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2013-01-04 11:26:16 PM  

publikenemy: I say we ban banning. That way if nothing can be banned, then everything is a go and people can just fight it out rumble style to settle their petty differences. As long as only fists and chains are allowed..

/but nobody better start a rumble without Dallas


Stay gold
 
2013-01-04 11:26:47 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: KawaiiNot: Christians just jelly cause they don't have cool hats to wear like all the other religions. Maybe they could make the fez required wear?

Jelly? This was covered recently in another Fark thread. You need to be killed. Seriously.

/I keep keed
//maybe


er...
 
2013-01-04 11:29:07 PM  
European Christians put about six million jews in ovens last century, in the name of "god and country." At the orders of a leader who declared himself to be following god's orders. I think christians can just shut the fark up and stop their god damn ceaseless whining.
 
2013-01-04 11:29:44 PM  

simsite9: Well, the school is a public venue that can't discriminate against religion, whereas when you're an employee, a manager certainly has the leeway to tell you what you may or may not wear.

This is similar to Sarah Palin claiming FOX won't let her say whatever she wants, and claiming violation of her First Amendment rights.  When the government tells you to shut up. that's illegal.  When your boss tells you, you can shut up, or quit.


Damn! Not only did you not RTFA, but you didn't even read the first word of the thread title. This is in England. They don't HAVE a 1st Amendment. The DO have an official government religion.

You're an idiot.
 
2013-01-04 11:31:18 PM  

Friction8r: All atheists suck ass. Rot in hell ya losers. And quit taking government handouts.


Now here's what I don't get. Liberals are the ones that push laws banning discrimination, and conservatives are the ones that fellate job-creators and the 'right to work'. Which is it, Republicans? Can you be fired for wearing a cross or not? Or is it only discrimination when you're the ones being discriminated against? How's it feel?
 
2013-01-04 11:31:18 PM  

mbillips: People need to chill on the regulatin' what other people wear, BUT.

A girl going to her local school, wearing clothing mandated by her religious sect, is not the same as an adult going to the workplace with a jewelry affectation NOT mandated by her religious sect. The kid really doesn't have a lot of choice about where she goes to school, or about wearing the hijab, while the grownup Christian can work elsewhere or leave the plus sign at home with no consequences except to her widdle feewings.

I lean toward the Muslims here, despite being constantly offended by the unstated insinuation that I am a slavering rapist kept at bay only because they conceal their hair from me.


Islamic sects have vastly differing definitions of 'Hijab' that range from wearing a portable tent to wearing jeans and long sleeve shirts. Allowing any Muslim to set their own standard while determining standards for Christians based on a single court determined criteria is a terrible idea that ends up going straight to BNP recruitment drives.
 
2013-01-04 11:33:11 PM  

cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?


He's a smart Atheist, so he doesn't need to. Something about osmosis and Silva Mind Control, or something...

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2013-01-04 11:36:41 PM  

sunlion: European Christians put about six million jews in ovens last century, in the name of "god and country." At the orders of a leader who declared himself to be following god's orders. I think christians can just shut the fark up and stop their god damn ceaseless whining.


This. We've been letting Christians shiat up western civilization long enough. Everything they touch turns to shiat. There is nothing a Christian can't pervert to evil.
 
2013-01-04 11:38:57 PM  
I don't care to be smarter than anyone, actually.

I teach, you?
 
2013-01-04 11:40:52 PM  

ghare: Awww, is somebody pissing their pants over Muslims again? What a bunch of pansies.


You know, historically, all revolutionary movements generally kill off their Useful Idiots that helped expedite the takeover, right after they take power. If/when that happens with radical Islam, I'll sit back and laugh and laugh and laugh.
 
2013-01-04 11:43:50 PM  

uttertosh: cman: If they want to liberate women,

point missed entirely. Nothing to do with women's lib. Everything to do with not allowing religious beliefs to interfere with non-segregation in the education system.

Want something to get annoyed at for real? The allowance for state-funded Roman-Catholic only schools. Now that's utterly disgusting, and completely unconstitutional. (yes, the UK has a constitution.)


errr... no, they don't. Link
 
2013-01-04 11:44:38 PM  

NormallyTechnos: Friction8r: All atheists suck ass. Rot in hell ya losers. And quit taking government handouts.

