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2013-01-04 09:06:14 AM
If I'm doing IT work and trying to repair a network, I'd rather have the netbook.
 
2013-01-04 09:41:46 AM
I can't stand using netbooks.  I just feel like a giant mashing keys when I use them.
 
2013-01-04 10:03:34 AM
So, once again, Apple gets credit for something they didn't do? Cheap production quality and razor thin margins killed the netbook. At best, Apple was smart enough not to play the game. They were busy playing a nice game of chess.
 
2013-01-04 12:09:15 PM
whatever, netbooks are awesome, and now many of them are touch screen runnin win8, they're even better. I love my netbook it kicks ass and is 1/4 the price of your little ipad or whatever, with your $200 keyboard accessory that essentially you use to turn it into... a netbook.
 
2013-01-04 12:10:19 PM
I like my little netbook, but I don't use it for anything other than general web stuff. I could imagine trying to do anything more would be difficult.
 
2013-01-04 12:15:30 PM
Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows
 
2013-01-04 12:16:45 PM
I bought my daughter a netbook like 2 or 3 years ago (the same HP mini in the article pic) and it's still running perfectly, and she uses it every day.

I paid $200 and it was worth it.
 
2013-01-04 12:16:45 PM

ha-ha-guy: Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows


Netbook*

/glares at tablet's autocorrect
 
2013-01-04 12:26:04 PM
My girlfriend's netbook is the sole reason i haven't gotten her an iPad.... I put Windows 7 and the full Microsoft Office suite on there (installed over the network), as well as a host of other programs, and it just would seem counterintuitive to go back to a device that pretty much just surfs the web.
 
2013-01-04 12:28:01 PM

NashMcNash: I like my little netbook, but I don't use it for anything other than general web stuff. I could imagine trying to do anything more would be difficult.


I have an old HP Mini. I tethered it to my phone and used it to play WoW on the go.

/As well as Minecraft and other assorted ways of goofing off at work.
 
2013-01-04 12:30:46 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: NashMcNash: I like my little netbook, but I don't use it for anything other than general web stuff. I could imagine trying to do anything more would be difficult.

I have an old HP Mini. I tethered it to my phone and used it to play WoW on the go.

/As well as Minecraft and other assorted ways of goofing off at work.


How did you get WoW to run smoothly enough to play on a netbook? I thought those things had like 256mb of onboard video and 2gb of ram, with a mobile phone processor.

IF it's an older one, I'm even more mystified.

/honestly curious, I quit playing wow when my 3.0 P4 4gb/512mb Vram chugged so bad while flying it'd log me out.
 
2013-01-04 12:30:55 PM

ha-ha-guy: Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows


Really most netbooks ran xp and 7, nothing stripped down from them.  Shill much?
 
2013-01-04 12:32:11 PM
Bought this Asus netbook a few years back for a couple hundred bucks:
imagenes.tecnolatino.com

I treat it like garbage, tossing it around, and in general being very rough on the device - and it just keeps on chugging away.

After dropping in an SSD and upping the ram to 4 gigs, it's a really sweet little touch device. The only complaints I have Is that the screen is pretty low quality, and to upgrade the hard drive it requires disassembling almost every last component.

If they'd drop in a core i3, and a slightly better display/touchscreen, I'd gladly pay ~$650 for a Windows 8 device in that form factor
 
2013-01-04 12:36:14 PM
Doh, I meant upgraded to 2 gigs - not 4.
 
2013-01-04 12:41:03 PM

RedPhoenix122: If I'm doing IT work and trying to repair a network, I'd rather have the netbook.


ASUS Transformer tablet + Bluetooth Serial adaptor FTW. So much easier when you're in a data center with no access to a standard power socket, no cables attaching you to the device.

For the occasions where I need a physical network connection into a device I carry a cheap ass wireless AP, plug AP into device, connect tablet over Wifi to AP, instant bridge to physical connection.
 
2013-01-04 12:46:20 PM

theflatline: ha-ha-guy: Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows

Really most netbooks ran xp and 7, nothing stripped down from them.  Shill much?


That's odd, because my Dell Netbook came with Windows 7 Starter on it, which is fairly sucky. The Windows XP ones of course have plenty of disadvantages due to the age of Windows XP. Drivers, you need to go download an update for the new encryption scheme of remote desktop, connecting to new networks shares, etc.
 
2013-01-04 12:46:49 PM

xkillyourfacex: whatever, netbooks are awesome, and now many of them are touch screen runnin win8, they're even better. I love my netbook it kicks ass and is 1/4 the price of your little ipad or whatever, with your $200 keyboard accessory that essentially you use to turn it into... a netbook.


