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2013-01-04 06:12:12 PM
Volt = Poo.
 
2013-01-04 06:16:27 PM
I see a lot of them around town. A guy down the street just got a shiny new Tesla.
 
2013-01-04 06:17:09 PM

oh_please: How about this statement earlier in the thread?

That's pretty self-explanatory. I know how to drive a car. I understand more about vehicle dynamics and the capabilities and limits of my car than 99% of people on the road, so I don't need a lecture on road safety.

Never once have I claimed to be a race car driver. But I do work with professional drivers, and that affords all kinds of opportunities to go to track days and goof around in a wide range of cars.

That whole argument began because when I mentioned the 101 mph limit, some moron incorrectly assumed that I had driven the car 101 mph in public and proceeded to lecture me about what was and was not an appropriate speed on the road, as if I was a child that needed a stern reminder about responsible driving and it was his rightful place to give me that reminder.

The point of my response, for those too obtuse to grasp it, was that if I feel like driving 101 mph, I don't need to do it in public. I have plenty of opportunity to do it at a race track or testing facility, and since people can and unfortunately sometimes do get killed in crashes where I work, I'm acutely aware of due and undue risk.

The only thing worse than someone bragging is when that person has to back down from it...that's just sad.

I can think of a few worse things. For example, people who assume much and know very little.

 
2013-01-04 06:17:56 PM
Aw shiat, I hate it when that happens.
 
2013-01-04 06:19:36 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: And I thank God for the brave early adopters that get these things off the ground.


THIS!

/For me at least, and all the other laggards without smart phones

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-04 06:20:47 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Well, thank you, Guy Who Incorrectly Assumes Gender In Other Posters.


My bad. It's a good thing nobody else in the thread has incorrectly assumed anything, huh?
 
2013-01-04 06:26:44 PM
I am legitimately debating between leasing a 335i sedan and the Chevy Volt.

Obviously two entirely different classes of cars, but the fact that the Volt has my ear in my market segment is remarkable. Since I moved to place that doesn't have a track even remotely nearby, torque is more important than horsepower in order for me to get my jollies these days. Instant torque is very appealing. My big knock for the Volt is no factory HID option.. though that can, of course, be mitigated aftermarket.
 
2013-01-04 06:26:51 PM

CthulhuCalling: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Smidge204: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Know what happens when the battery goes dead in a Volt?

/you can't unlock the doors
//how annoying
///especially if your phone is locked inside

Which battery? There's more than one. Not that it really matters, because the Volt has a regular key lock on the Driver's door like nearly every other car on the market...
=Smidge=

I admit I heard the story secondhand, but apparently the blue-tooth didn't shut down and drained the battery that runs the lights, etc. The way the story was told, the guy couldn't get into the car.
Exaggeration is definite possibility

/would be kind of dismaying to press the fob button and have nothing happen, though

was this the same guy who locked his keys outside his car?


I think this was the guy that locked himself in the car
 
2013-01-04 06:31:26 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Know what happens when the battery goes dead in a Volt?

/you can't unlock the doors
//how annoying
///especially if your phone is locked inside


The Prius has a 12V car battery that handles this. I'm sure the Volt is similar.
 
2013-01-04 06:40:29 PM

texanjeff: Why all the volt hate?

Never understood it. Seems like the same guys who want energy independance simultaneously believe we only should use gasoline for transportation. Of course the same guys are against giving out birth control to poor people while simultaneously giving welfare to the same poor people who had babies because they couldn't afford birth control so there you go
.


I resisted the urge to "THIS" 2 other comments between my previous "THIS" statement, because generally I think it is overused...but goddammitTHISsomuch.
 
2013-01-04 06:43:21 PM

Minarets: Or, they sold 23,461 which is slightly more than 3.


Angry Monkey: Volt = $42,000
Prius = $24,000

One of these is one of the best selling cars in America.

Chevy has been offering leases at $289/mo which is much better than buying the car outright right now.


Toyota sold 2800 Prius a day. It's the #3 best selling car IN THE WORLD.
Say goodbye to the 'volt'
 
2013-01-04 06:48:59 PM
Ah yes, the Chevy Volt:

It costs $89,000 to make, yet sells for $38,000;

They give you $8000 in free tax money out of my pocket if you buy one;

It would take you 360,000 miles at prevailing prices to recoup your savings in fuel economy;

And I have to pay for your fathersticking car, even if I don't drive the bastard myself.

