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2013-01-04 02:58:02 PM  
I say go for it. If they f*ck it up, hey, less to worry about.
 
2013-01-04 03:09:56 PM  
Then we can offer it as a solution to our debt.  Or hold the world hostage for ransom money.
 
2013-01-04 03:58:33 PM  
Hey, NASA, send some spacemen to a faraway place. Otherwise, nobody gives a shiat what you do.
 
2013-01-04 03:59:44 PM  
This ... actually makes sense. No people required. Too bad for all the Belter sci-fi...
 
2013-01-04 04:01:34 PM  
"We don't need nuclear weapons. We have rocks. In space. We can drop them on your heads."
 
2013-01-04 04:01:36 PM  
I'd rather mine an asteroid near the Earth's magnetic field than far far away from it. From L2 you can get back inside the Earths protective field in a matter of days.
 
2013-01-04 04:01:55 PM  

Makh: Then we can offer it as a solution to our debt.  Or hold the world hostage for ransom money.


Now that's a speech I'd love to give.
"We will crash this asteroid into France if you don't pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"
 
2013-01-04 04:03:28 PM  

way south: Makh: Then we can offer it as a solution to our debt.  Or hold the world hostage for ransom money.

Now that's a speech I'd love to give.
"We will crash this asteroid into France if you don't pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"


I'd rather just slam it into Mars and get that inevitable interplanetary war off to a good start.
 
2013-01-04 04:03:33 PM  
Because with rising ocean levels, what we really need is something to make the tides higher.
 
2013-01-04 04:09:19 PM  

lilbjorn: Because with rising ocean levels, what we really need is something to make the tides higher.


Not sure if trolling, or just an idiot.
 
2013-01-04 04:11:23 PM  
If this is any indiciation, actually getting it to orbit the moon instead of slamming into it or the earth should be a tall order.
 
2013-01-04 04:14:16 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: "We don't need nuclear weapons. We have rocks. In space. We can drop them on your heads."


The Russians dropped concrete barrels on the Nazis to great effect. I see no reason why we shouldn't stone the middle east. Or Florida. Let's not pick, stone them both.
 
2013-01-04 04:15:28 PM  
If you like it so much, why don't you marry safe science?
 
2013-01-04 04:16:42 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-04 04:22:32 PM  
If asteroids are bothering your moon, they have a cream for that.
 
2013-01-04 04:24:13 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-04 04:26:30 PM  

maniacbastard: I'd rather mine an asteroid near the Earth's magnetic field than far far away from it. From L2 you can get back inside the Earths protective field in a matter of days.


Not only that, but building ships for deeper forays into space in space means that there is a whole bunch of structural stuff that can be left out. We can do a lot more space exploration by setting up a space station or a moon base. We can also deal with the resulting waste products far, FAR easier.This could be the first step in the right direction.
 
2013-01-04 04:26:31 PM  
Spot prices indicate that would be $25,000 worth of cobalt, $20,000 worth of iron and $100,000 worth of nickel.
 
2013-01-04 04:29:55 PM  
New idea for mission to Mars: one of the biggest problems is radiation from the length of time it takes to get there, right? Solution: we go get a medium-sized asteroid, send up some robots to hollow it out, bam! Space shield!

/yes, this is probably stupid
 
2013-01-04 04:31:21 PM  
maniacbastard : What do you expect to find in there to make it worthwile to "mine" an asteroid? With what equipment? How?
 
2013-01-04 04:34:05 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: "We don't need nuclear weapons. We have rocks. In space. We can drop them on your heads."

The Russians dropped concrete barrels on the Nazis to great effect. I see no reason why we shouldn't stone the middle east. Or Florida. Let's not pick, stone them both.


I can't find anything about this...gotta linky? TIA...
 
2013-01-04 04:36:40 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: maniacbastard : What do you expect to find in there to make it worthwile to "mine" an asteroid? With what equipment? How?


"what is there?" is sort of the point. just because you have no drive to do awesome things doesn't mean the rest of humanity has to follow.
 
2013-01-04 04:38:55 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: maniacbastard : What do you expect to find in there to make it worthwile to "mine" an asteroid? With what equipment? How?


3D printers, silly.
 
2013-01-04 04:39:30 PM  
Link

Cloud seeding gone wrong
 
2013-01-04 04:55:12 PM  
way south: Makh: Then we can offer it as a solution to our debt. Or hold the world hostage for ransom money.

Now that's a speech I'd love to give.
"We will crash this asteroid into France if you don't pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-04 05:02:06 PM  

Stone Meadow: Smeggy Smurf: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: "We don't need nuclear weapons. We have rocks. In space. We can drop them on your heads."

The Russians dropped concrete barrels on the Nazis to great effect. I see no reason why we shouldn't stone the middle east. Or Florida. Let's not pick, stone them both.

I can't find anything about this...gotta linky? TIA...


No links from me, but I do recall some anecdotes about laser guided concrete bombs being used during the gulf wars. Though of as an expensive, but stupidly powerful, battering ram.
 
2013-01-04 05:10:25 PM  
img22.imageshack.us
Powerful as a nuke, minus the radiation.
 
