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2013-01-04 11:02:46 PM
9 votes:
My colleagues and I saw this coming 12 years ago with NCLB. There was a huge push to take the Arizona model nationwide. At the time, Arizona had more charter schools than the rest of the country COMBINED. We, the public education teachers, who have a toothless union in a right-to-fire state, tried to warn people. This is a bad, bad, bad, bad idea.

Nope. You guys ran with it. Good luck with your mess. I swear to god, we tried to stop it here. You have George W. Bush and Lisa Graham Keegan to thank for this crap.
2013-01-05 12:27:04 AM
8 votes:
Charter schools should be farking illegal. If we as a society believe in public education, we should fix standard old public schools and require everyone to send their kids to them with NO exceptions. If not, fine -- just privatize education entirely and see how that works for ya. But "go to school wherever you want, for money" is not how the current system is supposed to work.
2013-01-04 06:36:43 PM
8 votes:

Runs_With_Scissors_: tricycleracer: Fuk yea privatization.

I'm sure there are people out there who would actually cheer this 'privatization' that's funded through public tax dollars.


Somehow they actually believe Reagan's quip that the worst words in the english language are "I'm from the Government and am here to help." All while drinking their clean water, driving on their level roads, sleeping in their inspected homes, eating their inspected foods, feeling safe because of the police and military.
2013-01-04 11:46:01 PM
7 votes:

namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...


If only there was a way to prevent charter schools from bleeding money from public ones...
2013-01-04 05:11:21 PM
7 votes:
The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

The fark?!


 Noble raked in approximately $200,000 in disciplinary fees in 2011 and almost $400,000 since the 2008-09 school year.

Ahhh.... Follow the money.


Such rules preserve order by targeting potential troublemakers and punishing them into submission before they have the chance to do anything which would actually harm the community.

Oh, I see. There's a heaping helping of good old authoritarian abuse of power thrown in, just for fun.

Bastards.
2013-01-05 12:43:22 AM
4 votes:
Did I say Charter School? I meant local attempt at union busting that provides no additional benefit to students.
2013-01-05 12:36:41 AM
4 votes:
ITT: retards complain about 'privatization'

the only 'private' thing about charters is that they have a different governance structure. instead of a 'school board' they have a 'board' of non-profit people.

in a few states they're given statutory breaks from certain regulations. by and large, it's a meaningless distinction.

they are still government-run, government schools

this isn't about 'evil capitalism' this is about government itself finding new ways to suck funds out of the public.

which is seen in efforts locally to install parking meters everywhere, red-light cameras, and on national levels with inflation, death tax, asset bubbles, and the like.

at least with charters you can opt to go to the traditional public school if you don't want the fines.

the problem is that our elected officials, judges and entire government system is failing the common person.

there should be more options than just 'charters' for k-12 education as an issue of school reform. When charters are presented as the 'good school' and TPS are the 'normal schools' - then all you have, in effect, is yet another state-run monopoly. this kind of bad behavior by charters happens because they know parents lack any other option.
2013-01-05 12:20:11 AM
4 votes:
It sounds like a school being run by an HOA.
2013-01-05 12:13:26 AM
4 votes:
There are a great number of things that government does better than private business.
2013-01-04 07:33:57 PM
4 votes:
If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...
2013-01-04 05:23:54 PM
4 votes:

tricycleracer: Fuk yea privatization.


I'm sure there are people out there who would actually cheer this 'privatization' that's funded through public tax dollars.
2013-01-05 03:37:20 AM
3 votes:

Morning Coffee: So many in this thread don't understand the utter clusterfark that is the Chicago Public School system. The school board is appointed by the mayor, who is also the head of CPS. Rahm don't mind selling out poor kids, as long as his cronies can get tons of public money and bust the teachers' union at the same time.

Remember that strike in September? The union had to fight for kids to all get textbooks on the first day of school.

farking Rahm. He disgusts me.


