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2013-01-04 09:44:41 AM
The owners really, really, REALLY want us to hate them, don't they?
 
2013-01-04 10:06:53 AM
As fantastic as the playoffs are, and even though expanding the playoffs might help my team actually reach them every once in a while, I think it's a bad idea.

And I've made this point before and I'll make it again: Even though the Kings won the Cup as an 8 seed, they were a very different team at the end of the year than they were at the beginning. You're not going to see *that* much of a change too often, so I don't think it's a good justification for letting more teams in.
 
2013-01-04 10:32:07 AM
The playoffs are the only time the NHL gets attention/actual airings on cable channels. Might as well make the entire season the playoffs
 
2013-01-04 11:12:19 AM
Stupid, stupid, stupid.

/F*ck you Bergman
 
2013-01-04 11:15:11 AM
"There are 47 percent of the teams who will never make it to the finals no matter what ... who are dependent upon the league, who believe that they are victims. ... These are teams who pay nothing to their players. ... and so my job is not to worry about those teams. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their fans."
 
2013-01-04 11:15:30 AM
If it applies just to this season (if it happens) it wouldn't be that bad of an idea. But permanently increasing the playoffs isn't something I'd look forward to.
 
2013-01-04 11:19:07 AM
No league should have more than 40% of the teams qualify for the postseason. Anything more than that cheapens the regular season to the point of indifference from a huge portion of a possible fan base.

The NFL's 12 of 32 making the playoffs is pretty much perfect IMHO.
 
2013-01-04 11:19:33 AM
Tick tock.
Drop-dead date is a week from today.
Negotiations that showed promise earlier this week have fallen apparent.
The sides are meeting independently with a mediator.. again.. today, but not face-to-face.
Fehr chose to let the 'nuclear option' of filing a disclaimer of interest to lapse, but the players are set to vote to re-authorize.
 
2013-01-04 11:19:38 AM
Kind of strange that they don't mention that the NHL used to have 16/21 teams make the playoffs before expansion in 1992

In fact the NHL always had an absurdly high % of teams make playoffs, I can't find a single season where it was less than 50%, when it was a 6 team league, 4 made the playoffs. WHen it was expanded to 12 teams, 8 made the playoffs. I believe when they expanded to 16 teams, 12 made the playoffs.

I'm not saying it's better, but this is closer to the way the NHL has always been.
 
2013-01-04 11:20:13 AM
Who gives a fark...hopefully hockey never comes back.

I live in Toronto and I cannot farking tolerate Leafs fans.
 
2013-01-04 11:21:06 AM

JohnHall: Kind of strange that they don't mention that the NHL used to have 16/21 teams make the playoffs before expansion in 1992


Smart and true.
 
2013-01-04 11:23:42 AM

FriarReb98: The owners really, really, REALLY want us to hate them, don't they?


i just don't think they care.  in any sport.  they just...don't...care.
 
2013-01-04 11:26:24 AM

JohnHall: Kind of strange that they don't mention that the NHL used to have 16/21 teams make the playoffs before expansion in 1992


That's because everything Bettman does is wrong, yet no one followed the league until he became commissioner. The league could do anything short of fold and he'd still probably be the best commissioner the NHL has ever had.
 
2013-01-04 11:27:03 AM
BTW, if you haven't gotten over the NBA having 16 teams of 30 making the playoffs, you'd better not be an NHL fan.
 
2013-01-04 11:29:24 AM

IAmRight: The league could do anything short of fold and he'd still probably be the best commissioner the NHL has ever had.


I've never heard that about him up here in Canada...they hate him up here man.

You guys know he just copies everything the NBA does right? And that he was their second choice, supposedly first choice was Adam Silver, the new commish over at the NBA after stern leaves.
 
2013-01-04 11:29:33 AM

IAmRight: That's because everything Bettman does is wrong, yet no one followed the league until he became commissioner.


Gary Bettman didn't invent cable television.
 
2013-01-04 11:38:50 AM

Red_Fox: You guys know he just copies everything the NBA does right?


Considering that the NBA is pretty damn successful, that's not a bad idea.

Yanks_RSJ: Gary Bettman didn't invent cable television.


Cable TV had been around for at least a decade prior.
 
