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(Daily Mail)   New study says that the stress-relieving benefits of nicotine are a myth. Oh, really? Is that so? Then how come I feel like strangling people with an extension cord when I go without nicotine?   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-05 01:26:19 AM  
14 votes:
Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.
2013-01-05 01:27:42 AM  
3 votes:
That myth never made sense to me either. I tried smoking once or twice and it made me feel light headed, dizzy and later like I was going to puke. Nothing relaxing there.
2013-01-05 01:23:37 AM  
3 votes:
I smoked a pack a day for ten years. So very glad that I finally quit. That was years ago.

That said, this report is bullshiat. There is no better drug then nicotine. You want to feel relaxed? It will help you. You want to feel amped? It will help you. Amazing drug. People who deny it's power are liars.
2013-01-05 01:43:29 PM  
2 votes:
This might be hard to believe but it really happened. I was a smoker for over 30 yrs. I LOVED smoking and had absolutely no desire to quit. I had heard about the variety of flavors of e-cig liquid (joose). Everything from fruits to coffees to desserts and more. I thought it would be fun to play with some of the flavors so I did a little research on ECF- Elecrtonic Cigarette Forum Link. I got my first e-cig and a variety of jooses online. That was Feb 18 2012. I haven't had a cigarette since. I wasn't trying to quit. I just kinda happened. You can adjust the amount of nicotine you want as well as the strength of flavor. After playing around with different hardware and different flavors and a couple of hundred bucks, I have found my favorites. I use Smokeless Image Link for my hardware and Kick Bass Vapor Link for my liquids. I would highly recommend these two for anyone interested in trying e-cigs out.

Best thing I ever did!

/vaping KBV's Circus Freak (cotton candy)

//yum
2013-01-05 02:03:34 AM  
2 votes:
I've been using an e-cig for just over a year now. Not going to hawk a particular brand but mine is great. A good place for info is e-cigarette forum dot com - it's not sponsored by any company and it is all user submitted info and reviews.
2013-01-05 02:01:55 AM  
2 votes:
Quitting is almost *all* psychological. That's the challenge; not the nicotine addiction that clears after a few (murderous) days.

I quit after 8 years, and it was downright easy. And I'm no paragon of self-discipline and willpower. The trick is simple:

While your resolve and self-discipline are at their strongest, and you've made that hard decision, deliberately expose yourself to *everything* that makes you reach for a cigarette. Get drunk, fark like a rabbit, visit your mother-in-law, every stressor or trigger you can think of. That temporary, but all-important surge of willpower will get you through it.

And when you're done? Nothing short of WW3 will push you to start again.

Also, tasting food is nice.
2013-01-05 01:46:10 AM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: That sounds like the worst study ever done.

The researchers are less sure why stress levels rose in those who failed to quit. But it may be that their failure - and thoughts of the damage their habit was doing to their health - made them worry more.
This increase in stress levels was particularly high in those with depression and other psychiatric problems and the researchers said doctors should be aware of this.


If you have a lot of people in your study with psychiatric problems, then OF COURSE they're going to have high stress levels--before, during and after attempting to quit--and OF COURSE it's going to be unclear what caused the change. And it seems pretty clear that if one of the reasons they were trying to quit is fear for their health, then knowing they failed is going to make things worse.

These guys are pretty bad researchers.


I've always heard and I believe smoking is a form of self medication for people with depression and other issues, take that away and change nothing in their meds, yeah their gonna fail and feel what they were self medicating for.

And yes they do seem pretty bad at it.
2013-01-05 01:33:26 AM  
2 votes:

Gulliver: Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.


yup

me while smoking for 15 years:
nerve/stress rollercoaster

me after quitting smoking:
still kinda crazy, but not "OMG I NEED A CIGARETTE" crazy every time I got a curve ball thrown into my day

cigars get me through the couple of bar trips / pool nights every month. something about drinking in public around other smokers... I don't think I'll ever be able to shake that.
2013-01-05 12:53:32 PM  
1 vote:
May as well add my CSB:

I started smoking when I was ten. Back then, local friendly convenience store clerks had no qualms about selling a pack to a kid ("It's for my mom!") and at 25c a pack, the 1/2 mile walk to the store would usually yield the three discarded pop bottles needed to cover the cost.