THIS

Rahm is shutting down over 100 public schools in Chicago and they're slowly being replaced by charter schools. So all those who are saying people have a choice as to where to send their kids, well the mayor is trying to make it so there won't be any or many choices. Charter schools aren't a better education, they are a money making scheme. I know there's not a lot of sympathy for teachers on fark, but there will be hundreds of them who will be laid off due to this. The ones who do get hired by charter schools have no union protection, get paid significantly less, and have miserable jobs. It's not just the students who can get written, it's also the teachers (and for really minor things). Rahm put someone in charge of the Chicago Public School System who had NO background in education. He was a businessman. That should tell you all you need to know about what sort of agenda he has for the schools in the city.
2013-01-05 01:49:58 AM
3 votes:
So many in this thread don't understand the utter clusterfark that is the Chicago Public School system. The school board is appointed by the mayor, who is also the head of CPS. Rahm don't mind selling out poor kids, as long as his cronies can get tons of public money and bust the teachers' union at the same time.

Remember that strike in September? The union had to fight for kids to all get textbooks on the first day of school.

farking Rahm. He disgusts me.
2013-01-05 12:33:13 AM
3 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: I remember being told by city officials in Chicago that we needed charter schools because local public schools are too burden by regulations to effectively educate today's youth. When I asked why we just couldn't free local schools from the excess regulations no one was ever able to give me a adequate answer.


I can give you an adequate answer. They can't free the public schools from the heavy regulations because that would require them to actually DO some aspect of the job they were elected to do, rather than a) campaigning for re-election and b) fund-raising for their next re-election campaign.
2013-01-05 12:30:14 AM
3 votes:

iheartscotch: you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school


Explain how this works for me, the childless taxpayer, who has 100% no choice in funding this shiat.
2013-01-05 12:16:18 AM
3 votes:
Sorta reaping what they've sown, isn't it? The per pupil dollars keep going down, the charter schools are paid the same amount as the real schools, so they've got to pay their board members and stock holders somehow.
2013-01-05 12:10:26 AM
3 votes:
Welcome home, TeaBaggers. You wanted to emulate the Silver Brigades, now you get what they promised you.
2013-01-04 10:58:33 PM
3 votes:
You sign the documents, you follow the rules.

Buyer beware.

Nobody forced them to send their kid there.
2013-01-05 09:11:15 AM
2 votes:

Fade2black: I seem to recall schools being a place of discipline back in them thar early days...and kids being better for it. Don't like it? Don't send your kids to a charter school.


If the Corporatists do away with public schools as they intend to, parents and children will have no choice in the matter. And if places like Texas are anything to go by, parents who can't pay the fines will have to see their kids sent to juvie prisons, where the inmates will probably be co-opted for slave labor. It's sad to hope that energy and capital depletion entropy outraces authoritarianism to the social finish line.

Teh Freadums!! Murica!!!!
2013-01-05 07:37:28 AM
2 votes:
This is really just about two things:

1) A money grab by charter schools. They can't just jack up tuition, so they grab money in other ways and this is one of the more draconian ones.

2) A way to keep "those dirty poor people" out. Rich kid gets hit with a couple grand in fines, their parents pay it, maybe dad beats them when he gets drunk, they get to stay. Poor kid gets hit with a couple grand in fines, their parents can't pay, and thus get kicked out. It is selective expulsion. If you are poor, you get expelled for less than if you are rich. The more money your parents have and are willing to spend on you, the more you can misbehave.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being effective at discipline or anything else. You can particularly see it in rules like "failing to maintain eye contact." In no way, shape, or form is that a behaviour problem. However it is a convenient excuse to drop fines on any kid you don't like, since even most adults don't maintain eye contact 100% of the time, never mind children.
2013-01-05 05:27:17 AM
2 votes:

byelii: my mom has been, for the last 25 years, an elementary school teacher in one of the best public school systems in the country. the system is in one of the wealthiest counties in the nation. the school in which she teaches is roughly 85% upper middle class and 15% less than that [fark stat approximation].

the unifying factor in the kids who failed? kids with parents that don't give more than lip service (if even that) to education in front of their kids - economic situation, ethnicity, single parent/two parent family had nothing to do with success. it was about the level of commitment.

like a previous post said - selection bias. this charter school bs is just that. keep blaming the unions, the school systems, the schools themselves...please see above.


