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2013-01-05 02:18:12 AM

doglover: Flakeloaf: doglover: It is not a crime to kill an outlaw

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x367]

You're telling me you wouldn't shoot that? A guy in a hockey mask with a cricket bat? I'd shoot that guy and that would be my defense: "He broke into my house and attacked me with a cricket bat."

There's no law against shooting people who break into your house an attack you. There's probably not even a law against shooting people who aren't in your home and attack you with a cricket bat in most places.


That was a picture of a fairly well-known comic book, television and (to a lesser extent) film character Casey Jones. He is a vigilante half-villain who annoys protagonists by having a good legal compass but absolutely no sense of proportion, beating insensible a purse snatcher or a mass-murderer with equal vigour. I was comparing you to him.

theforvm.org

This is the Simpsons character McBain. He is a stiff, humourless parody of Arnold Schwarzenegger, and in this episode of the television program he tries to do standup comedy. The juxtaposition of this character with his environment is already humourous, and his need to explicitly point out when he has made a joke advances the absurdity. The caption on the picture is meant to place the scene at a specific time in the viewer's mind, and remind them of

oh fark it.
 
2013-01-05 02:18:45 AM
Flakeloaf:

You have deserved a piss yellow color and a troll or FUKing Stupid Tag!

Congrates!!!
 
2013-01-05 02:20:04 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Nice try, twerp.

/you still aren't getting them
//ever

Aren't you precious.

As a matter of fact, I am.

There are people in this country that will oppose you, no matter what. Know that.

There, there. Shhhh. I'll keep the hallway light on, you can go back to sleep. No monsters here.


Clearly you have fears of your own. That's okay, we're all in this boat together. Thankfully, you don't get to tell me how I am allowed to live any more than I get to tell you how you are allowed to live.

The difference between you and I is that I am willing to defend this arrangement.
/it's called freedom
 
2013-01-05 02:20:18 AM

Harry Knutz: iq_in_binary: Are you seriously this incapable of recognizing or being aware of societal norms and expectations?

The law doesn't care about societal norms. The law is the law. Was the shooting justified under the law? Yes. Was the criminal's intent to commit bodily harm to the home's occupants? If you claim to know the man's intent, you're full of it.


Actions speak louder than words. He broke into an occupied home. If he didn't intend to harm anyone it would stand to reason he would have waited until no one was home. Nobody gives a flying fark what his intentions were, nobody is psychic. When you take actions that can easily be perceived as intending others harm, like breaking into an occupied home, intent doesn't matter worth a damn, perception does. His victims have absolutely no moral duty to explain their actions to you when they were in reaction to a traumatic crime.
 
2013-01-05 02:21:20 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Canton: Clearly she knew how to handle the gun.

Six shots point blank and the guy drove away(ok, not far).


I didn't say her aim was perfect. The situation must have been a bit stressful. Someone did mention earlier that she should have aimed for the center of mass. And they're right. But it doesn't sound like there was much time to think in that situation, and if she'd never shot a dude before. So yeah, I'd say she handled the gun well.

/Also, she didn't shoot herself or her kids by accident, which is a huge plus.
 
2013-01-05 02:22:57 AM

Linkster: Flakeloaf:

You have deserved a piss yellow color and a troll or FUKing Stupid Tag!

Congrates!!!


tekstovi-pesama.com

Yay, grates!
 
2013-01-05 02:23:19 AM

Canton: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Canton: Clearly she knew how to handle the gun.

Six shots point blank and the guy drove away(ok, not far).

I didn't say her aim was perfect. The situation must have been a bit stressful. Someone did mention earlier that she should have aimed for the center of mass. And they're right. But it doesn't sound like there was much time to think in that situation, and if she'd never shot a dude before. So yeah, I'd say she handled the gun well.

/Also, she didn't shoot herself or her kids by accident, which is a huge plus.


No argument there.
 
