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2013-01-05 03:23:53 AM

Lsherm: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.

Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.

Found this nice image about 9mm cartridges.  I imagine you'd use the .357 Maximum to shoot through schools (Johnny Dangerously reference, not Newtown).

[img39.imageshack.us image 800x600]


Heh, yeah, that cartridge lasted all of a year. Ruger made 400 Blackhawks before they found out about the flame cutting and discontinued it. The Auto Mag (AMP) is something that only a reloader and gunsmith can even attempt to make a gun for (I don't even think you can find chamber reamers for it any more), and involves necking down a .44 Magnum case down to .357, and 9x29 Winchester Magnum I'm pretty sure is a myth, basically half of those cartridges are either mythological or so rare that they might as well be.
 
2013-01-05 03:27:00 AM

Loaded Six String: While I agree with the sentiment that it is at best unwise not to learn the local language when traveling to a foreign country,


Oh for fark's sake, I can't learn the language of every country I'll visit or have visited.  Hell, I lived in China for five years and barely learned Mandarin, much less Cantonese.  I didn't learn Thai, Japanese, Vietnamese, Hindi, or Tagalog, either.  I'm not obnoxious about it - I hired translators/guides when I was going "off site" for areas that weren't tourist friendly, but if you make learning the language part of a vacation no one would travel anywhere.  It takes too much time.

I don't expect people to speak English when I go somewhere and English isn't the language.  I didn't expect anyone in Germany to speak English, but a surprising number of people did, and moreover, those that did would help me out if I ran into someone that didn't.  Quebec was the only place where people who could speak English took pride in pretending that they didn't.  It's farking bizarre.  I've run into a few Chinese tourists on the DC metro and even though I'm still the worst Mandarin speaker in the world, I'll try to help them if they're trying to figure out the system.  They barely speak English, I barely speak Mandarin, but it's just being polite, you know?

My favorite language exchange happened on a cruise at a port stop in Portugal.  My wife and I were extremely hungover and we stumbled into a restaurant on the port at 9am and the two guys there didn't speak any English.  We didn't speak Portugese.  However, through a very simple process of pointing at the menu, we managed to get breakfast.  The whole time both guys were jabbering in a language I didn't understand punctuated with "John Wayne" and a nod of their heads towards me sitting at a table.  As far as I know to this day beans, bread, and barely cooked eggs are a "John Wayne" breakfast.  My wife fared worse - she was "boobs" - or so I think.  They were the only recognizable words we understood the entire time we were there.
 
2013-01-05 03:27:26 AM

Rufus Lee King: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

I hear you. Instead of shooting the poor guy, she should have invited him to stay for dinner, where they could talk about the wonder of diversity in our nation.


Y'see, gun owners wouldn't have such a bad rep if a good lot weren't so unabashedly racist.
 
2013-01-05 03:28:37 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.


Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.
 
2013-01-05 03:29:30 AM

doglover: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.

Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.

Depends on just how pedantic one wants to get, 9mm is so commonly considered synonymous with 9x19mm or 9mm Parabellum or 9x19mm Parabellum or just plain 9x19 as to be essentially interchangeable with and referring directly to that cartridge.

That and diameter alone has very little to do with a cartridge's power. .357 Magnum is technically "9mm" as well, but nobody in their right mind would try and hold it in the same category as .380 ACP or eve 9x19mm.

Aren't the bullets used in the US' primary rifles about the same diameter as a .22? I thought they just basically little slugs with a lot more get up and go than the 22 Rimfires you learn to shoot with as a kid.


.223 Remington/5.56 NATO uses a slug that is pretty much exactly the same diameter. It's also twice the weight and moving twice as fast. .22 LR at the muzzle MIGHT get you 200 ft/lbf, 5.56 NATO will get you 1300 ft/lbf or so.

BIG difference. And 1300 ft/lbf is pretty wimpy as far as rifle cartridges go.
 