By the time I was forty I'd been smoking for thirty years, and was smoking four packs a day, every day. Smoking eighty cigs a day means I ALWAYS had one lit. I smoked during meals. I smoked in the shower. I woke up in the middle of the night to have a few cigs before going back to sleep. Smoked DURING sex.I ALWAYS had at least one, sometimes two, cigs lit... and EVERYTHING was a trigger.

In '96 cig prices were just beginning to really get outrageous; cartons were almost up to $20. I could not walk up a flight of stairs without stopping to rest, but what bothered me more than that was that I could no longer hold in a hit of weed. I was going to have to quit smoking something I really enjoyed because of smoking something that I had come to resent and detest. I tried everything to quit: The patch, gum, hypnosis, cinnamon sticks, accupuncture... finally Welbutrin, and it worked like magic for me. The morning of my quit date (my 40th birthday) I woke up sarcastically thinking 'Yeah, right; SURE I'm not going to smoke a cig today.' - but it worked like turning off a switch in my brain.

Stupidly, I flirted with smoking on and off for the next coupla years. I never went back to smoking regularly, but once or twice a month I'd bum one off a friend... finally quit that altogether. As my sense of smell slowly returned, I discovered that the world does NOT smell pretty. That was a huge disappointment, as I had been looking forward to finding out what food actually tastes like - remember, I started at ten years old. I'd never even had a beer or barely a burger or slice of pizza without a cig to go along with it.

I put on forty pounds, finally decided that being fat sucked and got my ass to a gym. Lost the weight, got healthy through weights and walking many many miles. towards the end of my forties I was in the best shape of my life. It's been fifteen years now; age is slowly deteriorating my body but I'm still in much better shape than I'd have been if I hadn't quit. I've saved a shiat-ton of money and on most days, the lungs function pretty darned well. Right now I'm fighting the flu (and it feels like I'm losing), but for the most part, quitting was the best thing that ever happened to me.

Here's hoping that anyone who wants to quit can do so as successfully as I did... best of luck to y'all.
2013-01-05 11:40:01 AM  
1 vote:
When I started smoking, cigarettes cost $0.40 a pack. I have quit several times over the course of 36 years. I have also tried just about every drug you could possibly become addicted to, and by tried, I mean used. Never a junkie, but only because I could see where continued use would take me; I just walked away from them. But those damn cigarettes are a tough habit to break. Even after having quit for months, the urge to smoke never went away. However, when I am "off" smokes for a while, the cravings become less and less frequent (although still just as intense), and I have experienced better breathing and generally a better attitude. But I'll be damned if smoking doesn't show up in my dreams...I can taste it and so far, I have always found an excuse to start again. One of these days...

/Almost never get sick. Used to joke that I killed all pathogens with alcohol and nicotine
//One of these days I'll stop for good
///Kudos to those who have quit
2013-01-05 11:36:35 AM  
1 vote:
i247.photobucket.com
Not mine, but I want one.
2013-01-05 08:02:38 AM  
1 vote:

Shakin_Haitian: the_rhino: ITT: weak-willed people attempting to justify their disgusting habits.

Smokers are nasty. Knock it off, no body wants to be around your noxious odor or wants to deal with the second hand smoke. And,you don't look cool or whatever, you just look like a selfish douche who wants to inconvenience everyone around them. There are other ways to give yourself cancer that do not assault the olfactory senses of those around you.

How does it feel to be a whiny three year old?