Wow you got a touch screen netbook running windows 8 for $150? Do you have a link that sounds like a great deal.
 
2013-01-04 12:50:26 PM

ha-ha-guy: theflatline: ha-ha-guy: Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows

Really most netbooks ran xp and 7, nothing stripped down from them.  Shill much?

That's odd, because my Dell Netbook came with Windows 7 Starter on it, which is fairly sucky. The Windows XP ones of course have plenty of disadvantages due to the age of Windows XP. Drivers, you need to go download an update for the new encryption scheme of remote desktop, connecting to new networks shares, etc.


you made that choice, you could have chosen to pay a little more and get a better os.  Funny how that works...

And god forbid that you have to download drivers or updates for any os.

Apple still updates itunes for XP, but not older versions of OSX.

Not to mention the billions of users from large companies still running XP.

Did you buy your netbook as a work machine, or as something to have on hand?
 
2013-01-04 12:50:39 PM
Netbooks are awesome if you want to run an astronomy photography setup in the field. If windows 8 tablets have the ability to run my astronomy apps i'd switch to them:

MaximDL
PHDGuiding
Orion Telescopes cameras

System needs 3 USB ports or the support for a USB hub.
 
2013-01-04 12:57:47 PM

theflatline: Did you buy your netbook as a work machine, or as something to have on hand?


It came free with another item. As part of some promo awhile back. As for paying more for a better OS, I did.

I have no desire to argue that Windows XP is a superior OS option, given how well Windows 7 Pro functions on low end hardware with all its glitzy features turned off. If you want to run XP and have to pull down updates for features that modern OSes include in their basic install, go on and have fun.

/however the 32bit only Windows 7 Starter that a lot of netbooks shipped with, was a god awful OS
 
2013-01-04 01:03:01 PM

ha-ha-guy: I have no desire to argue that Windows XP is a superior OS option, given how well Windows 7 Pro functions on low end hardware with all its glitzy features turned off. If you want to run XP and have to pull down updates for features that modern OSes include in their basic install, go on and have fun.

/however the 32bit only Windows 7 Starter that a lot of netbooks shipped with, was a god awful OS


One interesting thing is that at least when it came to the Atom N455 processor (which many netbooks had), is actually a 64-bit proc. I was able to install Win 7 Pro, 64-bit without any problems or performance issues on my EEE . . . at least when it comes to the operating system speed.

/again, it was an upgraded 2 gig machine w/ SSD.
 
2013-01-04 01:05:05 PM
Windows 7 and 8 did more to ruin the netbook than Apple did.

The requirements for disk space, memory, and CPU increased to price them out of the market. The price for a netbook these days aren't that far off from larger laptops. And don't forget Android tablets.

/DNRTFA. Could be wrong.
 
2013-01-04 01:11:13 PM
Netbooks were terrible machines, a technological blight that threatened to become the future of computing. They had awful, nearly unusable keyboards, very slow processors, and they ran versions of Windows or Linux that were a trudge to use on tiny screens.

I bought my wife a first-gen Acer Atom netbook, and had neither of these issues. The keyboard was something I specifically tested out, and it was just a usable as a laptop, and the "version" of Windows it ran was XP, nothing special.

The processor, on the other hand WAS slow, but that isn't anything that a later generation couldn't fix, and the first gen machines had no way to upgrade RAM without disassembling the machine, although specs stated that it could handle 2 GB of RAM, and it only had 512 MB.

And the screen wasn't allt hat small. It would have been perfect for a movie, lugging around the office, etc... All in all, I would still own one(managed to kill the wife's), for portability...

Fark Apple, they didn't "do" anything, and these shiatheads are praising them for that? Jesus, can everybody stop[ slobbering on Jobs' dick yet? The guy is dead, and necrophilia is just gross at this point in decomposition...
 
2013-01-04 01:12:39 PM
The best netbook:
www.google.com
Because if you can't toss one in a wood chipper, boot-signin-sync another, and then have everything hunky dory it isn't exactly really "net" now is it?

/yeah i know netbook means something different. Very small form factor, stripped down local storage/media options, and wifi enabled. I just love the idea of wood chipping things.
 
2013-01-04 01:12:53 PM

ha-ha-guy: ha-ha-guy: Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows

Netbook*

/glares at tablet's autocorrect


Ahhhh, that was really confusing me. Makes much more sense now. BTW, my netbook ran Windows, not something "stripped down".
 
