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2013-01-04 03:06:44 PM  

jethro1138: I'd like to see some stats on how that thing handles the Minnesota winter. I'm due for a new car this year and am considering a Volt (which are actually available here now), but I get the feeling that a dealer will tell me that it works "just fine".

I have a Civic hybrid right now. Thing gets 45-50mpg in the summer and 25 in the winter if I'm lucky.


I saw a Volt flying down 100 South after that sticky snow fell last week. He seemed to be doing just fine.

/SKOL VIKINGS!
 
2013-01-04 03:07:48 PM  

BadReligion: Gas only stays good for about 6 months, so she should use up her tank soon or it will be filled with bad gas.


Except they engineered for that. Non-argument. citation

duffblue:

Yeah, really though.


Dumbass.

Careful with that axe, Eugene.
 
2013-01-04 03:07:57 PM  

Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.


I think you are confusing them with Fisker.
 
2013-01-04 03:09:02 PM  
I have driven both the Volt and the Prius a lot the past year (my company has both in the fleet). In my opinion the Volt is clearly the better car in every way, but you do pay for it. The prius feels like an economy car, the Volt doesn't (and isn't).

If I was in the market for another car it would be a no-brainer. I drive less than 30 miles to an from work and there is a plug-in station at work. I would be paying zero for gas or electricity using a Volt for five days a week.
 
2013-01-04 03:09:31 PM  

please: BadReligion:

Gas only stays good for about 6 months, so she should use up her tank soon or it will be filled with bad gas.

Yeah, not really though.


So we both know you're completely and fundamentally wrong. It is impossible to have learned gas stays good in your car tank for longer than 6 months because it's just not true. So it's possible you knew gas goes bad and are just being a jackass. But I don't think so. I think it's more likely you honestly had no idea either way, which is perfectly fine. You could have learned something from his post, you could have googled it, you could have ignored it, or you could have thought he was wrong and walked away. These all would have been fine. But you didn't. Instead you decided to spend 2 seconds of brain power to wildly guess and post contradicting him. I'm just curious why you chose that route.
 
2013-01-04 03:09:35 PM  
ha-ha-guy:It's basically a 3,700 pound front wheel drive car. So it has the same benefits and fall backs as any other heavy FWD car.

Oh I'm really only wondering about the MPG. I'm a fairly safe driver and tend not to drive a whole lot in crazy snow (telecommuting rocks). If the snow's too crazy for my daily commute to the dog park, we just go to the park down the street (:

That hold mode thing is a good note though, thanks.
 
2013-01-04 03:10:10 PM  

ha-ha-guy: JohnAnnArbor: OK, so riddle me this: why doesn't anyone market an electric-only car to the little old lady crowd?

Because the sales figures of the Nissan Leaf would not justify the cost of making an electric only EV for the little old lady crowd. It would take significantly more than minimal redesign due to the fact we can't use the gas motor to assist, it would be a whole new electric engine and then trying to sell it to a crowd who was planning on hanging onto that old Buick until they died. Cutting out just the gas engine would not significant drop sticker price either (gas engines are easy, we know how to make those cheap). It would leave us with an expensive car that we could promise no more than 100 miles out of to try to sell to a very niche market.

Better to make the Volt, sell it to everyone, and maybe in a few generations we can make an all battery car with a 250 mile range and sell it to the light use crowd.

/Chrysler had an all electric idea that they scrapped since they figured the sales wouldn't justify the cost
//technology improves incrementally


Good to know. Thanks.
 
2013-01-04 03:10:37 PM  
Each Chevy Volt comes with a $7500 tax rebate. Average income of Volt owners is $175,000. Talk about the middle class subsidizing the rich so they can feel better about themselves
 
2013-01-04 03:10:54 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I would consider one since I commute about 6 miles a day round trip, but then I prefer my self respect.... and a $400/month car payment is a little more than I want.


Please get a bicycle
 
2013-01-04 03:14:54 PM  

Lexx: Tell me again how you have any business, whatsoever, doing 100MPH?


I don't live in Ontario.

Tell me again why you think it's your job to lecture me about something you don't know anything about.
 
2013-01-04 03:16:02 PM  

texanjeff: Why all the volt hate?


I don't hate the Volt, or the Prius.

However, I do hate their drivers, who insist on being in the left lane. You've got a slow car, dude - keep the *#&$ out of the fast lane.

