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(CNN)   CNN sums up all of America's current problems. It's Bush's fault   (cnn.com) divider line 135
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2013-01-04 01:08:21 PM
In the final deal, Congress and President Barack Obama agreed to preserve most of the Bush tax cuts, including exemptions on the estate tax.

I wish we would have gone off the cliff.

And Bush Jr is the worst president since Woodrow Wilson.
 
2013-01-04 01:14:13 PM
I find no fault with that reasoning.
 
2013-01-04 01:16:03 PM
Yeah, and we blame arsonists for fires even after the FD shows up and starts putting them out, so what's your point exactly?
 
2013-01-04 01:16:24 PM
It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.
 
2013-01-04 01:18:40 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


Trivial Pursuit will now have the question: Who were the two sitting Vice Presidents to have shot people?
 
2013-01-04 01:18:42 PM
No mention of GWB lying bald faced to get revenge for The Shoeshine Boy 'humiliating' his father?
 
2013-01-04 01:18:54 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


lots of comedy fodder
 
2013-01-04 01:18:54 PM
If you drop a turd in the punch bowl you can expect to take the blame.
 
2013-01-04 01:18:56 PM

Poopspasm: I find no fault with that reasoning.


Well, some of our current problems are Reagan's fault.
 
2013-01-04 01:18:58 PM
No, subby, no. It's YOUR fault.
 
2013-01-04 01:20:16 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


They didn't leave a single child behind.
 
2013-01-04 01:20:33 PM
We where greeted as liberators for about half an hour. Don't forget that.
 
2013-01-04 01:21:32 PM

BunkoSquad: Yeah, and we blame arsonists for fires even after the FD shows up and starts putting them out, so what's your point exactly?


No, you own that fire now.
 
2013-01-04 01:24:33 PM
No, it isn't and it never was.

I realize that after 2000 and 2004 you needed, for your own sanity, for Bush to be responsible for some major scandal or problem but the fact is the economic collapse wasn't his fault even partially.
 
2013-01-04 01:24:44 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


He threw that first pitch at Yankee Stadium post-9/11, and it was a strike. That was pretty awesome. Also, he caught that fish, which he mentioned was a highlight of his two terms.
 
2013-01-04 01:25:58 PM

randomjsa: I realize that after 2000 and 2004 you needed, for your own sanity, for Bush to be responsible for some major scandal or problem but the fact is the economic collapse wasn't his fault even partially.


True, it was the GOP Congress in the 1990's who thought that repealing Glass-Steagall was a great idea.

Thanks for reminding us! :)
 
2013-01-04 01:26:25 PM
If your legacy is the struggle to undo your legacy by all future presidents, then yes. I guess you've made your mark, in your way.
 
2013-01-04 01:26:36 PM

Nadie_AZ: And Bush Jr is the worst president since Woodrow Wilson.


That's totally unfair to Warren G. Harding and Herbert Hoover.
 
2013-01-04 01:27:23 PM
An op/ed piece from a Princeton professor is "CNN"? It's the opinion of a professor, not the news organization, or even their primary researchers or journalists. If you think the op/ed section of any paper is the official opinion of the entire organization, you're an idiot.
 
2013-01-04 01:31:06 PM
I am going to go out on a limb here and say it's Washington DC's fault. I further purpose that we wall up the city and all the people there, provided NO supplies or support and see what survives a year later. Survivor DC.
 
2013-01-04 01:32:13 PM

randomjsa: No, it isn't and it never was.

I realize that after 2000 and 2004 you needed, for your own sanity, for Bush to be responsible for some major scandal or problem but the fact is the economic collapse wasn't his fault even partially.


While I agree that ALL of our current challenges are not Bush's fault, the consequences of simultaneously lowering taxes AND going on trillion-dollar binges in Iraq and Afghanistan certainly are.
 
2013-01-04 01:32:43 PM
It's not all Bush's fault. After all, it was Reaganism that turned us into a debtor nation. Reaganism brought the modern deficit, by teaching America that the government can run on credit and never pay its bills. Reaganism that taught America how they too can accumulate debt, and how it doesn't matter, because how wealthy you are is only limited by the size of your credit line. Reaganism that began an America that normalized cradle to grave debt. Reaganism brought America the New Indentured Servitude. It's couched in vacuous chants of capitalism.

Enjoy that "freedom". Hope you want fries with that.
 
