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2013-01-05 12:48:36 AM  
5 votes:
There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.
2013-01-05 01:25:27 AM  
4 votes:

vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,


Lessee...

Since you keep guns in your bathroom, you're drinking beer at 3 a.m. and stumbling to the outhouse in the middle of the night, I'm guessing that this story ends with you hearing the cat fighting a raccoon, you grabbing the nearest firearm (probably a sawed-off 30-30), lunging for the door and forgetting you have your pants around your ankles, falling facedown into the mud at the entrance of the outhouse with the shotgun between your knees, the blast blows off your left big toe, and the recoil clips your balls, leaving you swearing and limping back to the house bleeding and with a burn it's going to be tough to explain to your wife.

But the raccoon gets away.
2013-01-05 12:45:37 AM  
4 votes:

""The guy's face down, crying," the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she'd shoot again.

Slater, unaware that she had emptied her chamber, obliged as the mother and her children ran to a neighbor's house."


I guess that punk didn't feel lucky.


3.bp.blogspot.com

2013-01-05 01:04:36 AM  
3 votes:
"Mother of Two Surprises"

That's my favorite at the local dim sum place.
2013-01-05 01:39:04 PM  
2 votes:
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Still didn't answer the question.


Because its a retarded question deserving of mockery
2013-01-05 07:57:38 AM  
2 votes:
s9.postimage.org
2013-01-05 01:51:41 AM  
2 votes:
So let me get this straight, 5 bullets in the face and neck and he lived? Time to upgrade to a .45 cal, that .38 spc ain't S**T!
2013-01-05 01:30:33 AM  
2 votes:

Amusement: What bugs me is why she needed to shoot 5 times. Gun control ain't about gun possession. Seems sorta inhumane to shoot five times to the face. Thinks ammo is semi wad cutter 158 grain soft lead @ 725 feet per second. 9mm is unimpressed.


Sounds like this guys head is not vital anatomy.
2013-01-05 01:25:33 AM  
2 votes:
This will in no way devolve into a troll thread about guns.
2013-01-05 01:12:10 AM  
2 votes:

vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,


If you live in a civilized country where people don't blow each other away for standing outside an outhouse, turn to 318.

If you live in a barren wasteland without a functioning shred of humanity, turn to 83.
2013-01-05 01:06:30 AM  
2 votes:
Deputies found Slater bleeding profusely in a neighbor's driveway.

"I'm dying. Help me," he told them, according to Chapman.


The deputies should have said, "sure, we will get right on that in a few hours."
2013-01-05 12:59:53 AM  
2 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.


Yeah but if she had used one there wouldn't have been a ton of money wasted in the ER on the guy plus court costs and cost of jail time.
2013-01-05 12:32:48 AM  
2 votes:
i1079.photobucket.com
2013-01-05 04:00:19 PM  
1 votes:

Maul555: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: bratface: Weird story. There just seems to be something left out?
Also, this bit is a head scratcher "said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman's narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld." But they name the husband?

I would bet that the 'burgler' didn't hear the women when she told her child not to answer the door. That's why he entered the house.

The article also says that he had time to enter the house ransack two 'floors' and then enter the attic and
then try to search the attic. When he opens the door where the family is hiding Mrs. Herman shot him. She then was able to escape to a neighbors, then the 'burgler' left. Where were the cops? Why did it take so long for them to respond? This story is just weird.

As is the sudden lack of concern over the War on Drugs or this man's access to mental health care. It's almost like Fark's gun rights advocates never really cared about those things!

/still no answer to my question...

This gun owner wants an end to the war on drugs, legalization of marijuana for recreational use, and saved funds diverted to healthcare (including mental)... Crazy, right?


yeah. how u can be for the end of the war on drugs, and ALSO be for ending the legalization of marijuana

farking batshiat
2013-01-05 02:33:23 PM  
1 votes:

Loaded Six String: Flakeloaf: vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,

If you live in a civilized country where people don't blow each other away for standing outside an outhouse, turn to 318.

