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2013-01-04 09:06:41 AM
Pretty much every story I read about a reward being posted for a lost valuable item ends up with the person attempting to claim the reward being arrested. I consider myself a pretty honest person. I'll return money to a cashier if they give me too much change. But it would give me pause if I found anything I knew there was reward out for.
 
2013-01-04 09:26:47 AM
Land said she forgot about the ring until a few weeks later, when she wore the same jacket on a trip to Minnesota and found it in her pocket.

"I felt so guilty about having it that I just rolled it up in some tissue and put it in a back pocket of my purse," she said. "I didn't know how to take it back."


That's just how I felt about all that bank money. I left the bags in the closet; and when I found them a week later, I figured it was best just to hold on to it.
 
2013-01-04 11:48:48 AM
+1
 
2013-01-04 12:15:53 PM
I thought this was going to be about Congress.
 
2013-01-04 12:18:43 PM
Land said she put [the $20,000 ring] in her jacket pocket intending to bring it to the front desk when she was finished, but she forgot.
 
2013-01-04 12:21:16 PM
Lots of fun tidbits in TFA, partially because I live in STL.

1. I've been tanning exactly once. It was before senior prom, and my date wanted me to look less pale for pictures. It was at this place. (Unless there's more than one TanCo is St. Chuck, entirely possible.)

2. Did anyone else read "Jack Banas" as "Jack Bananas"?

3. "Who follows those statutes if you find something on a sidewalk? Nobody," said Joseph J. Simeone, a professor emeritus at St. Louis University School of Law

Prof Simeone taught my brother at SLU law; I went there for undergrad but knew him as well.

4. St. Charles police Detective Mike Myers

This shiat is too easy; I'll let someone else run with it.

5. She had to hire Clayton attorney Matthew Chase

Works in the same building as my brother does now.

6. "Police have treated this like it's the robbery of Fort Knox with an army," he said.

i830.photobucket.com

Amateurs.
 
2013-01-04 12:22:25 PM

proteon: Land said she put [the $20,000 ring] in her jacket pocket intending to bring it to the front desk when she was finished, but she forgot.


What's its gots in its pockets, Precious?
 
2013-01-04 12:24:50 PM
it does appear to be pretty precious in the photo...

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com
 
2013-01-04 12:27:34 PM
"Missouri statutes require the finder of any money, good or personal property valued at more than $10 to report it to a judge within 10 days."

s.wsj.net
 
2013-01-04 12:30:47 PM

Sofa King Smart: it does appear to be pretty precious in the photo...

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 620x690]


www.martinocatalano.com
 
2013-01-04 12:38:02 PM
I feel like this story had everything.
 
2013-01-04 12:53:13 PM
I'm drinking tanning salon lotion right now and so this all makes so much sense.
 
2013-01-04 12:58:23 PM
What about the landmark case of Finders vs Keepers?
 
2013-01-04 01:02:41 PM
Hack Patooey

What about the landmark case of Finders vs Keepers?


Came for this. I'm pretty sure it's a real case law.
 
2013-01-04 01:06:38 PM

Sofa King Smart: it does appear to be pretty precious in the photo...

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 620x690]


That's not a photo. The woman just mimeographed her hand while wearing the ring...
 
2013-01-04 01:08:55 PM
I will say this... if I ever find a gun in a bathroom I'll probably keep it and add it to my own.

Because if you're that careless with a firearm then you have no right to own one.
 
2013-01-04 01:13:23 PM

Modguy: Sofa King Smart: it does appear to be pretty precious in the photo...

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 620x690]

[www.martinocatalano.com image 455x600]



I see what you did there
 
2013-01-04 01:13:59 PM
Because if you're that careless with a firearm then you have no right to own one.

Some statements are just to true to believe.

p.s. if you find a 2nd gun I'll take it for you.
 
2013-01-04 01:26:28 PM
She had to hire Clayton attorney Matthew Chase.

Or as they call him around the office 'ambalance'
 
2013-01-04 01:27:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding
 
2013-01-04 01:42:08 PM

grinding_journalist: Lots of fun tidbits in TFA, partially because I live in STL.

1. I've been tanning exactly once. It was before senior prom, and my date wanted me to look less pale for pictures. It was at this place. (Unless there's more than one TanCo is St. Chuck, entirely possible.)


Whoo, St. Charles FTW!!!

/lives not too far from the Tan Co off of Zumbehl Rd
//Actually I'm more towards the Dierbergs on Zumbehl Rd
 
2013-01-04 01:52:57 PM
Stupid biatch. If you find a $20K ring you don't turn it in for the reward. Cash For Gold is how real thieves deal with precious metals.
 