And - if you DO drive a Volt/Prius at 85+ MPH - I think you're missing the point of a gas-efficient vehicle. I also seriously doubt the ability of either car to do emergency maneuvers at that speed.
 
2013-01-04 03:16:36 PM  

Ed_Severson: Lexx: Tell me again how you have any business, whatsoever, doing 100MPH?

I don't live in Ontario.

Tell me again why you think it's your job to lecture me about something you don't know anything about.


101 is a fine top speed for a car such as this. It is when manufacturers put speed limiters on performance cars that annoys me. My A6 has a 130MPH limiter for some reason, and even though I have never gotten it over 110, it bugs me that it is there.
 
2013-01-04 03:16:53 PM  
The single biggest factor driving the sales increase, according to both GM and industry analysts, was the Volt's increased popularity in car-clogged California.

So basically they have stopped marketing them to Americans
 
2013-01-04 03:17:07 PM  
JohnAnnArbor: "why doesn't anyone market an electric-only car to the little old lady crowd"

1. The older generation grew up on large cars and still generally associates size with safety and old brands that are intentionally slow to change, with quality.
2. Little old ladies tend to already own a car that's been paid off for 20 years, with all of 10,000 miles on it, and don't have a lot of spare scratch for a new car for no good reason.
3. When you drive 100 miles a month, cutting cost per mile isn't as big a deal.
4. They're not uniformly frightened of technology, but they're nearly-uniformly suspicious of it's utility/necessity.
5. They do. They're called "Neighborhood Electric Vehicles" and retirement communities are lousy with them.
 
2013-01-04 03:18:09 PM  
So when I'm driving to work on an interstate highway of gravel, I'll thank you guys for not paying your share of the highway road use tax.

Actually, after I hit the lottery, the armored car or the All American Lawsuit payday, I plan on electificating the Miata. It's been done. Just need to get the range up.
 
2013-01-04 03:18:41 PM  

Ed_Severson: Lexx: Tell me again how you have any business, whatsoever, doing 100MPH?

I don't live in Ontario.

Tell me again why you think it's your job to lecture me about something you don't know anything about.


Come on, tell me - what jurisdiction do you live in? Unless it's the AUTOBAHN I have a $2 coin in my pocket that says the cops would LOVE to know you like to drive north of 100MPH.
 
2013-01-04 03:18:42 PM  

fireclown: Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.

I think you are confusing them with Fisker.


The US Gov't still owns a majority of shares in General Motors. The "bailout" is paid back but the government still has $30-40 billion invested in the company. They can't sell these shares because since the last stock offering the stock price has dropped and they would have to admit to taking a rather significant loss for "rescuing" a bad business.
 
2013-01-04 03:22:25 PM  

Elroydb: fireclown: Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.

I think you are confusing them with Fisker.

The US Gov't still owns a majority of shares in General Motors. The "bailout" is paid back but the government still has $30-40 billion invested in the company. They can't sell these shares because since the last stock offering the stock price has dropped and they would have to admit to taking a rather significant loss for "rescuing" a bad business.


Hey the Chinese government was offering us above market price for our stock back in 2008, as long as we assured them they got all the IP and the tech centers in the deal. Would you have preferred that?

/General Dynamics didn't escape out clutches that long ago
//I was part of GM Defense prior to the 2003 purchase of it by GD, I taught have taught the Chinese some fun things
/or taken early retirement, probably the early retirement
 
2013-01-04 03:22:38 PM  
I would love a volt or similar car if I had a garage. as is, I park on the street (a 200 year old street) and there isn't away to charge when I get home. I need around 45 Miles on a charge to do all my daily driving. if it were the cost of a similarly featured 4dr sedan, and I had the charging ability, I'd be all over it.
 
2013-01-04 03:23:30 PM  

Fo Shiz: I've got a 2012 Volt. .  If you use electricity, you pay about $1.50-2.50 a gallon equivalent gas, and if your commute is right, you really never use gas unless taking a long trip.

/But teh Obama!


Do you have the citation of these figures? And where are you. Thinkin' 'bout it, but truth is hard to root out. You a Chevy dealer?

YodaBlues: BadReligion: ecmoRandomNumbers:
Gas only stays good for about 6 months, so she should use up her tank soon or it will be filled with bad gas.

Was going to mention that. At the very least, she should add some Sta-bil or other fuel stabilizer to prevent gas varnishing.


So... stabilized pump gas is on the horizon? A boon for lawn mowers and go karts
 
2013-01-04 03:25:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The Prius is a hipster piece of shiat.