Now here's what I don't get. Liberals are the ones that push laws banning discrimination, and conservatives are the ones that fellate job-creators and the 'right to work'. Which is it, Republicans? Can you be fired for wearing a cross or not? Or is it only discrimination when you're the ones being discriminated against? How's it feel?


Wow! Thanks for that! I'm not ye on ignore by all the flaming, gutless libs. How does it feel to have your "social safety net" put our country 16 farking TRILLIoN dollars in debt, and create a system where the welfare sucking leaches would rather not work when they can take free money from a system you idiotic, naive and economically clueless libs have created in effort to crash a capitalist society?? The Lord helps those who help themselves!
 
2013-01-04 11:45:52 PM  
Hijabs are not signs of oppression. If you really think that, you haven't studied Islam in any detail or talked to a Muslim women about them. Wearing a scarf is completely up to the woman. Men cannot force their wives or daughters to wear them. If he does, that's abuse. All too often, people see the abusive Muslim men and just assume that it's that way across the entire Muslim world.

I have a friend who covers and works as a mediator, and she's told a lot, "This is America, you don't have to wear that." Her response is, "I know I don't have to wear it, but I want to. Nuns wear a veil. Mary, the mother of Jesus, wore a veil. Why is it bad for me to wear it?"

I know many women who cover, and some who don't. A friend of my husband has a teenaged daughter who has decided not wear one. He and his wife are a little sad that that's what she's decided, but they're not going to force her or kick her out of their house or anything like that.
 
2013-01-04 11:47:05 PM  
If an institution does not make allowances for Rastafarians to smoke dope then how do you expect them to react to any other religious bullshiat.
Oh, a religous hat? Bullshiat!
A religious necklace? Bullshiat!
A religious sandwich? farking Bullshiat!
 
2013-01-04 11:49:26 PM  
Here's an idea: Why doesn't everyone mind their own business? Does what somebody wears on their body affect you? No? Then STFU.

If someone wears a certain piece of jewelry, does it affect what goes on in YOUR HEAD? No? Then shut up. If someone wears a scarf, does it affect what goes on in YOUR HEAD? Or if they prefer to work or not work on a certain day? Or have a picture of someone or something on their desk? Does it affect how YOU have to think? If not....

And if you're the one who wears the jewelry or the scarf or has the picture on your desk; here's an idea: Keep your mouth shut about it. You're wearing a scarf or a t-shaped object around your neck. Fine. I don't need to know any more about it than that. Does what I think about it affect anything in YOUR life? No? Then.....

And insofar as what people did to each other 1500 years ago, or 50, or even 5, again: Does that affect how you and I interact with each other on a daily basis, or how we make widgets or talk on the phone? If not, then....

Why is that such a hard concept for people to master? Wear your cross or your hijab if it makes you happy; I could care less. I'm going to have a naked picture of some guy on my desk and that will make me happy as long as you don't argue about it. I won't ask you to look at it. Do your job, I'll do mine. It does not matter that the Christians massacred the Moslems in the 3d Crusade or that the Nazis burned the Jews, at least not here and now in the office. Do your job and mind your business, okay?
 
2013-01-04 11:50:52 PM  
It is a shame that the hijab has such a strong negative connotation (islam, oppression of women, and all that) because I think that they can be very fashionable, and even quite sexy. I, for one, would like to see more women wearing them. I am not saying that they should be worn every day, but they could be a nice addition to a woman's wardrobe.
 
2013-01-04 11:51:58 PM  
So goes the cowing of Europe to the extremists.

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2013-01-04 11:53:40 PM  

TheWhoppah: A religious sandwich? farking Bullshiat!


I'm gonna have to stop you right there. A well executed philly is a thing that will inspire faith. Don't get me started on the pepper steak sammich at the local diner. You don't know the divine until you've experienced the Elkins's Lodge pepper stake sauce.
 
2013-01-04 11:55:57 PM  

Inhalien: So goes the cowing of Europe to the extremists.


Nice! The flaming libs absolutely salivate for the same thing to happen in America! Part of their modus operandi. And they want to take our guns??
 