No dude, you don't get it, smokers are terrible people worse than Hitler and Jews and rapists all rolled in to one. They're social paraiahs we get to moke and legislate against because of choice, how awesome is that!? And we can be prelitterate farkbags and have no valid opinions or content to spew, but still do it, because no one cares, these guys are EVIL!!
2013-01-05 05:45:48 AM  
1 vote:

ParagonComplex: entitygm: ParagonComplex: I am a psychology major, and their comments about those with depression and psychiatric disorders is unequivocal proof that they are a bunch of nimrods. Why? Because nicotine helps tremendously with said disorders. It all has to do with brain chemistry. For whatever reason nicotine effects people with psychological disorders differently than other people. It is a common theme amongst disorders. As a matter of fact whether or not a person smokes and what it does for theme is a high indicator that something is knocking a little differently in their heads. Everything from schizophrenia to ADHD is affected by nicotine. Doesn't mean you're nuts. It just means that the benefits are more than people realize.

Is that so? I was diagnosed BPD (treated with a lithium variant ~5 years ago) Now I'm on nothing but the occasional nicotine, no symptoms of anything. Self-medicated I suppose?

Exactly. It is a form of self-medication. It really is that powerful of a drug for those with psychological disorders. Also, for those that want to be prescribed a drug to quit you can ask your doctor for Wellbutrin. It effects the same receptors that nicotine does. So much, in fact, that if you try smoking while on Wellbutrin you will get zero effect. The problem arises when you get off the drug, because there is nothing there to react with those receptors. Wellbutrin works well for those with psychological disorders because of how it effects the same receptors as nicotine does. It truly is a common theme in psychological disorders.

/Subby


Wellbutrin didn't work for shiat. Chantix works. My only problem is alcohol. Alcohol inevitably leads to smoking which leads to buying a pack which leads to smoking a cigarette the next morning.
2013-01-05 02:45:31 AM  
1 vote:

Fano: aagrajag: steerforth: aagrajag: Quitting is almost *all* psychological. That's the challenge; not the nicotine addiction that clears after a few (murderous) days.

I quit after 8 years, and it was downright easy. And I'm no paragon of self-discipline and willpower. The trick is simple:

While your resolve and self-discipline are at their strongest, and you've made that hard decision, deliberately expose yourself to *everything* that makes you reach for a cigarette. Get drunk, fark like a rabbit, visit your mother-in-law, every stressor or trigger you can think of. That temporary, but all-important surge of willpower will get you through it.

And when you're done? Nothing short of WW3 will push you to start again.

Also, tasting food is nice.

That's your experience - everyone is different. Copious amounts of alcohol are helping me just fine.

Hah. Now, if only the same method worked with alcohol...

Seriously though, everyone's willpower wanes with time, so confronting your triggers while at your strongest just makes sense. It's also the very opposite of what most people do, so I imagine not too many have tried it. Most people avoid stress when they're quitting. You know, they pick a long weekend, board themselves up with a bunch of shiatty movies, and pointedly avoid stress of any sort.

Yes, this is simply my experience. But when I say I ain't Mr. Self Discipline, I mean it. I must have done something right.

Having tried the lozenge, gum, and the patch, I've found that straight up cold turkey, combined with a cellphone app that marks achievements plus Allan Carr philosophy seems to be working best for me. Once past the initial physical period that's over pretty quick, it appears to be a psychological long game.


That's the other thing I forgot to mention: cessation aids to alleviate physical cravings are not your friends. They help a tiny bit with the physical withdrawal, but that passes after only days. The psychological undermining however, does lasting damage to your likelihood of success.

Cold turkey. No aids. They are your enemies. Trust me.
2013-01-05 02:45:07 AM  
1 vote:
" It's easy to quit smoking ... I've done it a thousand times."

-Mark Twain
2013-01-05 02:13:33 AM  
1 vote:
I'm going to go ahead and say that a large part of the stress relief or calming effect probably has something to do with spending 3-5 minutes taking long, deep breaths and letting them out slowly.

