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(USA Today)   Chip Kelly will become the next Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns, who lost more games in 2012 than Kelly lost during his entire six years at Oregon   (usatoday.com) divider line 95
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2013-01-04 07:57:19 PM
But wait, Chip Kelly isn't some nameless, low-rent failed coordinator...WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE BROWNS?
 
2013-01-04 08:16:41 PM
Pay-for-play doesn't work in the NFL.

/runs from thread before ahab shows up
 
2013-01-04 08:27:47 PM
I was hoping he might head to LoCal. Well, Lovie Smith is still available ...
 
2013-01-04 08:27:51 PM
Chip Kelly is bringing his 1-point safety to the NFL.

That'll work as well as his stupid fake-punts and ugly uniforms.

/ Auburn 22 - Oregon 19
 
2013-01-04 08:38:24 PM
If he starts it like his college career, I vote that Trent Richardson punches out Bill Romanowski. I know he's retired but he still deserves it
 
2013-01-04 08:39:47 PM
Kelly lost more games in 2012 than Kelly lost during his entire six years at Oregon? I know what you meant, but its not what you said.
 
2013-01-04 09:08:04 PM
Yeah, this is going to bomb.
 
2013-01-04 09:19:25 PM
They're still shiatty.
 
2013-01-04 09:42:21 PM

GAT_00: Yeah, this is going to bomb.


Like Schiano bombed with the Bucs?

A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.
 
2013-01-04 09:59:49 PM
I give the Browns some credit. Yes, they were the Browns. But at least they played hard and weren't pushovers. I actually thought Shurmur was doing some good things there.

Gonz: A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.


there is one point I've heard that makes me hesitate to think Kelly will succeed. Its EXTREMELY rare for a coach with no pro experience, either as a player or a coach, to come from the college ranks and succeed in the Pros. Jury's out on Schiano (although I think he's doing well so far), but going back, its tough to find a success story not named Jimmy Johnson. Harbaugh is working, but he played in the pros. Pete Carroll was coach of the Pats before Belichik, so he had some experience too. Then there's Steve Spurrier, who I'm sure Redskins fans would love to forget about.

I'm not saying its impossible, just that the odds are against it.
 
2013-01-04 10:12:52 PM
Man, I thought he'd be crazy to leave Oregon, the NCAA hammer must be coming down.
 
2013-01-04 10:20:28 PM

Gonz: GAT_00: Yeah, this is going to bomb.

Like Schiano bombed with the Bucs?

A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.


I question if Kelly is really that good of a coach.  Oregon has succeeded by buying superior talent, running a hurry-up offense, and a read option which is tricky to learn how to defend against properly.  That same read option will likely not work as well in the NFL, though Newton and RG III are challenging that.  Cleveland will more or less have to draft Manziel to have that read option have a chance of working.  But Cleveland does not out-talent it's opponents, and hurry up does not frighten an NFL team.  In short, the three keys to Kelly's success are about to be reduced to half a key.  I'm unconvinced he is all that good of a coach.
 
2013-01-04 11:20:05 PM
3 years...
 
2013-01-04 11:59:31 PM

CavalierEternal: But wait, Chip Kelly isn't some nameless, low-rent failed coordinator...WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE BROWNS?


So......who is the QB of the future that he'll draft this year?

/i keed
//not really, they'll blow it on someone
 
2013-01-05 12:50:40 AM

SilentStrider: I give the Browns some credit. Yes, they were the Browns. But at least they played hard and weren't pushovers. I actually thought Shurmur was doing some good things there.

Gonz: A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.

there is one point I've heard that makes me hesitate to think Kelly will succeed. Its EXTREMELY rare for a coach with no pro experience, either as a player or a coach, to come from the college ranks and succeed in the Pros. Jury's out on Schiano (although I think he's doing well so far), but going back, its tough to find a success story not named Jimmy Johnson. Harbaugh is working, but he played in the pros. Pete Carroll was coach of the Pats before Belichik, so he had some experience too. Then there's Steve Spurrier, who I'm sure Redskins fans would love to forget about.