2013-01-04 11:58:07 PM  

bump: True Christians wouldn't give a flying fark about wearing a symbol or otherwise proclaiming their theological status - they'd simply live the life, walk the walk and such. It's the self-rightous pious asslickers that screw up any belief system basically. Avoid zealots, they tend to be humorless, judgmental and hypocritical beyond reality.

/stopping going to church as of this week for these very reasons. My 'religion' is kindness and understanding. Labels be damned (literally).


Pretty much this.

I've had a little rule that has held me in good stead for 40+ years: Never hire a contractor who has a Jesus Fish on his truck or clothing. They are almost invariably liars, cheats and thieves. They use their "devoutness" as a cover much as an anglerfish uses their pole as a lure.
2.bp.blogspot.com
People that wear their religion (or their politics) on their sleeve are not to be trusted.
An actual cool story:

The most honest and honorable man I ever knew totally avoided all talk of religion, even to the extent of not sharing what his beliefs were. Long ago I was involved in an 8 figure business deal and this guy, through a series of screw-ups by the attorneys on our end, ended up legally holding the "hammer." An overlooked loophole would have allowed him to have it all. He was aware of it - his attorney said so. But he went through the transaction fair and square. There was a mutually profitable relationship for the next decade.

About 5 years later (15 after the deal) I found out the guy had been a Satanist for the last 30 years....
 
2013-01-04 11:59:46 PM  

Friction8r: How does it feel to have your "social safety net" put our country 16 farking TRILLIoN dollars in debt, and create a system where the welfare sucking leaches would rather not work when they can take free money from a system you idiotic, naive and economically clueless libs have created in effort to crash a capitalist society?? The Lord helps those who help themselves!


It's not the social safety net. Have you seen how much money we've been blowing on bullshiat wars, defense projects the military doesn't even want, and taking your shoes off at the airport? About $1.2 trillion dollars. Just last year.
 
2013-01-05 12:00:41 AM  

ChuDogg: The only practical solution to these race and cultural problems is to increase non-white immigration until whites are no longer a viable majority. Preferably even asked to assimilate into the culture of non-white immigrant populations. I congratulate the author of this article for "stepping up" but now he needs to "step back". While we may agree with his opinion, too long faces of his complexion have dominated the debate and historically as led to oppression and biased politics and sciences. Soon he will one day be a minority and no the true meaning of social justice.


Or they could all just be put into camps and killed.....
 
2013-01-05 12:03:41 AM  

mbillips: People need to chill on the regulatin' what other people wear, BUT.

A girl going to her local school, wearing clothing mandated by her religious sect, is not the same as an adult going to the workplace with a jewelry affectation NOT mandated by her religious sect. The kid really doesn't have a lot of choice about where she goes to school, or about wearing the hijab, while the grownup Christian can work elsewhere or leave the plus sign at home with no consequences except to her widdle feewings.

I lean toward the Muslims here, despite being constantly offended by the unstated insinuation that I am a slavering rapist kept at bay only because they conceal their hair from me.


Actually, I think the assumption (by Muslims) is that is the MUSLIM men who are the slavering rapists. That, and that the woman are all total sluts.
 
2013-01-05 12:04:36 AM  

Mattyb710: cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?

I did. Please explain to me how a Hijab, which is a requirement of the Muslim faith, is the same as a cross, which some people simply choose to wear.


Millions and millions of muslim women don't wear the hijab. The only people who believe that it is a requirement of their faith are pro-Taliban.

I note from your Fark profile you live in Florida. I hope the FBI is monitoring this thread. You're a terrorist sympathiser.
 
2013-01-05 12:05:38 AM  

Aussie_As: Mattyb710: cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?

I did. Please explain to me how a Hijab, which is a requirement of the Muslim faith, is the same as a cross, which some people simply choose to wear.

Millions and millions of muslim women don't wear the hijab. The only people who believe that it is a requirement of their faith are pro-Taliban.

I note from your Fark profile you live in Florida. I hope the FBI is monitoring this thread. You're a terrorist sympathiser.


*)
 
2013-01-05 12:07:23 AM  
Hijabs are cultural, not religious. They existed before Islam, for most of the same reasons they exist today - modesty of the woman.

While crosses also existed before Christianity, they weren't worn as tawdry ornamentation, and as worn symbolism, they are inherently religious.

See? That's not so hard to understand.
 
2013-01-05 12:08:19 AM  

Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mattyb710: cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?