Mine is just shy of ten years old, has 130K still gets 50 mpg regularly.

It's never needed a single repair.

Been through three sets of tires, replaced a few burnt-out bulbs, that's it. Drives like the day we bought it.

Pretty damn good for a "piece of shiat".

Or, maybe, just maybe, you're just an asswhole who hasn't the first clue what he's yammering about?

Like this guy:

JohnAnnArbor: That's intentional, so that it sticks out in a crowd, and everyone can see how "pure" you are; brilliant plan, actually.


Yep, it's got nothing to do with being the second-most aerodynamic car ever built.

I took a trip with three people from DC to Wilmington, NC in mine. We had so much luggage that we put a roof rack on it. Mileage dropped from the usual 50 to 32 mpg. Went right back to 50 after we got home and removed the rack.

But you betcha, it's all about how it *looks* and what it *says* about me.

Christ, ten years, a proven technology, and we still have to hear this crap?

I blame you, South Park. Thanks a lot.
 
2013-01-04 03:29:13 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Elroydb: fireclown: Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.

I think you are confusing them with Fisker.

The US Gov't still owns a majority of shares in General Motors. The "bailout" is paid back but the government still has $30-40 billion invested in the company. They can't sell these shares because since the last stock offering the stock price has dropped and they would have to admit to taking a rather significant loss for "rescuing" a bad business.

Hey the Chinese government was offering us above market price for our stock back in 2008, as long as we assured them they got all the IP and the tech centers in the deal. Would you have preferred that?

/General Dynamics didn't escape out clutches that long ago
//I was part of GM Defense prior to the 2003 purchase of it by GD, I taught have taught the Chinese some fun things
/or taken early retirement, probably the early retirement

I would have PREFERRED that GM go to bankruptcy court just like almost every other business in the history of this country instead of having intervention because of their cozy relationship with the government

Or better yet do what Ford did so they wouldn't have to go into bankruptcy
 
2013-01-04 03:29:31 PM  

Elroydb: fireclown: Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.

I think you are confusing them with Fisker.

The US Gov't still owns a majority of shares in General Motors. The "bailout" is paid back but the government still has $30-40 billion invested in the company. They can't sell these shares because since the last stock offering the stock price has dropped and they would have to admit to taking a rather significant loss for "rescuing" a bad business.


FYI, the Treasury announced last month that they are divesting from GM,and there will almost certainly be a loss at the end of several billion dollars, which is a small price to pay for saving the US auto industry.
 
2013-01-04 03:30:52 PM  

Elroydb: fireclown: Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.

I think you are confusing them with Fisker.

The US Gov't still owns a majority of shares in General Motors. The "bailout" is paid back but the government still has $30-40 billion invested in the company. They can't sell these shares because since the last stock offering the stock price has dropped and they would have to admit to taking a rather significant loss for "rescuing" a bad business.


They're projected to take a ~$20B loss in the bailout of GM. Bailouts don't always work out for the best. But then again, they made ~22B from the AIG bailout. A ~2B net profit from bailouts (there are others of course, just counting these two) isn't exactly a bad record. Not to mention it prevented a very unstable mass layoff.
 
2013-01-04 03:30:58 PM  

lennavan: So we both know you're completely and fundamentally wrong.


Boy, should you have refreshed before you posted or what?

It's not like the solution to that problem hasn't posted at least three times above you, already....

But you got to lecture somebody (again) so you got that going for ya....
 
2013-01-04 03:33:41 PM  
I'm going to be in the market for a car this summer. I'm mainly going to be driving to and from the train station so I can get to work. That's about 4 miles each way. I'm almost certainly going to get a Volt, or maybe a Ford Focus electric, provided that there are still the good lease deals for them.

I'd prefer a Tesla Model S, but that's still too rich for me.

/The Leaf is just too ugly.
 
2013-01-04 03:34:19 PM  

ringersol: 5. They do. They're called "Neighborhood Electric Vehicles" and retirement communities are lousy with them.


If you're talking about glorified golf carts, the big problem is that you can't take them out on the main roads.
 
2013-01-04 03:36:14 PM  

Elroydb: ha-ha-guy: Elroydb: fireclown: Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.

I think you are confusing them with Fisker.

The US Gov't still owns a majority of shares in General Motors. The "bailout" is paid back but the government still has $30-40 billion invested in the company. They can't sell these shares because since the last stock offering the stock price has dropped and they would have to admit to taking a rather significant loss for "rescuing" a bad business.