2013-01-04 01:34:07 PM
I fail to see where they're wrong. Eventually, at some point, we were going to have to pay for all that free crap, including the wars.
 
2013-01-04 01:35:27 PM

Stone Meadow: the consequences of simultaneously lowering taxes AND going on trillion-dollar binges in Iraq and Afghanistan certainly are.


That was far and away the most idiotic thing any president has done in my lifetime. And I'm old.
 
2013-01-04 01:43:23 PM
History books will be blaming Bush for generations (except in Texas, of course).
 
2013-01-04 01:43:38 PM
I thought it was Obama's fault according to certain individuals in this thread and others.
 
2013-01-04 01:44:27 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


Are you kidding?  He wasn't blah.  He was born rich.  He was proud of his hillbilly ignorance.  You want to plug straight into the brains of the Honey Boo Boo crowd, that's all you need.
 
2013-01-04 01:44:32 PM

JohnBigBootay: Stone Meadow: the consequences of simultaneously lowering taxes AND going on trillion-dollar binges in Iraq and Afghanistan certainly are.

That was far and away the most idiotic thing any president has done in my lifetime. And I'm old.


Yup, worst President in my lifetime...and I remember Ike.

/followed closely by Ronald Reagan
 
2013-01-04 01:44:55 PM
Bringing up past presidents like Bush or Reagan is a pathetic attempt to derail the present issues. Stop blaming the past and focus on the now.

Now let me also explain how everything is the fault of Clinton and Carter. Oooooooo they make me so mad.
 
2013-01-04 01:45:48 PM
Only the financial ones
 
2013-01-04 01:47:29 PM

Neeek: Well, some of our current problems are Reagan's fault.


neongoats: It's not all Bush's fault. After all, it was Reaganism that turned us into a debtor nation. Reaganism brought the modern deficit, by teaching America that the government can run on credit and never pay its bills.


It's always amazing to me how one-sided the blame is for the "Reagan" deficits while Tip O'Neill gets nary a mention for his absolute failure to deliver on any of the spending cuts promised with the negotiations over taxes in the early 1980s. For ever $1 of tax cuts, they promised around $3 of spending cuts but failed to deliver on any of it.

Does Reagan bear some of the responsibility? Sure, but it's an exercise of complete partisan hackery to deny that the Democrats had any responsibility whatsoever.
 
2013-01-04 01:48:21 PM

randomjsa: No, it isn't and it never was.

I realize that after 2000 and 2004 you needed, for your own sanity, for Bush to be responsible for some major scandal or problem but the fact is the economic collapse wasn't his fault even partially.


The SEC made the decision to let the big 5 banks self-regulate, and set their own debt obligations. Bear Stearns, for example, almost immediately took on a debt ratio of 33 to 1 - meaning they had $33 in debt for every $1 of capital they actually held. Lehman Brothers went even longer, at 35 to 1.

Bush appointed the idiots who made that decision.
/Yes. I know you're a troll. This is still important information that bears repeating
 
2013-01-04 01:51:47 PM
www.theliberaloc.com

W just got sloppy seconds. Reagan screwed America first.
 
2013-01-04 01:52:23 PM
...yeah, I'd agree with that. Maybe not all of our problems, but a damn large majority of them. Bush is the absolute worst president we've had since...hm...Hoover?
 
2013-01-04 01:52:54 PM
No, it's the current crop of Tea Party Republicans fault. We could have had a great fiscally conservative deal that cut spending and raised taxes, but they negotiatied in bad faith. The latest deal could have had more spending cuts, but once again the Tea Party Republicans refused to be reasonable and the President was not going move first, because of the previous negotiations that failed anyway.

Fortunately Boehner cracked down on the Tea Party and reigned them in. Now the question is there going to be a split between the Tea Party and Republicans in 2014. If there is we may see a three party House and Senate for time.
 
2013-01-04 01:53:33 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


They came to an end.


It was a terrible end considering there were three wars going on and the housing, jobs and financial markets were crashing to Depression-era levels.

But at least he didn't nuke anyone because "they tried to kill my dad".
 
2013-01-04 01:53:35 PM
A lot of what we are experiencing are the effects of the GOP controlling the House, Senate, and Executive branch.
 
2013-01-04 01:59:17 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


I suspect he will get more credit than he actually deserves for Afghanistan.
I also suspect that somewhere down the line, some historian who is looking for something both true and kind to say will credit him with helping to control AIDS in Africa and for appointing the first Black Secretary of State.
 
