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(Daily Mail)   New study says that the stress-relieving benefits of nicotine are a myth. Oh, really? Is that so? Then how come I feel like strangling people with an extension cord when I go without nicotine?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 159
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2013-01-05 12:31:54 AM
However, those who tried to give up and failed were more stressed than in the beginning, the British Journal of Psychiatry reports.

Yet another reason not to bother trying.
 
2013-01-05 01:01:46 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-05 01:20:09 AM
Tense?

What do you mean, "tense"? I'm not tense, you're tense! Uh huh THAT'S right!!

F*CK YOU, that's what!
 
2013-01-05 01:23:37 AM
I smoked a pack a day for ten years. So very glad that I finally quit. That was years ago.

That said, this report is bullshiat. There is no better drug then nicotine. You want to feel relaxed? It will help you. You want to feel amped? It will help you. Amazing drug. People who deny it's power are liars.
 
2013-01-05 01:23:58 AM
So, 68 out of 491 that started the program felt less stress when they were done, and the rest felt pretty much the same as they did when they started, or more stressed?

I'm going to go ahead and reject H0=quitting smoking reduces stress.
 
2013-01-05 01:24:39 AM
Is it really stress relieve when not having it is what makes you crawl up the walls?
 
2013-01-05 01:26:19 AM
Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.
 
2013-01-05 01:26:22 AM
I only appear tense because I have to go outside to smoke in 25F weather : (

/Quitting again soon.
 
2013-01-05 01:27:42 AM
That myth never made sense to me either. I tried smoking once or twice and it made me feel light headed, dizzy and later like I was going to puke. Nothing relaxing there.
 
2013-01-05 01:28:05 AM

fusillade762: Yet another reason not to bother trying.


Do or do not.
 
2013-01-05 01:29:25 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-05 01:30:13 AM
That sounds like the worst study ever done.

The researchers are less sure why stress levels rose in those who failed to quit. But it may be that their failure - and thoughts of the damage their habit was doing to their health - made them worry more.
This increase in stress levels was particularly high in those with depression and other psychiatric problems and the researchers said doctors should be aware of this.



If you have a lot of people in your study with psychiatric problems, then OF COURSE they're going to have high stress levels--before, during and after attempting to quit--and OF COURSE it's going to be unclear what caused the change. And it seems pretty clear that if one of the reasons they were trying to quit is fear for their health, then knowing they failed is going to make things worse.

These guys are pretty bad researchers.
 
2013-01-05 01:30:17 AM
From my experience:

I get nothing from cigarettes.
I got a head rush from hookah
I get a biatchin' head rush from dip and nasal snuff.

I haven't had any of the above in over a year and only used the above at most 3 times a month.
 
2013-01-05 01:33:23 AM
utabby.com

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!!!
/oldie but goodie
 
2013-01-05 01:33:26 AM

Gulliver: Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.


yup

me while smoking for 15 years:
nerve/stress rollercoaster

me after quitting smoking:
still kinda crazy, but not "OMG I NEED A CIGARETTE" crazy every time I got a curve ball thrown into my day

cigars get me through the couple of bar trips / pool nights every month. something about drinking in public around other smokers... I don't think I'll ever be able to shake that.
 
2013-01-05 01:33:32 AM
Smoker for 25 years, at the end I was up to two packs a day. Have been off them for a month.

Stressed? Yes, but it eases.

Drink!
 
2013-01-05 01:33:33 AM
Oh and if you ever wanted to get kicked in the face with a mint covered boot, try this

tobaccofreegallatin.org
 
2013-01-05 01:35:18 AM

Banacek: There is no better drug then nicotine.


Nicotine is just about the most lethal poison known to our species. Short-term-high-dose? Instant death. Long-term-low-dose? Tobacco addiction, cancer, and death. Bonus: your kids are more likely to be non-X-Men mutant failures.

Seriously, you'd be better off addicting yourself to cocaine.
 
2013-01-05 01:36:08 AM
I'm on day 4 of not smoking and the best part of quitting is that if you are an asshole and tell people you are trying to quit, than they forgive you.
 
