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2013-01-05 09:19:39 AM  
i got ants in the pants
i'm discombobulated
give me a calmative!!

deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-05 09:20:41 AM  
dependable Defensible
 
2013-01-05 09:27:04 AM  

jafiwam: Snopes has covered it, and they have screen shots of it.


They have pics of what is apparently a "fake photoshopped screenshot". You are arguing in an incredibly dishonest fashion.
 
2013-01-05 09:30:20 AM  
We're all thinking about it: Something smells fishy.
 
2013-01-05 09:45:16 AM  

Fano: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.

Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.


Because the only possible penalty for thievery is death. Does everyone on your planet run everywhere they go?
 
2013-01-05 09:46:29 AM  

Harry Knutz: Loaded Six String: This guy with a crowbar, Jack Nickolson with an axe, either one breaks down a door they have no business passing through it is a threatening act

Again, it's a criminal act, not necessarily a threatening one. This is precisely why there are varying degrees when prosecuting felonious acts.


Entering a person's house without their permission is in itself threatening as defined by law. This is a fact.
 
2013-01-05 09:50:57 AM  

Harry Knutz: The man's intent was labeled "threatening" without any sort of proof.


That he broke into the house is all the proof required by law.
 
2013-01-05 09:54:09 AM  

Flakeloaf: Moral jury still out.


Only if you are a moron.
 
2013-01-05 10:01:57 AM  

Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.

Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.

Because the only possible penalty for thievery is death. Does everyone on your planet run everywhere they go?


On my planet, "death by misadventure" is a possible outcome of thievery.
 
2013-01-05 10:04:47 AM  

Fano: Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.

Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.

Because the only possible penalty for thievery is death. Does everyone on your planet run everywhere they go?

On my planet, "death by misadventure" is a possible outcome of thievery.


This is a common opinion in the US, I guess. Challenging the absoluteness of the truth of that idea on an American message board went exactly where a sensible person should've predicted it would go. Oh well.
 
2013-01-05 10:11:52 AM  

iq_in_binary: Fail in Human Form: iq_in_binary: Are you talking about a .38 Special

Yes

.380 ACP is a bit of a different animal. It's about 35% more powerful than .38 Special for one, you may want to keep that in mind. Maybe if she had used .380 Auto instead of .38 Special he might have been turfed.


Nope, .38, .380 Auto, and 9x18 Mak are basically equal, 9mm about 10% more energy.
Link
 
2013-01-05 10:15:45 AM  

cleofus: iq_in_binary: Fail in Human Form: iq_in_binary: Are you talking about a .38 Special

Yes

.380 ACP is a bit of a different animal. It's about 35% more powerful than .38 Special for one, you may want to keep that in mind. Maybe if she had used .380 Auto instead of .38 Special he might have been turfed.

Nope, .38, .380 Auto, and 9x18 Mak are basically equal, 9mm about 10% more energy.
Link


Oops, looked at velocity. Actually 380 and 9x18 Mak are close, 38 about 25% more, 9 about 60% more energy.
 
2013-01-05 10:18:51 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

She emptied her entire clip and managed to hit the guy 5/6 times. And he was still a threat. He was able to operate a vehicle. He's still alive. It took him being unable to count to realize she was out of bullets.

If he'd had a friend with him, if she'd been a worse a shot, if he'd been trying to hurt her, she'd probably be dead. An AR-15 would have been plenty to protect her family from 2-3 criminals. Why would you want to limit a law abiding citizen's ability to protect her children?


Uh... Clip? ..38's are usually revolvers.

Only reason the idiot is stlll alive is she hit him in his hardass head.
 
2013-01-05 10:20:18 AM  

Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: Fano: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.

Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.

Because the only possible penalty for thievery is death. Does everyone on your planet run everywhere they go?

On my planet, "death by misadventure" is a possible outcome of thievery.