Smoked for almost 20 years. Going to hit the 2 year smoke free mark next month.
2013-01-05 02:12:07 AM  
1 vote:

Quantum Apostrophe: Fano: Won't quitting make you live longer? How can that be? The Fark wisdom is that we don't live longer than 3000 years ago, and therefore can't live longer.
/I think we hit peak retard that day


No, it is quite clear we just hit peak retard.
2013-01-05 02:01:56 AM  
1 vote:

Fano: Gulliver: Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.

...and done here.

/trying to quit
//knows it is do or do not


Having been there, the only advice I can offer is try to get healthy first. Once you've done that, quitting is a helluva lot easier.

IME, picking up cardio 3x a week helped a huge amount. Doing several different elimination diets in a row probably helped a little bit more.

Starting heavy lifting really helped a lot. Lifting heavy things triggers a lot of the same receptors and will give you a similar rush.
2013-01-05 01:57:04 AM  
1 vote:

Fano:
//knows it is do or do not


I got sick of the smell on me and my clothes. And the company, but that's another story.

Crumpled half a pack and trashed it and never bought or bummed another.

Give it two weeks. You'll feel better, your attitude is better, your cock stays harder longer, you have more money, your time is freeer.

Don't trust me, try it for yourself.
2013-01-05 01:53:05 AM  
1 vote:
I always thought the relaxing bit about smoking was the deep breathing associated with the action of smoking, not the actual nicotine itself.
2013-01-05 01:40:46 AM  
1 vote:

ordinarysteve: I'm on day 4 of not smoking and the best part of quitting is that if you are an asshole and tell people you are trying to quit, than they forgive you.


Nah, the best part is 5+years later when you can tell people "Yeah, been there. Best of luck to you..."

/I hope.
//Best of luck to you.
///These days the only time I want a cigarette is when I hear an anti-smoking ad. Seriously.
2013-01-05 01:36:08 AM  
1 vote:
I'm on day 4 of not smoking and the best part of quitting is that if you are an asshole and tell people you are trying to quit, than they forgive you.
2013-01-05 01:35:18 AM  
1 vote:

Banacek: There is no better drug then nicotine.


Nicotine is just about the most lethal poison known to our species. Short-term-high-dose? Instant death. Long-term-low-dose? Tobacco addiction, cancer, and death. Bonus: your kids are more likely to be non-X-Men mutant failures.

Seriously, you'd be better off addicting yourself to cocaine.
2013-01-05 01:33:32 AM  
1 vote:
Smoker for 25 years, at the end I was up to two packs a day. Have been off them for a month.

Stressed? Yes, but it eases.

Drink!
2013-01-05 01:30:13 AM  
1 vote:
That sounds like the worst study ever done.

The researchers are less sure why stress levels rose in those who failed to quit. But it may be that their failure - and thoughts of the damage their habit was doing to their health - made them worry more.
This increase in stress levels was particularly high in those with depression and other psychiatric problems and the researchers said doctors should be aware of this.



If you have a lot of people in your study with psychiatric problems, then OF COURSE they're going to have high stress levels--before, during and after attempting to quit--and OF COURSE it's going to be unclear what caused the change. And it seems pretty clear that if one of the reasons they were trying to quit is fear for their health, then knowing they failed is going to make things worse.

These guys are pretty bad researchers.
2013-01-05 01:28:05 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: Yet another reason not to bother trying.


Do or do not.
2013-01-05 01:23:58 AM  
1 vote:
So, 68 out of 491 that started the program felt less stress when they were done, and the rest felt pretty much the same as they did when they started, or more stressed?

I'm going to go ahead and reject H0=quitting smoking reduces stress.
2013-01-05 01:01:46 AM  
1 vote:
2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-05 12:31:54 AM  
1 vote:
However, those who tried to give up and failed were more stressed than in the beginning, the British Journal of Psychiatry reports.

Yet another reason not to bother trying.
 
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