2013-01-04 05:11:51 PM  

hp6sa: New idea for mission to Mars: one of the biggest problems is radiation from the length of time it takes to get there, right? Solution: we go get a medium-sized asteroid, send up some robots to hollow it out, bam! Space shield!

/yes, this is probably stupid


Actually, it's not. At least not so stupid that actual scientists haven't mentioned it as a possibility. [Link].
 
2013-01-04 05:12:27 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: maniacbastard : What do you expect to find in there to make it worthwile to "mine" an asteroid? With what equipment? How?


What I would find, materials and minerals that formed in low gravity, in conditions that cannot be achieved on a planetary surface that may be novel. Platinum group metals as well. I would expect to find illimite and hydrates that I can use to extract liquid oxygen raw titanium and iron. Since the asteroid in question is carbonaceous, I would be able to extract carbon that with the iron that I already have, I have the ability to make stainless steel. Since I have titanium, if I bring along some vandium and other alloying ingredients, I can make Titanium. Also since I am in zero g I'd bet I I can use a single nucleation site and grow monster single crystal versions of every metal I mentioned.

How would I do it? It is called ISRU equipment and you pay me money and I magically use formulas and magic boxes called 'computers' to 'design engineer' things that do whatever process you want. I've worked on planetary drilling systems and ISRU before. it would be a technology development effort, but it requires no breakthroughs in materials or power or anything else. And the low gravity would be a nice bonus.
Given the fact that the 7 meter asteroid in question weighs 500 tons roughly, that is a lot of material to turn into something. And a great testbed for a wide variety of ISRU methods.
 
2013-01-04 05:14:07 PM  

maniacbastard: Quantum Apostrophe: maniacbastard : What do you expect to find in there to make it worthwile to "mine" an asteroid? With what equipment? How?

What I would find, materials and minerals that formed in low gravity, in conditions that cannot be achieved on a planetary surface that may be novel. Platinum group metals as well. I would expect to find illimite and hydrates that I can use to extract liquid oxygen raw titanium and iron. Since the asteroid in question is carbonaceous, I would be able to extract carbon that with the iron that I already have, I have the ability to make stainless steel. Since I have titanium, if I bring along some vandium and other alloying ingredients, I can make Titanium. Also since I am in zero g I'd bet I I can use a single nucleation site and grow monster single crystal versions of every metal I mentioned.

How would I do it? It is called ISRU equipment and you pay me money and I magically use formulas and magic boxes called 'computers' to 'design engineer' things that do whatever process you want. I've worked on planetary drilling systems and ISRU before. it would be a technology development effort, but it requires no breakthroughs in materials or power or anything else. And the low gravity would be a nice bonus.
Given the fact that the 7 meter asteroid in question weighs 500 tons roughly, that is a lot of material to turn into something. And a great testbed for a wide variety of ISRU methods.


I think someone was just pwned.
 
2013-01-04 05:14:30 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: "We don't need nuclear weapons. We have rocks. In space. We can drop them on your heads."


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
What a magnificent idea!
 
2013-01-04 05:14:39 PM  

way south: No links from me, but I do recall some anecdotes about laser guided concrete bombs being used during the gulf wars. Though of as an expensive, but stupidly powerful, battering ram.


I thought...no way...but there it is: Concrete Bombs.
 
2013-01-04 05:14:44 PM  
Careful, it might fall on someone's foot....
 
2013-01-04 05:14:47 PM  

way south: No links from me, but I do recall some anecdotes about laser guided concrete bombs being used during the gulf wars. Though of as an expensive, but stupidly powerful, battering ram.


Link
 
2013-01-04 05:17:30 PM  

lilbjorn: Because with rising ocean levels, what we really need is something to make the tides higher.


Wanna give us some math to go with that assertion?
 
2013-01-04 05:17:57 PM  

dukeblue219: way south: No links from me, but I do recall some anecdotes about laser guided concrete bombs being used during the gulf wars. Though of as an expensive, but stupidly powerful, battering ram.

Link


Great. Next thing you know, the Centauri will be using mass drivers against us.
 
2013-01-04 05:20:33 PM  

WillyChase: lilbjorn: Because with rising ocean levels, what we really need is something to make the tides higher.

Wanna give us some math to go with that assertion?


Actually, if you did tell us how much tidal force on the surface of the moon a 551 ton asteroid would pull that would be kind of interesting
 
2013-01-04 05:24:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: hp6sa: New idea for mission to Mars: one of the biggest problems is radiation from the length of time it takes to get there, right? Solution: we go get a medium-sized asteroid, send up some robots to hollow it out, bam! Space shield!

/yes, this is probably stupid

Actually, it's not. At least not so stupid that actual scientists haven't mentioned it as a possibility. [Link].


Huh, maybe I should work for NASA as an "ideas guy." Just keep me away from the actual science.
 
2013-01-04 05:27:39 PM  
You know... if we got a sizable asteroid in a nice quick orbit of the moon... We could fire it like the biggest F'ing gun ever. ID4 alien mothership? BAM! Armageddon meteor? POW! It's the ultimate planetary defense system!
 
