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2013-01-04 11:22:10 AM  

Infernalist: As I understand the article, the GOP is in full 'throw the derpers under the bus' mode. They're discussing changing rules and such about the primaries, thus eliminating the effectiveness of the far-right Derper crowd.

It would seem as if they've decided the Tea Derper monster that they've created...needs to die.

This can only be good for the political climate in this country. I say, bravo sane GOP. I realize your intentions are simply to try and hold onto power, but even the Devil can do a good deed when he has the proper motivation.



Might be difficult to do since they spent the last two election cycles voting the crazies into 6-year terms.
 
2013-01-04 11:22:40 AM  

Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


so are you saying that the GOP running McCain and Mitt and losing is the fault of the liberals?

who would you have liked to see get the nom? you know if it wasn't for all those libs.
 
2013-01-04 11:23:30 AM  

randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


Given the teabaggers cost the Republicans the Senate in 2010, and lost them what should have been easy seats in 2012, yes. And Republicans only hold the House due to gerrymandering, not because most people want them running things.
 
2013-01-04 11:24:16 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Maybe the lady in question isn't a liberal but is actually somewhere on the political left and doesn't feel like a choice between "the Republican agenda" and "the Republican agenda from eight years ago" is all that legit? Ah well. I hope you guys actually do something real in addition to voting.

As far as the Republicans go, I think Buffalo's got the right idea, they're clearly not far right enough. I hope that works out for them.


That or someone who didn't pay attention to 2010. A lot of the left and center stayed home then; I know a few who did so because they were disappointed in the Democrats not playing hardball with the Republicans.

Some times you have to choose between getting punched in the arm or getting kicked in the balls. Sure it stings a little to get punched in the arm, but it's better then having a bunch of Tea Party jackasses kicking you in the balls for years at a time.
 
2013-01-04 11:27:13 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: They aren't addressing the core problem with their primary system.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

No amount of tweaking is going to help when this is the quality of candidate available to choose from.


It's not the Primary process itself.

The leadership had very little hope of taking Obama in this election. They knew this going in. Bachmann knew that she had no hope in 10,000 Hells or Seven Heavens of getting the nod this year. Nor in 2016 for that matter. What all of those folks did realize is that there was a LOT of money to be made this election season. With books, with PACs, with fundraisers, with rallies, and it was about fleecing the rubes for as much as they could bear, and in order to keep up their spirits--and their wallets and pocketbooks open. For all the Sturm und Drang, and all the frenzied rhetoric, the leadership was more than fairly certain that whoever got the nod would lose. But, that didn't stop the opportunists and folks from moving cash around to the right folks after begging the rubes for MOAR cash.

Johnson and Huntsman were the only credible candidates on the field, and by credible, I mean relatively sane. Romney was a sacrificial lamb, but he has been a veteran campaigner. Not necessarily a successful one, but he knew how to pay folks back, to get something on the back end, after the election. He moved a lot of cash around to the right folks. On advisers. On staff. On ads. On books. His entire career has been being a poster child, who slides cash to the right folks, with himself as a target. From before the Olympics even. He knows how to grease the right palms once he gets into a position, and he is really good at making sure that folks get taken care of. As a candidate he made sure that a LOT of cash went to the right folks. He kept up ad revenue for Fox. He kept the wheels greased for dozens of websites. He hired a lot of folks and made sure that they got paid. He served a purpose. Not to win. Cripes, I don't think that anyone in the GOP really wanted the Presidency with as much crap to clean up from their last go around, but when you have founded your base on mouth breathers, you have to give them something to hope for. You have to give them a target for ire, because if you don't, then they might begin asking questions, and the wrong kind.

The field this last go around wasn't about winning. Not in the least. It was about fleecing the rubes for as much as possible, because at this point, that is really all the TEA Party is good for. They are good for rage cash, and in order to stoke that, you need folks who will stand as symbols. Bachmann. Paul. Newt. All fairly impossible tickets, but then again, folks play the lotto with similar odds, and that is really what it was about: cashing in on folks who want to believe.

