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(NBC Philadelphia)   A Pennsylvania court has ruled that home sellers don't have to disclose if their property was the site of a murder or suicide. Radon, on the other hand, SERIOUS BUSINESS   (nbcphiladelphia.com) divider line 67
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2013-01-04 03:50:38 PM  
Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.
 
2013-01-04 03:57:46 PM  
Done in one.
 
2013-01-04 04:38:14 PM  

St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.


You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.
 
2013-01-04 05:23:02 PM  

CreamFilling: St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.

You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.


Subby's mom?
 
2013-01-04 08:37:37 PM  

CreamFilling: St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.

You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.


I will taunt the FARK out of your non-corporeal ass.
 
2013-01-04 09:08:34 PM  

CreamFilling: St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.

You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.


You know what keeps evil spirits away? Radon.
 
2013-01-04 09:25:25 PM  
Now if my house is built on an Indian burial ground, then we have a problem.
 
2013-01-04 11:30:03 PM  
The house in question
latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2013-01-04 11:46:57 PM  

CreamFilling: St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.

You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.


C'mon, make the walls bleed.
 
2013-01-04 11:47:39 PM  

St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.


art.penny-arcade.com
 
2013-01-04 11:48:11 PM  

Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]


Want.

Seriously, that looks like an awesome place to live. Insulation is probably crappy and the windows probably suck, so it'd cost a fortune to heat and cool, not to mention being drafty, but seriously, that's a badass house.
 
2013-01-04 11:48:41 PM  
burying victims in the basement is just being thrifty. keeping it to yourself is fine; no one admires a gossip.
 
2013-01-04 11:49:34 PM  

cptjeff: Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]

Want.

Seriously, that looks like an awesome place to live. Insulation is probably crappy and the windows probably suck, so it'd cost a fortune to heat and cool, not to mention being drafty, but seriously, that's a badass house.


You could probably zombie proof it pretty cheaply too.
 
2013-01-04 11:50:56 PM  
Uh, yeah, I'd rather know about potential health hazards than if there was a murder....unless the body is still there, you know? Or if the Mafia is going to be checking by occasionally to make sure the body is still there.
 
2013-01-04 11:51:12 PM  

St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.


All these issues are counteracted if you can see Jesus on the bathroom door.

/He often appears on paneling too.
//got the whole world in His hands
 
2013-01-04 11:56:02 PM  
Dude, what about if there was, like, a messy divorce there, or somebody with really bad karma? That could really, like, bum your chi right the f**k out, maaaaan!
 
2013-01-04 11:57:21 PM  
People dying at home used to be normal. If it's older construction, somebody probably died there. The house my mom grew up in was built by her father, and within ten years, her grandpa died in his bedroom.

My dad's house used to be a farmhouse, and was built in 1859. Hell's bells, there's probably unmarked graves in the backyard.

And don't even think about how spots in retirement communities / assisted living homes open up.
 
2013-01-04 11:59:46 PM  

Nefarious: The house in question


I am sitting about a half mile from that house, so I am getting a haunt out of these replies.
 
2013-01-05 12:01:20 AM  
You're gonna die in there.

You're gonna die in there.

You're gonna die in there.

You're gonna die in there.

img856.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-05 12:02:08 AM  
A prior history of radon seeping into the home is indicative of a high likelihood of radon seeping in while you are living in it. A prior history of knives and/or bullets seeping into the prior inhabitants is not nearly as good of a predictor of future knife/bullet seepage, unless said seepage originated outside the house in question.
 
2013-01-05 12:02:57 AM  

bingethinker: Dude, what about if there was, like, a messy divorce there, or somebody with really bad karma? That could really, like, bum your chi right the f**k out, maaaaan!


They may have even cooked meat in the kitchen.
 
2013-01-05 12:04:23 AM  
what if the body;s still in the basement?
 
2013-01-05 12:05:02 AM  
came for Simpsons, leaving satisfied

/sure, Marge. "was".
 
