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(MSNBC)   Private prison is charging thousands of dollars for rule infractions like "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact." I'm sorry. Did I say prison? I meant Charter School   (tv.msnbc.com) divider line 129
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2013-01-05 08:40:00 AM

byelii:
the unifying factor in the kids who failed? kids with parents that don't give more than lip service (if even that) to education in front of their kids - economic situation, ethnicity, single parent/two parent family had nothing to do with success. it was about the level of commitment.


I'm glad you believe whatever it is your mom tells you. Those guys are just friends, too.

Out here in the real world there are parents who do all the right things and still somehow have the kid from hell. There's a pretty good documentary about the Columbine killers' parents, if you want an extreme example. Most people have known families where two kids, with the same parents, same upbringinging, turn out at opposite ends.

Kids from shiat homes can turn out well. Kids from great homes can end up Ted Bundy or BTK.

But keep pretending there's a nice simple moral division here, the parents determine how a teen turns out and genetic randomisation and in-utero and Cub scout leaders who don't respect boundaries never have anything to do with it.

Because, hey, your mom told you. And that guy she took the money from, who came in to your room?

He was just the tooth fairy.
 
2013-01-05 08:42:46 AM
Some insufferable little sh*t who got suspended 15 times got fined for it? Hallelujah!
 
2013-01-05 09:11:15 AM

Fade2black: I seem to recall schools being a place of discipline back in them thar early days...and kids being better for it. Don't like it? Don't send your kids to a charter school.


If the Corporatists do away with public schools as they intend to, parents and children will have no choice in the matter. And if places like Texas are anything to go by, parents who can't pay the fines will have to see their kids sent to juvie prisons, where the inmates will probably be co-opted for slave labor. It's sad to hope that energy and capital depletion entropy outraces authoritarianism to the social finish line.

Teh Freadums!! Murica!!!!
 
2013-01-05 09:29:34 AM

fusillade762: namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...

If only there was a way to prevent charter schools from bleeding money from public ones...


If only there were a way to prevent government schools from bleeding money from everything else.
 
2013-01-05 09:30:53 AM

Dear Jerk: There are a great number of things that government does better than private business.


Killing and threatening people are at the top of that list.
 
2013-01-05 09:34:53 AM

varmitydog: Some insufferable little sh*t who got suspended 15 times got fined for it? Hallelujah!


In govt school they would arrest him and throw him in jail.
 
2013-01-05 09:42:01 AM

teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged. As some people have mentioned, no one is forcing the parents to send their kids there. I know I wouldn't. But I have my kids enrolled in a home-based charter, and I'm pretty damned glad to have the option considering the schools around here are the shiattiest of the shiat.

Also, I may be totally off base here, but when I read this: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."
,

...I have to wonder what the other infractions were. Say, for example, $1500 was for participating in a physical fight with another student. $200 was for behaving in a defiant manner while being questioned/lectured, like refusing to make eye contact. It wouldn't be the first time critical information was left out of an article.


Or that someone twisted the facts in the same way to fit their world view.
 
2013-01-05 10:21:04 AM
I've talked to some mighty squirrely kids lately. Their eyes are either darting around like a three-time loser, or they have the thousand yard stare.
 
2013-01-05 10:21:23 AM
the school system and the prison system are the same thing:
- school system is a day care system keeps smart people tied up and out of the real world
- prison system is a system that keeps reactive individuals off the streets

so what you're left with is the middle of the bell curve, when everyone's the same, everyone's happy, right?

aren't you happy? (if not we can throw you in school or prison. :) )

have a nice day.

this country is ghey now.
 
2013-01-05 10:23:09 AM

Asa Phelps: You sign the documents, you follow the rules.

Buyer beware.

Nobody forced them to send their kid there.


You know how we know you didn't read the article?
 
2013-01-05 10:24:23 AM
unruly students. The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

no, charge the kid, not the parents. the kid will never learn responsibility without covering this debt. if he can't afford it, there's always student loans.
 
2013-01-05 10:28:48 AM
Sounds like a good school actually.
 