This is the truth. My wife is a teacher and the success of the student is directly related to the involvement of the parents. No matter how hard a teacher tries to teach (and most work their asses off), if the parents aren't involved the student will most likely fail. But hey, lets go for the low hanging fruit instead. It's more fun! Teachers union ruinin everything derp derp. How dare dey want decent benefits and a livable wage derp derp.
2013-01-05 02:34:13 AM
2 votes:
Pffffft...

The REAL reason they have fines? So they can kick kids out who arent scoring well on the standardized tests.

Little Johnny is bringing our average down to where we're going to lose funding? Well, Little Johnny is being disrespectful, so we'll fine him $500.

Pretty soon, Little Johnny is on the hook for 10 dimes, and the Charter School says, "Well, pull your kid out of our school, and we'll dismiss the fines".

The school gets rid of an underperforming student, which gives the school a better rating. And the parents of all the students are happy.

/The Aristocrats!
2013-01-05 02:03:18 AM
2 votes:
my mom has been, for the last 25 years, an elementary school teacher in one of the best public school systems in the country. the system is in one of the wealthiest counties in the nation. the school in which she teaches is roughly 85% upper middle class and 15% less than that [fark stat approximation].

the unifying factor in the kids who failed? kids with parents that don't give more than lip service (if even that) to education in front of their kids - economic situation, ethnicity, single parent/two parent family had nothing to do with success. it was about the level of commitment.

like a previous post said - selection bias. this charter school bs is just that. keep blaming the unions, the school systems, the schools themselves...please see above.
2013-01-05 01:57:54 AM
2 votes:
iheartscotch

And thus, perform more favorably when compared with public schools.

Conservatives, for whatever reason, seem to assume that it is the school that produces good students. The biggest effect of this might be that students would be less likely to fall in with a bad crowd in a private school. However, the bad crowds still exist, and it seems that performance would in either case depend far more on the student and parents than on the school.

Sometimes, I wonder if the solution is to allow students who do not want to be educated to drop out at an earlier age; thus relieving the education system of the burden of educating them.

I think it would be better if we had a more general and practical curriculum for the underachievers, rather than just letting them out. Sadly, things like multiple specialized curricula and qualified teachers make your solution a lot cheaper and more practical.
2013-01-05 01:46:44 AM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Runs_With_Scissors_: tricycleracer: Fuk yea privatization.

I'm sure there are people out there who would actually cheer this 'privatization' that's funded through public tax dollars.

Somehow they actually believe Reagan's quip that the worst words in the english language are "I'm from the Government and am here to help." All while drinking their clean water, driving on their level roads, sleeping in their inspected homes, eating their inspected foods, feeling safe because of the police and military.


Here I am. Pants off, lubed up, got my picture of Reagan sitting here. I'm thinking about unions getting busted and the EPA getting dissolved... visualizing no-bid contracts to corporations so they can fill roles the government used to only without job-killing regulation, oversight...oh god just thinking of all those misappropriated tax dollars profits...  so close to climax.. I can see the Pelosi tears...oh OH

and then you have to come along and ruin the whole thing. Like a cold shower.

You 47%ers just don't get REAL America. You should all go marry Europe and Muslims since you love em so much. And take the Department of Education and Obama and the teachers unions with you! You just don't understand how great it would be if everything was for profit.

fark charter schools. fark for-profit schools period. Just look at colleges! They are so efficient and cost-effective, right? Lowering cost for students, improving the value of degrees... oh wait

And I can't help but wonder if there is their end game. Why wait for college for your indentured servitude to student loans? ABC Corporation is accepting enrollment to your towns Elementary Charter. Only $10k/semester ($25k/sem after 4th grade, $55k for college oriented high school semesters)... if you can't afford it we can get you loan approval! Just sign here.
What?
You're having second thoughts?
I mean, the only alternative is public schools, and believe me... you don't want to see what those will look like when our lobbyists get done with Congress.
2013-01-05 12:59:01 AM
2 votes:
No indication of how many schools are actually guilty of doing this. Just that charter schools in Chicago are doing it. Which could mean one of them or all of them. Also, this seems like an easy fix. Just write a law that prohibits them from doing it anymore or limits the fines to a much more reasonable level and makes sure the infractions are actually real infractions.