Hey the Chinese government was offering us above market price for our stock back in 2008, as long as we assured them they got all the IP and the tech centers in the deal. Would you have preferred that?

/General Dynamics didn't escape out clutches that long ago
//I was part of GM Defense prior to the 2003 purchase of it by GD, I taught have taught the Chinese some fun things
/or taken early retirement, probably the early retirement
I would have PREFERRED that GM go to bankruptcy court just like almost every other business in the history of this country instead of having intervention because of their cozy relationship with the government

Or better yet do what Ford did so they wouldn't have to go into bankruptcy


We would not have gone bankrupt and gutted our company. We would have accepted suitcases full of cash from the Chicoms and given them IP and kept chugging along.

As for Ford, that is just plain stupid. Ford pulled billions in private loans right before the banking crisis and barely survived. They had no capital on hand to absorb our liabilities. Plus that just creatures a monopoly of American manufacturers since Chrysler was sold off to Fiat.

Finally, we had access to 50 billion from various lines of credit prior to the 2008 banking collapse. The plan by Lutz, Wagoneer, and Henderson was that we would not becoming profitable until 2013 at the earliest, realistically 2014. So the money was to keep us going. That was because previous CEOs had not invested enough in car development and we were behind the curve. As it stood they felt we needed to be running more design teams than our sales could support if we had any hope of catching up in some markets. Ford was doing the same thing. The thing was Ford was a lot smarter and got to the bank before the housing bubble farked up the credit market. We showed up afterwards and found out our lines of credit had been trashed due to the everyone suddenly becoming a fiscal turtle.

The government opted to step in be the source of the money for a variety of reasons. Had they not, I'd be typing this from my new office in the Wuhan Joint Auto Manufacturing Technical Center, all hail Chairman Mao and such.
 
2013-01-04 03:36:14 PM  

Ed_Severson: The team I worked for last year used Chevrolet engines so we got a few Volts to drive around for the year. They were pretty boring. About 33 miles on a full charge, top speed limited o 101 mph, no soul at all.

At $4k? Maybe. At $40k? fark off.


If you're a race car guy, I could see how it would be a little under-powered. 120mph is the start of interesting. But, for the average commuter, high torque with high mileage in the holy grail. How does it do in the corners? I hate FWD, though it because I never figured out how to turn the things...they just plow, no matter how you set it up. Do they have a FWD school? 4k is only "maybe", even for your grocery-getter? Would it be a good average car for $30k? 25K?
 
2013-01-04 03:37:00 PM  

ringersol: JohnAnnArbor: "why doesn't anyone market an electric-only car to the little old lady crowd"

1. The older generation grew up on large cars and still generally associates size with safety and old brands that are intentionally slow to change, with quality.
2. Little old ladies tend to already own a car that's been paid off for 20 years, with all of 10,000 miles on it, and don't have a lot of spare scratch for a new car for no good reason.
3. When you drive 100 miles a month, cutting cost per mile isn't as big a deal.
4. They're not uniformly frightened of technology, but they're nearly-uniformly suspicious of it's utility/necessity.
5. They do. They're called "Neighborhood Electric Vehicles" and retirement communities are lousy with them.


Wow, another well-thought-out answer. Am I on Fark?!?
 
2013-01-04 03:38:50 PM  
Yeah, you're looking at Fark's 2013 Headline of the Year already! LOL!
 
2013-01-04 03:40:17 PM  
Actually was thinking to get a Volt as wife's commuter car. Her daily commute is 20 miles round-trip and they have a charging station at her office. The lease price of $289/month seems like a pretty good deal, and the car is pretty well equipped in terms of options (though not surprising given its price). We'd use our "regular" car for road trips and family outings.

Going to test drive one tomorrow.
 
2013-01-04 03:41:15 PM  

Mikeyworld: Fo Shiz: I've got a 2012 Volt. .  If you use electricity, you pay about $1.50-2.50 a gallon equivalent gas, and if your commute is right, you really never use gas unless taking a long trip.

/But teh Obama!

Do you have the citation of these figures? And where are you. Thinkin' 'bout it, but truth is hard to root out. You a Chevy dealer?


San Diego.  Depends on how much you pay per KWh, and whether you switch to a time of day plan if you are in a high cost area like CA.  In the middle of the country it's cheap per KWh (~$.12) but in CA at top rates it's closer to $.35.  At that cost it's just about the same to buy gas, so oyu have to switch to a time of day plan and set the car to charge on off-peak.  Figure about a 90% efficiency rate for electricity from the grid to the car battery pack.  Vehicle holds about 10.6 KWh of charge depending on year (2013 is a little more).