Similarly, Browns fans would like to forget about Butch Davis, too.

GAT_00: .
I question if Kelly is really that good of a coach.  Oregon has succeeded by buying superior talent, running a hurry-up offense, and a read option which is tricky to learn how to defend against properly.  That same read option will likely not work as well in the NFL, though Newton and RG III are challenging that.  Cleveland will more or less have to draft Manziel to have that read option have a chance of working.  But Cleveland does not out-talent it's opponents, and hurry up does not frighten an NFL team.  In short, the three keys to Kelly's success are about to be reduced to half a key.  I'm unconvinced he is all that good of a coach.


Not to mention having a 100-man roster vs. 46 in the pros. The defense will get gassed, either because the offense either scores quickly or goes three-and-out. And Weeden himself said last week he didn't think he could run a zone read offense. McCoy doesn't have a strong enough arm. I'm not sure this is really a good choice unless Kelly runs a different offense than he's run at Oregon.
 
2013-01-05 01:21:10 AM
I hear that Willie Lyles has been has been hired as a scout.
 
2013-01-05 01:23:48 AM
Gettin' out just in time, coach.

www.theheckler.com
 
2013-01-05 01:29:10 AM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Gettin' out just in time, coach.

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www.nwsportsbeat.com
 
2013-01-05 01:30:26 AM
congratulations to the Browns on their impending Super Bowl loss
 
2013-01-05 01:46:43 AM

CavalierEternal: But wait, Chip Kelly isn't some nameless, low-rent failed coordinator...WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE BROWNS?


...neither was Butch Davis.
 
2013-01-05 01:50:29 AM

GAT_00: But Cleveland does not out-talent it's opponents, and hurry up does not frighten an NFL team.


The sack that knocked Thad Lewis out of the Pittsburgh game came during hurry-up mode, when the Steelers went on the blitz and the backup left guard missed an assignment. Yes, NFL teams can handle hurry-up.
 
2013-01-05 01:55:16 AM

Speaker2Animals: SilentStrider: I give the Browns some credit. Yes, they were the Browns. But at least they played hard and weren't pushovers. I actually thought Shurmur was doing some good things there.

Gonz: A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.

there is one point I've heard that makes me hesitate to think Kelly will succeed. Its EXTREMELY rare for a coach with no pro experience, either as a player or a coach, to come from the college ranks and succeed in the Pros. Jury's out on Schiano (although I think he's doing well so far), but going back, its tough to find a success story not named Jimmy Johnson. Harbaugh is working, but he played in the pros. Pete Carroll was coach of the Pats before Belichik, so he had some experience too. Then there's Steve Spurrier, who I'm sure Redskins fans would love to forget about.

Similarly, Browns fans would like to forget about Butch Davis, too.


Butch took the Browns to the postseason on the back of one QB, then discarded him when he decided the other QB was better. He wasn't, thus dooming Butch to going back to breaking NCAA rules.

For years, I have said that had Butch Davis had kept with Tim Couch instead of giving Kelly Holcomb the QB job, both Davis and Couch would still be in the NFL today. I'll stick to the sentiment, though by now Couch would probably have been out of the NFL, because he is most definitely not a Brady or a Manning, though I think he could've been at least a McNabb.
 
2013-01-05 01:57:30 AM
Not a fan of the Browns, but it would be interesting to see the Steelers go from third in the division to fourth, just to see how the fans react. The other three cities in the division can handle it, but I think Pittsburgh would lose its mind. The mayor's job would be on the line.
 
2013-01-05 01:59:28 AM
Looks like Joe Banner paid his childhood friend, Jeffrey Lurie, back for the public ass-farking he got on the way out of Philly last year.
 
2013-01-05 02:23:11 AM
Yeah, don't see this doing much in the long term.

Limited roster size, along with the age and conditioning of decent linemen, kills the high tempo offense play style, that's why no one runs it as anything other than a situational system.