Romney himself, I doubt really wanted to win. Not after his tenure as Governor. Not with all the eyes looking straight at him, and actually listening to what he would say. That is far more scrutiny than he is comfortable with. He did want to be a good soldier and slide cash to the folks who will pad out his retirement though. He did want the accolades for a while, and then when he failed, he could point to the "underhanded tactics" that cost his election, and slide back into a boardroom, surfeit and complete with the knowledge that he would make his cash back, and pride assuaged. Winning would be a catastrophe for the GOP right now. It would mean actually tackling the problems that their policies had caused, and with a full light upon them on how to accomplish the vocal goals that they've announced. And no one in the party wants that. Right now, they are reactionaries and radicals, and that requires something to rage against. In order to look like they're doing something, as opposed to doing something useful--because folks have a fairly good idea of what is necessary, but no one wants to be the ones to tell the American public that they're going to take the tough steps to do that. Instead, they are banking on being dragged to the table, and eventually they will capitulate in order to keep the nation afloat--they just don't want to do it too willingly, because they've bet the farm on being the ones to stand up against the very strategies needed.
 
2013-01-04 11:28:43 AM  

Jairzinho: Dimensio: sammyk: ariseatex: /Freepers must be having a heart attack over this

It's glorious! They are busy dropping their republican registrations for independent.

I have also changed my registration from Republican to independent. I suspect, however, that I have done so for different reasons.

/Not a Fark Independent.

That means nothing if you still vote straight R tickets no matter what.


In most states registering "independent" means that you can't vote in the primary. Freepers doing this is arguably a Good Thingtm, since it should reduce the number of totally batshiat R nominees.
 
2013-01-04 11:28:46 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: A Dark Evil Omen: Maybe the lady in question isn't a liberal but is actually somewhere on the political left and doesn't feel like a choice between "the Republican agenda" and "the Republican agenda from eight years ago" is all that legit? Ah well. I hope you guys actually do something real in addition to voting.

As far as the Republicans go, I think Buffalo's got the right idea, they're clearly not far right enough. I hope that works out for them.

That or someone who didn't pay attention to 2010. A lot of the left and center stayed home then; I know a few who did so because they were disappointed in the Democrats not playing hardball with the Republicans.

Some times you have to choose between getting punched in the arm or getting kicked in the balls. Sure it stings a little to get punched in the arm, but it's better then having a bunch of Tea Party jackasses kicking you in the balls for years at a time.


So how exactly do you propose to get the Dems to shift left? What about rewarding them over and over for moving to the right seems like a good way to do that?

Like I said, I hope you actually do something yourself in addition to voting, because guess what? Those kicks in the balls? The Democrats are "triangulating" on exactly how much hard their shoe has to be to do the same thing while still getting you to vote for them.
 
2013-01-04 11:30:05 AM  

Saiga410: theknuckler_33: Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.

Where, exactly, are liberals telling Republicans how to win primaries?

Outside of this thread?


Well, it certainly isn't in this thread or in TFA... I was just wondering where that came from.
 
2013-01-04 11:38:21 AM  

randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


That's Senators Donnelly, McCaskill, Tester, and Heitkamp to you. And Tea Party stink got on Scott Brown and several other non-Tea Party Republican candidates.
 
2013-01-04 11:40:19 AM  

beerrun: Glenford:

Try Freep Impact

Oh. My. God.


Yeah... i felt the same... I mean we have nutty people in my country but sheesh...
 
2013-01-04 11:41:37 AM  
/looks at the formation of the Catholic Church.
Yeah, the Spanish Inquisition is such a problem for Christians.
 
2013-01-04 11:44:14 AM  
So there solution is to rig the primary system in order to ge thet "establishment" candidate nominated and without having to go "full teatard" to get said nomination. That way they can run a more moderate candidate in the general one. So basically want to nominate someone who will not draw attention to the messed up policies they promote rather than actually change the messed up policies to more sensible ones.
 
