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2013-01-04 10:32:45 AM  

vernonFL: When did the Republican Party become so inept? I've seen middle school elections go more smoothly than their primaries.


Well, based on the first page or so of that article, middle school elections go more smoothly mostly because Democrats aren't coming in with their dirty tricks to help get people like Todd Akins to win the Republican primaries.
 
2013-01-04 10:33:17 AM  
Don't farking care...

It'll be a cold day in hell before a Republican gets a vote from me again, so they can go pound salt up their asses for all I care.
 
2013-01-04 10:33:25 AM  

Loucifer: They should start trying to find candidates with human souls.


Knowing the Republicans, they'll fix it by sending out Dick Cheney with a shotgun and some black soul gems.
 
2013-01-04 10:34:14 AM  

keylock71: Don't farking care...

It'll be a cold day in hell before a Republican gets a vote from me again, so they can go pound salt up their asses for all I care.


Go on...
 
2013-01-04 10:36:05 AM  

snowshovel: vernonFL: When did the Republican Party become so inept? I've seen middle school elections go more smoothly than their primaries.

Well, based on the first page or so of that article, middle school elections go more smoothly mostly because Democrats aren't coming in with their dirty tricks to help get people like Todd Akins to win the Republican primaries.


Also, the Liberal Main stream MSM isn't in middle school election repeating verbatim what the candidates say, in order to unfairly make them look bad.
 
2013-01-04 10:36:43 AM  
How is this a stupid move? The party realized it had a problem with the candidates it's primaries were producing. They had several choices and this was the least damaging to the largest wing of the party.
 
2013-01-04 10:36:48 AM  

Epoch_Zero: keylock71: Don't farking care...

It'll be a cold day in hell before a Republican gets a vote from me again, so they can go pound salt up their asses for all I care.

Go on...


I've often wondered if that phrase implies the salt is being pounded in a granular state or if it's compressed into a dildo shape first... : )
 
2013-01-04 10:38:40 AM  

keylock71: Epoch_Zero: keylock71: Don't farking care...

It'll be a cold day in hell before a Republican gets a vote from me again, so they can go pound salt up their asses for all I care.

Go on...

I've often wondered if that phrase implies the salt is being pounded in a granular state or if it's compressed into a dildo shape first... : )


Either way, I'm pretty sure that's how salmiak is made.

/Utterly gross
 
2013-01-04 10:38:40 AM  

randomjsa: /looks at 2010 results

Yeah, the Tea Party is such a huge problem for the Republicans.


Dude, really? 2010 was a midterm election for the party in the White House in a bad economy after two straight elections where the Dems picked up lots of seats (which meant they were holding lots of marginal seats). The tea partiers had nothing to do with it despite all the noise and simpleton analysis by the media. The tea party COST the Repubs seats in 2010, especially in the Senate. Nevada, Delaware, and Colorado should have elected Republican senators in 2010. Several more should have been elected this year. Republicans should have a majority in the Senate right now but they don't because of stupid primary choices driven by the tea party. Election results eventually force parties to self-correct. The Republicans are just now starting the conversation but, eventually you'll see a dramatic repackaging of the party. That's still a ways off. Thus, for example, the Reps are about to throw away the governor's seat in Virginia.
 
2013-01-04 10:39:00 AM  

what_now: actualhuman: but but but town council meetings? You practically need a sub-room-temperature IQ just to stay awake.

Then run for office. What the hell is stopping you?


Well, I was going for the cheap laugh (and anyone with the courage to stand up and debate deserves better than that), but I can't afford the time. Why don't you? ;)
 
2013-01-04 10:41:15 AM  

somedude210: It'd be nice if the GOP actually did some soul searching and either concluded that they don't have one or that they need to be more moderate in their positions to sustain themselves


You said that with a straight face, how'd you do that?
 
2013-01-04 10:42:23 AM  

sammyk: somedude210: sammyk: ariseatex: /Freepers must be having a heart attack over this

It's glorious! They are busy dropping their republican registrations for independent.

either start quoting them or link that shiat. (or both, don't want workers knowing I travel to freeperville)

/but fark is okay
//this is my logic ^_^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2974838/posts

The Highlights:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x225]
1- Address white business envelope
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x222]
2- Jot-down a brief, friendly note
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 287x184]
3- Include now-useless Party card
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x239]
4- Attach tea bag
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 214x320]
5- Affix stamp and hand to mailman


For anyone thinking this is sammyk's joke...it is, indeed, an actual clipping from Freeperland.
 
2013-01-04 10:42:25 AM  

Glenford:

Try Freep Impact


Oh. My. God.
 
2013-01-04 10:42:55 AM  
Republican leaders are planning to intervene in selected 2014 races to ensure preferred candidates win the nomination.