2013-01-04 02:03:03 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.

They came to an end.


WINNER
 
2013-01-04 02:04:08 PM

TypoFlyspray: will credit him with helping to control AIDS in Africa and for appointing the first Black Secretary of State.


And helping elect the first Black President
 
2013-01-04 02:07:56 PM

randomjsa: No, it isn't and it never was.

I realize that after 2000 and 2004 you needed, for your own sanity, for Bush to be responsible for some major scandal or problem but the fact is the economic collapse wasn't his fault even partially.


Thanks for reminding me that I have more productive shait to do today
 
2013-01-04 02:09:10 PM

leviosaurus: The SEC made the decision to let the big 5 banks self-regulate, and set their own debt obligations. Bear Stearns, for example, almost immediately took on a debt ratio of 33 to 1 - meaning they had $33 in debt for every $1 of capital they actually held. Lehman Brothers went even longer, at 35 to 1.

Bush appointed the idiots who made that decision.
/Yes. I know you're a troll. This is still important information that bears repeating


And Democrats beared no responsibility, I'm sure.
 
2013-01-04 02:09:49 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.

They came to an end.


It was a terrible end considering there were three wars going on and the housing, jobs and financial markets were crashing to Depression-era levels.

But at least he didn't nuke anyone because "they tried to kill my dad".


Or as someone said on election night 2008, it was "the end of an error".
 
2013-01-04 02:09:56 PM

themindiswatching: I thought it was Obama's fault according to certain individuals in this thread and others.


Before Obama was in office, I thought it was FDR's fault.
 
2013-01-04 02:11:39 PM

TypoFlyspray: Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.

I suspect he will get more credit than he actually deserves for Afghanistan.
I also suspect that somewhere down the line, some historian who is looking for something both true and kind to say will credit him with helping to control AIDS in Africa and for appointing the first Black Secretary of State.


Credit for what in Afghanistan? We spent untold billions and many US soldiers' lives (and NATO soldiers') (and NGOs') for . . . what? They dislike us more than ever. The bare vestiges of security we have brought will evaporate quickly when we leave. The ascendent powers in Afghanistan will resume kill girls for going to school and learning to read.
 
2013-01-04 02:12:11 PM

TypoFlyspray: Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.

I suspect he will get more credit than he actually deserves for Afghanistan.
I also suspect that somewhere down the line, some historian who is looking for something both true and kind to say will credit him with helping to control AIDS in Africa and for appointing the first Black Secretary of State.


I don't really think positive credit is going to go to anyone about Afghanistan. No one in their right kind is still entertaining the sheer absurd fantasy that any real lasting progress has been made. Ok, the Taliban is gone. For now. OBL is dead, but wasn't there anyway.

5 years after we're out, it will be exactly as big a shiathole as it was in the first place.
 
2013-01-04 02:13:29 PM

JacksonBryan: TypoFlyspray: will credit him with helping to control AIDS in Africa and for appointing the first Black Secretary of State.

And helping elect the first Black President


Which begat the Tea Party, our very own homegrown terrorist organization.
 
2013-01-04 02:15:11 PM
I think there's room in that spotlight for a few more people besides just Bush like Cheney, Rummy, Condi, DeLay, Gonazales, Bolton, Scooter, Abramoff, Ney, Rove, Armitage, Kerik, Lay, Goodling,....

Just off the top of my head.
 
2013-01-04 02:15:41 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: It is difficult to imagine what history will see as the positive acpects of the Bush Administration.


I'm a libby lib and couldn't stand Bush, hell, I'm not even American but was in the USA for most of his administration. But that time he showed up unannounced in Afghanistan on Thanksgiving to surprise the military personnel was pretty awesome. I kinda liked the guy for about two or three days after that.
 
2013-01-04 02:17:21 PM

randomjsa: No, it isn't and it never was.

I realize that after 2000 and 2004 you needed, for your own sanity, for Bush to be responsible for some major scandal or problem but the fact is the economic collapse wasn't his fault even partially.


I despise W and his reign of terror, but blaming him solely for the state this country finds itself in is intellectually dishonest. He certainly didn't help things by any stretch, but the systematic dismantling of regulation was a 30 year process at least.

Americans are also REALLY fond of shifting blame to politicians when they'd be well-advised to take a good look in the mirror instead. The jackals on Wall Street and in DC could not have possibly gotten away with the economic crimes they did had the American public at large not been asleep at the wheel.
 
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