2013-01-05 01:37:55 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: From my experience:

I get nothing from cigarettes.
I got a head rush from hookah
I get a biatchin' head rush from dip and nasal snuff.

I haven't had any of the above in over a year and only used the above at most 3 times a month.


Weird. I get nothing at all from dip/chew/snuff, and a major head rush from cigarettes.

Haven't had anything at all for well over a year.

/ecigs gave me nothing except an excuse to quit.
 
2013-01-05 01:40:46 AM

ordinarysteve: I'm on day 4 of not smoking and the best part of quitting is that if you are an asshole and tell people you are trying to quit, than they forgive you.


Nah, the best part is 5+years later when you can tell people "Yeah, been there. Best of luck to you..."

/I hope.
//Best of luck to you.
///These days the only time I want a cigarette is when I hear an anti-smoking ad. Seriously.
 
2013-01-05 01:41:15 AM

Warrener: Weird. I get nothing at all from dip/chew/snuff, and a major head rush from cigarettes.


This is indeed weird. I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority.
 
2013-01-05 01:42:00 AM
Whole family smokes, other than me, and I've seen many of them go for a comfort smoke while stressed. Even if nicotine did nothing to alleviate that stress I'd have to imagine that there is a fairly strong placebo element to the whole issue.

Even if said stress relief was only due to the sated need for smoking.
 
2013-01-05 01:43:22 AM

Banacek: I smoked a pack a day for ten years. So very glad that I finally quit. That was years ago.

That said, this report is bullshiat. There is no better drug then nicotine. You want to feel relaxed? It will help you. You want to feel amped? It will help you. Amazing drug. People who deny it's power are liars.


The above^

/16 months quit after more years than I care to admit
//still want a f*cking cigarette, though
 
2013-01-05 01:45:28 AM
www.gjsentinel.com
Suck it cancer boy, suck it HARD!!!
 
2013-01-05 01:46:10 AM

Gyrfalcon: That sounds like the worst study ever done.

The researchers are less sure why stress levels rose in those who failed to quit. But it may be that their failure - and thoughts of the damage their habit was doing to their health - made them worry more.
This increase in stress levels was particularly high in those with depression and other psychiatric problems and the researchers said doctors should be aware of this.


If you have a lot of people in your study with psychiatric problems, then OF COURSE they're going to have high stress levels--before, during and after attempting to quit--and OF COURSE it's going to be unclear what caused the change. And it seems pretty clear that if one of the reasons they were trying to quit is fear for their health, then knowing they failed is going to make things worse.

These guys are pretty bad researchers.


I've always heard and I believe smoking is a form of self medication for people with depression and other issues, take that away and change nothing in their meds, yeah their gonna fail and feel what they were self medicating for.

And yes they do seem pretty bad at it.
 
2013-01-05 01:47:09 AM

Gulliver: Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.


...and done here.

/trying to quit
//knows it is do or do not
 
2013-01-05 01:49:15 AM
Lung cancer makes you calm and un-stressed?

/ Watched a couple of family members die painful deaths
// But, gee, at least they enjoyed their cigs beforehand!
 
2013-01-05 01:50:18 AM
Fano: Won't quitting make you live longer? How can that be? The Fark wisdom is that we don't live longer than 3000 years ago, and therefore can't live longer.
/I think we hit peak retard that day
 
2013-01-05 01:50:58 AM

BuckTurgidson: Banacek: There is no better drug then nicotine.

Nicotine is just about the most lethal poison known to our species. Short-term-high-dose? Instant death. Long-term-low-dose? Tobacco addiction, cancer, and death. Bonus: your kids are more likely to be non-X-Men mutant failures.

Seriously, you'd be better off addicting yourself to cocaine.


0/10

/id.10
 
2013-01-05 01:52:04 AM

jaytkay: Lung cancer makes you calm and un-stressed?

/ Watched a couple of family members die painful deaths
// But, gee, at least they enjoyed their cigs beforehand!


/Troll
 
2013-01-05 01:52:16 AM

Fano: Gulliver: Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.