This is a common opinion in the US, I guess. Challenging the absoluteness of the truth of that idea on an American message board went exactly where a sensible person should've predicted it would go. Oh well.


Thieves are tolerated even less well in a lot of countries not named America. It's OK, you just come from a place where people scratch their heads after a theft and say "I guess he needed it more than me." Judging from the trolley way you've expressed this, we'll assume some Scandanavian nation that had viking thieves.
 
2013-01-05 10:24:21 AM  

corronchilejano: We're all thinking about it: Something smells fishy.


Was this guy tricked into taking a crowbar to the door and rummaging through the house?
Was a mother of two just looking for someone to shoot while cowering in a closet?

If the answers are no and no, I'm not sure how much more clear cut it can get.
The sheriff must have been doing his best to keep from giggling about how the crook almost met his end.
 
2013-01-05 10:27:39 AM  

Amusement: What bugs me is why she needed to shoot 5 times. Gun control ain't about gun possession. Seems sorta inhumane to shoot five times to the face. Thinks ammo is semi wad cutter 158 grain soft lead @ 725 feet per second. 9mm is unimpressed.


I have always told my wife to keep pulling the trigger until she runs out of ammo, then change magazines. Say what you will about the possibility of multiple intruders, I'll still take shocking violence of action over any Steven Seagal BS.
 
2013-01-05 10:27:42 AM  

Canton: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Canton: Clearly she knew how to handle the gun.

Six shots point blank and the guy drove away(ok, not far).

I didn't say her aim was perfect. The situation must have been a bit stressful. Someone did mention earlier that she should have aimed for the center of mass. And they're right. But it doesn't sound like there was much time to think in that situation, and if she'd never shot a dude before. So yeah, I'd say she handled the gun well.

/Also, she didn't shoot herself or her kids by accident, which is a huge plus.


A perfect reason why law-abiding citizens shouldn't be limited to 10 rounds. People don't realize how quickly you can go through those many shots. In a high stress situation most people won't reliably hit their mark as well as this lady did.

Kudos to this lady for defending her family. This lady may have been raped or murdered in front of her kids of the pro-ban people got their way.
 
2013-01-05 10:32:58 AM  

Harry Knutz: iq_in_binary: Actions speak louder than words. He broke into an occupied home. If he didn't intend to harm anyone it would stand to reason he would have waited until no one was home. Nobody gives a flying fark what his intentions were, nobody is psychic. When you take actions that can easily be perceived as intending others harm, like breaking into an occupied home, intent doesn't matter worth a damn, perception does. His victims have absolutely no moral duty to explain their actions to you when they were in reaction to a traumatic crime.

If you were paying attention, I very clearly said that the woman's actions were justified under the law. She shot him precisely because she perceived a threat, so Castle Doctrine would be in effect. There is no dispute, here. We agree on this. (I did not address whether her actions were morally justifiable, but for the record, I believe they were.)

Where we disagree is motive. Was the man actually intending to commit her harm? You don't know that. I don't know that. In a court of law, when filing charges, you need evidence. It would be hard to charge this man with anything other than B&E. That's the entire point I've been making. For the purposes of deciding what to charge this guy with, absent evidence not apparent in the article, you can't prove anything other than his intent was to break open a door.


Yeah, getting shot in face nearly half a dozen times precluded him from following through with his mens rea to their full conclusion. Funny how that works when people have the tools to defend themselves. Seriously, what's the argument here? The lady has no duty to retreat from her own home (and it sounds like she was basically cornered anyway). He was clearly breaking in and he had a weapon. The latter isn't even necessary for justifying this guy getting shot.
 
2013-01-05 10:33:58 AM  
Let's ignore the gun issue today and instead look at the request for privacy in the article.

FTA: He [the husband] asked that her [the wife's] name be withheld.

Further down...

"My wife's a hero," the woman's husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel 2 Action News in a brief statement.

Way to keep the confidentiality, dudes.
 