2013-01-04 11:39:53 AM
BTW, here's something that shows why the NHL doesn't give a damn about not having seasons:

On October 5, 2005, the Boobies-lockout NHL season took to the ice with 15 games, and consequently all 30 teams. Of those 15 games, 11 were in front of sell-out crowds.[50] The NHL received record attendance in the 2005-06 season.

Hockey fans are desperate and will come back no matter what. They all said they'd never come back after the first lockout, too.
 
2013-01-04 11:43:01 AM

IAmRight: On October 5, 2005, the Boobies-lockout NHL season


Bahahahahahaha
 
2013-01-04 11:47:43 AM
The playoffs should be contracted, not expanded. Only contenders, not pretenders, belong in the post-season.
 
2013-01-04 11:47:47 AM
Apparently, assmitter doesn't realize 53% of NHL teams make the playoffs, too.
 
2013-01-04 11:47:47 AM

Wadded Beef: No league should have more than 40% of the teams qualify for the postseason. Anything more than that cheapens the regular season to the point of indifference from a huge portion of a possible fan base.

The NFL's 12 of 32 making the playoffs is pretty much perfect IMHO.


I figure it's better to go in the opposite direction. In English soccer, you have every team IN EVERY LEAGUE AT EVERY LEVEL make it into their playoffs. Last season, that was 763 teams. Obviously, the highest level of teams get huge amounts of byes but it would be like MLB having a tournament with all of the AAA, AA, A and semi-pro teams in the country to determine who got to play in the World Series.

Which would be better than watching a stupid inter-league series between two crappy teams no one cares about.
 
2013-01-04 11:48:37 AM
There is a reason I really dont pay attention to the first to rounds of the NCAA basketball tourney too friggin boring. Im still amazed baseball hasent expanded the playoffs. I do like how they work though.
 
2013-01-04 11:48:43 AM

SnarfVader: "There are 47 percent of the teams who will never make it to the finals no matter what ... who are dependent upon the league, who believe that they are victims. ... These are teams who pay nothing to their players. ... and so my job is not to worry about those teams. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their fans."


Came for this. +1
 
2013-01-04 11:50:08 AM

groppet: There is a reason I really dont pay attention to the first to rounds of the NCAA basketball tourney too friggin boring. Im still amazed baseball hasent expanded the playoffs. I do like how they work though.


They did expand last year. Added a play-in game to both leagues.
 
2013-01-04 11:54:57 AM

IAmRight: The league could do anything short of fold and he'd still probably be the best commissioner the NHL has ever had.


He's the only commissioner the NHL has ever had. The position of league commissioner was created in 1993 and Bettman is the first person to hold the office.

Prior to the creation of the office of the commissioner, the NHL's top executive was the league President. Gil Stein was the last to hold that position.
 
2013-01-04 11:55:48 AM

meanmutton: I figure it's better to go in the opposite direction. In English soccer, you have every team IN EVERY LEAGUE AT EVERY LEVEL make it into their playoffs. Last season, that was 763 teams. Obviously, the highest level of teams get huge amounts of byes but it would be like MLB having a tournament with all of the AAA, AA, A and semi-pro teams in the country to determine who got to play in the World Series.


Their "regular season championship" means a lot more than ours, though.

I like the NFL system as well since we're probably not going to collectively change our opinion on regular season champions.  The bye is a big bonus for regular season excellence, the wild card can keep the second or third best team from watching the playoffs on TV just because of bad luck in divisions, and average or below teams don't make the playoffs all too often.
 
2013-01-04 11:56:58 AM

meanmutton: Wadded Beef: No league should have more than 40% of the teams qualify for the postseason. Anything more than that cheapens the regular season to the point of indifference from a huge portion of a possible fan base.

The NFL's 12 of 32 making the playoffs is pretty much perfect IMHO.

I figure it's better to go in the opposite direction. In English soccer, you have every team IN EVERY LEAGUE AT EVERY LEVEL make it into their playoffs. Last season, that was 763 teams. Obviously, the highest level of teams get huge amounts of byes but it would be like MLB having a tournament with all of the AAA, AA, A and semi-pro teams in the country to determine who got to play in the World Series.

Which would be better than watching a stupid inter-league series between two crappy teams no one cares about.


No, you are incorrect. In English soccer there are no playoffs in the the top league, everyone plays everyone else home and away and the team with most points wins the tournament. There are playoffs in the lower divisions to see who gets the final promotion spot, but it has nothing to do with titles.