If, IF he gets a QB and rb for his system it might be an offense that gives a few good performances, but the defense will spend so much time on the field that they will lose most games by simply giving the opponent so many possessions.
 
2013-01-05 02:36:09 AM

GAT_00: hurry up does not frighten an NFL team.  In short, the three keys to Kelly's success are about to be reduced to half a key.


i.cdn.turner.com

1992 called.
 
2013-01-05 02:41:14 AM

Triumph: Not a fan of the Browns, but it would be interesting to see the Steelers go from third in the division to fourth, just to see how the fans react. The other three cities in the division can handle it, but I think Pittsburgh would lose its mind. The mayor's job would be on the line.


Sad part is...you're right.
 
2013-01-05 02:49:06 AM
But if he has Tim Tebow.... Mighty Timmy..... he'll have a championship year.
 
2013-01-05 02:55:08 AM

Rodeodoc: But if he has Tim Tebow.... Mighty Timmy..... he'll have a championship year.


Am I the only person who enjoyed watching Tebow lead the Denver Broncos to the playoffs last year? It was never pretty, but it was some of the most entertaining football I have seen in years. Denver may have went 12-3 with Robot Manning at the helm, but it was not nearly as entertaining.
 
2013-01-05 03:04:26 AM
Why does everyone assume that Chip Kelly will run Oregon's offense in the NFL?
 
2013-01-05 03:08:31 AM

Gonz: GAT_00: Yeah, this is going to bomb.

Like Schiano bombed with the Bucs?

A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.


Coaches matter, but so do executives. The Browns have had no luck with either. That the Chargers sunk so low isn't proof that Norv is a bad coach(the years he had hall of fame caliber linemen and top flight receivers and defensive studs he won a bunch of games, as any coach should have), it's proof that AJ Smith knows how to tank a team.
 
2013-01-05 03:23:02 AM

Gonz: GAT_00: Yeah, this is going to bomb.

Like Schiano bombed with the Bucs?

A good coach is a good coach. Cases in point: The Saints this year. Harbaugh with the Niners. Pete Carroll's Trollhawks. Jeff Fischer's Rams.

Coaches matter.


Fischer should be coach of the year. That's an amazing turn around without a massive infusion of talent. Titans really screwed the pooch on that one.

GAT_00: But Cleveland does not out-talent it's opponents, and hurry up does not frighten an NFL team. In short, the three keys to Kelly's success are about to be reduced to half a key. I'm unconvinced he is all that good of a coach.


1. The Patriots will occasionally run a very up tempo offense that is supremely terrifying. And the easy reply to this is $BrownsQB is not Tom Brady. But the truth is he doesn't have to be, look at how the Patriots assembled their offense. Insufficently protected Welker, 2 athletic TEs, able journeymen undervalued by other teams. If reports about Kelly and the Browns are accurate the Browns may exploit similarly underappreciated talents via....

2. Football analytics. Measure well, measure often, continually develope a model which is forward looking, then accept the results, seek to understand those results, and interatively improve the system. This will result, necessarily, in the Browns playing a very different brand of football than other teams, college included. But if they stick with this, and put forward the resources sufficent to unearth its potential, Kelly's college experience and NFL experiece will be irrelevent. This will necessarily result in the Browns being able to create steals in free agency, the draft, and in the game via gameplan and situational decisions like going on it on 4th and 3 from the opposing 40. A successful model will produce more points per salary cap dollar.

3. This isn't so crazy! There are a number of instances that illustrate how inefficent the NFL really is a adapting to the availability of talent, and applying that to generate wins in an ever evolving league. The Tampa 2 scheme was a method of spending less while getting an better performing defence, particularly given popular changes in offense. The 3-4 was a similar attempt to get more value out of athletes underappreciated in traditional defenses. This perhaps necessitated the development of zone pressure concepts which are in use everywhere. The extent to which the Patriots have reinvented themselves could probably be the subject of a doctoral dissertation in economics. And of late, the power run based concepts of the 49ers, and the completely ridiculous success of the Seahawks evaluating defensive backs are particularly instructive. The league in many cases continues to chase already established revelations such as LeBeau's zone pressure concepts or The Patriot Way where a franchise continually reinvents itself depending on where it can find the most value.