2013-01-05 10:35:33 AM  

CujoQuarrel: If you believe that someone breaking into your home (with a crowbar no less) is not threatening you are a moron.

She should have used a shotgun


Don't feel bad, the anti-gun folks are trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance of realizing if they had their way this lady would've been raped and/or murdered in front of her kids. They want to think if they make enough rules society will be perfect and that no grey areas exist.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:26 AM  

UsikFark: bikkurikun: So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?

You make it sound like an American with a gun is an officer of the law. They aren't. The trial and punishment, settlement, if you will, happens later when real officers of the law get involved.

What happened in the article may have been legal, but it wasn't a trial.


Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
 
2013-01-05 10:40:36 AM  

HighZoolander: Of course, if she'd had a real gun he wouldn't have survived 5 shots to the head/neck.


needed to be said... I'm a .45 acp 'fan'
 
2013-01-05 10:43:45 AM  

Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.


Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.

/ cue the "death to jaywalkers!" crowd
// b-b-but they're criminals! they don't deserve to live
 
2013-01-05 10:50:25 AM  
I had no idea that the AR-15 came in .38 cal.
 
2013-01-05 10:52:11 AM  

guises: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.

/ cue the "death to jaywalkers!" crowd
// b-b-but they're criminals! they don't deserve to live


Why are you so pro-rape? Is it because the body shuts down?
 
2013-01-05 10:54:27 AM  
I'm new here.  Is it appropriate at this point in the thread to to ask for BIE?  Thanks.
 
2013-01-05 11:01:10 AM  
I take it back, she was clearly camping
 
2013-01-05 11:03:54 AM  

guises: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.

/ cue the "death to jaywalkers!" crowd
// b-b-but they're criminals! they don't deserve to live


Have you been diagnosed with a mental disorder yet? If not, seek professional help.

j/k, I know you are a troll
 
2013-01-05 11:18:35 AM  

Another Government Employee: Uh... Clip? ..38's are usually revolvers.


Donning my cloak as Captain Pedantic...some revolvers can use clips. Moon clips are metal rings with evenly-spaced notches to accept cartridges for a revolver. They're an easy-use way to reload all of the chambers of a revolver at a time, and technically that she would have emptied her (moon) clip in shooting at this idiot.

But yeah, she probably wasn't using a clip. ;-)
 
2013-01-05 11:20:14 AM  

simon_bar_sinister: I had no idea that the AR-15 came in .38 cal.


Dunno about .38 special or mag, but it does come in 9mm.

guises: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.

/ cue the "death to jaywalkers!" crowd
// b-b-but they're criminals! they don't deserve to live


The use of a crowbar goes beyond simple trespassing.
Home invasion is defined by whether you break into an occupied house, not whether the crook admits to knowing it was occupied at the time.

/don't wanna get shot, don't break into other people's homes. It's a simple concept.
 
2013-01-05 11:30:22 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.


If she had one, she wouldn't have run out of ammunition while the guy was still moving.

If he had a friend with him she might have ended up dead.
 
2013-01-05 11:31:32 AM  

simon_bar_sinister: I had no idea that the AR-15 came in .38 cal.


way south: Dunno about .38 special or mag, but it does come in 9mm.


.357 Mag/.38 Spc are difficult because of the wider rim of revolver cartridges. Not that it's impossible; there's a 1911-style pistol chambered in .357 Mag (CoonanInc.com), but that probably means the magazine for such an AR-15 upper would have to be specialized and much lower capacity than standard pistol calibers.
 
2013-01-05 11:35:57 AM  

Flakeloaf: vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,

If you live in a civilized country where people don't blow each other away for standing outside an outhouse, turn to 318.

If you live in a barren wasteland without a functioning shred of humanity, turn to 83.


Barren wasteland, barren wasteland!
 
2013-01-05 11:45:14 AM  

guises: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.


I think the prying the door open with a crowbar kinda gave it away...
 