What you are talking about is the FA Cup which is a side tournament that teams compete in, but has nothing to do with the "regular season". There are the European Championships (Champions League) which is more like a playoffs-large for teams in all of Europe that finish as champs or near the top in their respective country's league.
 
2013-01-04 11:58:08 AM
It should be league, not tournament in that first sentence.
 
2013-01-04 11:58:35 AM
As for the topic:

I'm a fan of a team that has finished 9th in the conference and missed the playoffs by a couple points twice in the last five years. And I still think this is a terrible idea.

16 teams out of 30 is plenty. If you can't finish in the top half of the league, you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
 
2013-01-04 11:59:35 AM

meanmutton: I figure it's better to go in the opposite direction. In English soccer, you have every team IN EVERY LEAGUE AT EVERY LEVEL make it into their playoffs. Last season, that was 763 teams. Obviously, the highest level of teams get huge amounts of byes but it would be like MLB having a tournament with all of the AAA, AA, A and semi-pro teams in the country to determine who got to play in the World Series.


That's misleading, and furthermore the FA cup is becoming less relevant over the years. It would be cool if there would be a setup like for a separate domestic tournament, but the sports setup in Europe is completely different (no real college sports system, lesser teams are not part of bigger team system, and so forth).
 
2013-01-04 12:03:19 PM
If they add more teams they might as well just let everyone in the playoffs. Then they could call the regular season the "practice" the end of year tournament. It's a joke no matter what, this would just acknowledge the joke publicly.
 
2013-01-04 12:06:50 PM
So... Can anymore explain what happens if the players dissolve the union?
 
2013-01-04 12:09:40 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: So... Can anymore explain what happens if the players dissolve the union?


Or anyone rather...
 
2013-01-04 12:14:12 PM

SnarfVader: "There are 47 percent of the teams who will never make it to the finals no matter what ... who are dependent upon the league, who believe that they are victims. ... These are teams who pay nothing to their players. ... and so my job is not to worry about those teams. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their fans."


Thank you.
 
2013-01-04 12:18:27 PM
Simmons has an idea for NBA playoffs I've always sort of liked - Top 7 teams in each conference make the playoffs and get an extra few days of rest. Next 4 [8 (however many)] teams have a single elimination playoff to get in. Sure, it screws the eighth seed out of their spot, but it rewards teams who have been hot at the end of the season, gives the better teams some rest, and it'd be exciting as heck. It was an NBA idea, but would work for NHL as well.

All for it.
 
2013-01-04 12:20:23 PM
A hockey thread attempting to mock the NBA? At least the NBA plays games, guys.
 
2013-01-04 12:36:20 PM
As for the thread title: If you haven't gotten over the absurdity of 53% of NBA teams making the playoffs, well.... I don't konw what to tell you, I couldn't find a season where they had less than 53% of teams make the playoffs going back to the 1949-50 season. I did find a few seasons where it was 12/22 make the playoffs, and 10/18. In other words, it's taken you more than 60 years to get over an absurdity that always existed.
 
2013-01-04 12:37:00 PM

uncoveror: The playoffs should be contracted, not expanded. Only contenders, not pretenders, belong in the post-season.


As much as it pains me to say this, the LA Kings would like to have a word with you.
 
2013-01-04 12:40:22 PM

IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: Gary Bettman didn't invent cable television.

Cable TV had been around for at least a decade prior.


You're aware that in 1990 only about 53 million households had cable, right? That number grew significantly during the 90s.

ESPN's coverage of the NHL existed in the 80s, then again in 1992, before Bettman became commissioner. The league's popularity climaxed during the 1994 playoffs when the Rangers ended the 54-year drought. Game 7 was the highest rated hockey game ever shown on cable, and was followed immediately by the FIRST Bettman lockout.
 
2013-01-04 12:41:08 PM
Adding a round to the playoffs? So the Sharks can get bounced even earlier?
 
2013-01-04 12:41:12 PM

MrMaxwell: A hockey thread attempting to mock the NBA? At least the NBA plays games, guys.


True, but in fairness staring at a blank tv screen wishing that hockey was on is still better than watching an NBA game.
 
2013-01-04 12:52:11 PM
I just don't understand how slowing a down by holding thier jersey is not a penalty everytime? How hitting a player in the shines with thier stick is not a penalty every time?
 