4. If we accept that Kelly is a smart person, knows other smart and talented people, and is an able motivator of young men, then an interative system would seem likely to bear fruit if the Browns can make it through the hard times. Given the Browns history, the question becomes one commitment rather than endurance.

Even if it doesn't work, for a few years they may well be the most interesting team in the NFL.
 
2013-01-05 03:41:00 AM

Speaker2Animals: And Weeden himself said last week he didn't think he could run a zone read offense


He's said a couple of times he was joking at that. But I'd trust both Colt McCoy and Thad Lewis with a Kelly offense more than Weeden, since it prioritizes mobility over even arm strength. Hell, I'd probably trust Josh Cribbs with it more.
 
2013-01-05 04:08:44 AM
i do think the blur could be interesting in the nfl, but how will he recruit without all those nike whore dollars flowing into cleveland?
 
2013-01-05 04:31:19 AM

A Fark Handle: i do think the blur could be interesting in the nfl, but how will he recruit without all those nike whore dollars flowing into cleveland?


mimg.ugo.com


Of course The Blur would cut it in the NFL.

/hot like the red sun of Krypton
 
2013-01-05 06:45:10 AM
Prediction: Kelly burns out in 2 years in cleveland. Because it's f*cking cleveland. Then, Kelly gets hired at USC when Kiffin gets canned and returns that program to dominance, winning a couple titles.
 
2013-01-05 06:51:49 AM

Chupacabra Sandwich: Prediction: Kelly burns out in 2 years in cleveland. Because it's f*cking cleveland. Then, Kelly gets hired at USC when Kiffin gets canned and returns that program to dominance, winning a couple titles.


That would stir up all kinds of PAC12 trouble. Phil Knight might just have him trussed up and sent to a shoe factory in Vietnam.
 
2013-01-05 07:16:34 AM

mitchcumstein1: Man, I thought he'd be crazy to leave Oregon, the NCAA hammer must be coming down.


I have a co-worker who's son is - or until recently, was - on the team, and she confirms that the NCAA is coming down on Oregon soon. Luckily he's a senior, but since he's off the team for academic reasons and out of school for the same, this is a problem for him. I truly doubt he'll make an NFL team, so he needs to fall back on his schooling, and that's out the window right now.

Anyway, Kelly is pulling a Pete Carroll, and getting out before the hammer falls. He could do worse than end up in Cleveland.
 
2013-01-05 07:48:13 AM
Will he insist on having literal turds on the new shoulder pad design?
 
2013-01-05 07:50:48 AM

Harry_Seldon: Rodeodoc: But if he has Tim Tebow.... Mighty Timmy..... he'll have a championship year.

Am I the only person who enjoyed watching Tebow lead the Denver Broncos to the playoffs last year? It was never pretty, but it was some of the most entertaining football I have seen in years. Denver may have went 12-3 with Robot Manning at the helm, but it was not nearly as entertaining.


i think most people enjoyed it, it's just that most probably didn't think it would last... ya know, flash in the pan, once in a lifetime kind of thing
 
2013-01-05 08:13:11 AM
Browns had great success with college coaches look, how Chris Palmer and Butch Davis worked out.
 
2013-01-05 08:35:19 AM
Google be trolling:
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And this is largely a repost of something I put on r/NFL the other day, but it's worth copypasting parts of it.

It's always a serious gamble taking a big-time college coach with no NFL experience. The last few years are littered with really good (and some debatably good) college coaches who were disasters in the NFL: Saban, Petrino, Kiffin, Spurrier, Mike Riley, and Butch Davis all come to mind.