2013-01-05 11:46:03 AM  

guises: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

Thank you, the article makes it sound like she ambushed him and shot him in the face.

No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he was a criminal. She was still wrong.



Did you read the same article as the rest of us?

his 37-year-old spouse[the mother], who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.

"He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver," said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman's narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.


Hiding in a closet, desperately trying to shield your two children behind you, keep them quiet, all while a dude with a crowbar smashes his way through your house before finally ripping open the last barrier between you and him?

Yeah, the article point blank tells you she used a complex lure to draw him into a classic crossfire ambush from an elevated position using her l33t skills learned from COLBLOPS,
 
2013-01-05 12:02:52 PM  

iq_in_binary: Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary:iq_in_binary: Loaded Six String: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

What about 9x18 makarov?

Is actually less powerful than .380 ACP, therefore under the threshold. I go by muzzle energy on average. Anything more than 350 or so ft/lbf is above the threshold for  semi-auto pistols.

Have you ever shot a Mak? I have. You should check your knowledge. It is definitely more powerful than a .380.

 
2013-01-05 12:08:53 PM  

iq_in_binary: Fail in Human Form: iq_in_binary: Are you talking about a .38 Special

Yes

.380 ACP is a bit of a different animal. It's about 35% more powerful than .38 Special for one, you may want to keep that in mind. Maybe if she had used .380 Auto instead of .38 Special he might have been turfed.


You know, I'm just going to have to call you out. You are wrong. Please stop spreading misinfo :)

.380 ACP - 95 gr (6 g) FMJ 980 ft/s (300 m/s) 203 ft·lbf (275 J)
.38 Special - 158 gr (10 g) LRN 770 ft/s (230 m/s) 208 ft·lbf (282 J)
 
2013-01-05 12:16:19 PM  

iq_in_binary: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So she calls hubby at work, says there's a black man ringing the doorbell and he tells her to grab the kids and the gun and hide while he calls 911.

Is there ANYONE reading this who advises their wife this way?

I got no problem with burglars getting shot, I'm just not convinced that's what happened here. At least, I'm not sure enough to laud this lady as a hero. The first thing I'd do is verify the husband's location when this went down but it sounds like the sheriff is comfortable with the story he's got now.

I'm pretty sure if some weird guy came knocking and made it clear he's going to keep doing so until someone answered my girlfriend would call me up to ask me if I knew anything about it too. And she's been on the mat with me to learn things like a guillotine and a scissor kick to arm bar combo.

Sometimes the first thought that hits your head is "Is this guy here to unplug a toilet?" and you try to figure that out. Her reaction was one of "let's figure this out," not one of "what's the best way to kill this guy and get away with it."

We're social animals. Our mates our often our closest social contacts and calendars, when unscheduled or unexpected social events come knocking, it's a pretty damn common response to check with our closest social peers to try and figure out how to navigate the situation.


"Some weird guy", huh?

I notice neither you nor anyone else has answered the question.
 
2013-01-05 12:39:35 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iq_in_binary: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So she calls hubby at work, says there's a black man ringing the doorbell and he tells her to grab the kids and the gun and hide while he calls 911.

Is there ANYONE reading this who advises their wife this way?

I got no problem with burglars getting shot, I'm just not convinced that's what happened here. At least, I'm not sure enough to laud this lady as a hero. The first thing I'd do is verify the husband's location when this went down but it sounds like the sheriff is comfortable with the story he's got now.

I'm pretty sure if some weird guy came knocking and made it clear he's going to keep doing so until someone answered my girlfriend would call me up to ask me if I knew anything about it too. And she's been on the mat with me to learn things like a guillotine and a scissor kick to arm bar combo.

Sometimes the first thought that hits your head is "Is this guy here to unplug a toilet?" and you try to figure that out. Her reaction was one of "let's figure this out," not one of "what's the best way to kill this guy and get away with it."