2013-01-05 02:23:24 AM

Sherman Potter: The difference between you and I


Actually, it's the difference between you and me. And feel free to presume to speak for me anytime. That's your right under the 1st Amendment. It's the one right there before the 2nd. You know, the first one.
 
2013-01-05 02:24:47 AM

Flakeloaf: oh fark it.


It's not my fault you suck at jokes and dealing with heckling.

Maybe you should the Groundlings up for a few lessons.
 
2013-01-05 02:26:33 AM

Flakeloaf: IANAL and even I can find reasonable doubt here


No, you can find what you think is reasonable doubt, but what a court wouldn't consider to be reasonable doubt. I'm fairly sure breaking into an occupied house with a weapon counts whether or not you knew the house was occupied.

/liberal, pro gun control.
//absolutely no problems with this, though. Straightforward example of self-defense.
 
2013-01-05 02:28:18 AM

Harry Knutz: iq_in_binary: Are you seriously this incapable of recognizing or being aware of societal norms and expectations?

The law doesn't care about societal norms. The law is the law. Was the shooting justified under the law? Yes. Was the criminal's intent to commit bodily harm to the home's occupants? If you claim to know the man's intent, you're full of it.


That's the takeaway here. We can examine the presumption that simply being in a person's house means you're there to slaughter everyone and that you should be beaten, set on fire and pissed out with bullets. We can agree with it or we can call it odious and we can bat our opinions back and forth knowing full well we aren't convincing anyone because talking about things with people who don't believe what you do is fun. The law says breaking into someone's house in Georgia entitles anyone living inside to kill you to death, and that's pretty much exactly what this woman tried to do.
 
2013-01-05 02:29:23 AM

doglover: Flakeloaf: oh fark it.

It's not my fault you suck at jokes and dealing with heckling.

Maybe you should the Groundlings up for a few lessons.


Well shiat. I did blow that one didn't I?

Bedtime.
 
2013-01-05 02:31:27 AM
I think the only thing we've really gleaned so far from this thread is that Canada must be the most polite place on Earth. Except Quebec. I've heard some Quebecois can be down right nasty if you don't speak french in their presence.
 
2013-01-05 02:33:35 AM

iq_in_binary: Actions speak louder than words. He broke into an occupied home. If he didn't intend to harm anyone it would stand to reason he would have waited until no one was home. Nobody gives a flying fark what his intentions were, nobody is psychic. When you take actions that can easily be perceived as intending others harm, like breaking into an occupied home, intent doesn't matter worth a damn, perception does. His victims have absolutely no moral duty to explain their actions to you when they were in reaction to a traumatic crime.


If you were paying attention, I very clearly said that the woman's actions were justified under the law. She shot him precisely because she perceived a threat, so Castle Doctrine would be in effect. There is no dispute, here. We agree on this. (I did not address whether her actions were morally justifiable, but for the record, I believe they were.)

Where we disagree is motive. Was the man actually intending to commit her harm? You don't know that. I don't know that. In a court of law, when filing charges, you need evidence. It would be hard to charge this man with anything other than B&E. That's the entire point I've been making. For the purposes of deciding what to charge this guy with, absent evidence not apparent in the article, you can't prove anything other than his intent was to break open a door.
 
2013-01-05 02:34:46 AM

Harry Knutz: Boojum2k: Likely better than you, you'd defend this guy before a jury by arguing that he was not threatening. They'd probably not have finished laughing before finding him guilty. He broke into her home, with a crowbar.

Depends on the charges against him. No defense against B&E in this case. Would plead No Contest. But any charge that begins with "Intent" and includes "bodily harm" I'm pretty sure I could get dismissed on the fact that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE INTENDED TO DO ANYTHING BUT ROB THE JOINT.