2013-01-04 01:10:10 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: MrMaxwell: A hockey thread attempting to mock the NBA? At least the NBA plays games, guys.

True, but in fairness staring at a blank tv screen wishing that hockey was on is still better than watching an NBA game.


Watching a Honey Boo Boo marathon is better than watching a NBA game.
 
2013-01-04 01:12:10 PM

meanmutton: groppet: There is a reason I really dont pay attention to the first to rounds of the NCAA basketball tourney too friggin boring. Im still amazed baseball hasent expanded the playoffs. I do like how they work though.

They did expand last year. Added a play-in game to both leagues.


Ahh see I knew they were a little longer than normal, but I really havent paid much attention to baseball in years. MLB playoffs still seem quick and to the point though. Not dragging on for months like NHL/NBA.
 
2013-01-04 01:19:09 PM

groppet: meanmutton: groppet: There is a reason I really dont pay attention to the first to rounds of the NCAA basketball tourney too friggin boring. Im still amazed baseball hasent expanded the playoffs. I do like how they work though.

They did expand last year. Added a play-in game to both leagues.

Ahh see I knew they were a little longer than normal, but I really havent paid much attention to baseball in years. MLB playoffs still seem quick and to the point though. Not dragging on for months like NHL/NBA.


Yep. Although with playoff expansion the MLB needs to end its regular season sooner. The World Series should not conclude around November with every player wearing their winter coats.

/Not to mention baseball is waaaaayyy in the rear-view mirror when the NFL preseason starts.
 
2013-01-04 01:25:02 PM

meanmutton: I figure it's better to go in the opposite direction. In English soccer, you have every team IN EVERY LEAGUE AT EVERY LEVEL make it into their playoffs.


Actually, it's a really good idea to do this.

Then you can honestly just have the regular season trophy be nearly as important as, if not moreso than, the postseason tournament trophy, which is as it should be. (Not talking about the NHL, where they already have the trophies and the SC is probably always going to be the ideal, but in leagues in general).

Doc Daneeka: He's the only commissioner the NHL has ever had. The position of league commissioner was created in 1993 and Bettman is the first person to hold the office.

Prior to the creation of the office of the commissioner, the NHL's top executive was the league President. Gil Stein was the last to hold that position.


Fair enough - let's call it "head of the league" and let's point out that the NHL's other leaders have all been even worse.

Yanks_RSJ: The league's popularity climaxed during the 1994 playoffs when the Rangers ended the 54-year drought. Game 7 was the highest rated hockey game ever shown on cable, and was followed immediately by the FIRST Bettman lockout.


It's kind of laughable that the NHL ever didn't have a salary cap, given how limited their funds were/are. And let's not pretend that the Stanley Cup ratings were due to anything but a New York-centric media focusing on the local team that hadn't won anything in forever and spending all their time hyping it, not to mention going to a Game 7, which always helps ratings. Had it been Vancouver-AnyoneElseInTheEast, no one would have given a sh*t.

Bettman turned what was a $5 million/year contract with cable companies into a $200 million/year contract despite two (at the time) lockouts. And one was even despite falling ratings.

Bettman basically does a hell of a job with what he's told to do by the owners. The problem is that the owners are beyond greedy.
 
2013-01-04 01:27:32 PM

groppet: There is a reason I really dont pay attention to the first to rounds of the NCAA basketball tourney too friggin boring.


Interesting, since I find that the only weekend of NCAA hoops worth watching.

/since usually my brackets are shot by the end of it
 
2013-01-04 01:35:10 PM

FriarReb98: The owners really, really, REALLY want us to hate them, don't they?


no they just want your money and know that folks are stupid enough to think playoffs are all that matter. fark the regular season. let's just go straight to bracket play seeded by random draw.
 
2013-01-04 01:48:51 PM
The more teams that make your playoff the less the general public cares about your regular season. See also: March Madness.

meanmutton: I figure it's better to go in the opposite direction. In English soccer, you have every team IN EVERY LEAGUE AT EVERY LEVEL make it into their playoffs. Last season, that was 763 teams. Obviously, the highest level of teams get huge amounts of byes but it would be like MLB having a tournament with all of the AAA, AA, A and semi-pro teams in the country to determine who got to play in the World Series.

This is wildly incorrect.
 
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