So basically it was a crappy article by a pro-union hack.
2013-01-05 12:40:01 AM
2 votes:
It's easy for chater

teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged


It's easy for charter schools to look better than public schools on paper because they can choose who they accept, making for strong selection bias.
2013-01-05 12:35:19 AM
2 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school

And that's the shiat of it..... these kids will stay in the local public high schools in higher conc. then before.....they'll look all the worse in comparison to charter schools and give more ammunition to those who are trying to privatize US education.


The problem always is; the better programs, inexplicably, draw better/more wealthy students. And thus, perform more favorably when compared with public schools.

Sometimes, I wonder if the solution is to allow students who do not want to be educated to drop out at an earlier age; thus relieving the education system of the burden of educating them.

/ not often though
2013-01-05 12:32:00 AM
2 votes:

teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged


These type of schools have excellent college acceptance rates.... however their college graduation rates are a different story. At the KIPP schools only one third of 8th graders enrolled at KIPP graduated from college ten years later.
2013-01-05 12:26:12 AM
2 votes:
If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged. As some people have mentioned, no one is forcing the parents to send their kids there. I know I wouldn't. But I have my kids enrolled in a home-based charter, and I'm pretty damned glad to have the option considering the schools around here are the shiattiest of the shiat.

Also, I may be totally off base here, but when I read this: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."
,


...I have to wonder what the other infractions were. Say, for example, $1500 was for participating in a physical fight with another student. $200 was for behaving in a defiant manner while being questioned/lectured, like refusing to make eye contact. It wouldn't be the first time critical information was left out of an article.
2013-01-05 12:24:54 AM
2 votes:

Deathfrogg: detritus: So in other words, rich kids can simply purchase insubordination. I wonder what the going rate to give a nerd a swirly is.


Oh, they get a pass if they're on the football team.


Or if their daddy sits on the board.
2013-01-05 12:22:33 AM
2 votes:
I remember being told by city officials in Chicago that we needed charter schools because local public schools are too burden by regulations to effectively educate today's youth. When I asked why we just couldn't free local schools from the excess regulations no one was ever able to give me a adequate answer.
2013-01-05 12:22:25 AM
2 votes:
So in other words, rich kids can simply purchase insubordination. I wonder what the going rate to give a nerd a swirly is.
2013-01-05 12:17:14 AM
2 votes:
If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school
2013-01-04 11:40:38 PM
2 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: My colleagues and I saw this coming 12 years ago with NCLB. There was a huge push to take the Arizona model nationwide. At the time, Arizona had more charter schools than the rest of the country COMBINED. We, the public education teachers, who have a toothless union in a right-to-fire state, tried to warn people. This is a bad, bad, bad, bad idea.

Nope. You guys ran with it. Good luck with your mess. I swear to god, we tried to stop it here. You have George W. Bush and Lisa Graham Keegan to thank for this crap.


The charter schools around here fight over everything. I go nuts when I have to deal with them.
2013-01-04 08:56:57 PM
2 votes:
Enjoy it, America. You certainly couldn't wait to shove "school reform" down everyone's throats.
2013-01-04 05:13:47 PM
2 votes:
Fuk yea privatization.
2013-01-05 10:53:25 AM
1 votes:
Ah yes our 'justice' system being reflected in schools - only the rich can misbehave with impunity.
2013-01-05 10:31:04 AM
1 votes:

utah dude: unruly students. The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

no, charge the kid, not the parents. the kid will never learn responsibility without covering this debt. if he can't afford it, there's always student loans.


The responsibility of straightening a tie or making sure to engage in an appropriate amount of eye contact? I take it you cheer on HOAs when they fine people into oblivion for non-regulation tulip patches and mailbox decorations that don't meet guidelines?

This country breeds money-grubbing sadists.
2013-01-05 08:14:45 AM
1 votes:

MrShivery is going to Hell: byelii: my mom has been, for the last 25 years, an elementary school teacher in one of the best public school systems in the country. the system is in one of the wealthiest counties in the nation. the school in which she teaches is roughly 85% upper middle class and 15% less than that [fark stat approximation].

the unifying factor in the kids who failed? kids with parents that don't give more than lip service (if even that) to education in front of their kids - economic situation, ethnicity, single parent/two parent family had nothing to do with success. it was about the level of commitment.

like a previous post said - selection bias. this charter school bs is just that. keep blaming the unions, the school systems, the schools themselves...please see above.