2013-01-04 11:46:33 AM  

snowshovel: vernonFL: When did the Republican Party become so inept? I've seen middle school elections go more smoothly than their primaries.

Well, based on the first page or so of that article, middle school elections go more smoothly mostly because Democrats aren't coming in with their dirty tricks to help get people like Todd Akins to win the Republican primaries.


I love the way that it's the Democrats fault that the Republicans are nominating such shiatty candidates.
 
2013-01-04 11:52:05 AM  

randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


/looks at 2012 results

Yes, yes they are. XD

/sees you running back into your hole
//the groundhog has a problem with you
 
2013-01-04 11:53:49 AM  

beerrun: Glenford:

Try Freep Impact

Oh. My. God.


Bookmarked the first time I saw it. XD
 
2013-01-04 11:55:12 AM  

Lord_Baull: /looks at the formation of the Catholic Church.
Yeah, the Spanish Inquisition is such a problem for Christians.


That because no one expects it.
 
2013-01-04 11:58:50 AM  

hubiestubert: Romney himself, I doubt really wanted to win.


Bullshiat. You don't run for President as GOPer for like 12 years without wanting to be President. If he just wanted to run without any hope of winning, he could have been a Constitution or Libertarian candidate.
 
2013-01-04 12:01:09 PM  

wingnut396: hubiestubert: Romney himself, I doubt really wanted to win.

Bullshiat. You don't run for President as GOPer for like 12 years without wanting to be President. If he just wanted to run without any hope of winning, he could have been a Constitution or Libertarian candidate.


Nowhere near as much cash within arms reach on either of those tickets.
 
2013-01-04 12:02:08 PM  

randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


Well it did cost them the Senate twice.
 
2013-01-04 12:02:56 PM  

Glenford: Try Freep Impact

*

"far-right extremist"


I really don't understand this term. I define 'right' as conservative, capitalist. I define 'left' as big government socialist.

Hitler, Stalin are far left. Skinheads who support Hitler's goals are far left, but called far right.

*


i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-04 12:07:19 PM  

macadamnut: Glenford: Try Freep Impact

*

"far-right extremist"


I really don't understand this term. I define 'right' as conservative, capitalist. I define 'left' as big government socialist.

Hitler, Stalin are far left. Skinheads who support Hitler's goals are far left, but called far right.

*

[i512.photobucket.com image 500x314]


It's common for delusional right-wing clowns to say fascists and other racist, xenophobic hate groups are really left wing groups.

Yeah, I don't get it either...
 
2013-01-04 12:12:46 PM  

wingnut396: hubiestubert: Romney himself, I doubt really wanted to win.

Bullshiat. You don't run for President as GOPer for like 12 years without wanting to be President. If he just wanted to run without any hope of winning, he could have been a Constitution or Libertarian candidate.


There is no money to be made for other folks running for those parties. None. They lose money, and not in a way that benefits anyone useful.

Elections nowadays are business. Big business. Between campaign consultants, ad revenue, books, and the rest, there is a huge amount of cash to be made. Even for small timers like Christine O'Donnel. For folks like Palin or Bachmann, they are gold mines. For Romney and Newt, they are ways to pay back favors, and get onto boards that will keep them in the style that they are accustomed to. Mind you, at some point, there may have been a glimmer of hope of taking the office that his father failed to achieve, but in the end, you don't mount the sort of shaky campaign as he did with dreams of competence. Same can be said for McCain.

In McCain's case, I think he started off strong, and with real hopes of office, and then realizing exactly how boned things were, he scuttled his own campaign in such a way that it looked more like simple incompetence. Romney? I've had to deal with him with the UMaine system, and while he is anything like a warm or even principled human being, he is NOT incompetent. He is ever calculating. He sees percentages and advantages  always. I think that in 2008, he wanted the office. He was outmaneuvered by the party machine, and was sidelined, and in that time, I do think that he was convinced to run again, but not as an actual candidate, but as a fund raiser and faux celebrity, and as a poster boy and symbol.