Small wonder the Red Chinese are eating our lunch in the global market.
 
2013-01-04 07:05:31 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: CthulhuCalling: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Smidge204: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Know what happens when the battery goes dead in a Volt?

/you can't unlock the doors
//how annoying
///especially if your phone is locked inside

Which battery? There's more than one. Not that it really matters, because the Volt has a regular key lock on the Driver's door like nearly every other car on the market...
=Smidge=

I admit I heard the story secondhand, but apparently the blue-tooth didn't shut down and drained the battery that runs the lights, etc. The way the story was told, the guy couldn't get into the car.
Exaggeration is definite possibility

/would be kind of dismaying to press the fob button and have nothing happen, though

was this the same guy who locked his keys outside his car?

I think this was the guy that locked himself in the car


Hey we know the same guy!
 
2013-01-04 07:10:25 PM
Volt = 100,000$ minus the feds handing 45K of OUR money to the manufacturer as a subsidy.

Nice idea. Not feasible for most yet, but we'll get there.
 
2013-01-04 07:13:28 PM

olddinosaur: Ah yes, the Chevy Volt:

It costs $89,000 to make, yet sells for $38,000;


I understand math and facts are difficult for some folks, but here's the latest numbers: the development cost of the Volt is roughly $1.2 billion dollars.

To date, they've sold 31,132 Volts.

1.2-billion dollars divided by 31,132 = $38,545 per car. Current selling price of a Volt? $42,000.

I'm not exactly seeing the outrage here.
 
2013-01-04 07:18:47 PM
Ahh, sorry - the current MSRP for the lowest model is $39,145. Of course there are labor costs, and materials costs - but when it comes to purely development cost vs. sales, GM is now makes money on each one sold. It won't be long until they make true profit on the auto, especially as the R&D costs become amortized to other models.
 
2013-01-04 07:20:32 PM

MrSteve007: olddinosaur: Ah yes, the Chevy Volt:

It costs $89,000 to make, yet sells for $38,000;

I understand math and facts are difficult for some folks, but here's the latest numbers: the development cost of the Volt is roughly $1.2 billion dollars.

To date, they've sold 31,132 Volts.

1.2-billion dollars divided by 31,132 = $38,545 per car. Current selling price of a Volt? $42,000.

I'm not exactly seeing the outrage here.


That was the development costs, add those to the materials and labor costs to make the car, not to mention advertising, and profit for the dealerships.
 
2013-01-04 07:27:42 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The Prius is a hipster piece of shiat.


+1 Would troll again

/NOT
//(used) Car payment = amount saved on gas (on average) each month
///Essentially driving for free!!! (in comparison to the '97 CRV) biatchES

\Will laugh all the way to the bank on this one
 
2013-01-04 07:37:17 PM

sararenne: The Prius is ugly


In my senior year of high school I had lengthy debates with my best friend (in the process of drinking lots of beer and contemplating the pros and cons of battlebot design) regarding:

Is beauty inherent or observed?

/Meh, I spent valuable hours thinking and debating the points between engineers, I'll take your comment with a grain of salt until you PROVE YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT! (sub 30 IQ, I'm not just throwing names around)
 
2013-01-04 08:57:01 PM

YodaBlues: The Fifth Dentist: YodaBlues: ringersol: BadReligion: "Gas only stays good for about 6 months, so she should use up her tank soon or it will be filled with bad gas."

The Volt will actually run the engine from time to time to mitigate the problems that stem from having a modern ICE sitting idle for months.

Look at that, you're right. From wiki:
"Also the engine management system monitors the time between engine running and it is programmed to prompt the driver to run past the 40-mile (64 km) before recharging in order to consume some gasoline. If the driver does not run on gasoline, the system will automatically run the maintenance mode which starts the engine to consume some of the aging fuel and circulate the fluids within the engine."

That's pretty neat. Shame it's so expensive though.

Pretty neat until it fires itself up in your enclosed garage...yeah , no thanks

The engine only goes in maintenance mode while your driving it numbnuts.


I never realized how stupid 45% of the population is...

/Just think how stupid the average person is, and realize...50% of people are dumber than that!
 
