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(WFAA Fort Worth)   American Eagle pilot arrested after an alcohol test revealed he was over the Minnesota 0.04% legal limit for pilots. In related news, PILOTS CAN LEGALLY FLY AFTER DRINKING in Minnesota   (wfaa.com) divider line 138
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2013-01-04 04:04:52 PM  
How else are you going to stay warm until the cabin heats up?
 
2013-01-04 04:06:50 PM  
Hell, I run a .04 cold sober
 
2013-01-04 04:08:04 PM  
.04 is when you had a sip or Coors Light 45 minutes ago.
 
2013-01-04 04:10:03 PM  
Wow.  I could see some lightweights being a little buzzed at .04.
 
2013-01-04 04:14:18 PM  
.04 means the dude had a beer with lunch. My pilot can be at .04 for the entire flight.
 
2013-01-04 04:16:32 PM  
Yes, but how was the Abercrombie and Fitch pilot?
 
2013-01-04 04:16:52 PM  
I thought there were some specific time limits between drinking and boarding the plane as well, 8 hours or 12 hours, rather than a allowable limit?
 
2013-01-04 04:19:11 PM  
6:30 am guy was preparing to do his best imitation of Denzel Washington as a pilot. 0.04 after a nights rest? That was some bender.
 
2013-01-04 04:19:24 PM  

JerseyTim: Yes, but how was the Abercrombie and Fitch pilot?


Hard to tell. His cologne was overpowering.
 
2013-01-04 04:19:44 PM  
What an inebriated airline pilot might look like:

media.npr.org
 
2013-01-04 04:20:16 PM  
Subby sounds madd.
 
2013-01-04 04:23:45 PM  
That's about 2 beers. Much more lenient than I would expect
 
2013-01-04 04:24:01 PM  
It's not Minnesota law it's FAA regs.
 
2013-01-04 04:29:31 PM  
It used to be 8 hours bottle to throttle.  Now the FAA has some pretty stiff regs.
 
2013-01-04 04:29:43 PM  
It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.
 
2013-01-04 04:39:37 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Hard to tell. His cologne was overpowering.


No shiat.  Whoever in their marketing department that decided that flooding a mall with cheap-ass cologne fumes for 30 stores in every direction should be taken out and skinned, and dipped in a vat of rubbing alcohol..
 
2013-01-04 04:40:34 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Hard to tell. His cologne was overpowering.


NO shiat.. I was at the mall last week and their store was pumping cheap shiat cologne out into the mall.. It was strong enough to choke a horse at 5000 yards.
 
2013-01-04 04:55:26 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: It used to be 8 hours bottle to throttle.  Now the FAA has some pretty stiff regs.


My brain went somewhere very dirty with that whole post.  Thank you.
 
2013-01-04 04:55:40 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: It used to be 8 hours bottle to throttle.




That's a good rule for driving as well as flying.
 
2013-01-04 04:56:30 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.


It's an entirely different kind of flying
 
2013-01-04 04:56:55 PM  

Apos: What an inebriated airline pilot might look like:

[media.npr.org image 850x637]


If that's what it takes to fly a commercial airliner upside down without stalling, more power to him.
 
2013-01-04 04:57:03 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.


i105.photobucket.com
"It's an entirely different kind of flying."
 
2013-01-04 04:58:38 PM  
I'll bet he's really drinking now!
 
2013-01-04 04:59:47 PM  
If piloting a plane is anything like bowling then I support it. Bowling doesn't go right without 2-3 beers.
 
2013-01-04 05:00:23 PM  
0.04%? That's more of a sort of glide than flying.
 
2013-01-04 05:00:25 PM  
Next up, we fly high

/both ways
 
2013-01-04 05:00:55 PM  
.04 is the limit for any commercial license. Pilot trucker limo driver bus driver.
 
2013-01-04 05:02:25 PM  
In Minnesota, you can't even call yourself a citizen unless you've had a few.
 
2013-01-04 05:03:07 PM  

NowhereMon: I thought there were some specific time limits between drinking and boarding the plane as well, 8 hours or 12 hours, rather than a allowable limit?


It's both. You have to abstain at least 8 hours, and after that, can't blow more than a .04.