2013-01-04 02:05:46 PM
here is my interpretation:

- finder of the ring: I think she was going to keep the ring and then saw the reward and decided she needed the cash more. As to committing a crime (and assuming her facts), her intent to return the ring, but forgetting about it, is not a crime (she did not have a 'guilt mind'); that being said, she did potentially commit a crime when she found the ring in her jacket and did not immediately seek to return it to its rightful owner (intentionally depriving the owner of the ring the rights to enjoy her ring).

- loser of the ring: although I think you are a fairly terrible person, after all you offered a reward for your ring (a ring you LOST), and then attempted to get the person arrested. You likely will prevail on not paying the reward as your offer of the reward did not entice the person to locate your ring.

Actually, I would like to see the reward poster, it is said something along the lines of "reward of $3,000 for the return of my ring, no questions asked", then I think the loser of the ring may lose in court.
 
2013-01-04 02:08:39 PM
Can Fark help me with this yellow diamond thing, since I'm too lazy too Google it myself right now, when I'm thinking about it, plus that would interfere with Farking...

Anyway, all these years, we've been brainwashed led to believe that colorless is better, and that colors in a diamond are flaws... So what's with these great yellow monstrosities?

// I know, marketing
// Fark de Beers; fortunately, wife agrees with me, generally.
 
2013-01-04 02:15:53 PM
Good luck in proving that she had intent to deprive the owner of the property at the time that she found it as requird by the model.

Lady, just pay the reward. It will cost you at least $3000 to defend the lawsuit and, if the finder had been just someone off the street, you would have paid anyhow to get the $20000 ring back.  This just goes to show that rich people are the real thieves.
 
2013-01-04 02:17:58 PM

TheWhoppah: Good luck in proving that she had intent to deprive the owner of the property at the time that she found it as requird by the model.


Stuffing an expensive ring into your pocket, telling nobody about it and making no effort to return it would probably suggest intent to keep it.
 
2013-01-04 02:20:54 PM

Sgt.Zim: Can Fark help me with this yellow diamond thing, since I'm too lazy too Google it myself right now, when I'm thinking about it, plus that would interfere with Farking...

Anyway, all these years, we've been brainwashed led to believe that colorless is better, and that colors in a diamond are flaws... So what's with these great yellow monstrosities?


The colored ones are made from the ashes of dead people. (new window)
 
2013-01-04 02:27:48 PM

Flakeloaf: TheWhoppah: Good luck in proving that she had intent to deprive the owner of the property at the time that she found it as requird by the model.

Stuffing an expensive ring into your pocket, telling nobody about it and making no effort to return it would probably suggest intent to keep it.


not really, if she found the ring while disrobing, it is plausible that you wouldn't immediately take it to the front desk. Additionally, assuming she had already put the ring in her pocket 'for safe keeping until she could return it', it is additionally plausible that she forgot that she had it. As such, yes, it is going to be hard to establish (beyond a reasonable doubt) that she had the intent to keep the ring when she originally came into possession of the ring.
 
2013-01-04 02:32:08 PM

proteon: Land said she put [the $20,000 ring] in her jacket pocket intending to bring it to the front desk when she was finished, but she forgot.


The sentence before: "I thought to myself, with just feeling it, that it was a real ring," she said.

That's the part that doesn't add up. You feel deep down inside that this ring is the real gold/diamonds, and you "forget" it's in your possession by the time you get to the front of the store? Right.
 
2013-01-04 02:42:14 PM

TheWhoppah: Sgt.Zim: Can Fark help me with this yellow diamond thing, since I'm too lazy too Google it myself right now, when I'm thinking about it, plus that would interfere with Farking...

Anyway, all these years, we've been brainwashed led to believe that colorless is better, and that colors in a diamond are flaws... So what's with these great yellow monstrosities?

The colored ones are made from the ashes of dead people. (new window)


OMFG. Just. Wow. It takes quite a bit to shut me up, but... Wow.

Check out those prices. Yet, ordinary, "created" diamonds which are just as real and superior to the lumps of carbon that come out of the ground are no good... Fark the entire jewelry industry (in which I used to work).

Wife knows what I want done with my ashes: load 'em in shotgun shells and discharge appropriately. Even if she doesn't do that, I wont be around to care, but I know she won't do this shiat.
 
2013-01-04 02:45:03 PM

WhyKnot: Flakeloaf: TheWhoppah: Good luck in proving that she had intent to deprive the owner of the property at the time that she found it as requird by the model.

Stuffing an expensive ring into your pocket, telling nobody about it and making no effort to return it would probably suggest intent to keep it.

not really, if she found the ring while disrobing, it is plausible that you wouldn't immediately take it to the front desk. Additionally, assuming she had already put the ring in her pocket 'for safe keeping until she could return it', it is additionally plausible that she forgot that she had it.


