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(MSNBC)   Private prison is charging thousands of dollars for rule infractions like "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact." I'm sorry. Did I say prison? I meant Charter School   (tv.msnbc.com) divider line 129
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2013-01-04 05:11:21 PM  
The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

The fark?!


 Noble raked in approximately $200,000 in disciplinary fees in 2011 and almost $400,000 since the 2008-09 school year.

Ahhh.... Follow the money.


Such rules preserve order by targeting potential troublemakers and punishing them into submission before they have the chance to do anything which would actually harm the community.

Oh, I see. There's a heaping helping of good old authoritarian abuse of power thrown in, just for fun.

Bastards.
 
2013-01-04 05:13:47 PM  
Fuk yea privatization.
 
2013-01-04 05:23:54 PM  

tricycleracer: Fuk yea privatization.


I'm sure there are people out there who would actually cheer this 'privatization' that's funded through public tax dollars.
 
2013-01-04 05:48:09 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

The fark?!


 Noble raked in approximately $200,000 in disciplinary fees in 2011 and almost $400,000 since the 2008-09 school year.

Ahhh.... Follow the money.


Such rules preserve order by targeting potential troublemakers and punishing them into submission before they have the chance to do anything which would actually harm the community.

Oh, I see. There's a heaping helping of good old authoritarian abuse of power thrown in, just for fun.

Bastards.


Done in one.
 
2013-01-04 06:36:43 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: tricycleracer: Fuk yea privatization.

I'm sure there are people out there who would actually cheer this 'privatization' that's funded through public tax dollars.


Somehow they actually believe Reagan's quip that the worst words in the english language are "I'm from the Government and am here to help." All while drinking their clean water, driving on their level roads, sleeping in their inspected homes, eating their inspected foods, feeling safe because of the police and military.
 
2013-01-04 07:33:57 PM  
If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...
 
2013-01-04 07:56:22 PM  
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding!Howcan you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?!"
 
2013-01-04 08:53:12 PM  
Welcome to 1973.
 
2013-01-04 08:54:19 PM  
Or, rather:

IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING! HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT!?!??
 
2013-01-04 08:55:14 PM  

alienated: "If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding!Howcan you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?!"


BOY does it help to read the f*cking thread when it's only 7 posts long. :/
 
2013-01-04 08:56:57 PM  
Enjoy it, America. You certainly couldn't wait to shove "school reform" down everyone's throats.
 
2013-01-04 08:59:56 PM  

xanadian: alienated: "If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding!Howcan you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?!"

BOY does it help to read the f*cking thread when it's only 7 posts long. :/


;)
 
2013-01-04 10:03:33 PM  
The NFL and NBA have charter schools?
 
2013-01-04 10:58:33 PM  
You sign the documents, you follow the rules.

Buyer beware.

Nobody forced them to send their kid there.
 
2013-01-04 11:02:46 PM  
My colleagues and I saw this coming 12 years ago with NCLB. There was a huge push to take the Arizona model nationwide. At the time, Arizona had more charter schools than the rest of the country COMBINED. We, the public education teachers, who have a toothless union in a right-to-fire state, tried to warn people. This is a bad, bad, bad, bad idea.

Nope. You guys ran with it. Good luck with your mess. I swear to god, we tried to stop it here. You have George W. Bush and Lisa Graham Keegan to thank for this crap.
 
2013-01-04 11:40:38 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: My colleagues and I saw this coming 12 years ago with NCLB. There was a huge push to take the Arizona model nationwide. At the time, Arizona had more charter schools than the rest of the country COMBINED. We, the public education teachers, who have a toothless union in a right-to-fire state, tried to warn people. This is a bad, bad, bad, bad idea.

Nope. You guys ran with it. Good luck with your mess. I swear to god, we tried to stop it here. You have George W. Bush and Lisa Graham Keegan to thank for this crap.


The charter schools around here fight over everything. I go nuts when I have to deal with them.
 
2013-01-04 11:46:01 PM  

namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...


If only there was a way to prevent charter schools from bleeding money from public ones...
 
2013-01-05 12:06:49 AM  
I seem to recall schools being a place of discipline back in them thar early days...and kids being better for it. Don't like it? Don't send your kids to a charter school.
 
2013-01-05 12:07:47 AM  
FTFA: If a kids' unruly behavior puts a significant financial burden on his parents, you can bet those parents will do everything they can to get their son in line

DING DING DING Because girls are *never* unruly.
 