This is the truth. My wife is a teacher and the success of the student is directly related to the involvement of the parents. No matter how hard a teacher tries to teach (and most work their asses off), if the parents aren't involved the student will most likely fail. But hey, lets go for the low hanging fruit instead. It's more fun! Teachers union ruinin everything derp derp. How dare dey want decent benefits and a livable wage derp derp.


This is what reinforced my decision not to go into teaching. Teachers are treated like crap in this country and many are going out of their way to take away their remaining benefits.
2013-01-05 08:12:14 AM
1 votes:

Vaneshi: RatMaster999: iheartscotch: Sometimes, I wonder if the solution is to allow students who do not want to be educated to drop out at an earlier age; thus relieving the education system of the burden of educating them.

It's actually a good idea, let the people who don't want a free formal education go find something else to do (community college, apprenticeships, etc.) the only problem is that there has been a qualifications creep over the years and that needs to be reversed (come on, you don't need a 2:1 BSc in CompSci to sit on a teir1 helldesk, a BTEC 1st in IT is more than sufficient).

If you can fix that qualification creep you'd be on to a major winner IMHO.


Truth. Also, you don't need a BA to do customer service.
2013-01-05 06:47:54 AM
1 votes:
Is this back door discrimination. Affluent parents can pay fines but "urban" parents can't so the fine system works to cherry pick students. It makes money and it makes them seem to do better
2013-01-05 05:47:21 AM
1 votes:
Under James Q. Wilson's theory (dissected here by Mike Konczal), you could argue that such rules preserve order by targeting potential troublemakers and punishing them into submission before they have the chance to do anything which would actually harm the community.

The Qin emperors had that very same idea 2200 years ago. Chen Sheng could have told you exacty how that particular well thought out scheme works.
2013-01-05 05:01:34 AM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Somehow they actually believe Reagan's quip that the worst words in the english language are "I'm from the Government and am here to help." All while drinking their clean water, driving on their level roads, sleeping in their inspected homes, eating their inspected foods, feeling safe because of the police and military.


And the fire brigade don't sit outside watching your house burn whilst you negotiate their payment. Same for whambulances as well (at least here in the UK).

I know Socialism is the new Communism as far as some groups of Americans are concerned but the government are the best entity to provide the basic safety nets we all intrinsically need (health, fire, police, mass transit, etc.) with private companies offering additional services that may or may not be better/quicker than the base 'government' model.

Irrespective of which country you're in, we all pay our damn taxes isn't it better that that tax money goes on giving US something rather than in to the pockets of the unscrupulous?
2013-01-05 04:10:05 AM
1 votes:

PillsHere: Morning Coffee: So many in this thread don't understand the utter clusterfark that is the Chicago Public School system. The school board is appointed by the mayor, who is also the head of CPS. Rahm don't mind selling out poor kids, as long as his cronies can get tons of public money and bust the teachers' union at the same time.

Remember that strike in September? The union had to fight for kids to all get textbooks on the first day of school.

farking Rahm. He disgusts me.

THIS

Rahm is shutting down over 100 public schools in Chicago and they're slowly being replaced by charter schools. So all those who are saying people have a choice as to where to send their kids, well the mayor is trying to make it so there won't be any or many choices. Charter schools aren't a better education, they are a money making scheme. I know there's not a lot of sympathy for teachers on fark, but there will be hundreds of them who will be laid off due to this. The ones who do get hired by charter schools have no union protection, get paid significantly less, and have miserable jobs. It's not just the students who can get written, it's also the teachers (and for really minor things). Rahm put someone in charge of the Chicago Public School System who had NO background in education. He was a businessman. That should tell you all you need to know about what sort of agenda he has for the schools in the city.


Totally...