2013-01-05 10:31:04 AM

utah dude: unruly students. The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

no, charge the kid, not the parents. the kid will never learn responsibility without covering this debt. if he can't afford it, there's always student loans.


The responsibility of straightening a tie or making sure to engage in an appropriate amount of eye contact? I take it you cheer on HOAs when they fine people into oblivion for non-regulation tulip patches and mailbox decorations that don't meet guidelines?

This country breeds money-grubbing sadists.
 
2013-01-05 10:52:37 AM
School, prison, what's the difference?
 
2013-01-05 10:53:25 AM
Ah yes our 'justice' system being reflected in schools - only the rich can misbehave with impunity.
 
2013-01-05 11:13:18 AM
Turned away from Flint schools after they handcuffed a 5 yro for having a bad day and among a long list of other reasons. Put kids in 'free to the public' charter school, only to find out they don't suspend bad kids. Bullying got so far out of hand that physical assaults went unpunished because suspending a kid would reduce the government money coming in. Especially if the kid's parents decided to take their kid elsewhere. So, we home school our kids and use the K12 program. Public funded like the schools, however they get a lot more one on one help where they struggle most. I figure it helps the schools a little by not making them pay for transportation, providing space in a building or feeding my kids. They still see real teachers online, so no teachers were harmed. In a way we reduced our carbon foot print and class over crowding, while creating a more parent involved home environment.
 
2013-01-05 11:38:59 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Fade2black: I seem to recall schools being a place of discipline back in them thar early days...and kids being better for it. Don't like it? Don't send your kids to a charter school.

If the Corporatists do away with public schools as they intend to, parents and children will have no choice in the matter. And if places like Texas are anything to go by, parents who can't pay the fines will have to see their kids sent to juvie prisons, where the inmates will probably be co-opted for slave labor. It's sad to hope that energy and capital depletion entropy outraces authoritarianism to the social finish line.

Teh Freadums!! Murica!!!!


And mostly this. It amazes and saddens me how many are cheering on the destruction of public education. You put quite succinctly what I have noticed for some time. Scapegoating teachers for daring to hang on to benefits that were once staples of employee compensation. Rather than fight for better benefits, they've been hoodwinked into trying to wrest them from public employees.

Yet, most of these assholes denigrating teachers, education, and public employee benefits have a thing to say about Congressional benefits.

I can only assume the aforementioned corporatist astroturfing is responsible for this sad state of affairs. Nothing else could explain why the right seems to have such a hard-on for killing education and the USPS.
 
2013-01-05 11:43:05 AM
We recently had a teabagger style govt that decided (since all us politicians went to private schools) that schools (either public or private) should be funded on a per student basis, ie. if you take your kid out of a public school and put them in a private one, then $X'000s would be moved from the public school to the private one.

Seems fair to these repug types - "I pay taxes so why shouldn't I get a benefit?" (they did the same with Private Health Insurance - oh lets take money out of the PUBLIC health system and subsidise those who can already afford private health insurance.)

It's like they have absolutely no idea of what taxes are meant to pay for.

And yet I can guarantee that if I decide to home school my (imaginary) child I will not get given the same money from the government to do it (currently $10,500.)
 
2013-01-05 12:12:26 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Also, I may be totally off base here, but when I read this: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."
,

...I have to wonder what the other infractions were. Say, for example, $1500 was for participating in a physical fight with another student. $200 was for behaving in a defiant manner while being questioned/lectured, like refusing to make eye contact. It wouldn't be the first time critical information was left out of an article.

Or that someone twisted the facts in the same way to fit their world view.



I'm not twisting facts, I'm offering up a possible situation in which the fines might be warranted. TFA listed *a few* of the reasons listed for the fines and everyone jumped into the "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" wagon. Do you really think they're just walking around, handing out $2000 demerits for "not making eye contact"? It reminds me of the story last year about the mom who complained about the school lunch nazis that decided her daughter's homemade lunch wasn't sufficient and sent a bill home with the child. Everyone was outraged until the facts came out.
 
2013-01-05 12:15:22 PM

friday13: Asa Phelps: You sign the documents, you follow the rules.

Buyer beware.

Nobody forced them to send their kid there.

You know how we know you didn't read the article?