2013-01-04 09:02:23 PM

ha-ha-guy: It's not designed to be a mass market product, with a custom engine that involves some manufacturing processes we'd rather move away from. The long term plan is to learn from the Volt 1.0 and move in the direction of parts commonality with other small class platforms (Chevy Cruze) to bring the price down.

The Volt is offered with the mindset of "Some people will pay a premium for performance, some people will pay a premium for luxury, and some people will pay for this." You don't expect a 750iL to sell at the level as a Civic, same with the Volt.

/and some people actually live a life style where the car fits them perfectly
//GM engineer
/the general belief has always been "no real hope of mass market love for it until it hovers around 30k"


GM engineer huh? Let me tell you how to sell electric cars. Ready? STOP MAKING THEM LOOK LIKE ELECTRIC CARS. Make them look normal. so far, you're getting in the right direction. but we need more progress. ty. xoxox.
 
2013-01-04 09:10:55 PM

fo_sho!: Big_Thumb: fo_sho!: GM screwed up with the marketing of a really cool vehicle type.

Instead of building the volt as a warmed over Malibu styled Chevrolet - they should have built the Cadillac Volt.

Add some leather and Caddy cues to the interior - it looks pretty cool as is:
[www.autoguide.com image 640x427]

Add some Edgy Cadillac "art and science" styling:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
OK maybe not that sleek but you get the idea.

...then advertise it as "the standard of the world". Sell it for about what it goes for now.

Nobody would complain about spending $40k on a Caddy, and the 0-60 and handling deficiencies don't apply to something that gets infinite MPG for short trips.

Instead, a boring ass beige Chebby that people buy in spite of its plebeian looks.

There is a Cadillac version in the works for 2014, but I agree with your point.

Link

Kewl. Didn't know about that, and I hit Jalopnik from time to time and have a C & D subscription.

The problem now is the Caddy will be perceived as a souped up Chevy, whereas if they had just listened to me it would be perceived as an example of high end technology making it's way into affordable cars.


Let's just hope it's received better than the Cimmaron.....
 
2013-01-04 09:14:42 PM

Elroydb: Each Chevy Volt comes with a $7500 tax rebate. Average income of Volt owners is $175,000. Talk about the middle class subsidizing the rich so they can feel better about themselves


Yeah, then wonder why when Boehner proposed a tax increase on people with an INCOME over 1,000,000 per YEAR he couldn't even pass it through a house controlled by his party...
 
2013-01-04 09:29:35 PM

imgod2u: unstable mass layoff


fark EVERYONE!

/nO REALLY fark EVERYONE, I GOT MINE.


/dRUNK, LOVES America, loves his life...

///But I'll be goddamned if the whole idea of Americans doing useful work got run off the rails by Republicans who didn't want to admit that Democrats love America too.

////fark them
//fark them so much
//...
 
2013-01-04 10:02:23 PM

BadReligion: MrSteve007: olddinosaur: Ah yes, the Chevy Volt:

It costs $89,000 to make, yet sells for $38,000;

I understand math and facts are difficult for some folks, but here's the latest numbers: the development cost of the Volt is roughly $1.2 billion dollars.

To date, they've sold 31,132 Volts.

1.2-billion dollars divided by 31,132 = $38,545 per car. Current selling price of a Volt? $42,000.

I'm not exactly seeing the outrage here.

That was the development costs, add those to the materials and labor costs to make the car, not to mention advertising, and profit for the dealerships.


Well, given that you typically depreciate development costs over a 10 year period, it's a lie to simply divide the number of Volts by the cost of development after 2-3 years of sales.
 
2013-01-04 10:21:36 PM
Well, this thread degenerated quickly. I just think the Volt is a great concept and a pretty damn good implementation of that concept. I have my trusty Subaru Lesbian Assault Vehicle (GL10 Wagon) for our harsh winters here in Arizona.

YES, we have winters here in Arizona, especially up here at 7,000 feet. I had to pick up my nephew at a friend's house up Water Canyon Road, which is particularly treacherous and snowy. The Subaru LAV handled like a charm in 4WD. I wish I lived in an area where electric was feasible, or even public transport. It's a biatch owning a car. I'd much rather live in New York and have a Metro card.
 
2013-01-04 10:43:23 PM

kriegfusion: GM engineer huh? Let me tell you how to sell electric cars. Ready? STOP MAKING THEM LOOK LIKE ELECTRIC CARS. Make them look normal. so far, you're getting in the right direction. but we need more progress. ty. xoxox.