...and done here.

/trying to quit
//knows it is do or do not


Good Luck to yo I be right there with you after I finish my last two packs.

/I've done it before
//I started back because of high stress and yea it helped.
/I hope I never have to quit again after this time.
 
2013-01-05 01:53:05 AM
I always thought the relaxing bit about smoking was the deep breathing associated with the action of smoking, not the actual nicotine itself.
 
2013-01-05 01:54:04 AM

Linkster: jaytkay: Lung cancer makes you calm and un-stressed?

/ Watched a couple of family members die painful deaths
// But, gee, at least they enjoyed their cigs beforehand!

/Troll


Double your daily cigarette intake, please. You deserve it.
 
2013-01-05 01:57:04 AM

Fano:
//knows it is do or do not


I got sick of the smell on me and my clothes. And the company, but that's another story.

Crumpled half a pack and trashed it and never bought or bummed another.

Give it two weeks. You'll feel better, your attitude is better, your cock stays harder longer, you have more money, your time is freeer.

Don't trust me, try it for yourself.
 
2013-01-05 01:59:59 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I only appear tense because I have to go outside to smoke in 25F weather : (

/Quitting again soon.


poo. i was out just the other morning when it was 5 smoking a cigarette AND a pipe.

at the same time?

kinda sorta
 
2013-01-05 02:01:55 AM
Quitting is almost *all* psychological. That's the challenge; not the nicotine addiction that clears after a few (murderous) days.

I quit after 8 years, and it was downright easy. And I'm no paragon of self-discipline and willpower. The trick is simple:

While your resolve and self-discipline are at their strongest, and you've made that hard decision, deliberately expose yourself to *everything* that makes you reach for a cigarette. Get drunk, fark like a rabbit, visit your mother-in-law, every stressor or trigger you can think of. That temporary, but all-important surge of willpower will get you through it.

And when you're done? Nothing short of WW3 will push you to start again.

Also, tasting food is nice.
 
2013-01-05 02:01:56 AM

Fano: Gulliver: Nicotine relieves the stress of nicotine withdrawal.

That is all.

...and done here.

/trying to quit
//knows it is do or do not


Having been there, the only advice I can offer is try to get healthy first. Once you've done that, quitting is a helluva lot easier.

IME, picking up cardio 3x a week helped a huge amount. Doing several different elimination diets in a row probably helped a little bit more.

Starting heavy lifting really helped a lot. Lifting heavy things triggers a lot of the same receptors and will give you a similar rush.
 
2013-01-05 02:01:56 AM

codemastaflex: I always thought the relaxing bit about smoking was the deep breathing associated with the action of smoking, not the actual nicotine itself.


I think you're pretty much right. I've often thought this my longest period of time without smoking as an adult I did lots of yoga and yea I can see it. Although there are some true medicinal purposes of tobacco, one it it can take the toxin out of a bee sting and make it feel better almost instantly, although that's applied topically to the sting as a paste.
 
2013-01-05 02:03:34 AM
I've been using an e-cig for just over a year now. Not going to hawk a particular brand but mine is great. A good place for info is e-cigarette forum dot com - it's not sponsored by any company and it is all user submitted info and reviews.
 
2013-01-05 02:04:09 AM

Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: I only appear tense because I have to go outside to smoke in 25F weather : (

/Quitting again soon.

poo. i was out just the other morning when it was 5 smoking a cigarette AND a pipe.

at the same time?

kinda sorta


If I something for my pipe, I would be alright ; )
 
2013-01-05 02:04:29 AM
Do, or do not. There is no try

/Frigid poultry FTW
 
2013-01-05 02:04:55 AM

aagrajag: Quitting is almost *all* psychological. That's the challenge; not the nicotine addiction that clears after a few (murderous) days.

I quit after 8 years, and it was downright easy. And I'm no paragon of self-discipline and willpower. The trick is simple:

While your resolve and self-discipline are at their strongest, and you've made that hard decision, deliberately expose yourself to *everything* that makes you reach for a cigarette. Get drunk, fark like a rabbit, visit your mother-in-law, every stressor or trigger you can think of. That temporary, but all-important surge of willpower will get you through it.