We're social animals. Our mates our often our closest social contacts and calendars, when unscheduled or unexpected social events come knocking, it's a pretty damn common response to check with our closest social peers to try and figure out how to navigate the situation.

"Some weird guy", huh?

I notice neither you nor anyone else has answered the question.


woah! You are completely right... I cant believe I didn't see this before! This shooting has everything to do with the race of the burglar and nothing to do with criminal behavior of any kind. Thanks you!
 
2013-01-05 12:40:52 PM  
I agree with others who think this sounds pretty fishy.

Most people would have just answered the door. She called for help before he even broke in. It sounds like she knew she might be dealing with someone dangerous.

Also, he had lots of opportunities to figure out she was home. Unless she had a camera, she must have peeked out a window to see who was at the door, and he could have seen that. She shouted to her kids not to open the door, and he could have heard that - or the kids (also, it suggests that 'don't open the door' isn't a standard household policy). Plus, for someone who theoretically was trying to burgle a house they knew was empty, he sure found her hiding upstairs pretty fast, since he did it before help arrived.

I suppose it's possible that she's somewhat paranoid, the burglar was very incautious, speedy, and thorough, and the cops took forever to arrive to an active home invasion. However, I think it's much more likely that she knew who he was, and he wasn't there to burgle the house.
 
2013-01-05 12:47:38 PM  

glennizen: iq_in_binary: Fail in Human Form: iq_in_binary: Are you talking about a .38 Special

Yes

.380 ACP is a bit of a different animal. It's about 35% more powerful than .38 Special for one, you may want to keep that in mind. Maybe if she had used .380 Auto instead of .38 Special he might have been turfed.

You know, I'm just going to have to call you out. You are wrong. Please stop spreading misinfo :)

.380 ACP - 95 gr (6 g) FMJ 980 ft/s (300 m/s) 203 ft·lbf (275 J)
.38 Special - 158 gr (10 g) LRN 770 ft/s (230 m/s) 208 ft·lbf (282 J)


Good +P 38s will get you up over 300 ft/lbs
 
2013-01-05 12:49:55 PM  

Mitrovarr: I agree with others who think this sounds pretty fishy.

Most people would have just answered the door. She called for help before he even broke in. It sounds like she knew she might be dealing with someone dangerous.

Also, he had lots of opportunities to figure out she was home. Unless she had a camera, she must have peeked out a window to see who was at the door, and he could have seen that. She shouted to her kids not to open the door, and he could have heard that - or the kids (also, it suggests that 'don't open the door' isn't a standard household policy). Plus, for someone who theoretically was trying to burgle a house they knew was empty, he sure found her hiding upstairs pretty fast, since he did it before help arrived.

I suppose it's possible that she's somewhat paranoid, the burglar was very incautious, speedy, and thorough, and the cops took forever to arrive to an active home invasion. However, I think it's much more likely that she knew who he was, and he wasn't there to burgle the house.


Perhaps where you live, most people would answer the door. In many other places people have been warned about exactly this type of scenario occurring. Why? Because it has become a popular tactic w/ career criminals (knock on doors - then burgle). They teach each other these advanced techniques in jail/prison. In L.A., the police and neighborhood watch associations have had community meetings and bulletins about this very thing. Answering the door by opening it is the last thing a woman w/ children should do. Many burglars/robbers will come through the door if they hear a woman or child answer it because they know they will be easily overpowered.
 
2013-01-05 12:54:01 PM  
I'm curious why you people keep going on about the 'penalty' for breaking into someone's home being death.

It isn't.

Death is just a potential consequence, the penalty is probably 1-5 years in prison.
 
2013-01-05 12:55:52 PM  

dforkus: glennizen: iq_in_binary: Fail in Human Form: iq_in_binary: Are you talking about a .38 Special

Yes

.380 ACP is a bit of a different animal. It's about 35% more powerful than .38 Special for one, you may want to keep that in mind. Maybe if she had used .380 Auto instead of .38 Special he might have been turfed.