2013-01-05 12:08:24 AM  
I'm betting those administrators also sit on HOAs in their spare time.
 
2013-01-05 12:09:05 AM  
Eh... and?
 
2013-01-05 12:10:26 AM  
Welcome home, TeaBaggers. You wanted to emulate the Silver Brigades, now you get what they promised you.
 
2013-01-05 12:11:07 AM  
To diff
 
2013-01-05 12:13:26 AM  
There are a great number of things that government does better than private business.
 
2013-01-05 12:16:18 AM  
Sorta reaping what they've sown, isn't it? The per pupil dollars keep going down, the charter schools are paid the same amount as the real schools, so they've got to pay their board members and stock holders somehow.
 
2013-01-05 12:17:14 AM  
If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school
 
2013-01-05 12:18:55 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."

The fark?!


 Noble raked in approximately $200,000 in disciplinary fees in 2011 and almost $400,000 since the 2008-09 school year.

Ahhh.... Follow the money.


Such rules preserve order by targeting potential troublemakers and punishing them into submission before they have the chance to do anything which would actually harm the community.

Oh, I see. There's a heaping helping of good old authoritarian abuse of power thrown in, just for fun.

Bastards.


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2013-01-05 12:20:11 AM  
It sounds like a school being run by an HOA.
 
2013-01-05 12:21:58 AM  

iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school


This.

Stupid parents, or parents who can afford it and still think the charter is the choice.

No problems here.
 
2013-01-05 12:22:25 AM  
So in other words, rich kids can simply purchase insubordination. I wonder what the going rate to give a nerd a swirly is.
 
2013-01-05 12:22:33 AM  
I remember being told by city officials in Chicago that we needed charter schools because local public schools are too burden by regulations to effectively educate today's youth. When I asked why we just couldn't free local schools from the excess regulations no one was ever able to give me a adequate answer.
 
2013-01-05 12:23:19 AM  

detritus: So in other words, rich kids can simply purchase insubordination. I wonder what the going rate to give a nerd a swirly is.


Oh, they get a pass if they're on the football team.
 
2013-01-05 12:24:54 AM  

Deathfrogg: detritus: So in other words, rich kids can simply purchase insubordination. I wonder what the going rate to give a nerd a swirly is.


Oh, they get a pass if they're on the football team.


Or if their daddy sits on the board.
 
2013-01-05 12:26:12 AM  
If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged. As some people have mentioned, no one is forcing the parents to send their kids there. I know I wouldn't. But I have my kids enrolled in a home-based charter, and I'm pretty damned glad to have the option considering the schools around here are the shiattiest of the shiat.

Also, I may be totally off base here, but when I read this: The parents of one teenager, writes Traci Lee, had to pay close to $2,000 in fines for infractions including "an unkempt appearance and not making eye contact."
,


...I have to wonder what the other infractions were. Say, for example, $1500 was for participating in a physical fight with another student. $200 was for behaving in a defiant manner while being questioned/lectured, like refusing to make eye contact. It wouldn't be the first time critical information was left out of an article.
 
2013-01-05 12:26:31 AM  

iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school


And that's the shiat of it..... these kids will stay in the local public high schools in higher conc. then before.....they'll look all the worse in comparison to charter schools and give more ammunition to those who are trying to privatize US education.
 
2013-01-05 12:27:04 AM  
Charter schools should be farking illegal. If we as a society believe in public education, we should fix standard old public schools and require everyone to send their kids to them with NO exceptions. If not, fine -- just privatize education entirely and see how that works for ya. But "go to school wherever you want, for money" is not how the current system is supposed to work.
 
2013-01-05 12:30:14 AM  

iheartscotch: you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school


Explain how this works for me, the childless taxpayer, who has 100% no choice in funding this shiat.
 
2013-01-05 12:30:26 AM  

Smackledorfer: iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school

This.

Stupid parents, or parents who can afford it and still think the charter is the choice.

No problems here.


The only stupid here is the morons that voted for the idiots who pass and sign charter school legislation.
 
2013-01-05 12:31:11 AM  
I sent my kids to public school for one year while I struggled with a high-strung toddler at home, and I can think of one particular precious snowflake that I would have taken malicious pleasure in knowing her daddy was getting charged out the ass because she refused to act like anything less than a demon.
 