So far, this has not been a winning strategy for hybrid cars. Just ask the literally dozens of fans of the Honda Civc Hybrid:

media.caranddriver.com
 
2013-01-04 10:52:11 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Make fun all you want, but my friend Meg (Shut up, Meg!) bought one of these a few months ago and still hasn't bought gas for it. It's her daily commuter in Phoenix. Her husband is an engineer at Boeing, and these people had the foresight to start hoarding Apple stock before OSX or even i-Anything came out. I trust their judgment.

If I lived in an urban area, I would totally consider an electric vehicle. It's the future, baby. And I thank God for the brave early adopters that get these things off the ground.


Ok, but exactly how much is it costing them in electricity to charge it?

I love arguments like this for plug-in hybrids and EVs. "Oh the savings on gas are amazing!" "Ok. But how much more are you paying per month for electricity now?"

Don't get me wrong...I own a Prius C (not a plug-in) and love it. But you can't have a reasonable discussion about saving money on gas without owning up to how much more is being spent on electricity to charge the thing.
 
2013-01-04 11:30:13 PM
Unless they make huge improvements to the technology (note that the physics of batteries has not changed in centuries) I dont see how these can really take off. $40k is way too much for average folk to pay for a car. I commute in a 2003 corolla that the wife paid 15k for and when I replace it I plan on buying something under 10k (lightly used versa, yaris, etc). There is no way the savings in gas in the volt is going to make up for the 25-30k difference in price, not unless I were to own the car for my remaining days plus a decade or two. The $300/month lease option is no more attractive. They no doubt limit the mileage so much that you cant really use the thing. My commute is just under 100mi a day, so unless they offer 2500 miles/month under the lease its a non-starter.
 
2013-01-04 11:37:46 PM

Ima4nic8or: Unless they make huge improvements to the technology (note that the physics of batteries has not changed in centuries) I dont see how these can really take off.


The bold part there is false, FYI.

And if I were in the market for a new vehicle, I could lease a new Volt or LEAF for effectively less than I could lease a new Prius. Price and affordability are not the same thing.
=Smidge=
 
2013-01-04 11:48:51 PM

texanjeff: Why all the volt hate?

Never understood it. Seems like the same guys who want energy independance simultaneously believe we only should use gasoline for transportation. Of course the same guys are against giving out birth control to poor people while simultaneously giving welfare to the same poor people who had babies because they couldn't afford birth control so there you go.


Because people (read: idiots) like to make fun of companies for crap they were doing 20+ years ago. GM, Ford, and Microsoft all immediately come to mind.

"Their current stuff is really good."

"HAHAHAHA THOSE COMPANIES SUCK. I REMEMBER MY CHEVY 95 USED TO BLUE SCREEN WHEN IT WAS COLD OUT AND I WANTED TO EMAIL TO WORK!!!"

"Have you tried their latest offerings?"

"NAH, I DON'T GIVE MY MONEY TO M$HEVY AFTER WHAT HAPPENED TO ME YEARS AGO!"

"But their stuff is good..."

"SHILL! SHILL!"
GM could make a buttplug that could give you an IQ of 200, make you never have to shiat, ever, and include a supermodel wife, for free... and people would still bring up how their car didn't work well 25 years ago.
 
2013-01-05 03:32:54 AM

Ima4nic8or: Unless they make huge improvements to the technology (note that the physics of batteries has not changed in centuries) I dont see how these can really take off. $40k is way too much for average folk to pay for a car. I commute in a 2003 corolla that the wife paid 15k for and when I replace it I plan on buying something under 10k (lightly used versa, yaris, etc). There is no way the savings in gas in the volt is going to make up for the 25-30k difference in price, not unless I were to own the car for my remaining days plus a decade or two. The $300/month lease option is no more attractive. They no doubt limit the mileage so much that you cant really use the thing. My commute is just under 100mi a day, so unless they offer 2500 miles/month under the lease its a non-starter.


In fairness, it's not really made for you. It's made for those of us with 30-40 mile commutes. We're the ones who could realistically drive it without using much gas at all.
 
2013-01-05 05:16:16 AM

Hickory-smoked: Jayone: /Besides that,,,isn't all that plugged in energy thing coming from a coal power plant. Much less efficent than something that burns gasoline locally!

How do you figure?