I'm a software developer and have worked for a battery technology company developing vehicle battery packs (nothing on the market, the battery chemistry wasn't there yet).  The only negs I have are that the rear of the car gets hot because of so much glass (alleviated by a fan or tinting) and only four seats.

Also, the vehicle has a vacuum sealed tank.  It keeps track of how old the gas is and forces you to burn it every month or so.
 
2013-01-04 03:42:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: When you have billions of government money, you can produce whatever the hell you want.


Innovation (including the auto industry as one shining example) built this country, and there is no way to look back on the auto bailout and honestly come to the conclusion that it was anything other than money well spent.

You should try adjusting your views to fit the facts instead of the other way around.
 
2013-01-04 03:45:11 PM  

Fo Shiz: Mikeyworld: Fo Shiz: I've got a 2012 Volt. .  If you use electricity, you pay about $1.50-2.50 a gallon equivalent gas, and if your commute is right, you really never use gas unless taking a long trip.

/But teh Obama!

Do you have the citation of these figures? And where are you. Thinkin' 'bout it, but truth is hard to root out. You a Chevy dealer?

San Diego.  Depends on how much you pay per KWh, and whether you switch to a time of day plan if you are in a high cost area like CA.  In the middle of the country it's cheap per KWh (~$.12) but in CA at top rates it's closer to $.35.  At that cost it's just about the same to buy gas, so oyu have to switch to a time of day plan and set the car to charge on off-peak.  Figure about a 90% efficiency rate for electricity from the grid to the car battery pack.  Vehicle holds about 10.6 KWh of charge depending on year (2013 is a little more).

I'm a software developer and have worked for a battery technology company developing vehicle battery packs (nothing on the market, the battery chemistry wasn't there yet).  The only negs I have are that the rear of the car gets hot because of so much glass (alleviated by a fan or tinting) and only four seats.

Also, the vehicle has a vacuum sealed tank.  It keeps track of how old the gas is and forces you to burn it every month or so.


$0.35/KWh?! Ouch! I am at $0.10/KWh where I am at!
 
2013-01-04 03:46:05 PM  

ringersol: YodaBlues: "That's pretty neat. Shame it's so expensive though."

Also a shame?
The visual design has no personality and the ICE can still directly drive the wheels at highway speeds. Meaning it still has a drive train and all the associated costs, complexity and bullshiat.

Kinda pisses all over the original vision.


ICE only connects to the universal gearset when running off of ICE.  ICE runs a gen which power car electrically and can in some cases link into universal gear to provide higher efficiency.  But when the pack still has charge it's 100% electric drive.
 
2013-01-04 03:46:09 PM  
Those farking fools. Ford hundreds of thousands of mustangs when it was first released in 1964.5 and the trend continued through the sixties when there were about half as many people in the country. Chevy sells 7,000 volts in 2012? Looks like they are using their inferior marketing strategy taken from the Camaro campaign and are applying it here. Just some styling and cool action commercials with an electrical theme in them would fix it all. Christ...
 
2013-01-04 03:50:22 PM  
Drove another in a long series of gas-guzzlers nearly into the ground a few years ago, then went "all-in" on a Ford Escape hybrid, with electical engineering by their Volvo division. They don't make them now, but I still get 32 mpg city with plenty of power for Interstate and mountain driving, and no service issues, at all.

/I still be rollin'

//Don't y'all be hatin'
 
2013-01-04 03:51:15 PM  
fireclown: "If you're talking about glorified golf carts, the big problem is that you can't take them out on the main roads."

No, but for the slice of the little-old-lady market that has the money/inclination to cut commute costs, a large number of them do enough of their commuting in places those golf carts *can* go, that they can produce a significant fraction of the potential cost savings of an electric car. All that with a much lower TCO and they still have their old-ass Lincoln for those trips out to see the grandkids or whatever. That doesn't cover all of them, all the time. But that and the other factors in my post combine to make the potential market for a little-old-lady-Leaf vanishingly small.