2013-01-05 12:32:00 AM  

teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged


These type of schools have excellent college acceptance rates.... however their college graduation rates are a different story. At the KIPP schools only one third of 8th graders enrolled at KIPP graduated from college ten years later.
 
2013-01-05 12:33:13 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: I remember being told by city officials in Chicago that we needed charter schools because local public schools are too burden by regulations to effectively educate today's youth. When I asked why we just couldn't free local schools from the excess regulations no one was ever able to give me a adequate answer.


I can give you an adequate answer. They can't free the public schools from the heavy regulations because that would require them to actually DO some aspect of the job they were elected to do, rather than a) campaigning for re-election and b) fund-raising for their next re-election campaign.
 
2013-01-05 12:35:19 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school

And that's the shiat of it..... these kids will stay in the local public high schools in higher conc. then before.....they'll look all the worse in comparison to charter schools and give more ammunition to those who are trying to privatize US education.


The problem always is; the better programs, inexplicably, draw better/more wealthy students. And thus, perform more favorably when compared with public schools.

Sometimes, I wonder if the solution is to allow students who do not want to be educated to drop out at an earlier age; thus relieving the education system of the burden of educating them.

/ not often though
 
2013-01-05 12:36:40 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged

These type of schools have excellent college acceptance rates.... however their college graduation rates are a different story. At the KIPP schools only one third of 8th graders enrolled at KIPP graduated from college ten years later.


And what's the going rate for the average public school?
 
2013-01-05 12:36:41 AM  
ITT: retards complain about 'privatization'

the only 'private' thing about charters is that they have a different governance structure. instead of a 'school board' they have a 'board' of non-profit people.

in a few states they're given statutory breaks from certain regulations. by and large, it's a meaningless distinction.

they are still government-run, government schools

this isn't about 'evil capitalism' this is about government itself finding new ways to suck funds out of the public.

which is seen in efforts locally to install parking meters everywhere, red-light cameras, and on national levels with inflation, death tax, asset bubbles, and the like.

at least with charters you can opt to go to the traditional public school if you don't want the fines.

the problem is that our elected officials, judges and entire government system is failing the common person.

there should be more options than just 'charters' for k-12 education as an issue of school reform. When charters are presented as the 'good school' and TPS are the 'normal schools' - then all you have, in effect, is yet another state-run monopoly. this kind of bad behavior by charters happens because they know parents lack any other option.
 
2013-01-05 12:38:29 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: I remember being told by city officials in Chicago that we needed charter schools because local public schools are too burden by regulations to effectively educate today's youth. When I asked why we just couldn't free local schools from the excess regulations no one was ever able to give me a adequate answer.


Gimme a U...
 
2013-01-05 12:40:01 AM  
It's easy for chater

teeny: If they turn out a significantly higher number of kids that successfully graduate college, I'd wager people would be significantly less outraged


It's easy for charter schools to look better than public schools on paper because they can choose who they accept, making for strong selection bias.
 
2013-01-05 12:40:40 AM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: iheartscotch: you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school

Explain how this works for me, the childless taxpayer, who has 100% no choice in funding this shiat.


As a parent of an imaginary child, you have the choice to homeschool, send to public school or send to chartered/private school.

/ think about it this way; you are paying education insurance based on the possibility that you may have a child some day that requires an education
 
2013-01-05 12:41:13 AM  

Witty_Retort: Smackledorfer: iheartscotch: If you don't want your children to be subject to a higher standard; don't send them to a chartered/private school.

If you don't want to be subject to fines; don't sign the form that says you understand the school's rules and agree to abide by them.

/ you, 100%, have a choice as to where your child goes to school

This.

Stupid parents, or parents who can afford it and still think the charter is the choice.

No problems here.

The only stupid here is the morons that voted for the idiots who pass and sign charter school legislation.


Ok yes, there is that.
 
2013-01-05 12:43:22 AM  
Did I say Charter School? I meant local attempt at union busting that provides no additional benefit to students.
 
2013-01-05 12:44:00 AM  

namegoeshere: If only there was a way to not send your child to a charter school...


You beat me to it. There's always the option of the standard old failing public school system. I'll admit that "no eye contact" is over the top, but I think the current public school system is largely an educational failure due in large part to the teachers' union, at leat where i live. Ideally I'll be able to afford private school when the time comes. We shall see, as my first kid just turned 2.
 
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