You know, I'm just going to have to call you out. You are wrong. Please stop spreading misinfo :)

.380 ACP - 95 gr (6 g) FMJ 980 ft/s (300 m/s) 203 ft·lbf (275 J)
.38 Special - 158 gr (10 g) LRN 770 ft/s (230 m/s) 208 ft·lbf (282 J)

Good +P 38s will get you up over 300 ft/lbs


Yes, I know. I was giving data for standard loads.
 
2013-01-05 12:58:44 PM  

Mitrovarr: I agree with others who think this sounds pretty fishy.

Most people would have just answered the door. She called for help before he even broke in. It sounds like she knew she might be dealing with someone dangerous.
...
However, I think it's much more likely that she knew who he was, and he wasn't there to burgle the house.


Seriously, were you there? Sometimes body language can tell a person a lot about a situation. Whatever the case she was right.

Also, he had lots of opportunities to figure out she was home.

Because criminals are uniformly brilliant, logical, rational, and kind. They will always stop when they realize a home is occupied right? Home Invasion? Silly me making up words that don't exist

The surgeon general has determined there is a correlation between breaking down some else door with a crowbar and getting shot in the face, adjust your behavior accordingly.
 
2013-01-05 01:07:32 PM  

Maul555: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iq_in_binary: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So she calls hubby at work, says there's a black man ringing the doorbell and he tells her to grab the kids and the gun and hide while he calls 911.

Is there ANYONE reading this who advises their wife this way?

I got no problem with burglars getting shot, I'm just not convinced that's what happened here. At least, I'm not sure enough to laud this lady as a hero. The first thing I'd do is verify the husband's location when this went down but it sounds like the sheriff is comfortable with the story he's got now.

I'm pretty sure if some weird guy came knocking and made it clear he's going to keep doing so until someone answered my girlfriend would call me up to ask me if I knew anything about it too. And she's been on the mat with me to learn things like a guillotine and a scissor kick to arm bar combo.

Sometimes the first thought that hits your head is "Is this guy here to unplug a toilet?" and you try to figure that out. Her reaction was one of "let's figure this out," not one of "what's the best way to kill this guy and get away with it."

We're social animals. Our mates our often our closest social contacts and calendars, when unscheduled or unexpected social events come knocking, it's a pretty damn common response to check with our closest social peers to try and figure out how to navigate the situation.

"Some weird guy", huh?

I notice neither you nor anyone else has answered the question.

woah! You are completely right... I cant believe I didn't see this before! This shooting has everything to do with the race of the burglar and nothing to do with criminal behavior of any kind. Thanks you!


Still didn't answer the question.
 
2013-01-05 01:08:21 PM  

glennizen: Because it has become a popular tactic w/ career criminals (knock on doors - then burgle). They teach each other these advanced techniques in jail/prison. In L.A., the police and neighborhood watch associations have had community meetings and bulletins about this very thing. Answering the door by opening it is the last thing a woman w/ children should do.


This is the opposite of true and dangerous advice. A burglar is looking for an easy house to rob: they don't want a woman with children, they want an empty house. If you answer the door, the standard tactic is to pretend you're an insurance salesman or some other BS then go on to the next house when they ask you to leave. Example:

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/07/glassboro_polic e _the_stranger.html

Not answering the door creates dangerous situations. At that point they've already broken in, and most likely if you surprise them they'll run away. They might not however: you've caught the burglar by surprise and it's hard to predict exactly what people will do when they're panicking. Also in this situation the two of you are already inside - out of the public eye.

If someone knocks on the door you should answer it. If you have reason to be suspicious, or if you're just paranoid, then you don't have to open the door, but the most important thing is to make sure that they know someone is home.
 