/ NEV owners also tend to *relish* the fact that they're getting around without the stress of main road traffic
// and golf carts are pretty universally hailed as 'way more fun'
 
2013-01-04 03:51:31 PM  
Volt is a very intriguing car to me. I like it on its technical merits. My current car was rated 26/32 (and usually exceeds that), but I'm still paying a bunch more on it than the Volt lease would be. It's entirely possible that I might check one out this weekend. :)
 
2013-01-04 03:53:14 PM  

BadReligion: 101 is a fine top speed for a car such as this. It is when manufacturers put speed limiters on performance cars that annoys me. My A6 has a 130MPH limiter for some reason, and even though I have never gotten it over 110, it bugs me that it is there.


It is annoying, on all vehicles in my opinion. If you feel compelled to cut the car's nuts off, just design less car.
 
2013-01-04 03:54:38 PM  
I have to commute through hellish traffic - I have to go past apple, google and facebook (TRIPLE NAMEDROP FATALITY).

But - there's carpool lane all the way! So, 3 year lease on a Leaf - $130/mo, $3K down. Return it in 3 years when the technology has improved.

No engine noise - it's *really* easy to do 85 without realizing it.
 
2013-01-04 03:54:51 PM  
I would worry about the battery life of one in a Canadian winter...
 
2013-01-04 03:56:58 PM  
Know what happens when the battery goes dead in a Volt?

/you can't unlock the doors
//how annoying
///especially if your phone is locked inside
 
2013-01-04 03:59:04 PM  

Mikeyworld: If you're a race car guy, I could see how it would be a little under-powered. 120mph is the start of interesting. But, for the average commuter, high torque with high mileage in the holy grail. How does it do in the corners? I hate FWD, though it because I never figured out how to turn the things...they just plow, no matter how you set it up. Do they have a FWD school? 4k is only "maybe", even for your grocery-getter? Would it be a good average car for $30k? 25K?


To be fair, the thing has a reasonable amount of torque. The most off-putting thing about it is the sound.

As far as handling is concerned ... Boring. Not the worst car I've ever driven, but there was nothing about it that was exciting.

For someone who doesn't care much about vehicle performance and just wants an A-to-B car, I think at $20-22k it would be reasonable. At $40k, it's insane for almost anybody. And for me, at $4k I might be persuaded to buy one for novelty's sake, but I sure as hell wouldn't drive it regularly.
 
2013-01-04 04:01:46 PM  

Ed_Severson: If you feel compelled to cut the car's nuts off, just design less car.


Those so concerned can purchase replacement nuts for their vehicle for a small charge.
 
2013-01-04 04:03:37 PM  
One of these is one of the best selling cars in America.

proving once again that American's have shiat taste in cars
 
2013-01-04 04:03:39 PM  
I'd buy one, but they cost three trillion dollars. And the battery only lasts a week so you have to spend at least a billion to replace it. Not to mention all that gas you save is just replaced by the electricity garnered from a fetus incinerator which we all know is a big polluter.

The car is kinda meh. Why do people need to tell the same lies about it over and over again? What part of your worldview does it challenge so severely that you need to attack it at every opportunity?
 
2013-01-04 04:04:41 PM  

Ed_Severson: Lexx: Tell me again how you have any business, whatsoever, doing 100MPH?

I don't live in Ontario.

Tell me again why you think it's your job to lecture me about something you don't know anything about.


Hi, Ed.

Your profile says you're from Indiana.

I'm all for staying out of the left lane for you (drive however you want and above all let faster traffic through), but 100 mph is more than 40 percent over the interstate speed limit in Indiana. I'm sure you have some kind of justification for needing to drive that fast, but try to bear in mind that most people don't share your enthusiasm for high-speed hijinks.

If you really think you need to drive over 100 mph everywhere you go, good luck with your future endeavors and/or awesome insurance premiums. I, for one, think a top speed of 101 is great for a car that doesn't need gasoline for the most common commuting usage cases.
 
2013-01-04 04:04:56 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Popcorn Johnny: The Prius is a hipster piece of shiat.

There you have it folks. A brilliant, very well articulated argument against electric vehicles. It's truly amazing that anyone would even try to debate an argument as finely crafted as this.


I love my Prius. It stands out at the range, where all the good-buddies are driving F-150s, Hummers and Jeeps. They laugh until I tell them a) I get 50 MPG, and b)they see the Prius completely leave their Tonka trucks in the rearview mirror off the starting line (thanks Power Mode!). Yes, I've drag raced a Prius. Nothing beats electric drive for 'all torque all the time'. Do I have complaints? eh, I wish the ass was bigger so I could haul more stuff. When I pull out the arsenal to go to the range, it gets a little crowded, but overall I'm quite satisfied with it.
 
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