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(Telegraph)   England: the legal reason we stop Christians from wearing crosses, but not Muslims from wearing hijabs is SHUT UP AND DO WHAT WE SAY   (blogs.telegraph.co.uk) divider line 284
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2013-01-04 07:20:53 PM
I'm 100% okay with them wearing crosses. I'll even pass the hat to help buy the tools to help speed up the wearing process.
 
2013-01-04 07:25:48 PM
In imperial Rome, cross wears you!
 
2013-01-04 07:26:43 PM
A nine-year-old girl from south London has been forbidden from wearing her hijab
[...]
Which leads us to draw the inevitable comparison to
[...]
the Christian Baptist who was sacked for refusing to work

These two things do seem identical.
 
2013-01-04 07:34:43 PM
all religions and their associated practices are loony
 
2013-01-04 07:42:30 PM
Christians just jelly cause they don't have cool hats to wear like all the other religions. Maybe they could make the fez required wear?
 
2013-01-04 07:53:19 PM

KawaiiNot: Christians just jelly cause they don't have cool hats to wear like all the other religions. Maybe they could make the fez required wear?


Old Catholic women still wear doilies to mass sometimes.
 
2013-01-04 07:59:04 PM
Banning religious articles is asinine. Why they want to take headscarfs away is a misguided policy. If they want to liberate women, then they should give them opportunities to leave their abusive situation. You cannot force someone to be free. Many of these women feel that is their duty by god. shiat like this besoils ones conscience.
 
2013-01-04 08:22:57 PM
Well, the school is a public venue that can't discriminate against religion, whereas when you're an employee, a manager certainly has the leeway to tell you what you may or may not wear.

This is similar to Sarah Palin claiming FOX won't let her say whatever she wants, and claiming violation of her First Amendment rights.  When the government tells you to shut up. that's illegal.  When your boss tells you, you can shut up, or quit.
 
2013-01-04 08:26:06 PM
Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.
 
2013-01-04 08:30:07 PM

Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.


DId you actually read the article?
 
2013-01-04 08:38:44 PM

cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?


Naah... I rarely ever read the articles here. It's safer that way.
 
2013-01-04 08:41:44 PM
Does Todd Starnes know about this?
 
2013-01-04 08:45:19 PM
Awww, is somebody pissing their pants over Muslims again? What a bunch of pansies.
 
2013-01-04 08:48:46 PM
muslim girls who don't wear their head scarfs are sluts. In a good way.
 
2013-01-04 08:49:22 PM

ultraholland: all religions and their associated practices are loony


The only difference between a religion and a cult is size.

/Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, Catholics...
//If you're thinking the ol' Sesame Street game, why?
 
2013-01-04 08:52:28 PM
Wearing a headscarf or a cross is pretty benign. Trying to claim discrimination based on having to work on Sunday is stupid.
 
2013-01-04 08:52:50 PM

cman: If they want to liberate women,


point missed entirely. Nothing to do with women's lib. Everything to do with not allowing religious beliefs to interfere with non-segregation in the education system.

Want something to get annoyed at for real? The allowance for state-funded Roman-Catholic only schools. Now that's utterly disgusting, and completely unconstitutional. (yes, the UK has a constitution.)
 
2013-01-04 08:53:11 PM
Well, I would normally support the vilification of Christians as a matter of moral principle, in the case of religious clothing, adornments, etc, I kind of like being able to spot them.

You know to hold your wallet, guard your beer supply and keep a steady eye on your daughter. First thing you let the Christians around, next thing you know your daughter has run off and your dog is pregnant.
 
2013-01-04 08:53:59 PM

Relatively Obscure: A nine-year-old girl from south London has been forbidden from wearing her hijab
[...]
Which leads us to draw the inevitable comparison to
[...]
the Christian Baptist who was sacked for refusing to work

These two things do seem identical.


That article was the stupidest thing I've read on Fark today.  Stupider than any comment in any Fark thread today.  And that's saying something.
 
2013-01-04 08:54:44 PM

KawaiiNot: Christians just jelly cause they don't have cool hats to wear like all the other religions. Maybe they could make the fez required wear?


What about Catholics and the pope hat?
 
2013-01-04 08:54:48 PM

cman: Vodka Zombie: Please give the persecution bullshiat a rest for a while, Christians. No one believes you anymore, so peddle you lies somewhere else.

DId you actually read the article?


I did. Please explain to me how a Hijab, which is a requirement of the Muslim faith, is the same as a cross, which some people simply choose to wear.
 
2013-01-04 08:54:54 PM

Fart_Machine: Wearing a headscarf or a cross is pretty benign


Not to many people, it's not. Me included. Both are symbols of horrifying oppression.
 