Farking Republicans always trying to stick it to the unions.
2013-01-05 03:14:42 AM
1 votes:

Winston Smith '84: If you don't want to pay the fines either
1) Don't buy a house in a HOA controlled neighborhood
2) Follow the rules and behave


Try doing that in an 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% HOA controlled area - especially where charter schools are. The choice simply doesn't exist, and the HOA's(and charter schools) are run with the full knowledge of the lack of practical alternatives - which gives the same effect as traditionally defined forms of force.

In both cases, you get people that use the private status to go on a power trip just because they're some form of "untouchable" while useful idiots such as yourself end up defending the lack of choice that it gives.
2013-01-05 02:15:34 AM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school


"higher standard"? where I live the public schools outperform the charter/private schools in everything from education to athletics......so what higher standard are you referring to? uniforms?
2013-01-05 01:51:01 AM
1 votes:
Sounds a lot like extortion to me.
2013-01-05 01:46:33 AM
1 votes:

mwfark: namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...

You beat me to it. There's always the option of the standard old failing public school system. I'll admit that "no eye contact" is over the top, but I think the current public school system is largely an educational failure due in large part to the teachers' union, at leat where i live. Ideally I'll be able to afford private school when the time comes. We shall see, as my first kid just turned 2.


See that's funny. Where I live we have one of the strongest teachers unions and some of the best public schools in the country.

See, we pay our teachers well, so educated, smart, professional, people take the jobs, and our children learn.

But then again, we have a lot more in common up here with Canada than a place like Alabama, so obviously we're doing a lot of things horribly wrong.

Hope you're enjoying our tax dollars down there!
2013-01-05 01:43:34 AM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: omehow they actually believe Reagan's quip that the worst words in the english language are "I'm from the Government and am here to help." All while drinking their clean water, driving on their level roads, sleeping in their inspected homes, eating their inspected foods, feeling safe because of the police and military.


thank you.
2013-01-05 12:54:06 AM
1 votes:
Prison, charter school, po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to
2013-01-05 12:48:58 AM
1 votes:
I would've racked up thousands in fees at this place... Mainly because I'm unable to make eye contact due to various anxiety issues. Although they might have considered making an exception for me if lawyers came calling...

/Chicago's schools are a joke, sadly
2013-01-05 12:36:40 AM
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged

These type of schools have excellent college acceptance rates.... however their college graduation rates are a different story. At the KIPP schools only one third of 8th graders enrolled at KIPP graduated from college ten years later.


And what's the going rate for the average public school?
2013-01-05 12:31:11 AM
1 votes:
I sent my kids to public school for one year while I struggled with a high-strung toddler at home, and I can think of one particular precious snowflake that I would have taken malicious pleasure in knowing her daddy was getting charged out the ass because she refused to act like anything less than a demon.
2013-01-05 12:30:26 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school

This.

Stupid parents, or parents who can afford it and still think the charter is the choice.

No problems here.


The only stupid here is the morons that voted for the idiots who pass and sign charter school legislation.
2013-01-05 12:26:31 AM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school


And that's the shiat of it..... these kids will stay in the local public high schools in higher conc. then before.....they'll look all the worse in comparison to charter schools and give more ammunition to those who are trying to privatize US education.
2013-01-05 12:23:19 AM
1 votes:

detritus: So in other words, rich kids can simply purchase insubordination. I wonder what the going rate to give a nerd a swirly is.


Oh, they get a pass if they're on the football team.
2013-01-05 12:18:55 AM
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Runs_With_Scissors_: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

The fark?!


 Noble raked in approximately $200,000 in disciplinary fees in 2011 and almost $400,000 since the 2008-09 school year.

Ahhh.... Follow the money.


Such rules preserve order by targeting potential troublemakers and punishing them into submission before they have the chance to do anything which would actually harm the community.

Oh, I see. There's a heaping helping of good old authoritarian abuse of power thrown in, just for fun.

Bastards.


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2013-01-05 12:08:24 AM
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I'm betting those administrators also sit on HOAs in their spare time.
2013-01-05 12:06:49 AM
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I seem to recall schools being a place of discipline back in them thar early days...and kids being better for it. Don't like it? Don't send your kids to a charter school.
2013-01-04 08:54:19 PM
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Or, rather:

IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING! HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT!?!??
2013-01-04 07:56:22 PM
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"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding!Howcan you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?!"
 
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