In fact, burning combustible fuel at a centralized plant can be more efficient than an internal combustion engine, as it can burn the fuel at a higher temperature than it's safe to do in a car. Transmission losses eat up some of that, of course.
 
2013-01-05 06:55:09 AM

BadReligion: ecmoRandomNumbers: Make fun all you want, but my friend Meg (Shut up, Meg!) bought one of these a few months ago and still hasn't bought gas for it. It's her daily commuter in Phoenix. Her husband is an engineer at Boeing, and these people had the foresight to start hoarding Apple stock before OSX or even i-Anything came out. I trust their judgment.

If I lived in an urban area, I would totally consider an electric vehicle. It's the future, baby. And I thank God for the brave early adopters that get these things off the ground.

Gas only stays good for about 6 months, so she should use up her tank soon or it will be filled with bad gas.


Ah, but you see. The Volt is equipped with technology that knows the average age of the gas in your car and will switch over to automatically use gas if it's getting too old.

/the more you know
//owns 2 Volts
///best cars I've owned
//// pay less for these than the vehicles they replaced
// the number one car people trade in to buy a Volt? Prius.
 
2013-01-05 11:52:39 AM

iucpa: BadReligion: ecmoRandomNumbers: Make fun all you want, but my friend Meg (Shut up, Meg!) bought one of these a few months ago and still hasn't bought gas for it. It's her daily commuter in Phoenix. Her husband is an engineer at Boeing, and these people had the foresight to start hoarding Apple stock before OSX or even i-Anything came out. I trust their judgment.

If I lived in an urban area, I would totally consider an electric vehicle. It's the future, baby. And I thank God for the brave early adopters that get these things off the ground.

Gas only stays good for about 6 months, so she should use up her tank soon or it will be filled with bad gas.

Ah, but you see. The Volt is equipped with technology that knows the average age of the gas in your car and will switch over to automatically use gas if it's getting too old.

/the more you know
//owns 2 Volts
///best cars I've owned
//// pay less for these than the vehicles they replaced
// the number one car people trade in to buy a Volt? Prius.


You are full of shiat. It knows how old the gas is... lmfao.
And why would a Prius owner trade DOWN from a 5 passenger vehicle to a 4 passenger vehicle for more money? Not to mention the Prius has more than double the cargo capacity of your measly 10cf volt.
 
2013-01-05 12:17:36 PM
http://gas2.org/2012/09/12/former-prius-owners-turning-to-chevy-volt/

http://ask.cars.com/2011/07/will-the-volts-gasoline-stay-fresh-if-the - engine-isnt-used.html

/pwned
//double-pwned
 
2013-01-05 12:24:11 PM
I forgot to mention that my Volt is averaging 325 MPG. Lets see a Prius do that. That's why so many Prius owners are trading in for a Volt. Not to mention a Prius is hideous looking and slow as shiat whereas my Volt turns heads and can beat most cars off the line when in sport mode.

Bottom line- each car has its own market. I love mine.
 
2013-01-05 07:35:37 PM
so your saying 1 car actually sold. as opposed to the 3 thirds of parts, that eventually became the car they sold??
 
2013-01-05 08:54:45 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: You are full of shiat. It knows how old the gas is... lmfao.


It knows when you last put gas in, how much you put in and how much was already in the tank at the time. Calculating the average age of the fuel in the tank is not difficult.


Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: And why would a Prius owner trade DOWN from a 5 passenger vehicle to a 4 passenger vehicle for more money?


For some people, fuel economy and reducing emissions is more important that lots of cargo or lots of passengers. Most people don't find this hard to understand...
=Smidge=
 
2013-01-07 08:51:41 AM

Ed_Severson: Loaf's Tray: And to think, if only GM had had the foresight to think of the needs of people safer than I am at twice my speed, this whole little tantrum could have been avoided...

Alternate course of avoidance: don't lecture people about topics you don't understand, and especially don't treat people you don't know like you have authority over them and they need to explain themselves to you.


Never did any of that, chief, though you sure are doing a thorough job making assumptions about everyone else's driving abilities...I guess that's the kind of keen intuition that only comes from "working with" race car drivers. I dunno if someone who thinks "track performance" has the slightest bit of relevence to this vehicle should be so quick to call people out for not understanding the topic...might as well start biatchin' about how it doesn't have the balls to tow your fifth-wheel through the Adirondacks, too.
 
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