I did. Please explain to me how a Hijab, which is a requirement of the Muslim faith, is the same as a cross, which some people simply choose to wear.

Millions and millions of muslim women don't wear the hijab. The only people who believe that it is a requirement of their faith are pro-Taliban.

I note from your Fark profile you live in Florida. I hope the FBI is monitoring this thread. You're a terrorist sympathiser.

*)


To deFBIilate any t-duh.

P.S. The FBI wouldn't touch me with a ten-foot pole, so please take my comment as jokingly jesting, see?
 
2013-01-05 12:09:18 AM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mattyb710: cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?

I did. Please explain to me how a Hijab, which is a requirement of the Muslim faith, is the same as a cross, which some people simply choose to wear.

Millions and millions of muslim women don't wear the hijab. The only people who believe that it is a requirement of their faith are pro-Taliban.

I note from your Fark profile you live in Florida. I hope the FBI is monitoring this thread. You're a terrorist sympathiser.

*)

To deFBIilate any t-duh.

P.S. The FBI wouldn't touch me with a ten-foot pole, so please take my comment as jokingly jesting, see?


P.P.S. To pariah
 
2013-01-05 12:09:36 AM  
The only way to make everything 100% fair is to force all students to attend naked.
 
2013-01-05 12:10:43 AM  
if the nazis were still around i wonder what they would think of radical islam ..... same enemy but i could see them going at each other
 
2013-01-05 12:11:46 AM  
I worship JFK so I wear this necklace:
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2013-01-05 12:12:07 AM  
Dated an Iranian girl in college - very quietly. She had cousins at the university.

She would take off the hijab as soon as we got out of town headed for my family's lake house for the weekend and not put it back on until Sunday evening when returning to school. Only reason she wore it was because if she did not, her cousins would either beat her up or call home and tell her folks. Then they would have sent someone over to take her home and they would have beaten her there. She hated the rules imposed under Islam, but did not dare speak out against them. She was very intelligent and wound up marrying a guy from Brazil where she could get escape beyond the reach of her family.

Do not assume all who weare the hijab like it.

But if a kid's family wants a kid to wear one to school, why not? Same with the crucifix jewelry - why not? Who the hell is it offending?
 
2013-01-05 12:12:23 AM  

s2s2s2: 0Icky0: In a cult, the people at the top know that it is a scam.
In a religion, those people have died off.


Which makes some "religions" such as Scientology particularly fascinating. Scientology has already had its schism, with the hardliners (scammers) at the top retaining control of the Church. But a loose coalition of at least 40-50 groups around the country operate in an underground manner, proselytizing, and not charging the "new blood" for attaining various levels of "clear."
 
2013-01-05 12:15:31 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: He's a smart Atheist, so he doesn't need to. Something about osmosis and Silva Mind Control, or something...


You know ... every time you repeat that 'atheism is a religion' idiocy you prove we are smarter than you.

/do you really enjoy being considered as stupid as letrole?
 
2013-01-05 12:21:03 AM  

Farking Canuck: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: He's a smart Atheist, so he doesn't need to. Something about osmosis and Silva Mind Control, or something...

You know ... every time you repeat that 'atheism is a religion' idiocy you prove we are smarter than you.

/do you really enjoy being considered as stupid as letrole?


I just presumed he was a letrole alt. Or a modmin.
 
2013-01-05 12:24:09 AM  

MerelyFoolish: Dated an Iranian girl in college - very quietly. She had cousins at the university.

She would take off the hijab as soon as we got out of town headed for my family's lake house for the weekend and not put it back on until Sunday evening when returning to school. Only reason she wore it was because if she did not, her cousins would either beat her up or call home and tell her folks. Then they would have sent someone over to take her home and they would have beaten her there. She hated the rules imposed under Islam, but did not dare speak out against them. She was very intelligent and wound up marrying a guy from Brazil where she could get escape beyond the reach of her family.

Do not assume all who weare the hijab like it.

But if a kid's family wants a kid to wear one to school, why not? Same with the crucifix jewelry - why not? Who the hell is it offending?


Wait, so you admit some hijab-wearing women are pressured into it, you sympathise with the women involved, then you leave the decision up to the "kid's family wants a kid to wear one"? That's farked dude. It's not about what a family wants. It's about what the individual woman wants. You sound like you feel your ex-girlfriends cousins were right and she was wrong. That's appalling.
 