Why do Republicans hate democracy?
 
2013-01-04 10:44:29 AM  

WTF Indeed: How is this a stupid move? The party realized it had a problem with the candidates it's primaries were producing. They had several choices and this was the least damaging to the largest wing of the party.


more like too little too late. The stupid move was creating and propping up this group of morans in the first place.

the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

I'd liken the GOPs strategy here to setting the couch on fire to heat your house...yeah it's warm for a bit, but pretty soon you'll regret it and eventually you're gonna be farked.

they're apparently now realizing they need to get that flaming couch out of the house, but the fire is already out of control. They'll be building a new house for many years to come if the TP leaves the GOP.
 
2013-01-04 10:44:29 AM  

hubiestubert: somedude210: It'd be nice if the GOP actually did some soul searching and either concluded that they don't have one or that they need to be more moderate in their positions to sustain themselves

Hence, why I reiterate joining the Modern Whigs...


Well, it would be kind of cool to see a 21st-century party whose historical standard-bearers were William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor, and Millard Fillmore. Maybe you should consider a different name. . . .
 
2013-01-04 10:44:44 AM  
Though, now that I think about it, the average Maine state congressman represents a little less than 9000 people it would be pretty easy to run for state house if I knew a few of the right sort of people.

/Actually a friend's dad ran for state house in a heavily Republican rural district, mostly just to get his name out there for another year, and barely got 15% of the vote but that was in 2010.
 
2013-01-04 10:45:23 AM  
images.businessweek.com

What a primary Republican problem might look like
 
2013-01-04 10:46:09 AM  

yequalsy: Dude, really? 2010 was a midterm election for the party in the White House in a bad economy after two straight elections where the Dems picked up lots of seats (which meant they were holding lots of marginal seats).


Their success in state legislatures was significant, especially since 2010 was a census year.
 
2013-01-04 10:47:49 AM  

lilbjorn: Republican leaders are planning to intervene in selected 2014 races to ensure preferred candidates win the nomination.

Why do Republicans hate democracy?


They've devolved into fascists. They are utterly antithetical to their own name.
 
2013-01-04 10:47:49 AM  
Further, expect Senate Republicans to insert themselves in those 2014 primaries when Democrats attempt to influence the GOP nominating process as they did in the 2012 Missouri Republican contest that produced Akin


Libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs.
 
2013-01-04 10:48:04 AM  

unexplained bacon: the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.


Who are they going to vote for? The TP people are above average politically active people. It is hard for this type of person to not vote.
 
2013-01-04 10:50:08 AM  

unexplained bacon: more like too little too late. The stupid move was creating and propping up this group of morans in the first place.

the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.


It's not too little too late. Too late would be if they did this after 2016 since it would be three presidential election cycles. Besides this isn't new, the Democratic party has been doing this for years since they realized after the 1970's that allowing the super liberal section of the party to control it's agenda hurt it nationally.
 
2013-01-04 10:52:31 AM  

lilbjorn: Republican leaders are planning to intervene in selected 2014 races to ensure preferred candidates win the nomination.

Why do Republicans hate democracy?


Because it generally does not work out well for Republicans.
 
2013-01-04 10:53:02 AM  

unexplained bacon: WTF Indeed: How is this a stupid move? The party realized it had a problem with the candidates it's primaries were producing. They had several choices and this was the least damaging to the largest wing of the party.

more like too little too late. The stupid move was creating and propping up this group of morans in the first place.

the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.


If the freeper post liked earlier in this thread is any indication, many TPers are changing their registrations to Independent. I don't know what the rules are in all the states, but here in Pa. the primaries are closed... you can only vote for your party in the primaries. It would seem that large defections from GOP to Independent would make it even more difficult for them to get a conservative candidate through the primaries. I know lots of states have open primaries, but I'm sure others are like Pa., so I don't think they've thought their cunning plan all the way through.

Or else they're all just blowing hot air.
 
2013-01-04 10:53:51 AM  

Saiga410: unexplained bacon: the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

Who are they going to vote for? The TP people are above average politically active people. It is hard for this type of person to not vote.


you think they'll vote GOP after they've deemed them traitorous?
they're known for their petty grudge style of politics, maybe some will vote GOP to stick it to libs, but many will write in, abstain, or perhaps look to create their own party...all of which would hurt the GOP IMO.
 
2013-01-04 10:54:20 AM  

wingnut396: Further, expect Senate Republicans to insert themselves in those 2014 primaries when Democrats attempt to influence the GOP nominating process as they did in the 2012 Missouri Republican contest that produced Akin


Libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs, libs.


The evil power has destroyed his mind. He doesn't even know what he's doing anymore. What an almighty idiot!
 
