then sue them.

One of the biggest things parents can teach their children, is their rights and how police will almost always try to abuse them.

By the way, it is completely legal to give the cops the finger, and tell them to fark off. It will enrage them, causing some beat down, but ultimately, money for you.
 
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