2013-01-04 01:14:14 PM
So the author didn't like netbooks because of small keyboards and limited OS's, but is lauding the macbook air (Which is pretty much just a slightly bigger and more expensive netbook) and tablets which have worse keyboards, and even more limited OS's, while costing more but weighing less? What am I missing?
 
2013-01-04 01:18:34 PM
My Netbook

Bought it, along with 2 gigs. I used this netbook for around 2 years or so while I was in school. Honestly, I can't remember the date when I bought it, but it's been a while. In that time span, I've used:

-Microsoft Office (word, excel, powerpoint)
-MATLAB
-Multisim
-AutoCAD
-Labview
-WoW (what? Some lectures get boring...)

Of course, it wasn't smooth. I didn't expect it to be. It still slogged through everything though. Sure, running computations would take a little longer. Also, Stormwind was a 4 fps slideshow. It was perfectly good enough to do dailies and whatnot though. Hell, I've ran 5 mans with it.
Due to it having USB ports, I could easily connect to it most any peripheral. I had a VGA and HDMI out so that I could connect to projectors and TVs without need of special adaptors.
It has a pretty decently sized HDD, so I've got my entire music collection with me wherever I take it.

The netbook has suffered through semesters of heavy abuse, and never shown any abuse. I can toss it into my bag all willy-nilly and not worry about scratching the working surface.

These are all reasons why I chose a netbook over a tablet. I'm a little sad to see them go, since I've found them to be incredibly useful. It was to be expected though with the saturation of garbage netbooks on the market and the uninformed consumer buying them for unintended purposes.
 
2013-01-04 01:24:28 PM

ha-ha-guy: Really my tablet plus bluetooth keyboard is a network, just with the option not to always have the keyboard out.

/and a better OS than some stripped down version of MS Windows


My netbook runs windows 7 ultimate ...
 
2013-01-04 01:28:29 PM

Esc7: The best netbook:
[www.google.com image 541x500]
Because if you can't toss one in a wood chipper, boot-signin-sync another, and then have everything hunky dory it isn't exactly really "net" now is it?

/yeah i know netbook means something different. Very small form factor, stripped down local storage/media options, and wifi enabled. I just love the idea of wood chipping things.


That is why prostitutes exist.
 
2013-01-04 01:33:01 PM
Funny thing is I just read an article yesterday blaming Microsoft for killing the netbook because the cost of the OS was $30-$50 for each machine which cut too heavily into the profits of the netbook.
 
2013-01-04 01:40:48 PM
It's more like that netbooks made sense on paper, but few people actually needed such a device.

Now do people really need tablets? Probably not as much as they think, but Apple made it work by making them functional for gaming, watching videos and reading books. Unlike a netbook, it complements your current laptop rather than feeling redundant.
 
2013-01-04 02:00:33 PM
Actually I'm pretty sure the "I'm sticking with my laptop with XP on it" crowd killed the netbook off.
 
2013-01-04 02:01:15 PM
Netbooks are awesome. I use mine with 32-bit Win7 Home. I run a bunch of programs that aren't x64 compatible, as well as DOSBox and other various emulators. I had an Acer AOA150 which turned out to be an awesome machine. Of course it got stolen from my girlfriend's house so she replaced it with a Dell Mini. Not long after, I replaced her.

Tablets, on the other hand, I find to be completely useless. I may break down and buy a smartphone someday soon, but that's it.
 
2013-01-04 02:06:28 PM
I have a netbook and it is amazing for work travel. I can load books or movies on it for the flight, I have MS Office on it, so I can just plug in a projector and run Power Point presentations, I can get email and surf the web, and if it gets stolen or broken in transit, it was $200, so no big deal.
 
2013-01-04 02:43:44 PM
So the 11 inch macbook doesn't qualify as a netbook why?
 
2013-01-04 02:50:05 PM
It was Microsoft, not Apple that killed them. Microsoft would not budge on the specs (Atom, 1-2GB RAM, 160GB HD, 1280x600 resolution). They were artificially not allowed to grow with time. XP Home was useable, 7 Starter was seriously hobbled.

Lenovo made some models just above specs and were supposed to be the way to go (X120). My XP Netbook is still one of my best machines, slow but still reliable. There are no good replacements out there to keep the same thing at the same price (Surface has 8 RT, no desktop, iPad is own ecosystem, Surface Pro is priced at laptop price).
 
2013-01-04 02:55:09 PM

t3knomanser: So, once again, Apple gets credit for something they didn't do? Cheap production quality and razor thin margins killed the netbook. At best, Apple was smart enough not to play the game. They were busy playing a nice game of chess.