2013-01-05 12:27:46 AM  

sunlion: European Christians put about six million jews in ovens last century, in the name of "god and country." At the orders of a leader who declared himself to be following god's orders. I think christians can just shut the fark up and stop their god damn ceaseless whining.


Lol. No hate like Anti-Christian hate.
 
2013-01-05 12:32:14 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bump: True Christians wouldn't give a flying fark about wearing a symbol or otherwise proclaiming their theological status - they'd simply live the life, walk the walk and such. It's the self-rightous pious asslickers that screw up any belief system basically. Avoid zealots, they tend to be humorless, judgmental and hypocritical beyond reality.

/stopping going to church as of this week for these very reasons. My 'religion' is kindness and understanding. Labels be damned (literally).

Pretty much this.

I've had a little rule that has held me in good stead for 40+ years: Never hire a contractor who has a Jesus Fish on his truck or clothing. They are almost invariably liars, cheats and thieves. They use their "devoutness" as a cover much as an anglerfish uses their pole as a lure.

People that wear their religion (or their politics) on their sleeve are not to be trusted.
An actual cool story:

The most honest and honorable man I ever knew totally avoided all talk of religion, even to the extent of not sharing what his beliefs were. Long ago I was involved in an 8 figure business deal and this guy, through a series of screw-ups by the attorneys on our end, ended up legally holding the "hammer." An overlooked loophole would have allowed him to have it all. He was aware of it - his attorney said so. But he went through the transaction fair and square. There was a mutually profitable relationship for the next decade.

About 5 years later (15 after the deal) I found out the guy had been a Satanist for the last 30 years....


Oh, wow. You had me until the satanist thing.

No, no, that's not true. I knew you were full or shiat at "eight figures" combined with "loophole where he could have it all".
 
2013-01-05 12:34:29 AM  

neongoats: sunlion: European Christians put about six million jews in ovens last century, in the name of "god and country." At the orders of a leader who declared himself to be following god's orders. I think christians can just shut the fark up and stop their god damn ceaseless whining.

This. We've been letting Christians shiat up western civilization long enough. Everything they touch turns to shiat. There is nothing a Christian can't pervert to evil.


Holy cripes, am I the only non-troll in this thread?!?

Goodnight.
 
2013-01-05 12:35:49 AM  
Shhhh, don't rile up the filthy islamists, they'll cut off more heads.
 
2013-01-05 12:37:13 AM  

Farking Canuck: He's a smart Atheist, so he doesn't need to. Something about osmosis and Silva Mind Control, or something...

You know ... every time you repeat that 'atheism is a religion' idiocy you prove we are smarter than you.

/do you really enjoy being considered as stupid as letrole?

Where did I say that? Please be specific.

(Do you always debate by putting words into other people's mouths?)
 
2013-01-05 12:40:29 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: sunlion: European Christians put about six million jews in ovens last century, in the name of "god and country." At the orders of a leader who declared himself to be following god's orders. I think christians can just shut the fark up and stop their god damn ceaseless whining.

Lol. No hate like Anti-Christian hate.


That's true, but no one loads Jews into ovens by the pitchfork-full like Christians. Except maybe the Khmer Rouge. The Romans had some smart ideas, like persecuting Christians and making them live in the sewers. They stopped and look what we got, a dark age filled with Christian barbarity, pogroms, genocides, witch hunts.
 
2013-01-05 12:48:46 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bump: True Christians wouldn't give a flying fark about wearing a symbol or otherwise proclaiming their theological status - they'd simply live the life, walk the walk and such. It's the self-rightous pious asslickers that screw up any belief system basically. Avoid zealots, they tend to be humorless, judgmental and hypocritical beyond reality.

/stopping going to church as of this week for these very reasons. My 'religion' is kindness and understanding. Labels be damned (literally).

Pretty much this.

I've had a little rule that has held me in good stead for 40+ years: Never hire a contractor who has a Jesus Fish on his truck or clothing. They are almost invariably liars, cheats and thieves. They use their "devoutness" as a cover much as an anglerfish uses their pole as a lure.