Because folks made a fair chunk of change on this election. They took a lot of cash from this election, and socked it away. Yes, the Koch brothers spent a good deal on this election. And they will receive good value on what they spent, and it had to go to the right people, right under regulatory folks' noses. Romney is a prince at steering other peoples' cash to the right folks, and that has been his MO pretty much...forever. From corporate money, from university cash, to State cash, and campaign cash. He is not so much a man of ideas, but a man who knows how to get the right folks cash, and get his on the back end. This was less about him getting an office, than him securing a better retirement, and keeping his club standings.
 
2013-01-04 12:13:53 PM  

Infernalist: It would seem as if they've decided the Tea Derper monster that they've created...needs to die.


And they'll enact new rules to ensure that the problems with their party never actually get fixed.
 
2013-01-04 12:14:03 PM  

randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


/looks at 2012 election results

You're either an idiot or delusional.
 
2013-01-04 12:18:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.

Well it did cost them the Senate twice.


Still spanking it over 2010, eh?

Funny thing...all during the lead up to the 2012 election, I heard over and over again from Republicans how the GOP Surge of 2010 was going to be dwarfed by what was going to happen in 2012; Obama led away in handcuffs, complete domination of both Congressional sides and the White House, the SCOTUS stacked with Conservative handmadiens, the big wave was comin'..WOO HOO!

Didn't happen that way, did it?

Republicans Inc. are still clueless as to what the hell happened to them this past year. Most of them still blame voter fraud, the media and brown people wanting free stuff.

Please proceed, Republicans. Until you flush the fetid jetsam from your wretched party, the trend of 2012 will continue and 2010 will be seen as your last gasp before oblivion.
 
2013-01-04 12:22:53 PM  

cptrios: sammyk: somedude210: sammyk: ariseatex: /Freepers must be having a heart attack over this

It's glorious! They are busy dropping their republican registrations for independent.

either start quoting them or link that shiat. (or both, don't want workers knowing I travel to freeperville)

/but fark is okay
//this is my logic ^_^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2974838/posts

The Highlights:
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1- Address white business envelope
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x222]
2- Jot-down a brief, friendly note
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 287x184]
3- Include now-useless Party card
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4- Attach tea bag
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5- Affix stamp and hand to mailman

For anyone thinking this is sammyk's joke...it is, indeed, an actual clipping from Freeperland.


I like that they used a stock photo of a pretty girl writing the note. Probably couldn't find a real teabagger who doesn't look batshiat insane.

/I like her shirt. It makes my pants feel funny.
 
2013-01-04 12:28:22 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: snowshovel: vernonFL: When did the Republican Party become so inept? I've seen middle school elections go more smoothly than their primaries.

Well, based on the first page or so of that article, middle school elections go more smoothly mostly because Democrats aren't coming in with their dirty tricks to help get people like Todd Akins to win the Republican primaries.

I love the way that it's the Democrats fault that the Republicans are nominating such shiatty candidates.



Party of Personal ResponsibilityTM!
 
2013-01-04 12:28:48 PM  

Citrate1007: randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.

/looks at 2012 election results

You're either an idiot or delusional.


Why just one?
 
2013-01-04 12:29:45 PM  
ws;sr - which is "writing sucks; stopped reading.

can I get bullet points?
 
2013-01-04 12:31:23 PM  

heavymetal: So there their solution is to rig the primary system in order to ge the "establishment" candidate nominated and without having to go "full teatard" to get said nomination. That way they can run a more moderate candidate in the general one. So basically want to nominate someone who will not draw attention to the messed up policies they promote rather than actually change the messed up policies to more sensible ones.