Depends on how you read Georgia's castle doctrine statute:

A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to prevent or terminate such other´s unlawful entry into or attack upon a habitation; however, such person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:
(1) The entry is made or attempted in a violent and tumultuous manner and he or she reasonably believes that the entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the assault or offer of personal violence;
(2) That force is used against another person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using such force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred; or
(3) The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.


(1) and (2) clearly go together, but that "or" I bolded for (3) gives you an excuse to use deadly force to prevent the commission of a felony during a break-in.  So if he was grabbing more than $500 of stuff (per Georgia law) he was committing a felony.

You can't really count his damage to the door coming in as theft, but thankfully, Georgia also has felony property vandalism statutes as well.  So the minute he did more than $500 in damage and looked like he was going to do more, she's in the clear.
 
2013-01-05 02:38:38 AM

iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.


.38 ACP is 9mm.
 
2013-01-05 02:38:44 AM

Loaded Six String: I think the only thing we've really gleaned so far from this thread is that Canada must be the most polite place on Earth. Except Quebec. I've heard some Quebecois can be down right nasty if you don't speak french in their presence.


This is the place that arrested an old guy for assault after he had the audacity to hit a guy over the head with his cane. All the guy did was smash the old dude's front window and crawl through it. Entirely too long after the fact, he was acquitted. Even our Supremes get confused by the bizarre array of self-defense laws here and everyone agrees they need a total rewrite.
 
2013-01-05 02:40:10 AM
If you believe that someone breaking into your home (with a crowbar no less) is not threatening you are a moron.

She should have used a shotgun
 
2013-01-05 02:44:08 AM

UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.


Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.
 
2013-01-05 02:46:13 AM

Loaded Six String: I think the only thing we've really gleaned so far from this thread is that Canada must be the most polite place on Earth. Except Quebec. I've heard some Quebecois can be down right nasty if you don't speak french in their presence.


I've told this story before, but the last time I was in Quebec I was smoking a cigarette on the street and a woman came up to me and asked me a question.  When I stared at her blankly, she asked another question.  I don't speak a word of French, but I had a pocket dictionary full of phrases I could use while traveling.  After two minutes of staring at her and explaining in what I would call "pidgin French" that I didn't speak French, she made the universal symbol for "cigarette" using two fingers and miming a puff.  I gave her a smoke.  I shouldn't have, because the French word for cigarette is farkign cigarette.  Instead of just asking for what she wanted, she was running down every slang term she could think of and getting irritated that I didn't understand her.

After she finished smoking it in silence next to me, she said "Thank you" as she walked away.  I KNOW she spoke at least a little English.  They aren't that rude in France.  Actually, most people in France are really nice as long as you try.  Everyone in Quebec treats your inability to speak fluent French the same way a mother would treat a 10 year-old child who just shiat his pants.  They aren't just disappointed, they can't believe you've made it this far in life.
 
2013-01-05 02:47:22 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: The difference between you and I

Actually, it's the difference between you and me. And feel free to presume to speak for me anytime. That's your right under the 1st Amendment. It's the one right there before the 2nd. You know, the first one.


Yes, you've got me on that one. Feel free to pound your tiny little fists in outrage.

/like i said
//you aren't getting them
///ever
 
2013-01-05 02:48:11 AM
So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?
 
2013-01-05 02:48:47 AM
I'm not going to argue about her legal justification, as she clearly is in the clear. Her moral justification? It's up for debate. I think that since she hid in the damn attic, she did all that is required of her to be morally justified. We can't know the criminal's motives from TFA, but I don't think it's her responsibility to guess.
 
2013-01-05 02:49:30 AM

Flakeloaf: Also, why is he a home invader? He pounded on teh door long enough to reasonably think nobody was home, then went inside and started stealing things. So far I don't see anything that deserves getting shot in the face for.


...like stealing things? Good to know that if I'm ever your neighbor, you would feel entitled to my things if you knocked on my door long enough.
 