2013-01-05 12:06:55 AM  
My advice to home buyers:

Remove the wall plates and look for splices. That's your curse. That's your fire.

Your concern should not be who died there, but what amateur electrician/plumber/carpenter LIVED there.

/from experience
 
2013-01-05 12:08:40 AM  
I would pay extra if the corpse is still in the foyer.
 
2013-01-05 12:13:39 AM  

sporkme: My advice to home buyers:

Remove the wall plates and look for splices. That's your curse. That's your fire.

Your concern should not be who died there, but what amateur electrician/plumber/carpenter LIVED there.

/from experience


So much THIS! The place I'm renting (one month left) was wired entirely with not one scrap of 12 ga wire and plumbed without ANY 3/4" pipe. Everything is smaller. The lights dim when you run the microwave and god help you if you are in the shower and somebody runs cold water ANYWHERE in the house. So glad to get the fark out of this shiathole. And all this for only $900/month.
 
2013-01-05 12:18:11 AM  
Radon can kill you. I lived in a house that had radon in the basement, and I think it did cause a few health issues.
 
2013-01-05 12:19:30 AM  
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-01-05 12:27:29 AM  

St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.


There's the truth *frowns, shakes head* and the truth *grins a million watt smile*
 
2013-01-05 12:35:53 AM  
redrum?
 
2013-01-05 12:42:40 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: CreamFilling: St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.

You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.

C'mon, make the walls bleed.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

Approves.
 
2013-01-05 12:48:09 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: cptjeff: Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]

Want.

Seriously, that looks like an awesome place to live. Insulation is probably crappy and the windows probably suck, so it'd cost a fortune to heat and cool, not to mention being drafty, but seriously, that's a badass house.

You could probably zombie proof it pretty cheaply too.


To keep them in or out?
 
2013-01-05 12:52:05 AM  
Both of the places we currently own had the owner die in them. The estate sale made them affordable. No ghosts yet. Can't complain.
 
2013-01-05 12:54:00 AM  
Wow, smitty, the State of Pennsylvania is reasonable compared to you.
 
2013-01-05 12:55:30 AM  
That's why I'm glad my home inspector talked me into the $59/month Murderous Intent Detector.
 
2013-01-05 01:10:14 AM  

Kaenneth: Satanic_Hamster: cptjeff: Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]

Want.

Seriously, that looks like an awesome place to live. Insulation is probably crappy and the windows probably suck, so it'd cost a fortune to heat and cool, not to mention being drafty, but seriously, that's a badass house.

You could probably zombie proof it pretty cheaply too.

To keep them in or out?


Which do you want?
 
2013-01-05 01:10:26 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: cptjeff: Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]

Want.

Seriously, that looks like an awesome place to live. Insulation is probably crappy and the windows probably suck, so it'd cost a fortune to heat and cool, not to mention being drafty, but seriously, that's a badass house.

You could probably zombie proof it pretty cheaply too.


Here I'm is, the ZOMBY PROOF
 
2013-01-05 01:13:40 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: CreamFilling: St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.

You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.

C'mon, make the walls bleed.


I don't have to entertain YOUUUU!!
 
2013-01-05 01:20:33 AM  

St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.


The possible exception being that it might be an indicator of the crime rate in the area, or that the wallpaper in the kitchen makes you want to kill someone, but generally speaking, I agree.

On a side note, I've lived where I live for 12+ years now. My building has 8 apartments. Since I've lived there, I've had three neighbors across the hall. One died. Directly above me, I've had four neighbors. One died. The other person on that floor/side is still alive. Across the hall, there have been 3 neighbors and two died. The other apartment on that floor had 3 people. None died. Up, upstairs, the one apartment has had one resident, who is still with us. The other one has had three people. Two died.

Of course, it's mostly senior and disability housing. People moved in with chronic emphysema, on a waiting list for a kidney, on chemo, and after a stroke. The rest where all 80+.
 
2013-01-05 01:23:38 AM  
I hear he's friendly.
www.disneycharacters.net
 
2013-01-05 01:38:07 AM  
Seriously, there is a home in West Des Moines, IA that was the site of two murders by successive owners.  Last I heard, it was still unsold.
 