2013-01-04 08:55:18 PM
True Christians wouldn't give a flying fark about wearing a symbol or otherwise proclaiming their theological status - they'd simply live the life, walk the walk and such. It's the self-rightous pious asslickers that screw up any belief system basically. Avoid zealots, they tend to be humorless, judgmental and hypocritical beyond reality.

/stopping going to church as of this week for these very reasons. My 'religion' is kindness and understanding. Labels be damned (literally).
 
2013-01-04 08:55:34 PM

Relatively Obscure: A nine-year-old girl from south London has been forbidden from wearing her hijab
[...]
Which leads us to draw the inevitable comparison to
[...]
the Christian Baptist who was sacked for refusing to work

These two things do seem identical.


Following up to this statement, to state I wholeheartedly agree. Maybe someone has an image macro to abbreviate this sentiment.
 
2013-01-04 08:55:43 PM

IlGreven: The only difference between a religion and a cult is


One follows an unseen super being, and the other follows a living person, or physical object found here on earth.
 
2013-01-04 08:55:52 PM

simsite9: Well, the school is a public venue that can't discriminate against religion, whereas when you're an employee, a manager certainly has the leeway to tell you what you may or may not wear.



Especially if you're a stripper.
 
2013-01-04 08:56:31 PM
I say we ban banning. That way if nothing can be banned, then everything is a go and people can just fight it out rumble style to settle their petty differences. As long as only fists and chains are allowed..

/but nobody better start a rumble without Dallas
 
2013-01-04 08:56:35 PM
The only practical solution to these race and cultural problems is to increase non-white immigration until whites are no longer a viable majority. Preferably even asked to assimilate into the culture of non-white immigrant populations. I congratulate the author of this article for "stepping up" but now he needs to "step back". While we may agree with his opinion, too long faces of his complexion have dominated the debate and historically as led to oppression and biased politics and sciences. Soon he will one day be a minority and no the true meaning of social justice.
 
2013-01-04 08:56:56 PM
Who will sponsor me?
 
2013-01-04 08:57:12 PM
Geez, I never realized what a raging persecution complex the Torrygraph has.
 
2013-01-04 08:57:15 PM
"I know it's hard for those of us who didn't grow up in strict Muslim families to understand why it's a sin for a child of nine to be bare headed in front of male teachers,"

After reading about The Yogurt Teacher in California, I'm thinking no, not that hard.

And that just sucks.
 
2013-01-04 08:57:45 PM

Fart_Machine: Trying to claim discrimination based on having to work on Sunday is stupid.


Unless you take the bible seriously, but don't really know what it says.

;)
 
2013-01-04 08:57:55 PM

Fart_Machine: Wearing a headscarf or a cross is pretty benign. Trying to claim discrimination based on having to work on Sunday is stupid.



Really? What about Shabbat for Jews?
 
2013-01-04 08:58:26 PM

Relatively Obscure: A nine-year-old girl from south London has been forbidden from wearing her hijab
[...]
Which leads us to draw the inevitable comparison to
[...]
the Christian Baptist who was sacked for refusing to work

These two things do seem identical.


This. (assuming sarcasm)

As usual, Christians feels discriminated because they can't impose their religion on someone else, while at the same time discriminating against another faith for doing something that affects no one else.
"What do you mean I can't put stone monuments carved with the ten commandments in front of the courthouse? You don't eat Skittles because gelatin is made with pork fat!"
 
2013-01-04 08:59:10 PM

Mattyb710: which is a requirement of the Muslim faith


Is it? Are there no muslim females that do not wear it?


It always comes down to sects.
 
2013-01-04 08:59:25 PM
I was in college with a little Pashtun girl who wore very pretty head scarfs all the time, even in the fabrication laboratory (it's what you call a machine shop on grant applications).

One day she stopped wearing her head scarfs in the fab lab. I found out that she'd had a near death experience when one had gotten sucked up by a grinding wheel.

So, when safety people tell you not to wear loose items around 10,000 rpm machinery it doesn't matter if your god tells you to do something. YOU DON'T HAVE LOOSE ITEMS AROUND ROTATING MACHINERY!
 
2013-01-04 08:59:51 PM

KawaiiNot: Christians just jelly cause they don't have cool hats to wear like all the other religions. Maybe they could make the fez required wear?


These Catholics in Spain have some cool hats...

upload.wikimedia.org
/ but it wouldn't go over too well here in the US...
 
2013-01-04 09:00:05 PM
People need to chill on the regulatin' what other people wear, BUT.