2013-01-05 02:50:14 AM

Sherman Potter: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: The difference between you and I

Actually, it's the difference between you and me. And feel free to presume to speak for me anytime. That's your right under the 1st Amendment. It's the one right there before the 2nd. You know, the first one.

Yes, you've got me on that one. Feel free to pound your tiny little fists in outrage.

/like i said
//you aren't getting them
///ever


/never said I wanted 'em
//you can have 'em
///wouldn't want to take away the only thing a man's got in life
 
2013-01-05 02:51:53 AM

iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.


Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.
 
2013-01-05 02:54:08 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: The difference between you and I

Actually, it's the difference between you and me. And feel free to presume to speak for me anytime. That's your right under the 1st Amendment. It's the one right there before the 2nd. You know, the first one.

Yes, you've got me on that one. Feel free to pound your tiny little fists in outrage.

/like i said
//you aren't getting them
///ever

/never said I wanted 'em
//you can have 'em
///wouldn't want to take away the only thing a man's got in life


Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?
 
2013-01-05 02:57:20 AM

bikkurikun: So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?


You make it sound like an American with a gun is an officer of the law. They aren't. The trial and punishment, settlement, if you will, happens later when real officers of the law get involved.

What happened in the article may have been legal, but it wasn't a trial.
 
HBK
2013-01-05 02:59:07 AM

bikkurikun: So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?


yep. Don't break into houses and you'll be fine. Otherwise... well it's your gamble.
 
2013-01-05 02:59:30 AM

bikkurikun: So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?


Yes. If you break into someone's home they can shoot you. They can kill you

Moral: Don't break into someone's home . It's your choice
 
2013-01-05 03:00:52 AM

UsikFark: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.

Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.


Depends on just how pedantic one wants to get, 9mm is so commonly considered synonymous with 9x19mm or 9mm Parabellum or 9x19mm Parabellum or just plain 9x19 as to be essentially interchangeable with and referring directly to that cartridge.

That and diameter alone has very little to do with a cartridge's power. .357 Magnum is technically "9mm" as well, but nobody in their right mind would try and hold it in the same category as .380 ACP or eve 9x19mm.
 
2013-01-05 03:01:02 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: The difference between you and I

Actually, it's the difference between you and me. And feel free to presume to speak for me anytime. That's your right under the 1st Amendment. It's the one right there before the 2nd. You know, the first one.

Yes, you've got me on that one. Feel free to pound your tiny little fists in outrage.

/like i said
//you aren't getting them
///ever

/never said I wanted 'em
//you can have 'em
///wouldn't want to take away the only thing a man's got in life


Actually, the only thing I have in life is a life in the software development industry. I have a lovely wife, and summer cabin and a boat on Lake Superior. You're not taking anything away from me. I suspect you're very young. Good luck to you.
 
2013-01-05 03:01:23 AM

UsikFark: bikkurikun: So, no only in the US is burglary is a crime punishable by death, but it is also all right for civilians to execute them without warning, and without any sort of trial?

You make it sound like an American with a gun is an officer of the law. They aren't. The trial and punishment, settlement, if you will, happens later when real officers of the law get involved.

What happened in the article may have been legal, but it wasn't a trial.


You'll grow up someday!
 
2013-01-05 03:02:00 AM

UsikFark: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.

Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.


Found this nice image about 9mm cartridges.  I imagine you'd use the .357 Maximum to shoot through schools (Johnny Dangerously reference, not Newtown).

img39.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-05 03:03:14 AM

Lsherm: Loaded Six String: I think the only thing we've really gleaned so far from this thread is that Canada must be the most polite place on Earth. Except Quebec. I've heard some Quebecois can be down right nasty if you don't speak french in their presence.