2013-01-05 03:30:19 AM

Sherman Potter: I'm going with poor.


Would it help if I said yes? I'm sure it would be a relief to know that I'm no threat to your manhood. That way you can sleep tonight. With the hallway light on.
 
2013-01-05 03:30:49 AM

Flakeloaf: iq_in_binary: He didn't walk inside. He tore down the door with a crowbar. That was threatening behavior and justification alone to shoot him.

Article doesn't say he tore the door down. He could've smashed a little window and turned the cylinder, or deformed the door frame and pushed the door open, or smashed the whole thing to bits like the koolaid man. I'm just going by what I know, which ain't much.

Anyway, people from different cultures are going to believe different things. The internet lets these people talk to each other to learn their similarities and differences, which is cool. The weird part is how we both feel sorry for the other's civilization.


Well, we're glad that you have declared yourself to be in favor of thievery.
 
2013-01-05 03:31:01 AM

jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.


You're ADORABLE.
 
2013-01-05 03:32:52 AM

jafiwam: This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.


Stupid?

Or full of sh*t?
 
2013-01-05 03:34:13 AM
If you break into someone's house you deserve whatever you get. No one should ever break into a home expecting to leave alive under any circumstances. I don't care what the reason for the break-in is. How can a homeowner possibly be expected to discern the intent of a (possibly armed) stranger who has forced the door open?

I do not own or plan on owning any guns, but I fully support the rights of others to do so.
 
2013-01-05 03:35:04 AM
iq_in_binary:
Heh, yeah, that cartridge lasted all of a year. Ruger made 400 Blackhawks before they found out about the flame cutting and discontinued it. The Auto Mag (AMP) is something that only a reloader and gunsmith can even attempt to make a gun for (I don't even think you can find chamber reamers for it any more), and involves necking down a .44 Magnum case down to .357, and 9x29 Winchester Magnum I'm pretty sure is a myth, basically half of those cartridges are either mythological or so rare that they might as well be.

I didn't mean for it to be anything but a reference for relative cartridge sizes.  It's not my image, I just found it.

What the hell did the revolver that shot the Maximum look like?  The cylinder must have been pretty long.
 
2013-01-05 03:35:57 AM

jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.


Dude, you're making Glenn Beck look sane. Stop it.
 
2013-01-05 03:37:48 AM

iq_in_binary: Dude, you're making Glenn Beck look sane. Stop it.


Sometimes hanging in on a thread ends up being worth it. This is one of those times.
 
2013-01-05 03:38:36 AM

Lsherm: Loaded Six String: While I agree with the sentiment that it is at best unwise not to learn the local language when traveling to a foreign country,

Oh for fark's sake, I can't learn the language of every country I'll visit or have visited.  Hell, I lived in China for five years and barely learned Mandarin, much less Cantonese.  I didn't learn Thai, Japanese, Vietnamese, Hindi, or Tagalog, either.  I'm not obnoxious about it - I hired translators/guides when I was going "off site" for areas that weren't tourist friendly, but if you make learning the language part of a vacation no one would travel anywhere.  It takes too much time.

I don't expect people to speak English when I go somewhere and English isn't the language.  I didn't expect anyone in Germany to speak English, but a surprising number of people did, and moreover, those that did would help me out if I ran into someone that didn't.  Quebec was the only place where people who could speak English took pride in pretending that they didn't.  It's farking bizarre.  I've run into a few Chinese tourists on the DC metro and even though I'm still the worst Mandarin speaker in the world, I'll try to help them if they're trying to figure out the system.  They barely speak English, I barely speak Mandarin, but it's just being polite, you know?

My favorite language exchange happened on a cruise at a port stop in Portugal.  My wife and I were extremely hungover and we stumbled into a restaurant on the port at 9am and the two guys there didn't speak any English.  We didn't speak Portugese.  However, through a very simple process of pointing at the menu, we managed to get breakfast.  The whole time both guys were jabbering in a language I didn't understand punctuated with "John Wayne" and a nod of their heads towards me sitting at a table.  As far as I know to this day beans, bread, and barely cooked eggs are a "John Wayne" breakfast.  My wife fared worse - she was "boobs" - or so I think.  They were the only recognizable ...