Just re-read the article (well, skimmed it). Where does it say you can't pull your kid out of the school if you don't like the policies. It's a charter school so you have to voluntarily send your kid there, right?
 
2013-01-05 12:22:01 PM

Langdon_777: We recently had a teabagger style govt that decided (since all us politicians went to private schools) that schools (either public or private) should be funded on a per student basis, ie. if you take your kid out of a public school and put them in a private one, then $X'000s would be moved from the public school to the private one.

Seems fair to these repug types - "I pay taxes so why shouldn't I get a benefit?" (they did the same with Private Health Insurance - oh lets take money out of the PUBLIC health system and subsidise those who can already afford private health insurance.)

It's like they have absolutely no idea of what taxes are meant to pay for.

And yet I can guarantee that if I decide to home school my (imaginary) child I will not get given the same money from the government to do it (currently $10,500.)


Wouldn't work. Too many people would 'home school' their kids just to get the money and not teach them at all.
 
2013-01-05 01:06:21 PM

CujoQuarrel: Langdon_777:

And yet I can guarantee that if I decide to home school my (imaginary) child I will not get given the same money from the government to do it (currently $10,500.)

Wouldn't work. Too many people would 'home school' their kids just to get the money and not teach them at all.



Hehe (I could buy a nice boat in a couple of years...at least I could teach hir how to fish ;)

True and yet my faith in private institutions of any kind tends to wain a bit when money is involved ie. my faith in the Catholic Church run private schools is waaaay less than my faith in the local non-sectarian (created by local parents) private school.
 
2013-01-05 01:24:32 PM

Langdon_777: CujoQuarrel: Langdon_777:

And yet I can guarantee that if I decide to home school my (imaginary) child I will not get given the same money from the government to do it (currently $10,500.)

Wouldn't work. Too many people would 'home school' their kids just to get the money and not teach them at all.


Hehe (I could buy a nice boat in a couple of years...at least I could teach hir how to fish ;)

True and yet my faith in private institutions of any kind tends to wain a bit when money is involved ie. my faith in the Catholic Church run private schools is waaaay less than my faith in the local non-sectarian (created by local parents) private school.


As long as the schools are 'accredited' by someone honest it should be ok (I could see a bunch of parents putting together a fake school to get the money)

The great thing about school choice is , well, you would have the choice of either of those two private schools or the public school.
 
2013-01-05 01:38:02 PM

CujoQuarrel:

As long as the schools are 'accredited' by someone honest it should be ok (I could see a bunch of parents putting together a fake school to get the money)


The later sounds like all Catholic Schools (and their other tax free businesses/institutions) - we are here to help you (out of your money.)

Schools should not be run by delusional celibate peeps.
 
2013-01-05 02:17:14 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Wow... soooooooooo much butthurt in this thread.

Starting with the first word of the headline... and all the way through.


So, pray tell... do you have any words of insight? Any thoughts or ideas how to improve public education, or are you just here to be a dick?
 
2013-01-05 02:57:40 PM

proteus_b: Arthur Jumbles: At the KIPP schools only one third of 8th graders enrolled at KIPP graduated from college ten years later.

Which is higher than the rate of college graduation ten years hence for all eighth-graders. And probably much much higher than the rate after controlling for socio-economic status.


National average was 32 percent in 2011.
 
2013-01-05 03:19:59 PM
Yeah, Washington state, sure, let's do that here, too. Sounds great. Heck, once we reinstate debtor's prisons, we'll never run out of menial laborers!
 
2013-01-05 07:09:19 PM

jigger: fusillade762: namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...

If only there was a way to prevent charter schools from bleeding money from public ones...

If only there were a way to prevent government schools from bleeding money from everything else.


So privatize all the schools, is that your solution?
 
2013-01-07 07:09:24 PM

fusillade762: jigger: fusillade762: namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...

If only there was a way to prevent charter schools from bleeding money from public ones...

If only there were a way to prevent government schools from bleeding money from everything else.

So privatize all the schools, is that your solution?


May I suggest not?

Let's Dewey-and-Emerson them. D and E. D&E. Let's do it.
 
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