FTFM
 
2013-01-04 12:40:40 PM  

namatad: can I get bullet points?


Why, you heading out to demonstrate your patriotism?
 
2013-01-04 12:53:22 PM  
They should be more like the Democrats and let the politicians choose their nominee.
 
2013-01-04 12:56:57 PM  

Nome de Plume: They should be more like the Democrats and let the politicians choose their nominee.



The way they chose Obama over Hillary in 2008?
 
2013-01-04 01:05:57 PM  

Lord_Baull: Nome de Plume: They should be more like the Democrats and let the politicians choose their nominee.


The way they chose Obama over Hillary in 2008?


Yes. Teddy and the clan brought it home for him.
 
2013-01-04 01:07:07 PM  

Nome de Plume: They should be more like the Democrats and let the politicians choose their nominee.


Lordamercy, farkin' weaksauce. WHO DO WE HAVE TO BLOW TO GET A BETTER CLASS OF TROLLS AROUND HERE?
 
2013-01-04 01:09:55 PM  

Lord_Baull: namatad: can I get bullet points?

Why, you heading out to demonstrate your patriotism?


It would help if we knew who would have the biggest impact.
 
2013-01-04 01:37:50 PM  
Part of me wants to soberly think "this could all happen to Democrats one day, too." But then I remember that the GOP has built most of its positions on the notion that ignorance is a higher form of wisdom and that rational, critical thinking is for socialist queers, so maybe it isn't as likely to happen to anyone else but was inevitable for the GOP.
 
2013-01-04 01:51:27 PM  
Funny. Based on the article's comments, it sounds like the GOP are in desperate need of a...
.
.
....Community Organizer.
 
2013-01-04 02:14:27 PM  

hubiestubert: There is no money to be made for other folks running for those parties. None. They lose money, and not in a way that benefits anyone useful.

Elections nowadays are business. Big business. Between campaign consultants, ad revenue, books, and the rest, there is a huge amount of cash to be made. Even for small timers like Christine O'Donnel. For folks like Palin or Bachmann, they are gold mines. For Romney and Newt, they are ways to pay back favors, and get onto boards that will keep them in the style that they are accustomed to. Mind you, at some point, there may have been a glimmer of hope of taking the office that his father failed to achieve, but in the end, you don't mount the sort of shaky campaign as he did with dreams of competence. Same can be said for McCa


You mount it by being in a echo chamber. I'm sure Romney is a calculating business person to a large degree. He also comes across as an arrogant rich kid who always got what he wanted. The stories of the campaign living in the echo chamber of Republican/Fox News propaganda would have easily given him enough false positive feedback to think he had it in the bag. It easy to hear yes we will win when you surround yourself with desperate yes men.

I would imagine for Romney winning the Presidency would be a much better way to pay back favors and develop new ones for his future than losing a campaign would be. Unless there is some crazy revelation, I've no doubt he came out the RNC convention expecting to win. Perhaps a couple weeks before the general election he saw the writing and gave up hope of himself winning, but had to save face and 'help' the rest of the Republicans on the ticket.

Or maybe the whole failure of the Republican party is the Democrats fault as the author suggests early in the article. They are part of personal responsibility and as such they have no problem finding other people personally responsible for the failing of the GOP.
 
2013-01-04 02:40:53 PM  

Citrate1007: randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.

/looks at 2012 election results

You're either an idiot or delusional.


Why not both?
 
2013-01-04 03:17:06 PM  
The TP has at least another election cycle in their present incarnation.

2014 can expect a few more Akins to get the primary nomination.

But, can expect those to be met by more moderate "R-Independent" candidates, with Democrats either agreeing to help the Independent candidate, or, if strong enough, take advantage of the split vote.

The greater-GOP probably figures it is strong enough in most of the gerrymandered electorates to absorb the loss of TP votes, and write off any losses as collateral damage.
 