Perhaps I should have clarified, key words and phrases. The traveler extends the hand of good will by attempting not to be left helpless by a language barrier. The locals grasp that hand by exercising patience and an attempt at understanding someone foreign to their land and culture, not by snearing down their nose at them. Hope that clears up my opinion on the matter.
 
2013-01-05 03:38:59 AM

bikkurikun: So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?


You are confusing judicial punishment, which is implemented after the fact, with personal defense by a crime victim. The two concepts, while frequently confused by dishonest and irrational civilian disarmament advocates, are not in any way logically equivalent.
 
2013-01-05 03:41:47 AM

Lsherm: iq_in_binary:
Heh, yeah, that cartridge lasted all of a year. Ruger made 400 Blackhawks before they found out about the flame cutting and discontinued it. The Auto Mag (AMP) is something that only a reloader and gunsmith can even attempt to make a gun for (I don't even think you can find chamber reamers for it any more), and involves necking down a .44 Magnum case down to .357, and 9x29 Winchester Magnum I'm pretty sure is a myth, basically half of those cartridges are either mythological or so rare that they might as well be.

I didn't mean for it to be anything but a reference for relative cartridge sizes.  It's not my image, I just found it.

What the hell did the revolver that shot the Maximum look like?  The cylinder must have been pretty long.


world.guns.ru
.357 Magnum
picturearchive.gunauction.com
.357 Maximum

You can shoot pretty much the whole rimmed .38/.357 Family through that puppy. .357 Max, .357 Mag, .38 Spl, .38 Long Colt, .38 Short. Pretty nifty.
 
2013-01-05 03:58:50 AM
I dunno. I've had five of these in me and didn't feel disoriented at all...

www.neonsign.com
 
2013-01-05 04:08:58 AM

Flakeloaf: Loaded Six String: So you would accept him being shot if he was threatening? Violating someone's home is not threatening?

Yes, in my opinion he could be of higher moral character by not trying to take from other people. That you would place your trust in a stranger who forced their way into your home not to harm you seems very naive to me.

Yes. Not necessarily.

And being unwilling to trust somebody and actually perceiving a real threat of harm from someone who is, at least according to the article, merely standing there holding my stuff, is still quite a leap. Being a thief ain't a hangin crime.


If you surprise an intruder and he is holding your big-screen in both arms, in most US states you could not use deadly force. However, if you cannot tell what the motive is, then even LEO are going to tell you to make the conservative decision to preserve your own safety.

In states I am familiar with, an aggressor would have to demonstrate means of harming you (weapons, size differential, etc), motive to harm you, and opportunity to harm you. You can't just shoot someone for messing with your car, for instance. You can't shoot someone running away with your TV. You can't shoot someone threatening to stab you from the other side of a fence. You can't run someone down to shoot him unless there is risk of imminent harm-- i.e. to someone he is chasing.

If you are hiding in a closet with your two kids trying to avoid having to shoot someone and an intruder opens the door, he has demonstrated opportunity. If he is larger than you, he has demonstrated means of harming you-- plus he might still have his crowbar. Who knows what the motive is unless he is obviously jingling with silverware and stolen goods? From the perspective of the mother in the closet, it would not be unreasonable for her to assume that he was searching the house for her and her kids. That's fear for you.

Getting shot in the face *is* extreme for stealing. But she didn't know if that was his motive when he opened the closet door. And he probably didn't have the courtesy to announce it beforehand.
 
2013-01-05 04:09:34 AM

jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.


Seriously? I saw that floating around and thought it was a fake.