Additionally, those are the legal minimums for any pilot under the FAA's jurisdiction. The approved operating procedures for a specific airline may specify stricter requirements on their pilots, from what I understand 12 or 24 hours is common for the airlines.
 
2013-01-04 05:03:30 PM  
Banana boat's coming
 
2013-01-04 05:04:51 PM  
Simplified Regulation :

91.17 (a) No flying :
(1) within 8 hours of drinking
(2) while under the influence
(3) - drug related -
(4) with a BAC > .04

My understanding is that there's an implied 'Or' between 1, 2, 3 and 4.

It's hard to understand how you could have a BAC of .04 and not be under the influence.
 
2013-01-04 05:05:11 PM  
.04 to avoid false positives. You aren't allowed to actually drink any booze before flying.
 
2013-01-04 05:05:26 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: It used to be 8 hours bottle to throttle.  Now the FAA has some pretty stiff regs.


And American Eagle has some pretty stiff pilots...

/rimshot
//tip your waitress
 
2013-01-04 05:06:31 PM  

LaraAmber: My brain went somewhere very dirty with that whole post.  Thank you.


Glad to be of service.
 
2013-01-04 05:07:17 PM  
Oops - my bad. Airlines don't fly under Part 91.
 
2013-01-04 05:07:27 PM  
I REALLY needed a drink last week flying to Rochester. I was on one of those little CRJ's out of Philly. We lifted off, gear came up, we were climbing out, when suddenly, without warning, the plane rolls into a 45 degree bank to the right, dfoes like a 2g turn, then rolls 90 degrees to the left, into a left 45 degree 2g turn, then levels out and continues climbing. I ripped my headphones off (was listening to the Jonny Quest theme, as I usually do during takeoffs) and damm near pissed my pants. What was it? A controls failure, crazy pilot fight in the cockpit??

No. A flight of geese flew in front of the plane after liftoff and the pilot went all Top Gunny to avoid them. I was impressed at the roll rate the pilot was able to generate with the CRJ. Almost as quick as the Pitts Special I used to fly.
 
2013-01-04 05:07:54 PM  
6:30am??
 
2013-01-04 05:08:13 PM  
I've woke up after 7-8 hours of sleep with a BAC of 3 times that.
 
2013-01-04 05:09:43 PM  

DoctorOfLove: .04 to avoid false positives. You aren't allowed to actually drink any booze before flying.


Technically if you had a beer at the age of 18, and you flew at the age of 34, you would have drunk before flying.  Your argument is invalid.

On the other hand, I got grounded for black olives once.
 
2013-01-04 05:09:59 PM  

Apos: What an inebriated airline pilot might look like:

[media.npr.org image 850x637]


That movie was pretty good.
 
2013-01-04 05:11:57 PM  
Darn hipster airlines.

www.outletnote.com
 
2013-01-04 05:12:07 PM  

lewismarktwo: Apos: What an inebriated airline pilot might look like:

[media.npr.org image 850x637]

That movie was pretty good.


Yes, it was.
 
2013-01-04 05:13:02 PM  
Not his fault really, the bar said it was only a mini soda.
 
2013-01-04 05:13:24 PM  
What are the limits for a CDL? I thought OTR drivers had .02 as a limit. How are pilots allowed more?
 
2013-01-04 05:13:30 PM  

Hebjamn: Simplified Regulation :

91.17 (a) No flying :
(1) within 8 hours of drinking
(2) while under the influence
(3) - drug related -
(4) with a BAC > .04

My understanding is that there's an implied 'Or' between 1, 2, 3 and 4.

It's hard to understand how you could have a BAC of .04 and not be under the influence.


It's hard to understand how you could have a BAC of .04 and be considered under the influence
 
2013-01-04 05:13:46 PM  
 
2013-01-04 05:14:42 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Apos: What an inebriated airline pilot might look like:

[media.npr.org image 850x637]

If that's what it takes to fly a commercial airliner upside down without stalling, more power to him.


Even if it's a dangerous crutch?
 
2013-01-04 05:15:58 PM  
It should be higher due to our proximity to Wisconsin.
 
2013-01-04 05:17:03 PM  
How about an Old Fashioned?
 
2013-01-04 05:20:00 PM  
Isn't flying high into the sky part of the song?
 
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