2013-01-05 01:42:29 AM  
Oh and I just remembered, there is a vacant lot in a residential area of Des Moines near Drake University that remains vacant.

A family died in a house fire there.  Two years later, the husband/father, who was at work at the time of the fire, went back to the property, which still had a small equipment shed in the back yard.  He went into the shed and blew him self and the shed up with some sort of explosive.
 
2013-01-05 01:59:54 AM  
Watch out for those granite countertops!
 
2013-01-05 02:05:07 AM  
For  Subby, how radon affects humans:
georgiaradonmitigation.com

How stigmatized properties affect humans (worst case scenario):
filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-05 02:38:58 AM  
What if the house used to be a meth lab?
 
2013-01-05 02:50:41 AM  

aerojockey: Wow, smitty, the State of Pennsylvania is reasonable compared to you.


That's the nicest thing I think ever heard anybody here on Fark say about PA.
 
2013-01-05 02:58:34 AM  
jocutus: Then you can buy it off your parents at a significant discount. If you have the right lawyer.
 
2013-01-05 03:52:48 AM  

Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]


Looks like it has plenty of shade.
 
2013-01-05 04:54:34 AM  
I just bought a house, but the single woman owner took the body with her.!
The freezer in the garage was labeled to remain, and as I toured the place with a realtor we joked about the big black bag in side. After I moved in I found the bag was gone.
There is still one in the back yard I have not looked in yet.
Could she have forgotten the rest of the evidence?
Thank Dog the house came with a radon venting system installed, I sleep better at night.
 
2013-01-05 05:37:17 AM  
Radon can kill you, someone having been killing in the home has no effect on you.
 
Pav
2013-01-05 05:51:57 AM  
So she bought the house in 2007 and she lost 6 figures on the value of the home and she blames the murder suicide for it? Everyone in America lost huge amounts on their homes starting in the fall of 2007 .
 
2013-01-05 06:15:26 AM  
This is why I avoid hospitals. It's just too freaky being in a building where somebody has died.
 
2013-01-05 06:21:46 AM  

CreamFilling: You say that, but I plan on haunting the fark out of wherever I die.


www.irregularwebcomic.net
 
2013-01-05 06:33:32 AM  
Yeah subby if one thing pisses me off it's this libby lib "radon" myth.

Meanwhile gubbmint continues to stonewall on alien invasion.
 
2013-01-05 06:48:43 AM  
Having just gone through the horrors of selling and buying a house, this is relevant to my interest. Or, sounds like old news. Or, I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-01-05 10:39:44 AM  
what if i am anvid amature ghost hunter that happens to be lazy? maybe i want a prehaunted house
 
2013-01-05 10:53:09 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

/G-g-g-g-ghosts!
//Obligatory
 
pla
2013-01-05 10:59:49 AM  
Zeppelininthesky : Radon can kill you. I lived in a house that had radon in the basement, and I think it did cause a few health issues.

Windmills do not work that way, human!

The decay products of Radon cause cancer 40-50 years down the road. Exposure doesn't cause autism or CFS or IBS or any of a million other fluffy new-agey hard-to-pin-down complaints that all boil down to "we age, it sucks, keep moving or the worms will eat you".
 
2013-01-05 01:10:07 PM  

cptjeff: Nefarious: The house in question
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 600x381]

Want.

Seriously, that looks like an awesome place to live. Insulation is probably crappy and the windows probably suck, so it'd cost a fortune to heat and cool, not to mention being drafty, but seriously, that's a badass house.


I wonder what the maintenance costs would be.
 
2013-01-05 01:26:18 PM  

St_Francis_P: Because radon is dangerous, and causes health problems. Problems with murder or suicide are entirely in the imagination of the buyer.


Agreed.
 
2013-01-05 01:30:51 PM  
The apartment I left last month had a guy kill himself outside my window in 2007. My friends said I should move, but hey, it's not like he's coming back.
 