2013-01-04 04:02:12 PM  

Glenford: somedude210: sammyk: ariseatex: /Freepers must be having a heart attack over this

It's glorious! They are busy dropping their republican registrations for independent.

either start quoting them or link that shiat. (or both, don't want workers knowing I travel to freeperville)

/but fark is okay
//this is my logic ^_^

Try Freep Impact


This is great! All the derp of Freeperland without actually having to go to Freeperland!

/ Genius!
 
2013-01-04 04:17:43 PM  
randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


bow bow bow chicka wow wow wow chicka bow bow bow chicka bow wow wow chika bow bow wow

keep KYing and whumping that table all around the room there, pal ;p

kitty likes to watch

/mercy me, what is this GOO all over the caaaarpet!?
 
2013-01-04 04:43:03 PM  

vernonFL: When did the Republican Party become so inept? I've seen middle school elections go more smoothly than their primaries.


Because they are the ones who pushed so hard to allow unlimited corporate money in elections - so corporations are going around buying candidates all they want, with no concern for whether or not that candidate is in the best interest of the Party. The Party itself has very little control over who gets money and money is everything in primaries.
 
2013-01-04 04:43:03 PM  

cptrios: For anyone thinking this is sammyk's joke...it is, indeed, an actual clipping from Freeperland.


My favorite:
************
Trouble is, radical socialist Barack Obama has jerked this country's political 'norm' so far to the left that any 'compromise in the middle' with the GOP's middlin' talents ends up being something Fidel Castro would have little problem with.
************
(emphasis in original)

Yeah, I noticed that the country has moved so far to the left that the healthcare reform proposals of the Heritage Foundation are now commie-lib-socialist pipe dreams. This country has moved so far to the left that a Democrat offered to cut Medicare and Social Security. This country has moved so far to the left that taxes (up until this week) were the lowest they'd been (as a percentage of income) in the last 60 years. This country is so far left that a Democratic president expanded gun rights.

God, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I hear these people talk. Unless this guy is basing his left/right analysis solely on social issues (yay, gays can marry and people can smoke pot) then how the hell can he realistically believe that the country is some socialist utopia?
 
2013-01-04 05:12:12 PM  
God damn, but it's funny listening to the mice talk about tying the bell on the cat.
 
2013-01-04 05:17:41 PM  
When Clinton triangulation beat the GOP, the GOP gave up the middle and began to campaign from the far-right inward. Combine this with gerrymandering, and you get their current state. Now you have extremists dominating local elections in districts that are safe from the other party. They won't lose the general election, so you have primaries where the candidates try to out-rightwing each other. Of course, a local right-wing hero is usually seen nationally as a kook.
Until the GOP falls apart, they will win the House and lose the White House most of the time.
 
2013-01-04 05:26:44 PM  

keylock71: Bloody William: keylock71: Epoch_Zero: keylock71: Don't farking care...

It'll be a cold day in hell before a Republican gets a vote from me again, so they can go pound salt up their asses for all I care.

Go on...

I've often wondered if that phrase implies the salt is being pounded in a granular state or if it's compressed into a dildo shape first... : )

Either way, I'm pretty sure that's how salmiak is made.

/Utterly gross

Lol... I love salted liquorice. The wife's Finnish relatives bring me boxes of the stuff when they come over for visits.

I have not pounded it up my ass, though... I prefer the more traditional method.


img2.timeinc.net

"Exsqueeze me?"
/hot
//link is too
 
2013-01-04 06:28:23 PM  

ArkPanda: Loucifer: They should start trying to find candidates with human souls.

Knowing the Republicans, they'll fix it by sending out Dick Cheney with a shotgun and some black soul gems.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-04 09:52:47 PM  

Pichu0102: ArkPanda: Loucifer: They should start trying to find candidates with human souls.

Knowing the Republicans, they'll fix it by sending out Dick Cheney with a shotgun and some black soul gems.

[i.imgur.com image 400x225]


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm black soul gems
 
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