Here are the Super Bowl-winning coaches since 1996 (post-Jimmy Johnson/Barry Switzer Super Bowl runs):

Mike Holmgren: Bill Walsh progeny.
Mike Shanahan: Offensive assistant for the Broncos, 49ers, and Raiders Head Coach before taking the Denver HC job in 1995.
Dick Vermeil: Former Eagles head coach.
Brian Billick: Vikings offensive coordinator in the 90s.
Bill Belichick: Bill Parcells' defensive coordinator, then head coach of the Browns.
Jon Gruden: A Walsh/Holmgren disciple in San Fran and Green Bay.
Bill Cowher: Marty Schottenheimer's defensive coordinator in Cleveland in the 80s.
Tony Dungy: Assistant coach in Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and Minnesota before taking the Tampa and then the Indy jobs.
Tom Coughlin: Now we get a coach with some college prestige, but Coughlin spent just as much time in the NFL before getting his first HC job in Jacksonville - and won a super bowl with Parcells in 1990.
Mike Tomlin: Coached Gruden's DBs the year Tampa won the Super Bowl, was the Vikings DC when the Rooneys hired him.
Sean Payton: QB coach under Andy Reid and Jim Fassel, he got his big break when Parcells' made him his offensive coordinator. (And by the way, give this man his due as an OC; he got 3 straight 3,000-yard seasons out of 3 different QBs - Quincy Carter, Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe)
Mike McCarthy: Another Holmgren disciple.


And there are a couple of relatively successful college coaches in the league right now:

Pete Carroll is more of a pro coach than a college coach, because USC was his first college coaching job since 1984, and he made a name for himself first as an NFL head coach.

This leaves Jim Harbaugh and Greg Schiano. Harbaugh has done really well with the 49ers after coming in from Stanford, but he had a lot of experience as a journeyman QB in the NFL. Schiano wasn't terrible this season, and he's probably got the least NFL experience of any NFL head coach right now (three years as a defensive assistant in Chicago in the mid- to late-90s).
 
2013-01-05 09:00:49 AM

IlGreven: Speaker2Animals: And Weeden himself said last week he didn't think he could run a zone read offense

He's said a couple of times he was joking at that. But I'd trust both Colt McCoy and Thad Lewis with a Kelly offense more than Weeden, since it prioritizes mobility over even arm strength. Hell, I'd probably trust Josh Cribbs with it more.


Unless/until they draft another QB McCoy is now #1 on the depth chart.
 
2013-01-05 09:26:21 AM
Oh Cleveland, you're the Browniest.
 
2013-01-05 09:38:29 AM
If he does end up with the Browns (it would be so Cleveland for Philly or Buffalo to steal him), at the very least he's an upgrade over ShurDurr.

Chip may flop, he may excel, but no matter what it will be entertaining.
 
2013-01-05 09:46:26 AM
High risk, high reward. I get the criticisms, but it wasn't like it was a vast ocean of options out there. From all accounts, Kelly has a good head on his shoulders, let's see how this plays out first. At the very least, the Browns will be running a true pro offense for the first time since Lindy Infante.
 
2013-01-05 10:10:23 AM
Here comes Tebow!
 
2013-01-05 10:17:37 AM
Not sure of all the inner office goings-on, but I was half hoping that the reason they let Holmgren go was so that he would be available for the coaching position. He did say he hadn't ruled out a return to coaching.
 
2013-01-05 10:23:45 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: High risk, high reward. I get the criticisms, but it wasn't like it was a vast ocean of options out there. From all accounts, Kelly has a good head on his shoulders, let's see how this plays out first. At the very least, the Browns will be running a true pro offense for the first time since Lindy Infante.


GAH,

Just when I think I have finally managed to block that hurtful name from my mind, someone HAS to bring him up!

*shakes Green and Gold tiny fist in rage
 
2013-01-05 10:33:21 AM

ThoughtSpy: Not sure of all the inner office goings-on, but I was half hoping that the reason they let Holmgren go was so that he would be available for the coaching position. He did say he hadn't ruled out a return to coaching

cashing paychecks.

FTFY.

Clinton was President when Holmgren peaked.
 
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