2013-01-05 03:09:07 PM  

thisisarepeat: sporkme:Your concern should not be who died there, but what amateur electrician/plumber/carpenter LIVED there.

... and god help you if you are in the shower and somebody runs cold water ANYWHERE in the house.


Beat this: My shower control is installed so that it runs some hot and some cold water, even turned all the way to "hot." You have to leave the sink running cold to get the shower up to a tolerable temperature.

There's also a random part of what probably should be basement space that you can't access. Don't particularly care about that one. (Freaks out my friends, though!)  I agree with the Weeners - if people don't know someone died there it won't hurt them, and the idea won't be there to trigger their imaginations, so they can just enjoy the place!
 
2013-01-05 03:10:36 PM  
Hey, I figured out what word combination makes it say Weeners! Finally!
 
2013-01-05 05:41:26 PM  

Sparky the Fire Dog: thisisarepeat: sporkme:Your concern should not be who died there, but what amateur electrician/plumber/carpenter LIVED there.

... and god help you if you are in the shower and somebody runs cold water ANYWHERE in the house.

Beat this: My shower control is installed so that it runs some hot and some cold water, even turned all the way to "hot." You have to leave the sink running cold to get the shower up to a tolerable temperature.

There's also a random part of what probably should be basement space that you can't access. Don't particularly care about that one. (Freaks out my friends, though!)  I agree with the Weeners - if people don't know someone died there it won't hurt them, and the idea won't be there to trigger their imaginations, so they can just enjoy the place!


One of those one knob shower faucet deals? it's probably one with a built in thermostat and it's either defective, or set wrong. shouldn't be too hard to replace, if, y'know, they bothered to install shut offs at the tub. like they did not do at my townhouse.

I would also check out mystery basement.. .many a horror movie has started that way
 
2013-01-05 08:39:50 PM  

Cerebral Knievel:
One of those one knob shower faucet deals? it's probably one with a built in thermostat and it's either defective, or set wrong. shouldn't be too hard to replace, if, y'know, they bothered to install shut offs at the tub. like they did not do at my townhouse.

I would also check out mystery basement.. .many a horror movie has started that way


Just had a friend who's a plumber look at the shower... he says there's a warped cartridge in the valve, which can be replaced. Yay!

As for the basement... I'm all for horror movies, but busting into there would take effort!
 
2013-01-05 08:57:08 PM  
good to hear about the faucet, things like that really shouldn't be beyond the scope of a any home owner with an afternoon to spare IMHO, but, that's just me. but I would go after mystery basement space.. if own the place, you have the right and whereforall to reclaim available space, and it sounds like an adventure to find out why it is sealed to begin with. at least to see if the mystery space is painted red and plastered with the years on end news clipping trophies of a serial killer and HEY! Bonus inter-dimensional vortex/ gateway to Hell hole!


or the remains of a old indoor grow room... whatever. perhaps a Skeleton and a dried u[p wine cask? hey! free skeleton!
 
2013-01-05 09:07:46 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: good to hear about the faucet, things like that really shouldn't be beyond the scope of a any home owner with an afternoon to spare IMHO, but, that's just me. but I would go after mystery basement space.. if own the place, you have the right and whereforall to reclaim available space, and it sounds like an adventure to find out why it is sealed to begin with. at least to see if the mystery space is painted red and plastered with the years on end news clipping trophies of a serial killer and HEY! Bonus inter-dimensional vortex/ gateway to Hell hole!

or the remains of a old indoor grow room... whatever. perhaps a Skeleton and a dried u[p wine cask? hey! free skeleton!


I figure I'd have a 50/50 chance of fixing the faucet myself or having to shut the water off until I could get someone to fix what I broke. I'm good on most small repairs, but have no experience with plumbing. So I'm calling in the friend, and trying to learn something by helping him.

I probably would go investigate the basement, but I don't own the place. I'm kinda house-sitting for a couple years, which means it's cheap and I can save up for paramedic school. (Plus I expect it's something boring, like something to do with reinforcing part of the foundation.)
 
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