Between the change room and the front door?

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I found a ring!
 
2013-01-04 03:04:46 PM

Flakeloaf: WhyKnot: Flakeloaf: TheWhoppah:

Between the change room and the front door?

[media.tumblr.com image 400x372]

I found a ring!


I was thinking more along the lines of taking possession of the ring...getting her spray tan...and then it slipper her mind. As opposed to finding the ring and then forgetting between the changing room and front door.

that being said, she was spray tanning...so we aren't dealing with a mental giant...if you know what I mean...and I think you do.
 
2013-01-04 03:29:48 PM
orange idiots aside
This Land chick seems like a twatasaurus

she kept something she apparently knew was wrong
" I felt guilty "

there was something in there about returning to where the ring had been appraised...
so, she got it appraised then contacted the lady she KNEW it belonged to?
and not even directly, had a 'friend' do it

sounds like a set up to ask for more cash
at the very least
 
2013-01-04 03:56:52 PM
Living in the area, and knowing a few people in the local courts and law enforcement, I am a little familiar with this case.

She who found the ring originally had no intent on keeping the ring. I don't think anyone really disputes this. She did however hold out in returning it until it was worth something to her.

She who lost the ring never intended to pay a reward for the ring, ever. The reward was offered to "draw out the thief".

As to the "I forgot about the ring in my pocket between here and the front door" thing, lots of people forget much more important things all the time. Case in point, let me leave this bit of depressing news for everyone. Link
 
2013-01-04 04:05:44 PM
"I felt so guilty about having it that I just rolled it up in some tissue and put it in a back pocket of my purse," she said. "I didn't know how to take it back."

Didn't know how to take it back?

Sounds guilty to me.
 
zez
2013-01-04 04:12:45 PM

grinding_journalist: 2. Did anyone else read "Jack Banas" as "Jack Bananas"?


I think that every time I see his signs during election season
 
zez
2013-01-04 04:17:19 PM
I know that if I found a large piece of jewlery or a wallet fat with cash, the last thing I would do is hand it over to the minimum wage flunky working the desk at a tanning booth.
 
2013-01-04 04:56:18 PM
It's theft. We're not talking "I forgot it that day, but brought it back the next day" or "I forgot to give it to the attendant, but I called the cops the next day." We're talking weeks - from May 9 to June 7 - in which she did everything she could to distance herself from possession, from hiding the ring twice (once in her coat pocket, once wrapped in her purse) to having her friend call in for the reward. She didn't call a judge to report the discovery, as state law requires, nor did she tell the employees at the tanning booth, who had to deal with the cops investigating each and every one of them as possible thieves.

She did everything a reticent thief would do - took the item, realized that it was expensive, realized she could be caught, and tried to claim a reward for the item nearly a month after taking it. Now, she realizes that she's screwed either way, and thinks she's going to sue the owner? Really?

Cough up the ring back to the owner, in return for the owner not pressing charges and both of you giving up on the civil suits. Be glad you're rich, white (well, more or less), and in a state that forgives the rich and white - if you'd been poor and black, you'd be in jail awaiting trial for grand theft, at a minimum.
 
2013-01-04 05:36:06 PM

WhyKnot: Flakeloaf: WhyKnot: Flakeloaf: TheWhoppah:

Between the change room and the front door?

[media.tumblr.com image 400x372]

I found a ring!

I was thinking more along the lines of taking possession of the ring...getting her spray tan...and then it slipper her mind. As opposed to finding the ring and then forgetting between the changing room and front door.

that being said, she was spray tanning...so we aren't dealing with a mental giant...if you know what I mean...and I think you do.


Yup yup. Consider your nudge winked.
 
2013-01-05 03:11:08 AM

Flakeloaf: WhyKnot: Flakeloaf: TheWhoppah: Good luck in proving that she had intent to deprive the owner of the property at the time that she found it as requird by the model.

Stuffing an expensive ring into your pocket, telling nobody about it and making no effort to return it would probably suggest intent to keep it.

not really, if she found the ring while disrobing, it is plausible that you wouldn't immediately take it to the front desk. Additionally, assuming she had already put the ring in her pocket 'for safe keeping until she could return it', it is additionally plausible that she forgot that she had it.

Between the change room and the front door?

[media.tumblr.com image 400x372]

I found a ring!


I realize it seems implausible, but I do that kind of thing all the time, just not generally with high price valuables. For example, I've been driving a probate lawyer crazy by continuously forgetting to change an address for a $40 stock for like a year, because every time I think about it (like now) it's not during business hours.
 
2013-01-05 12:10:12 PM
Obviously, the one who seeks the reward is the one who stole it...SO THEY DON'T DESERVE ANY REWARD! HAHAHA
 
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