2013-01-04 10:56:40 AM  

WTF Indeed: unexplained bacon: more like too little too late. The stupid move was creating and propping up this group of morans in the first place.

the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

It's not too little too late. Too late would be if they did this after 2016 since it would be three presidential election cycles. Besides this isn't new, the Democratic party has been doing this for years since they realized after the 1970's that allowing the super liberal section of the party to control it's agenda hurt it nationally.


it's my opinion that the GOP was already in trouble, this will lose them more votes than it will gain them I think. It's going to hurt an already struggling party.

I don't think the Dem comparison works well...the TP is petty and vengeful, they're well known for zero compromise even if it hurts them so...

/all speculation
//guess we'll see
 
2013-01-04 10:57:20 AM  

Bloody William: keylock71: Epoch_Zero: keylock71: Don't farking care...

It'll be a cold day in hell before a Republican gets a vote from me again, so they can go pound salt up their asses for all I care.

Go on...

I've often wondered if that phrase implies the salt is being pounded in a granular state or if it's compressed into a dildo shape first... : )

Either way, I'm pretty sure that's how salmiak is made.

/Utterly gross


Lol... I love salted liquorice. The wife's Finnish relatives bring me boxes of the stuff when they come over for visits.

I have not pounded it up my ass, though... I prefer the more traditional method.
 
2013-01-04 10:57:56 AM  

Saiga410: unexplained bacon: the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

Who are they going to vote for? The TP people are above average politically active people. It is hard for this type of person to not vote.


Oh, they'll still vote Republican, they just like to make noise, and sound important.
 
2013-01-04 10:59:10 AM  

unexplained bacon: Saiga410: unexplained bacon: the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

Who are they going to vote for? The TP people are above average politically active people. It is hard for this type of person to not vote.

you think they'll vote GOP after they've deemed them traitorous?
they're known for their petty grudge style of politics, maybe some will vote GOP to stick it to libs, but many will write in, abstain, or perhaps look to create their own party...all of which would hurt the GOP IMO.


Yeah, I saw a poll linked the other day (I'm not sure which) showing roughly 10% of reg. voters ID as Tea Partiers. Presumably in the deep red states it's higher. If even half of those break off and form a separate Tea Party it's probably enough to gain a ballot line in most states, and that would be more than enough to seriously ham-string the GOP candidates.
 
Ant
2013-01-04 10:59:49 AM  
Dump the religious right, you morons!
 
2013-01-04 11:00:46 AM  

theknuckler_33: unexplained bacon: WTF Indeed: How is this a stupid move? The party realized it had a problem with the candidates it's primaries were producing. They had several choices and this was the least damaging to the largest wing of the party.

more like too little too late. The stupid move was creating and propping up this group of morans in the first place.

the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

If the freeper post liked earlier in this thread is any indication, many TPers are changing their registrations to Independent. I don't know what the rules are in all the states, but here in Pa. the primaries are closed... you can only vote for your party in the primaries. It would seem that large defections from GOP to Independent would make it even more difficult for them to get a conservative candidate through the primaries. I know lots of states have open primaries, but I'm sure others are like Pa., so I don't think they've thought their cunning plan all the way through.

Or else they're all just blowing hot air.


These guys will certainly cut their nose off to spite their face...that's pretty much a defining characteristic of these clowns.
I think this is a net loss for the GOP in any case. I also think this might end up resulting in an actual Tea Party national party...or at least they'll start putting up candidates under the Independent label and cast votes for them, which is a loss to the GOP.

I think the GOP wont be getting a lot of moderates back out of this either. Too little too late.

/just IMO
 
2013-01-04 11:03:04 AM  

keylock71: Lol... I love salted liquorice. The wife's Finnish relatives bring me boxes of the stuff when they come over for visits.

I have not pounded it up my ass, though... I prefer the more traditional method.


Pounding it up HER ass?
 
2013-01-04 11:03:06 AM  

actualhuman: unexplained bacon: Saiga410: unexplained bacon: the TP will not take this well don't you agree? This could result in a split that would leave the GOP minus a lot of votes they really really need.

Who are they going to vote for? The TP people are above average politically active people. It is hard for this type of person to not vote.

you think they'll vote GOP after they've deemed them traitorous?
they're known for their petty grudge style of politics, maybe some will vote GOP to stick it to libs, but many will write in, abstain, or perhaps look to create their own party...all of which would hurt the GOP IMO.

Yeah, I saw a poll linked the other day (I'm not sure which) showing roughly 10% of reg. voters ID as Tea Partiers. Presumably in the deep red states it's higher. If even half of those break off and form a separate Tea Party it's probably enough to gain a ballot line in most states, and that would be more than enough to seriously ham-string the GOP candidates.


exactly...if the GOP makes the TPers conclude that they are an enemy, which is exactly what I see happening, then it's a problem.
 