2013-01-05 01:20:43 PM  

guises: glennizen: Because it has become a popular tactic w/ career criminals (knock on doors - then burgle). They teach each other these advanced techniques in jail/prison. In L.A., the police and neighborhood watch associations have had community meetings and bulletins about this very thing. Answering the door by opening it is the last thing a woman w/ children should do.

This is the opposite of true and dangerous advice. A burglar is looking for an easy house to rob: they don't want a woman with children, they want an empty house. If you answer the door, the standard tactic is to pretend you're an insurance salesman or some other BS then go on to the next house when they ask you to leave. Example:

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/07/glassboro_polic e _the_stranger.html

Not answering the door creates dangerous situations. At that point they've already broken in, and most likely if you surprise them they'll run away. They might not however: you've caught the burglar by surprise and it's hard to predict exactly what people will do when they're panicking. Also in this situation the two of you are already inside - out of the public eye.

If someone knocks on the door you should answer it. If you have reason to be suspicious, or if you're just paranoid, then you don't have to open the door, but the most important thing is to make sure that they know someone is home.


You are right - IF their intent is to burgle. But this has morphed into knock and invade in California. But frankly, I don't live in those areas targeted in this way and I haven't attended any of the meetings or read any of the bulletins. So I don't know what the authorities are advising. Except for the U.K. - I have read that the authorities there command subjects to allow the robbers to have their way and to submit meekly to their demands.
 
2013-01-05 01:21:14 PM  

guises: glennizen: Because it has become a popular tactic w/ career criminals (knock on doors - then burgle). They teach each other these advanced techniques in jail/prison. In L.A., the police and neighborhood watch associations have had community meetings and bulletins about this very thing. Answering the door by opening it is the last thing a woman w/ children should do.

This is the opposite of true and dangerous advice. A burglar is looking for an easy house to rob: they don't want a woman with children, they want an empty house. If you answer the door, the standard tactic is to pretend you're an insurance salesman or some other BS then go on to the next house when they ask you to leave. Example:

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/07/glassboro_polic e _the_stranger.html

Not answering the door creates dangerous situations. At that point they've already broken in, and most likely if you surprise them they'll run away. They might not however: you've caught the burglar by surprise and it's hard to predict exactly what people will do when they're panicking. Also in this situation the two of you are already inside - out of the public eye.

If someone knocks on the door you should answer it. If you have reason to be suspicious, or if you're just paranoid, then you don't have to open the door, but the most important thing is to make sure that they know someone is home.



1) If someone knocks on your door it might not be a burglar. It might be the religious whackos and not answering is a perfectly viable response
2) The last attempted burglary at my house happed with 2 cars in the driveway, lights on all over the house and my friend watching TV with the sound on about 15 feet from the patio door that the burglar was trying to pry open. They had to know someone was home.
3) I've had a friend get assaulted in her home when she opened the door to a knock and he just pushed past her
 
2013-01-05 01:21:48 PM  

guises: glennizen: Because it has become a popular tactic w/ career criminals (knock on doors - then burgle). They teach each other these advanced techniques in jail/prison. In L.A., the police and neighborhood watch associations have had community meetings and bulletins about this very thing. Answering the door by opening it is the last thing a woman w/ children should do.

This is the opposite of true and dangerous advice. A burglar is looking for an easy house to rob: they don't want a woman with children, they want an empty house. If you answer the door, the standard tactic is to pretend you're an insurance salesman or some other BS then go on to the next house when they ask you to leave. Example:

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/07/glassboro_polic e _the_stranger.html

Not answering the door creates dangerous situations. At that point they've already broken in, and most likely if you surprise them they'll run away. They might not however: you've caught the burglar by surprise and it's hard to predict exactly what people will do when they're panicking. Also in this situation the two of you are already inside - out of the public eye.

If someone knocks on the door you should answer it. If you have reason to be suspicious, or if you're just paranoid, then you don't have to open the door, but the most important thing is to make sure that they know someone is home.


No way Jose. I've fallen for the old candy gram trick before.
 
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