If you live in a barren wasteland without a functioning shred of humanity, turn to 83.

Turn to page 95 if you have the dignity and honor to not steal from or harm anyone else even if you're starving.

Jackass.


Eh, he could've sold the crowbar.
2013-01-05 12:58:44 PM  
1 votes:

Mitrovarr: I agree with others who think this sounds pretty fishy.

Most people would have just answered the door. She called for help before he even broke in. It sounds like she knew she might be dealing with someone dangerous.
...
However, I think it's much more likely that she knew who he was, and he wasn't there to burgle the house.


Seriously, were you there? Sometimes body language can tell a person a lot about a situation. Whatever the case she was right.

Also, he had lots of opportunities to figure out she was home.

Because criminals are uniformly brilliant, logical, rational, and kind. They will always stop when they realize a home is occupied right? Home Invasion? Silly me making up words that don't exist

The surgeon general has determined there is a correlation between breaking down some else door with a crowbar and getting shot in the face, adjust your behavior accordingly.
2013-01-05 12:39:35 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iq_in_binary: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So she calls hubby at work, says there's a black man ringing the doorbell and he tells her to grab the kids and the gun and hide while he calls 911.

Is there ANYONE reading this who advises their wife this way?

I got no problem with burglars getting shot, I'm just not convinced that's what happened here. At least, I'm not sure enough to laud this lady as a hero. The first thing I'd do is verify the husband's location when this went down but it sounds like the sheriff is comfortable with the story he's got now.

I'm pretty sure if some weird guy came knocking and made it clear he's going to keep doing so until someone answered my girlfriend would call me up to ask me if I knew anything about it too. And she's been on the mat with me to learn things like a guillotine and a scissor kick to arm bar combo.

Sometimes the first thought that hits your head is "Is this guy here to unplug a toilet?" and you try to figure that out. Her reaction was one of "let's figure this out," not one of "what's the best way to kill this guy and get away with it."

We're social animals. Our mates our often our closest social contacts and calendars, when unscheduled or unexpected social events come knocking, it's a pretty damn common response to check with our closest social peers to try and figure out how to navigate the situation.

"Some weird guy", huh?

I notice neither you nor anyone else has answered the question.


woah! You are completely right... I cant believe I didn't see this before! This shooting has everything to do with the race of the burglar and nothing to do with criminal behavior of any kind. Thanks you!
2013-01-05 11:46:03 AM  
1 votes:

guises: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.



Did you read the same article as the rest of us?

his 37-year-old spouse[the mother], who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.

"He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver," said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman's narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.


Hiding in a closet, desperately trying to shield your two children behind you, keep them quiet, all while a dude with a crowbar smashes his way through your house before finally ripping open the last barrier between you and him?

Yeah, the article point blank tells you she used a complex lure to draw him into a classic crossfire ambush from an elevated position using her l33t skills learned from COLBLOPS,
2013-01-05 11:35:57 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,

If you live in a civilized country where people don't blow each other away for standing outside an outhouse, turn to 318.

If you live in a barren wasteland without a functioning shred of humanity, turn to 83.


Barren wasteland, barren wasteland!
2013-01-05 11:18:35 AM  
1 votes:

Another Government Employee: Uh... Clip? ..38's are usually revolvers.


Donning my cloak as Captain Pedantic...some revolvers can use clips. Moon clips are metal rings with evenly-spaced notches to accept cartridges for a revolver. They're an easy-use way to reload all of the chambers of a revolver at a time, and technically that she would have emptied her (moon) clip in shooting at this idiot.

But yeah, she probably wasn't using a clip. ;-)
2013-01-05 11:01:10 AM  
1 votes:
I take it back, she was clearly camping
2013-01-05 10:54:27 AM  
1 votes:
I'm new here.  Is it appropriate at this point in the thread to to ask for BIE?  Thanks.
2013-01-05 10:50:25 AM  
1 votes:
I had no idea that the AR-15 came in .38 cal.
2013-01-05 10:43:45 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.


Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.

/ cue the "death to jaywalkers!" crowd
// b-b-but they're criminals! they don't deserve to live
2013-01-05 10:35:33 AM  
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: If you believe that someone breaking into your home (with a crowbar no less) is not threatening you are a moron.

She should have used a shotgun


Don't feel bad, the anti-gun folks are trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance of realizing if they had their way this lady would've been raped and/or murdered in front of her kids. They want to think if they make enough rules society will be perfect and that no grey areas exist.
2013-01-05 10:33:58 AM  
1 votes:
Let's ignore the gun issue today and instead look at the request for privacy in the article.

FTA: He [the husband] asked that her [the wife's] name be withheld.

Further down...

"My wife's a hero," the woman's husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel 2 Action News in a brief statement.

Way to keep the confidentiality, dudes.
2013-01-05 10:20:18 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.

Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.

Because the only possible penalty for thievery is death. Does everyone on your planet run everywhere they go?

On my planet, "death by misadventure" is a possible outcome of thievery.

This is a common opinion in the US, I guess. Challenging the absoluteness of the truth of that idea on an American message board went exactly where a sensible person should've predicted it would go. Oh well.


Thieves are tolerated even less well in a lot of countries not named America. It's OK, you just come from a place where people scratch their heads after a theft and say "I guess he needed it more than me." Judging from the trolley way you've expressed this, we'll assume some Scandanavian nation that had viking thieves.
2013-01-05 10:18:51 AM  
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

She emptied her entire clip and managed to hit the guy 5/6 times. And he was still a threat. He was able to operate a vehicle. He's still alive. It took him being unable to count to realize she was out of bullets.

If he'd had a friend with him, if she'd been a worse a shot, if he'd been trying to hurt her, she'd probably be dead. An AR-15 would have been plenty to protect her family from 2-3 criminals. Why would you want to limit a law abiding citizen's ability to protect her children?


Uh... Clip? ..38's are usually revolvers.

Only reason the idiot is stlll alive is she hit him in his hardass head.
2013-01-05 10:01:57 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.

Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.

Because the only possible penalty for thievery is death. Does everyone on your planet run everywhere they go?


On my planet, "death by misadventure" is a possible outcome of thievery.
2013-01-05 04:43:26 AM  
1 votes:
"He asked that her name be withheld"
""My wife's a hero," the woman's husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel"....

Has this been covered?

/2+2
2013-01-05 04:36:39 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Loaded Six String: So you would accept him being shot if he was threatening? Violating someone's home is not threatening?

Yes, in my opinion he could be of higher moral character by not trying to take from other people. That you would place your trust in a stranger who forced their way into your home not to harm you seems very naive to me.

Yes. Not necessarily.

And being unwilling to trust somebody and actually perceiving a real threat of harm from someone who is, at least according to the article, merely standing there holding my stuff, is still quite a leap. Being a thief ain't a hangin crime.


Tell that to all the horse thieves who have been hung.
2013-01-05 03:31:01 AM  
1 votes:

jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.


You're ADORABLE.
2013-01-05 02:05:40 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: It is not a crime to kill an outlaw


upload.wikimedia.org
2013-01-05 01:59:55 AM  
1 votes:
Also I think it's funny that the law has to specify the lethal force be used against another person in response to a break-in.

www.screeninsults.com
2013-01-05 01:28:36 AM  
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: /Thankfully my girl is as pro gun as I am and I've taught her to shoot pretty much everything I own


Sounds expensive. I hope you have good renter's insurance.
2013-01-05 01:27:36 AM  
1 votes:
What bugs me is why she needed to shoot 5 times. Gun control ain't about gun possession. Seems sorta inhumane to shoot five times to the face. Thinks ammo is semi wad cutter 158 grain soft lead @ 725 feet per second. 9mm is unimpressed.
2013-01-05 01:23:35 AM  
1 votes:

the_chief: Just because you can shoot somebody in the face for forcibly invading your home, doesn't mean you should.