/Had to take a break from the thread, girlfriend woke up and wanted to watch "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
//Strange movie
 
2013-01-05 04:16:43 AM

Fail in Human Form: jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.

Seriously? I saw that floating around and thought it was a fake.

/Had to take a break from the thread, girlfriend woke up and wanted to watch "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
//Strange movie


It's fake.

And while there are legitimate cases of this sentiment being preached to citizens by officials, there is no way in bug farking hell the Brady Campaign would go anywhere near something like that.
 
2013-01-05 04:16:52 AM

Fail in Human Form: Seriously? I saw that floating around and thought it was a fake.


It is.
 
2013-01-05 04:26:19 AM

illannoyin: I dunno. I've had five of these in me and didn't feel disoriented at all...

[www.neonsign.com image 500x414]


Oh hell, you can drink 12 of those in 4 hours and still walk without a problem.  Currs laght is barely beer.
 
2013-01-05 04:31:22 AM

Gyrfalcon: vudukungfu: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

dtfa;
but
I'm sleeping one night in the middle of farking nowhere. which is where I live, And I wake up having to pee, being as I like Beer and I'm taking a pill that makes me pee. and I get up at 0:30 AM and hustle to the Bath room. And I'm in there and I have at my disposal a few ballistic toys, the kind you have if you're in an outhouse an don't want sneaked up upon and I hear someone approach and breach my threshold.
/Click *like* and see what happens next,

Lessee...

Since you keep guns in your bathroom, you're drinking beer at 3 a.m. and stumbling to the outhouse in the middle of the night, I'm guessing that this story ends with you hearing the cat fighting a raccoon, you grabbing the nearest firearm (probably a sawed-off 30-30), lunging for the door and forgetting you have your pants around your ankles, falling facedown into the mud at the entrance of the outhouse with the shotgun between your knees, the blast blows off your left big toe, and the recoil clips your balls, leaving you swearing and limping back to the house bleeding and with a burn it's going to be tough to explain to your wife.

But the raccoon gets away.


A 30-30 is not a shotgun.
 
2013-01-05 04:36:39 AM

Flakeloaf: Loaded Six String: So you would accept him being shot if he was threatening? Violating someone's home is not threatening?

Yes, in my opinion he could be of higher moral character by not trying to take from other people. That you would place your trust in a stranger who forced their way into your home not to harm you seems very naive to me.

Yes. Not necessarily.

And being unwilling to trust somebody and actually perceiving a real threat of harm from someone who is, at least according to the article, merely standing there holding my stuff, is still quite a leap. Being a thief ain't a hangin crime.


Tell that to all the horse thieves who have been hung.
 
2013-01-05 04:40:09 AM

redhook: Flakeloaf: Loaded Six String: So you would accept him being shot if he was threatening? Violating someone's home is not threatening?

Yes, in my opinion he could be of higher moral character by not trying to take from other people. That you would place your trust in a stranger who forced their way into your home not to harm you seems very naive to me.

Yes. Not necessarily.

And being unwilling to trust somebody and actually perceiving a real threat of harm from someone who is, at least according to the article, merely standing there holding my stuff, is still quite a leap. Being a thief ain't a hangin crime.

Tell that to all the horse thieves who have been hung.


Apparently, in civilized societies criminals are allowed to invade homes without fear of injury. Evidently, civilized societies recognize home invasion as a legally protected right.
 
2013-01-05 04:42:45 AM

redhook: Tell that to all the horse thieves who have been hung.


Uhhhhh... did you actually check or something?
 
2013-01-05 04:43:26 AM
"He asked that her name be withheld"
""My wife's a hero," the woman's husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel"....

Has this been covered?

/2+2
 
2013-01-05 04:48:55 AM

jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.


I used to just dislike the Brady Bunch.  Now I loath them.
 
2013-01-05 04:50:43 AM

Flakeloaf: Gyrfalcon: But the simple fact is that breaking into someone's house, no matter what YOU may think is right or wrong, gives the homeowner a rebuttable presumption that the intruder is there to do him harm, and an affirmative right to shoot first and ask questions later.