Exactly, what killed netbooks is that laptops went from a few thousand dollars for a basic device to a top of the line laptop for a grand with work machines priced in the $400-$500 range, why buy a netbook for $200 when for another $200 or so you can get a full laptop? It ceased making sense to invest in them, now most of the ones we had are gathering dust in a server room
 
2013-01-04 03:12:40 PM
Whatever, my huge Desktop and my Huge Laptop is all I need.

/ Performance is more important than form.
 
2013-01-04 03:33:29 PM

mltain: So the 11 inch macbook doesn't qualify as a netbook why?


Price.
 
2013-01-04 03:35:34 PM

mltain: So the 11 inch macbook doesn't qualify as a netbook why?


Price and the Apple logo on the case.
 
2013-01-04 04:04:46 PM
Sony's Vaio Duo 11 looks really interesting seeing as it has computer guts in an active (rather than capacitive) touch screen.

Only thing that concerns me is, well, it's a Sony.
 
2013-01-04 04:51:32 PM
You can pry my Acer Aspire One NyetBUk from my cold dead hands, Apple.
 
2013-01-04 05:19:21 PM
I had a Hann 12" netbook (hands too big for 10") for the last few years, it did everything I wanted with win 7 pro (or premium?) and would still be using it as my main computer except for the hard drive crashing and me unable to afford a new hd. Oh, and my movies worked fine even streaming wireless through windows media center to xbox360 for playback.

Currently am using a Christmas present used IPad first gen and do not care for it. Not at all. Software crashes, lack of flash and other UI annoyances (why no arrow keys?!). Have old Bluetooth keyboard with it and it sucks as well. But beggars cant be choosers, so I am grateful to have it.
 
2013-01-05 03:12:46 AM

t3knomanser: So, once again, Apple gets credit for something they didn't do? Cheap production quality and razor thin margins killed the netbook. At best, Apple was smart enough not to play the game. They were busy playing a nice game of chess.


Or Apple realised that whilst Netbooks weren't a fad they'd be effectively killed off by the same companies hyping them.

The EEE PC 701 had an rrp of £200, it was 'good enough' not super well built the screen and speakers were naff but it actually delivered a £200 laptop that'd potter around the internet quite happily. More importantly if some dip shiat stole the damn thing you really didn't give a crap because a) it only cost £200 and that's well inside your insurance coverage b) it's lack of storage meant you didn't have your whole damn life on it.

But once these things hit the £300 mark (and a lot of netbooks are heading to £400)... why the hell would I buy something that has an Atom processor inside of it when I could (at the time) buy a Core Duo (now an i3) laptop from Dell for not a lot more and the Dell would have a bigger screen, more RAM, an optical drive, better speakers (just)...

Look at the Chromebook... £200ish and it's flying off the damn shelves. It's cheap & cheerful just like the early netbooks were and is selling exactly the same.
 
2013-01-05 03:29:01 AM

Vaneshi: Look at the Chromebook... £200ish and it's flying off the damn shelves. It's cheap & cheerful just like the early netbooks were and is selling exactly the same.


???

ZDNet - Poor sales of Chromebooks won't stop Google from promoting Chrome OS

Facing Slow Chromebook Sales, Google Gets Creative

By January 2012, commercial sales for Chromebooks were flat, with the exception of the education market.

Sounds like the Chromebook is about as popular as GoogleTV, or Google+
weknowmemes.com.
 
2013-01-05 04:28:45 AM

MrSteve007: Nice try


The Chromebook (I believe the Samsung ARM based unit) was Amazon's top selling laptop over the Christmas period, beating the MBP/MBA, all Windows 8 machines and a Windows 7 unit. Feel free to visit Amazon and check for yourself.

So... yeah. Smells like bullshiat, has the consistency of bullshiat and considering the cow in the field I do believe it is in fact bullshiat.

But nice try, it just isn't so though.
 
2013-01-05 03:09:10 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: mltain: So the 11 inch macbook doesn't qualify as a netbook why?

Price and the Apple logo on the case.


You said price twice.
 
2013-01-06 04:45:47 PM
Netbooks are good for people who like netbooks, and tablets are good for people who like tablets. Some people will like and therefore own both. Others don't like either and will instead have smartphones, desktops or ordinary laptops. And all of this is okay.

Technology is a lot like shoes. Why argue with the other women in the shoe store about which shoes are the best shoes, when you could be using that time to enjoy the shoes you have now or even to buy more shoes? It doesn't matter whose shoes win the great shoe-quality pissing contest, so long as everyone wearing shoes is happy with their own personal pair.

(and yes, you are all behaving like women in a shoe store. seriously. I expect to see a strappy-sandal catfight any damn minute.)
 
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