People that wear their religion (or their politics) on their sleeve are not to be trusted.
An actual cool story:

The most honest and honorable man I ever knew totally avoided all talk of religion, even to the extent of not sharing what his beliefs were. Long ago I was involved in an 8 figure business deal and this guy, through a series of screw-ups by the attorneys on our end, ended up legally holding the "hammer." An overlooked loophole would have allowed him to have it all. He was aware of it - his attorney said so. But he went through the transaction fair and square. There was a mutually profitable relationship for the next decade.

About 5 years later (15 after the deal) I found out the guy had been a Satanist for the last 30 years....

Oh, wow. You had me until the satanist thing.

No, no, that's not true. I knew you were full or shiat at "eight figures" combined with "loophole where he could have it all".


Really? Why? An 8 figure range is 10 to 99 million. That's chickenfeed these days. It was pretty much chickenfeed 15 years ago. And, yes, "captains of industry" and hot shot lawyers occasionally fark up just like the rest of us. And, yes, because someone didn't due a due diligence search well enough, one certain patented process (among many) was not specifically included in the purchase document, which would have left "our" side with an essentially useless acquisition and the seller with the only thing of real value in the deal - that one patented process.

The guy called us up and told us his attorney would be by with a revised purchase document, which included the process.

So why do you have a problem with that?
 
2013-01-05 12:50:06 AM  
All people should have the right to be wrong! If christians want to wear stupid jewelry glorifying a genocidal maniac, let them go for it! If muslim women want to wear ninja masks to glorify the same genocidal maniac, that's fine too! Both of their bibles (I.E. the same bible + or - 1 book) say that women are inferior anyway, so it really seems like christians should get behind the whole sexism thing a lot more.

/of course, we should all also have the right to call people out on their wrongness
 
2013-01-05 12:59:19 AM  

neongoats: Debeo Summa Credo: sunlion: European Christians put about six million jews in ovens last century, in the name of "god and country." At the orders of a leader who declared himself to be following god's orders. I think christians can just shut the fark up and stop their god damn ceaseless whining.

Lol. No hate like Anti-Christian hate.

That's true, but no one loads Jews into ovens by the pitchfork-full like Christians. Except maybe the Khmer Rouge. The Romans had some smart ideas, like persecuting Christians and making them live in the sewers. They stopped and look what we got, a dark age filled with Christian barbarity, pogroms, genocides, witch hunts.


This seems true, although the ancient Egyptians appear to have given it a go. When it comes to any persecution of any religion, the only "atheist empire" which ever persecuted religious folk was the communists, who were blindly and (effectively) religiously following an ideology every bit as stupid as religion itself.

So, communism (which itself was more a religion than most political beliefs) excepted, I think religious people have nothing to fear of atheists. I really wish this applied the other way around. Sadly not in many parts of the planet.
 
2013-01-05 01:00:25 AM  
This is not the same thing. While I personally think hijabs are silly, I understand that they are a form of modesty. That is very different than a symbol of faith. If you don't believe me, see how many schools in the West assign girls to the 'Skins' team in gym class. You will, however, see most schools telling everyone to take off their jewelry during gym class so god doesn't smite them.

While I actually support (and am lucky enough to live in a state where it's technically legal) women's right to go topless (sadly, aside from a few pregnant women nursing the promise of freedom is under used) I would not ever require a woman to remove her shirt to enter a building (although I have thought about instituting that rule in my bedroom! (Yuck, you have to walk through my bedroom to get to the bathroom. I think my mom was the last women in my bedroom. So much for that idea.)

Now, all that said, I'd adopt the same stance towards a Muslim woman who wanted to remove her hajab as I would a woman who wanted to remove her top in public. If it's somewhere where it's acceptable for a man to go topless, a woman should be able to also, and if it's somewhere where a man can go with his head uncovered, a Muslim woman should have that choice. I reserve the right to ask her to show me her head for a free t-shirt though. :)

The only caution I would interject, is that I do think, just like our topless laws, that the hijab is, ultimately more often a form of suppression than empowerment. While accepting it in legal practice, I do think it's something that shouldn't ever be enforced on someone who doesn't want to wear it. That practice is all to common in the Muslim world. Of course, we do the same thing with boobies, so let's not get preachy about it.
 