2013-01-04 11:03:18 AM  

Khellendros: The "primary" problem exists because people don't care about local politics. People don't get involved at the city/county/state level, so we get only those candidates who were voted in at the local and state level over the last 15 years. Those people were put there by the fringe that votes in local elections.

So each time you complain about how the slate of candidates is terrible, filled with moonbats and wingnuts, ask yourself when was the last time you participated in your county or state elections. Ask yourself when you last got involved in city council or town hall meetings. That's where they start. And if only the "crazies" participate there, that's all you get at the national level once those parasites are done eating each other and advance.


Screw that.  I'd have to be nice to wingnuts and moonbats.
 
2013-01-04 11:05:33 AM  
They aren't addressing the core problem with their primary system.

www.csmonitor.com

No amount of tweaking is going to help when this is the quality of candidate available to choose from.
 
2013-01-04 11:06:08 AM  

theknuckler_33: keylock71: Lol... I love salted liquorice. The wife's Finnish relatives bring me boxes of the stuff when they come over for visits.

I have not pounded it up my ass, though... I prefer the more traditional method.

Pounding it up HER ass?


Exactly.
 
2013-01-04 11:06:57 AM  

what_now: Yup. Some lady in the gym locker room today was ranting about how you should never vote because Obama isn't a real liberal. Lady, you're standing half a mile from Elizabeth Warren's house and you're biatching that liberals can't elected?


So her solution is to make it so far right candidates get elected to office... Yeah, that will sure help the nation and insure more liberals in office.
 
2013-01-04 11:07:52 AM  
Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.
 
2013-01-04 11:10:22 AM  

Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


what do you think about the GOPe's move here?

do you think maybe libs and progs have infiltrated the party?
 
2013-01-04 11:11:04 AM  

Buffalo77: Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


Then please, by all means, next time run the most Conservative person you can find.

See what happens.
 
2013-01-04 11:11:17 AM  
Remember when republicans used to tell us the Tea Party was diverse and bi-partisan?

Good times!
 
2013-01-04 11:12:11 AM  

Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


Unless you were actually paying attention and noticed they were still trying to secure their base in the general election with hard right rhetoric and could not move to the center like the Dems did. The article from this thread actually mentions that point.
 
2013-01-04 11:13:10 AM  

Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


Sounds like you are saying the GOP needs to go further to right in order to win elections.

Please proceed.
 
2013-01-04 11:15:04 AM  

Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


Where, exactly, are liberals telling Republicans how to win primaries?
 
2013-01-04 11:17:01 AM  

theknuckler_33: Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.

Where, exactly, are liberals telling Republicans how to win primaries?


Outside of this thread?
 
2013-01-04 11:17:06 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: They aren't addressing the core problem with their primary system.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

No amount of tweaking is going to help when this is the quality of candidate available to choose from.


Now be fair. There's one entirely sane, qualified candidate in that picture.

/So what if he finished 7th in the Iowa caucus?
 
2013-01-04 11:19:15 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: what_now: Yup. Some lady in the gym locker room today was ranting about how you should never vote because Obama isn't a real liberal. Lady, you're standing half a mile from Elizabeth Warren's house and you're biatching that liberals can't elected?

So her solution is to make it so far right candidates get elected to office... Yeah, that will sure help the nation and insure more liberals in office.


Maybe the lady in question isn't a liberal but is actually somewhere on the political left and doesn't feel like a choice between "the Republican agenda" and "the Republican agenda from eight years ago" is all that legit? Ah well. I hope you guys actually do something real in addition to voting.

As far as the Republicans go, I think Buffalo's got the right idea, they're clearly not far right enough. I hope that works out for them.
 
2013-01-04 11:20:59 AM  

Buffalo77: Once again liberals and progressives who have no clue trying to the the Republicans how to win primaries.

"you need to be more moderate to win elections" (in a whiny voice)

Just ran the two most moderate republican out there the last 2 elections and both McCain and Romney got smoked so yeah your advice looks solid.


And if they had run on their typical moderate platform they had been advocating for years, they would have likely won. Instead, they went completely batshiat crazy during their primary, then pulled to just paint-drinking crazy during the general election. McCain baffled the country by losing his farking mind during his campaign. Everyone was asking where he went - where was his consistent moderate temperament? Why was he playing to the crazies? Literally the SAME HOUR he lost the election, he returned to form during his concession, and there were millions of people saying "I would have voted for THAT guy.... where was he the last 12 months?" Romney spent the last four years going crazy, so at least he had a track record of leaving his moderate republican ideas behind.

Running a moderate doesn't matter if, when the spotlight is on them, they go Bachmann on everyone.
 
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