If the presumption is rebuttable, the right to kill cannot be absolute.


This shooting was 100% legal per Georgia law. If the perp didn't want to get shot he shouldn't have been committing a felony.

Link

(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other´s imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
 
2013-01-05 04:51:46 AM

OgreMagi: jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.

I used to just dislike the Brady Bunch.  Now I loath them.


It's fake. For all their faults, there is no way in hell the Brady Campaign would go anywhere near something like that.
 
2013-01-05 04:52:31 AM

redhook: Flakeloaf: Loaded Six String: So you would accept him being shot if he was threatening? Violating someone's home is not threatening?

Yes, in my opinion he could be of higher moral character by not trying to take from other people. That you would place your trust in a stranger who forced their way into your home not to harm you seems very naive to me.

Yes. Not necessarily.

And being unwilling to trust somebody and actually perceiving a real threat of harm from someone who is, at least according to the article, merely standing there holding my stuff, is still quite a leap. Being a thief ain't a hangin crime.

Tell that to all the horse thieves who have been hung.


Considering that at that time in the history of the wild west, a family horse could well be their livelihood and survival.  It's pretty damn hard to plow a field without one (possible, but immensely difficult).  That puts a whole different perspective on the level of the crime and the punishment.
 
2013-01-05 05:30:04 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.


Ruger sp101
Use 158 grain plus p hydro shock for best results
 
2013-01-05 05:32:45 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: redhook: Tell that to all the horse thieves who have been hung.

Uhhhhh... did you actually check or something?


This is common knowledge. Horse thievery was one of the worst things a criminal could do in the old west.

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2013-01-05 05:37:29 AM
So she calls hubby at work, says there's a black man ringing the doorbell and he tells her to grab the kids and the gun and hide while he calls 911.

Is there ANYONE reading this who advises their wife this way?

I got no problem with burglars getting shot, I'm just not convinced that's what happened here. At least, I'm not sure enough to laud this lady as a hero. The first thing I'd do is verify the husband's location when this went down but it sounds like the sheriff is comfortable with the story he's got now.
 
2013-01-05 06:00:26 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So she calls hubby at work, says there's a black man ringing the doorbell and he tells her to grab the kids and the gun and hide while he calls 911.

Is there ANYONE reading this who advises their wife this way?

I got no problem with burglars getting shot, I'm just not convinced that's what happened here. At least, I'm not sure enough to laud this lady as a hero. The first thing I'd do is verify the husband's location when this went down but it sounds like the sheriff is comfortable with the story he's got now.


I'm pretty sure if some weird guy came knocking and made it clear he's going to keep doing so until someone answered my girlfriend would call me up to ask me if I knew anything about it too. And she's been on the mat with me to learn things like a guillotine and a scissor kick to arm bar combo.

Sometimes the first thought that hits your head is "Is this guy here to unplug a toilet?" and you try to figure that out. Her reaction was one of "let's figure this out," not one of "what's the best way to kill this guy and get away with it."

We're social animals. Our mates our often our closest social contacts and calendars, when unscheduled or unexpected social events come knocking, it's a pretty damn common response to check with our closest social peers to try and figure out how to navigate the situation.
 
2013-01-05 06:11:06 AM

Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.


That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

She emptied her entire clip and managed to hit the guy 5/6 times. And he was still a threat. He was able to operate a vehicle. He's still alive. It took him being unable to count to realize she was out of bullets.

If he'd had a friend with him, if she'd been a worse a shot, if he'd been trying to hurt her, she'd probably be dead. An AR-15 would have been plenty to protect her family from 2-3 criminals. Why would you want to limit a law abiding citizen's ability to protect her children?
 