I've told this story before, but the last time I was in Quebec I was smoking a cigarette on the street and a woman came up to me and asked me a question.  When I stared at her blankly, she asked another question.  I don't speak a word of French, but I had a pocket dictionary full of phrases I could use while traveling.  After two minutes of staring at her and explaining in what I would call "pidgin French" that I didn't speak French, she made the universal symbol for "cigarette" using two fingers and miming a puff.  I gave her a smoke.  I shouldn't have, because the French word for cigarette is farkign cigarette.  Instead of just asking for what she wanted, she was running down every slang term she could think of and getting irritated that I didn't understand her.

After she finished smoking it in silence next to me, she said "Thank you" as she walked away.  I KNOW she spoke at least a little English.  They aren't that rude in France.  Actually, most people in France are really nice as long as you try.  Everyone in Quebec treats your inability to speak fluent French the same way a mother would treat a 10 year-old child who just shiat his pants.  They aren't just disappointed, they can't believe you've made it this far in life.


While I agree with the sentiment that it is at best unwise not to learn the local language when traveling to a foreign country, they are bilingual by tradition if not law, and one of the two languages they speak is also spoken in most countries around the world as a second language (english). Precisely because of people like her is the reason I want to learn sign language. They can take their lingual arrogance and shove it up their ass when I sign precisely that to them.

/Alright, I want to learn sign language for a more legitimate reason than that.
//Of all languages, you'd think there would be one common global sign language.
 
2013-01-05 03:03:47 AM

iq_in_binary: Depends on just how pedantic one wants to get,


Whatever it takes to prove I'm right. This is the internet.
 
2013-01-05 03:04:56 AM
What kind of country do we live in now where you can't do a little house exploring without getting shot? Ban guns now.
 
2013-01-05 03:07:51 AM

iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.

Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.

Depends on just how pedantic one wants to get, 9mm is so commonly considered synonymous with 9x19mm or 9mm Parabellum or 9x19mm Parabellum or just plain 9x19 as to be essentially interchangeable with and referring directly to that cartridge.

That and diameter alone has very little to do with a cartridge's power. .357 Magnum is technically "9mm" as well, but nobody in their right mind would try and hold it in the same category as .380 ACP or eve 9x19mm.


Aren't the bullets used in the US' primary rifles about the same diameter as a .22? I thought they just basically little slugs with a lot more get up and go than the 22 Rimfires you learn to shoot with as a kid.
 
2013-01-05 03:08:01 AM

Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?


The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.
 
2013-01-05 03:11:02 AM

Lsherm: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: UsikFark: iq_in_binary: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fail in Human Form: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: And before the Second Amendment Fappers show up, this "gun-grabbing" lib says she did what she had to do, justifiably.

Yet, I'm sure you'd bar others from the use of arms you see "no need for". Interesting.

A five-shot .38? That's a legitimate self-defense implement.

Obviously not, there's a reason my gun control proposal has .380 Auto as the highest caliber that wouldn't need a tax stamp (for pistols, anyway), and this article is proof of why.

5 shots to the face and neck, and he's  stillalive. Had it been a 9mm, he'd have probably been dropped by the first round.

.38 ACP is 9mm.

Not quite

9x19mm is about twice as powerful as .38 ACP. 3 to 3 1/2 times more powerful than .380 ACP and .38 Spl.

Both are 9mm in diameter and similar weight, I just think it's interesting. See, I was technically right, the best kind.

Found this nice image about 9mm cartridges.  I imagine you'd use the .357 Maximum to shoot through schools (Johnny Dangerously reference, not Newtown).

[img39.imageshack.us image 800x600]


My PA-63 fires the shortest round of the bunch. Pretty accurate though.
 
2013-01-05 03:14:34 AM

Sherman Potter: I have a lovely wife, and summer cabin and a boat on Lake Superior. You're not taking anything away from me. I suspect you're very young. Good luck to you.


Lake Superior is lovely. I spent many a summer in the UP myself. Tahquamenon Falls. But that was a long time ago. When I was much, much younger.
 
2013-01-05 03:14:41 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter:

Then what is your point, other that arguing on fark.com?