And when you're done? Nothing short of WW3 will push you to start again.

Also, tasting food is nice.


That's your experience - everyone is different. Copious amounts of alcohol are helping me just fine.
 
2013-01-05 02:07:16 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Fano: Won't quitting make you live longer? How can that be? The Fark wisdom is that we don't live longer than 3000 years ago, and therefore can't live longer.
/I think we hit peak retard that day


Nice to see your stupidity level is still in the kilopalin range. You know you are full of shiat and you know why. It's been explained to you numerous times.
 
2013-01-05 02:07:58 AM

Banacek: There is no better drug then nicotine.


10/10.
 
2013-01-05 02:08:35 AM

aagrajag: Quitting is almost *all* psychological. That's the challenge; not the nicotine addiction that clears after a few (murderous) days.

I quit after 8 years, and it was downright easy. And I'm no paragon of self-discipline and willpower. The trick is simple:

While your resolve and self-discipline are at their strongest, and you've made that hard decision, deliberately expose yourself to *everything* that makes you reach for a cigarette. Get drunk, fark like a rabbit, visit your mother-in-law, every stressor or trigger you can think of. That temporary, but all-important surge of willpower will get you through it.

And when you're done? Nothing short of WW3 will push you to start again.

Also, tasting food is nice.


I'm not going to argue with you about that assertion, but where do you get that spike of resolve and self-discipline from?


I've also never understood the sentiment of "tasting food" again that I've heard from so many people. Personally, I tasted food as well when I smoked a pack+ per day as I do now. The only real difference is more sensitivity to capsacin and a bit less to horseradish (and those are related to dietary choices from the last several months.)
 
2013-01-05 02:11:27 AM

steerforth: aagrajag: Quitting is almost *all* psychological. That's the challenge; not the nicotine addiction that clears after a few (murderous) days.

I quit after 8 years, and it was downright easy. And I'm no paragon of self-discipline and willpower. The trick is simple:

While your resolve and self-discipline are at their strongest, and you've made that hard decision, deliberately expose yourself to *everything* that makes you reach for a cigarette. Get drunk, fark like a rabbit, visit your mother-in-law, every stressor or trigger you can think of. That temporary, but all-important surge of willpower will get you through it.

And when you're done? Nothing short of WW3 will push you to start again.

Also, tasting food is nice.

That's your experience - everyone is different. Copious amounts of alcohol are helping me just fine.


Hah. Now, if only the same method worked with alcohol...

Seriously though, everyone's willpower wanes with time, so confronting your triggers while at your strongest just makes sense. It's also the very opposite of what most people do, so I imagine not too many have tried it. Most people avoid stress when they're quitting. You know, they pick a long weekend, board themselves up with a bunch of shiatty movies, and pointedly avoid stress of any sort.

Yes, this is simply my experience. But when I say I ain't Mr. Self Discipline, I mean it. I must have done something right.
 
2013-01-05 02:12:07 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Fano: Won't quitting make you live longer? How can that be? The Fark wisdom is that we don't live longer than 3000 years ago, and therefore can't live longer.
/I think we hit peak retard that day


No, it is quite clear we just hit peak retard.
 
2013-01-05 02:12:21 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Banacek: I smoked a pack a day for ten years. So very glad that I finally quit. That was years ago.

That said, this report is bullshiat. There is no better drug then nicotine. You want to feel relaxed? It will help you. You want to feel amped? It will help you. Amazing drug. People who deny it's power are liars.

The above^

/16 months quit after more years than I care to admit
//still want a f*cking cigarette, though


My 10th anniversary of quitting was back in August, the still wanting one still happens, just less and less often. At this point, maybe once a month or two.  (20+yrs pack-a-day)
 
2013-01-05 02:13:09 AM
I've been on the eCigarette for the last few months with the occasional real cigarette.  None today, two yesterday, but hitting that electronic thing constantly.
 
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