2013-01-05 06:48:33 AM

jafiwam: hurp durp


Ah, ye olde "Snopes said it's real! I won't bother linking it, though" trick. Damned if I haven't been suckered by this BS before.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/bradyad.asp
 
2013-01-05 06:50:34 AM

Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.


Next time, there might be 3,4,5 home invaders. farkin A we're going to something with capacity. I'm surprised this was greenlit in this Libtard echo chamber.
 
2013-01-05 06:59:06 AM
Also: When you've got five Bulleits in you, you may feel a bit disoriented.
 
2013-01-05 07:06:09 AM
Aye, Laddy..

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2013-01-05 07:11:55 AM
It takes cops a while to get around in Ga. We have a lot of traffic and it takes up to 20 minutes for the cops to get there. So they encourage us to kill the home invaders for them. That poor fool would have been in much worse shape if the cops caught him first, they know how to kill in fewer shots and would likely have unloaded on him.

Some posters here are saying people should not defend themselves, you are wrong and a bad person for suggesting it.
 
2013-01-05 07:45:45 AM
Everyone that comes to the door or steals isn't a killer.. that much is true. Honestly, having never fired a gun at another person before, if someone broke in with a crowbar, I'd probably fire at them without asking questions. I'm sure I'd be panicking, nervous, and I have doubts about my ability to hit them in that state. I'd also be afraid (living in an apartment) that they'd close the distance and just club me to death before I got a shot off. In the moment, I can't imagine you have much time to consider these things. It's only 20 feet or so from my door to my bed.

Having friends that have been raped as well, I can't imagine them wanting to "play it safe" or ask them first. Movies have these home invasions where the owners are in a master bedroom somewhere, and it takes several minutes for an invader to get there. I think some of my female friends that have been victims of sexual violence have situations more similar to me... a few feet from the door to the bed.

It may seem unjust to some that a person that possibly had no intent to kill was shot like that, but I think for a lot of us that aren't soldiers/cops... it would be a difficult situation to be cool and rational in.
 
2013-01-05 07:55:18 AM

Flakeloaf: hundreddollarman: Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.

0/10.

No. Totally serious. Someone standing in your livingroom taking your things has not yet earned death.

You see, when you live in a place where people aren't afraid of shadows, you can have things like rights and a functioning legal system and still have the right to protect yourself. A person who hasn't threatened anyone with violence can't be shot on sight no matter what they're doing. That's what it's like and it's kinda neat.


Wrong. My possessions earned with blood, sweat and tears are much more valuable than the life of any thief that aims to steal them.
 
2013-01-05 07:57:38 AM
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2013-01-05 08:00:31 AM

Harry Knutz: iq_in_binary: He pried open a door with a crowbar when the occupants of the house didn't open it. If that's not threatening behavior I don't know what is.

It's criminal behavior. Labeling it "threatening" is a matter of intent. And you cannot prove the man's intent was anything other than to commit theft.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh wait ... you're serious.
 
2013-01-05 08:21:58 AM

Harry Knutz: Boojum2k:

His behavior was threatening. It doesn't matter if his intent was to donate to Toys for Tots, he broke into her home.

His behavior was criminal. "Threatening" connotes intent to do personal harm. There is no evidence that's the case. The only evidence indicates B&E.

You would make a terrible attorney.

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2013-01-05 08:41:05 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Ruger sp101
Use 158 grain plus p hydro shock for best results


Speer makes a 135 grain +p load that is especially tuned for short barrels.

Of course with the 101 you can also use 357s.

Still even in non +p, even from a snubbie the 38 ha enough power to go through a skull. the perp should be thanking whatever god he believes in
 
2013-01-05 08:58:17 AM

iq_in_binary: OgreMagi: jafiwam: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.

Liar. Plenty of Farkers would like to do just that.

Plenty of Democrats would like to do just that.

You must be a democrat, sanctimonious garbage such as what you just spewed is their bread and butter.

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This, (yes, even according to Snopes, who has now been corrected) appeared on the Brady Campaign's Facebook page.