The point, dear sir, is that your reflexive assumption that people want to take your guns away from you is entirely in your head and not based in any kind of actual fact. The point is that your implied threats of retaliation and/or violence toward the phantom threat of some boogieman come to take away your guns causes the sane among us to question your fitness to own them in the first place. The point is that your paranoia is dangerous and unseemly and worthy of mockery.

Enjoy your guns. It's your right. Just please stop with the "cold dead hands" nonsense. It's ridiculous.


You sound poor. Or fat. Or bitter.

In any case, I don't care.
 
2013-01-05 03:16:31 AM
...I've either just read about 2 1/2 pages worth of troll or I've actually witnessed the emergence of one of the stupidest people I've ever seen here.

Not sure which.
 
2013-01-05 03:17:02 AM
Injuries were something like this:

two in the face, one knocking out some teeth (they found teeth at the scene)
one in the liver
one in the lungs
one in the neck

She fullly stitched the guy, just happened to miss something vital. He could still die from his wounds.

6 shots isn't a whole lot considering shot placement luck. People that want to limit this woman, and ones like her to 6 shots would prefer that she and her children die or get raped in this situation most of the time (I imagine shooting people half way tends to piss them off)

15, 17, or even 30 rounds is entirely appropriate for ONE attacker. Let alone hypothetical two or three.

Use a proper defense round and gun. 9mm is barely adequate. .38 spl is for backup guns and deep cover. Use a .45, a shot gun, a rifle or something like that. (or, a whole lot more 9mm)

Anyway, the advice "don't answer the door" is bad advice. Go to the door, yell "fark off!" and don't OPEN the door.

It's not known if the guy knew she was there. For his purposes, and for hers the justifiable shooting it doesn't matter. BUT, maybe he would have turned and run away had she made it clear she was home.

Not having to shoot is definitely preferable, so give the guy every out you can. But, shoot, and shoot to stop the threat if threatened.

/I hope he dies.
//And his family dies in a horrible fiery accident with a freak collision with any ambulance chasing lawyer they may seek to hire.
///While those posters from the "BradyGroup" may be fake, they reflect the reality of their position.
 
2013-01-05 03:17:20 AM

Sherman Potter: You sound poor. Or fat. Or bitter.


Wait, wait -- I know the next one. Liberal? Amirite? What do I win?

In any case, I don't care.

Then what is your point, other than arguing on fark.com?
 
2013-01-05 03:19:30 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: You sound poor. Or fat. Or bitter.

Wait, wait -- I know the next one. Liberal? Amirite? What do I win?

In any case, I don't care.

Then what is your point, other than arguing on fark.com?


That I don't care.
 
2013-01-05 03:21:41 AM

Sherman Potter: That I don't care.


I can see how much you don't care. You know, from all the responses you keep typing.
 
2013-01-05 03:22:10 AM

Ima4nic8or: Holocaust Agnostic: There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have guns.

Notice however that she didnt need an AR-15 to defend her home.


Which one is it that you anti gun wankers want to get rid of? The handgun or the rifle? I keep hearing ban the handguns, they kill more people. Then they turn around and start banning rifles because they have a pistol grip or a muzzle brake.

You should lovingly and delicately go fark yourself, you hand wringing panty waist.

/I'm a liberal and I think people should have the right to defend themselves. People will continue killing people. It's nasty, it's sad but disarming ourselves won't stop it.
// And if you are a troll go fark yourself with a splintery pine branch, trolling is the most idiotic thing I've seen to happen on the Internet and I've seen a Justin Bieber video.
 
2013-01-05 03:23:03 AM

jafiwam: ///While those posters from the "BradyGroup" may be fake, they reflect the reality of their position.


www.motherjones.com

/not fake
 
2013-01-05 03:23:06 AM

Harry Knutz: Sherman Potter: That I don't care.

I can see how much you don't care. You know, from all the responses you keep typing.


I'm going with poor.
 
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