2013-01-04 05:28:07 PM  

hp6sa: Huh, maybe I should work for NASA as an "ideas guy." Just keep me away from the actual science.


those are called science fiction authors, you may want to see baen or nightshade publishing about that
 
2013-01-04 05:38:44 PM  

ThreadSinger: way south: Makh: Then we can offer it as a solution to our debt.  Or hold the world hostage for ransom money.

Now that's a speech I'd love to give.
"We will crash this asteroid into France if you don't pay us ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"

I'd rather just slam it into Mars and get that inevitable interplanetary war off to a good start.


Smash it into a polar cap to try to kick up a little more atmosphere.
 
2013-01-04 05:57:01 PM  
Cromulent User Name

Cloud seeding gone wrong

Have the parties responsible for that sack been sacked?
 
2013-01-04 06:23:21 PM  

hp6sa: bam! Space shield!


i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-01-04 06:25:38 PM  
change the headline to "NASA does not put an asteroid in orbit around the moon, because budget" and you're probably getting closer
 
2013-01-04 06:31:41 PM  
Mine the hell out of it, then hollow it out and make a space station or Mars probe out of it. Eventually use it as the counterweight for a space elevator.... or one very powerful catapult tether.

I also suggest we maroon QA on it.
 
2013-01-04 06:37:41 PM  
She is waiting....
 
2013-01-04 06:38:20 PM  
i10.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-04 07:14:24 PM  

theorellior: Spot prices indicate that would be $25,000 worth of cobalt, $20,000 worth of iron and $100,000 worth of nickel.


The value isn't the price here on Earth; it's how much it would cost to lift the couple hundred tons of it out of Earth's gravity well. Plus the total lift capacity of every nation's space program might not be enough to lift that much material. The stuff is already out there -- just bring it to where we can use it!


Fubegra: If this is any indiciation, actually getting it to orbit the moon instead of slamming into it or the earth should be a tall order.


They wouldn't "put it into orbit" (Fark headline alert), they'd put it into a "Lagrange" point, which is equilibrium between the Earth and the Moon -- effectively just "hanging" there. But if they wanted to put it into an orbit, they could. These are frakkin' smart people. They fling probes across the solar system and hit every mark they aim for, with extremely close precision.

Makh: Then we can offer it as a solution to our debt.  Or hold the world hostage for ransom money.


LOL. They'd call our bluff! "Such [carbonaceous] asteroids rarely survive entry into the Earth's atmosphere"

(...The rest of you, stop feeding the resident anti-science Scroogetroll. Science! Bah humbug!)
 
2013-01-04 08:03:37 PM  

theorellior: maniacbastard: Quantum Apostrophe: <stupidity deleted>

What I would find, materials and minerals that formed in low gravity, in conditions that cannot be achieved on a planetary surface that may be novel. Platinum group metals as well. I would expect to find illimite and hydrates that I can use to extract liquid oxygen raw titanium and iron. Since the asteroid in question is carbonaceous, I would be able to extract carbon that with the iron that I already have, I have the ability to make stainless steel. Since I have titanium, if I bring along some vandium and other alloying ingredients, I can make Titanium. Also since I am in zero g I'd bet I I can use a single nucleation site and grow monster single crystal versions of every metal I mentioned.

How would I do it? It is called ISRU equipment and you pay me money and I magically use formulas and magic boxes called 'computers' to 'design engineer' things that do whatever process you want. I've worked on planetary drilling systems and ISRU before. it would be a technology development effort, but it requires no breakthroughs in materials or power or anything else. And the low gravity would be a nice bonus.
Given the fact that the 7 meter asteroid in question weighs 500 tons roughly, that is a lot of material to turn into something. And a great testbed for a wide variety of ISRU methods.

I think someone was just pwned.


He gets pwned in every space thread, and yet he never gives up. Kind of pathetic, really.
 
2013-01-04 08:22:38 PM  

anfrind: theorellior: maniacbastard: Quantum Apostrophe: <stupidity deleted>

What I would find, materials and minerals that formed in low gravity, in conditions that cannot be achieved on a planetary surface that may be novel. Platinum group metals as well. I would expect to find illimite and hydrates that I can use to extract liquid oxygen raw titanium and iron. Since the asteroid in question is carbonaceous, I would be able to extract carbon that with the iron that I already have, I have the ability to make stainless steel. Since I have titanium, if I bring along some vandium and other alloying ingredients, I can make Titanium. Also since I am in zero g I'd bet I I can use a single nucleation site and grow monster single crystal versions of every metal I mentioned.

How would I do it? It is called ISRU equipment and you pay me money and I magically use formulas and magic boxes called 'computers' to 'design engineer' things that do whatever process you want. I've worked on planetary drilling systems and ISRU before. it would be a technology development effort, but it requires no breakthroughs in materials or power or anything else. And the low gravity would be a nice bonus.
Given the fact that the 7 meter asteroid in question weighs 500 tons roughly, that is a lot of material to turn into something. And a great testbed for a wide variety of ISRU methods.

I think someone was just pwned.

He gets pwned in every space thread, and yet he never gives up. Kind of pathetic, really.


He won't until his atoms run out.
 
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