Posted by them.

They'd prefer rape over self defense if the self defense includes using a gun.

I used to just dislike the Brady Bunch.  Now I loath them.

It's fake. For all their faults, there is no way in hell the Brady Campaign would go anywhere near something like that.


I think they got trolled by /b/. That pict was in fact posted by the admin of their Facebook page to their facebook page. How that person got to the conclusion it should be there or not... dunno. But, they thought enough of it to get it up there without thinking "gee, this isn't what we say" in the process.

Snopes has covered it, and they have screen shots of it.

Link

Feel free to look yourself.

The point is.the results (it going bad for this woman, and many others) is EXACTLY what Fiendstien, Brady Farks, and the rest of the gun grabbers want. Lawful citizens only left with weapons that can only partially defend against one small-ish attacker (this guy was big). If there were two people there, she'd be absolutely screwed. (maybe literally)

The whole "you don't NEED a high capacity clip" (magazine you ignorant pile of monkey shiat) is a big falsehood by people that can't think beyond their own little myopic minds.

They shouldn't fear guns, they should fear criminals like this one breaking into their homes.
 
2013-01-05 09:15:53 AM

Lsherm: iq_in_binary: Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.


If you get hit square in the face with a .380 Auto you are likely dropping after the first round.  Sounds like he got lucky, or she got excited.

She could have missed just as easily with a 9mm.

In an interview with the local tv news, the GPD spokesperson said they knew he was hit in the face as there were teeth scattered on the floor of the room where the shooting occurred.  It sounds like the perp was definitely lucky to have survived.
 
2013-01-05 09:19:06 AM

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: Flakeloaf: Loaded Six String: So you would accept him being shot if he was threatening? Violating someone's home is not threatening?

Yes, in my opinion he could be of higher moral character by not trying to take from other people. That you would place your trust in a stranger who forced their way into your home not to harm you seems very naive to me.

Yes. Not necessarily.

And being unwilling to trust somebody and actually perceiving a real threat of harm from someone who is, at least according to the article, merely standing there holding my stuff, is still quite a leap. Being a thief ain't a hangin crime.

If you surprise an intruder and he is holding your big-screen in both arms, in most US states you could not use deadly force. However, if you cannot tell what the motive is, then even LEO are going to tell you to make the conservative decision to preserve your own safety.

In states I am familiar with, an aggressor would have to demonstrate means of harming you (weapons, size differential, etc), motive to harm you, and opportunity to harm you. You can't just shoot someone for messing with your car, for instance. You can't shoot someone running away with your TV. You can't shoot someone threatening to stab you from the other side of a fence. You can't run someone down to shoot him unless there is risk of imminent harm-- i.e. to someone he is chasing.

If you are hiding in a closet with your two kids trying to avoid having to shoot someone and an intruder opens the door, he has demonstrated opportunity. If he is larger than you, he has demonstrated means of harming you-- plus he might still have his crowbar. Who knows what the motive is unless he is obviously jingling with silverware and stolen goods? From the perspective of the mother in the closet, it would not be unreasonable for her to assume that he was searching the house for her and her kids. That's fear for you.

Getting shot in the face *is* extreme for stealing. But she didn't know if that was his moti ...


Not true... In Texas simple property theft is dependable with deadly force.

pulled from another article:
"Traditionally, if you felt your life was threatened, you could use deadly force to protect yourself, except if you could get away safely where nobody got hurt, then you were required to do that," Sandra Thompson, a professor at the University of Houston Law Center, told the newspaper. "Even if somebody is just stealing from your front yard, and they are not threatening anybody, (and) there's no threat of being hurt at all, you can kill them, if it's reasonably necessary protecting your property."



About a year or two ago, there was a guy who shot at someone that was just stealing a potted plant from the front of his house. I don't remember if he actually hit the thief or not, and It doesn't really matter. The cops gave him a pat on the back and said good job...

Thank God I live in Texas
 
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