2013-01-05 01:06:44 AM  

starsrift: they weren't worn as tawdry ornamentation, and as


you mean before Christians decided to ignore their Bible and worship the idol of the cross?
 
2013-01-05 01:09:11 AM  

Aussie_As: MerelyFoolish: Dated an Iranian girl in college - very quietly. She had cousins at the university.

She would take off the hijab as soon as we got out of town headed for my family's lake house for the weekend and not put it back on until Sunday evening when returning to school. Only reason she wore it was because if she did not, her cousins would either beat her up or call home and tell her folks. Then they would have sent someone over to take her home and they would have beaten her there. She hated the rules imposed under Islam, but did not dare speak out against them. She was very intelligent and wound up marrying a guy from Brazil where she could get escape beyond the reach of her family.

Do not assume all who weare the hijab like it.

But if a kid's family wants a kid to wear one to school, why not? Same with the crucifix jewelry - why not? Who the hell is it offending?

Wait, so you admit some hijab-wearing women are pressured into it, you sympathise with the women involved, then you leave the decision up to the "kid's family wants a kid to wear one"? That's farked dude. It's not about what a family wants. It's about what the individual woman wants. You sound like you feel your ex-girlfriends cousins were right and she was wrong. That's appalling.



Well if it is a "kid" it is not a woman, but a girl. Children do not typically have the same rights as adults do. Now if you want to talk about the indoctrination into the religion then we could talk.
 
2013-01-05 01:14:43 AM  
Because your job is not the same as being a student in a school. Now stfu about not being able to wear your gaudy jewelry and gbtw.
 
2013-01-05 01:19:21 AM  

thaylin: Aussie_As: MerelyFoolish: Dated an Iranian girl in college - very quietly. She had cousins at the university.

She would take off the hijab as soon as we got out of town headed for my family's lake house for the weekend and not put it back on until Sunday evening when returning to school. Only reason she wore it was because if she did not, her cousins would either beat her up or call home and tell her folks. Then they would have sent someone over to take her home and they would have beaten her there. She hated the rules imposed under Islam, but did not dare speak out against them. She was very intelligent and wound up marrying a guy from Brazil where she could get escape beyond the reach of her family.

Do not assume all who weare the hijab like it.

But if a kid's family wants a kid to wear one to school, why not? Same with the crucifix jewelry - why not? Who the hell is it offending?

Wait, so you admit some hijab-wearing women are pressured into it, you sympathise with the women involved, then you leave the decision up to the "kid's family wants a kid to wear one"? That's farked dude. It's not about what a family wants. It's about what the individual woman wants. You sound like you feel your ex-girlfriends cousins were right and she was wrong. That's appalling.


Well if it is a "kid" it is not a woman, but a girl. Children do not typically have the same rights as adults do. Now if you want to talk about the indoctrination into the religion then we could talk.


thaylin: Aussie_As: MerelyFoolish: Dated an Iranian girl in college - very quietly. She had cousins at the university.

She would take off the hijab as soon as we got out of town headed for my family's lake house for the weekend and not put it back on until Sunday evening when returning to school. Only reason she wore it was because if she did not, her cousins would either beat her up or call home and tell her folks. Then they would have sent someone over to take her home and they would have beaten her there. She hated the rules imposed under Islam, but did not dare speak out against them. She was very intelligent and wound up marrying a guy from Brazil where she could get escape beyond the reach of her family.

Do not assume all who weare the hijab like it.

But if a kid's family wants a kid to wear one to school, why not? Same with the crucifix jewelry - why not? Who the hell is it offending?

Wait, so you admit some hijab-wearing women are pressured into it, you sympathise with the women involved, then you leave the decision up to the "kid's family wants a kid to wear one"? That's farked dude. It's not about what a family wants. It's about what the individual woman wants. You sound like you feel your ex-girlfriends cousins were right and she was wrong. That's appalling.


Well if it is a "kid" it is not a woman, but a girl. Children do not typically have the same rights as adults do. Now if you want to talk about the indoctrination into the religion then we could talk.


Girls don't wear hijabs. Young women do. Technically they're not adults hence my reference to kids, but they're certainly old enough to make their own decisions and have those decisions respected (except by lunatics who will never respect those decisions because of their own disgusting prejudices).

If you're old enough to wear a hijab, you're old enough to have a say in this. It's your right.
 
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