A girl going to her local school, wearing clothing mandated by her religious sect, is not the same as an adult going to the workplace with a jewelry affectation NOT mandated by her religious sect. The kid really doesn't have a lot of choice about where she goes to school, or about wearing the hijab, while the grownup Christian can work elsewhere or leave the plus sign at home with no consequences except to her widdle feewings.

I lean toward the Muslims here, despite being constantly offended by the unstated insinuation that I am a slavering rapist kept at bay only because they conceal their hair from me.
 
2013-01-04 09:00:38 PM

ChuDogg: The only practical solution to these race and cultural problems is to increase non-white immigration until whites are no longer a viable majority. Preferably even asked to assimilate into the culture of non-white immigrant populations. I congratulate the author of this article for "stepping up" but now he needs to "step back". While we may agree with his opinion, too long faces of his complexion have dominated the debate and historically as led to oppression and biased politics and sciences. Soon he will one day be a minority and no the true meaning of social justice.


Is this where a farklib™ suggests you move to Somalia?
 
2013-01-04 09:00:51 PM

Amos Quito: Really? What about Shabbat for Jews?


If their employer/state-funded school says "you can't do that here", then maybe they are in the wrong job/school.
 
2013-01-04 09:02:11 PM
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Just try to fire Willy!
 
2013-01-04 09:03:41 PM

Indubitably: Who will sponsor me?


Look, I just want to live there, write, teach, and live, that's all. Live squared.
 
2013-01-04 09:03:49 PM

mbillips: the unstated insinuation that I am a slavering rapist kept at bay only because they conceal their hair from me.


They came up with this concept based on their excuse making needs for the realities of their own societal ills, not yours, bub.
 
2013-01-04 09:04:27 PM
What kind of loony world does the author live in? Here is the last paragraph:

It is possible, therefore, to mount a reasonable defence of banning [hijab] in school. Sacking a Christian employee for expressing her faith in a modest and personal fashion, however, is indefensible, and the Government's position on that issue is shameful.

The hijab is an integral part of the muslim faith for women, it all ties into how their women are inferior and need to be coddled and kept away from the lustful eyes of their fathers and brothers. Crosses are something Christians can wear to show they are intolerant of your religion and are more pious than you are. They are so much like jesus they need to have a little cross of their own to show they are bearing YOUR sins for YOU, you filthy non jesus lover.

Why would we compare a form of expressing your religion in a tacky little religious ornament to that of a cornerstone of the faith for women and muslims?
 
2013-01-04 09:04:49 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Who will sponsor me?

Look, I just want to live there, write, teach, and live, that's all. Live squared.


I need a Medici...

*)
 
2013-01-04 09:04:56 PM
Should I be allowed to go to school wearing my kirpan? It's the same thing making me wear it. My religion.
 
2013-01-04 09:05:29 PM

mbillips: A girl going to her local school, wearing clothing mandated by her religious sect, is not the same as an adult going to the workplace with a jewelry affectation NOT mandated by her religious sect.


There's no such thing as "Mandated", you are trying to draw a distinction between people freely expressing their love for their imaginary best friends.
 
2013-01-04 09:06:57 PM

ChuDogg: The only practical solution to these race and cultural problems is to increase non-white immigration until whites are no longer a viable majority. Preferably even asked to assimilate into the culture of non-white immigrant populations. I congratulate the author of this article for "stepping up" but now he needs to "step back". While we may agree with his opinion, too long faces of his complexion have dominated the debate and historically as led to oppression and biased politics and sciences. Soon he will one day be a minority and no the true meaning of social justice.



Diversity is our their strength.
 
2013-01-04 09:07:10 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: These Catholics in Spain have some cool hats...


Dunce caps.
 
2013-01-04 09:07:39 PM

mbillips: People need to chill on the regulatin' what other people wear, BUT.

A girl going to her local school, wearing clothing mandated by her religious sect, is not the same as an adult going to the workplace with a jewelry affectation NOT mandated by her religious sect. The kid really doesn't have a lot of choice about where she goes to school, or about wearing the hijab, while the grownup Christian can work elsewhere or leave the plus sign at home with no consequences except to her widdle feewings.

I lean toward the Muslims here, despite being constantly offended by the unstated insinuation that I am a slavering rapist kept at bay only because they conceal their hair from me.


It's mostly this, heavily weighted toward the fact that this is a 9-year old child. It's not like making HER take off the hijab is going to make HER PARENTS more tolerant or less slavishly devoted to their religion; and it might make it worse for the child at her home or in her community. If they are conservative enough, they could just yank her out of school completely and send her back to the Old Country where 9-year old girls are old enough to be wives.

Which is not to say that firing someone for their choice of jewelry isn't completely asinine; just that any Christian woman whose faith is so fragile she has to compare her situation to a young child's is probably not doing herself any favors.
 
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