Yes you should.
2013-01-05 01:21:24 AM  
1 votes:

Loaded Six String: Flakeloaf: vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,

If you live in a civilized country where people don't blow each other away for standing outside an outhouse, turn to 318.

If you live in a barren wasteland without a functioning shred of humanity, turn to 83.

Turn to page 95 if you have the dignity and honor to not steal from or harm anyone else even if you're starving.

Jackass.


So he wasn't shot because he was threatening, he was shot because in your view he's subhuman?

Usually when you move the goalposts, it's TOWARDS the ball.
2013-01-05 01:21:03 AM  
1 votes:

Sherman Potter:

Nice try, twerp.

/you still aren't getting them
//ever


Aren't you precious.
2013-01-05 01:20:25 AM  
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Flakeloaf: hundreddollarman: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

0/10.

No. Totally serious. Someone standing in your livingroom taking your things has not yet earned death.

You see, when you live in a place where people aren't afraid of shadows, you can have things like rights and a functioning legal system and still have the right to protect yourself. A person who hasn't threatened anyone with violence can't be shot on sight no matter what they're doing. That's what it's like and it's kinda neat.

Sorry, but you break into my house that is a presumed deadly threat to me and mine (and is stated to be in law here). You're bought and paid for.


The presumption that someone being in your house intends to start murdering all humanity in a twenty yard radius is what's ridiculous here. The fact that someone codified it doesn't make it any less stupid.
2013-01-05 01:15:03 AM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

He absolutely deserves it. He was a threat to the lives of the homeowner and her children. No sympathy here. He pounded on the door even after the women shouted at her kids not to answer it. He knew someone was home when he broke in.


Prove he heard her.
Yeah in all good sense you're more likely right than wrong, but reasonable doubt is a higher burden than that. The article doesn't say he threatened her, but it doesn't say he didn't know anyone was home either.
2013-01-05 01:14:21 AM  
1 votes:
Just because you can shoot somebody in the face for forcibly invading your home, doesn't mean you should.
2013-01-05 01:13:49 AM  
1 votes:

hundreddollarman: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

0/10.


No. Totally serious. Someone standing in your livingroom taking your things has not yet earned death.

You see, when you live in a place where people aren't afraid of shadows, you can have things like rights and a functioning legal system and still have the right to protect yourself. A person who hasn't threatened anyone with violence can't be shot on sight no matter what they're doing. That's what it's like and it's kinda neat.
2013-01-05 01:09:49 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.


dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,
2013-01-05 01:09:10 AM  
1 votes:
"When you got five bullets in you, it makes you kind of disoriented"

Probably, yeah.
2013-01-05 01:08:54 AM  
1 votes:
Burglar knocks on door.

Lady doesn't answer the door.

Instead she calls hers husband. "Should I answer the door?"

Husband says, "No, pretend nobody is home."

Burglar thinks, "Nobody's home!"

Hilarity ensues.
2013-01-05 01:08:16 AM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.


Nice try, twerp.

/you still aren't getting them
//ever
2013-01-05 01:07:47 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.


www.troll.me
2013-01-05 01:03:03 AM  
1 votes:
Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.
2013-01-05 12:57:11 AM  
1 votes:
like the shocker.jpg
but not quite like the heartattacker.jpg
and not like...

oh, bullets.,. ouch
2013-01-05 12:53:49 AM  
1 votes:
Of course, if she'd had a real gun he wouldn't have survived 5 shots to the head/neck.
2013-01-05 12:53:39 AM  
1 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.


So a Glock would have made her a monster then?
2013-01-05 12:30:18 AM  
1 votes:
The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area

Nice shootin' Tex!
 
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