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(The Atlantic)   Female Second Life avatars show twice as much skin as male avatars. It's almost as if they were controlled by men pretending to be women   (theatlantic.com) divider line 39
    More: Obvious, Second Life, virtual actor, sex differences, sexual attractiveness, male avatars, males  
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2013-01-04 08:53:14 AM  
7 votes:
To be fair, they could be controlled by women pretending to be thin.
2013-01-04 11:16:13 AM  
5 votes:

doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.


For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".
2013-01-04 12:20:37 PM  
3 votes:
And real life is the opposite?

I'm always baffled by these faux "social justice" types trying to outline what's wrong with the sexist digital world, but it's just reflecting attitudes already existing in real life...

Look at any red carpet: All men go in suits. All women go in skimpy dresses, some showing more than what you can imagine.
2013-01-04 11:19:25 AM  
3 votes:
Wouldn't it be a lot more worthwhile to study the skin-coverage of actual people? Then you could analyze how skin coverage relates to age, weight, attractiveness, culture, race, etc. I really don't see the point of studying avatars, especially when you don't know anything about the real people behind them.
2013-01-04 11:11:18 AM  
3 votes:
i10.photobucket.com
Hmm. This might start a trend.
2013-01-04 11:01:49 AM  
3 votes:
This isn't news. What IS news, at least to me, is that people still play Second Life.
2013-01-04 10:50:04 AM  
3 votes:
Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.
2013-01-04 09:27:34 AM  
3 votes:
Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."
2013-01-04 08:17:19 PM  
2 votes:

miss diminutive: You have to be somewhat off in the head to be willing to trade in your real life (however crappy it may be) for substitute in a fantasy world.


I respectfully disagree. I spent most of a year in SL, back after my disabling accident. A sizeable fraction of the people I met there were also disabled or otherwise house-bound for some reason.

When a person hasn't even left their bed in years (and I met several meeting that description), he/she doesn't have to be "off in the head" to want to socialize with other people. You're just young and healthy enough you didn't think about that.

And who said you have to "trade in" your first life for SL? It's an activity I did to kill time when I wasn't up to reading and was sick of TV. Sure there are addicts who go nuts. Human beings are so flexible that everything is addictive to someone. But the people I knew there who had jobs usually weren't online more than an hour or two a night. Hardly "trading in" their first life. How much time a day do you spend on Fark, after all?

Disclaimer: Please note that nowhere in this post did I imply there isn't something "off in my own head". :)
2013-01-04 12:40:09 PM  
2 votes:

Crotchrocket Slim: Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."

... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).


Why is the presence of non-human, fur covered avatars a problem? In my experience, if you are interested in kinky furry shenanigans you have to seek out areas that are dedicated to that.
2013-01-04 11:35:23 AM  
2 votes:
maybe this is just something that is true in the various areas I've visited and/or lived in (Austin, Houston, Dallas, Ithaca NY, NYC, all over San Diego, LA, Portland...well, maybe not Portland) but don't females in "real life" show twice as much skin as men too? So why would that mean it is a dude playing a girl?

That said, I took a video art class last semester, and the hottest girl in that class - a gorgeous surfer-girl with a perfect tan, perfect cans, gorgeous legs...anyway, I showed up in the computer lab to do some work, found her there...playing second life. I didn't even know until that point that the game still existed. Yet there she was, unashamedly playing it. Guess the moral is, don't assume that just because the avatar is a weird furry, female, whatever thing (her "avatar" was human, but with a tail) that it's a filthy 400lbs dude stuffing cheetos into his mouth. It may be a gorgeous girl that isn't a furry in real life, is smart and highly social, but that just likes having an avatar with a tail.
2013-01-04 11:19:06 AM  
2 votes:
unrealitymag.com
2013-01-04 10:53:03 AM  
2 votes:

meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.


New Year's Eve & St.Patricks's Day are for amateurs & frat boys that puke on their girlfriends shoes then wreck daddy's car.
2013-01-04 10:37:03 AM  
2 votes:
Well if I had a body like that I'd show off twice as much skin.
2013-01-04 09:26:53 AM  
2 votes:
The picture they chose to illustrate this article seems to prove the opposite point.
2013-01-04 05:32:05 PM  
1 votes:

gerrymander: cards fan by association: stevetherobot: cards fan by association:

The emboldened part is where you went off the rails. There's a difference between 'identify as' and 'identify with'. Game avatars are puppets. Calling my character by name in a chat channel is no different than calling me 'Kermit' when my hand is inside a styled lump of green felt. The fact that I answer to the avatar name does not make me identify as female any more than responding to a kid in a goofy voice makes be identify as a frog.

Doubtless there are people who can't, don't, or won't make the distinction between real life and game avatar image. But there are those of us who will, can, and do.

I think I understand where you are going with this and see it the same way. I've played RPG all my life. I've played cyborgs, elves, dwarfs, all kinds of things. Children and adults, male and female of both. All of these characters where personifications that I created for the character.

My second life characters are the same. I have female and male characters and I view them exactly the same way I would any other character I created for anything else. They are characters in a game world. Extensions of my self but not myself.

I rank SL on the same level as I would any other distraction too. If I wasn't in SL then I would be doing something else, like watching TV or maybe Eve online. That is pretty much what I've done anyway. I replaced time that I would be spending watching tv with doing things in SL. Never did the virtual sex thing though. Never seen the point in it.

But I will admit to falling victim to the shaping my female avatars ass to be as pretty to look at as possible. I didn't think of it when I was doing the way it was put, since I'm going to be spending time watching this ass on screen might as well make it attractive. But that is just what I did, and for that reason. I just didn't think about it till it was pointed out to me just now.
2013-01-04 04:20:52 PM  
1 votes:
I play a little furry critter on Second Life, so I'm getting a real kick out of these replies...

Actually, playing a "tiny", as the little critter avatars on SL are called, is very interesting from the gender dynamics perspective. Most tiny avatars are unisex, so from looks alone, you can't tell a boy tiny from a girl tiny except by what clothes and accessories they've added to the base critter model. You wouldn't believe the number of times in SL that folks have started conversations with me by asking, "are you a boy or a girl?"

Interestingly, I get that question much more often from male characters than from female ones. I have a theory that women are much more adept at figuring out whether someone is "gender-bending" than men are.
2013-01-04 02:37:28 PM  
1 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com

Go ahead, take the body covering costume. It's yours!
2013-01-04 01:45:04 PM  
1 votes:

gerrymander:

Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.


Pretty much this.

I am a female gamer who usually plays male toons, but most of my online friends know by this point. But even if I go among strangers and I happen to throw out my gender, I've been gaming for years now and I've never run into any problems.

I guess it's a different mindset among certain women. My gaming group has a fair number of women but we're not the type to be sisterly or talk girl things or flirt. We're -gamers-. We talk shop, we crunch numbers, and hell, my group even roleplays. And nobody thinks anything of it.

You reap what you sow. Plain and simple.
2013-01-04 01:25:16 PM  
1 votes:

Bullseyed: meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.

Came essentially for this.

In real life women show about twice as much skin as men.

Let's make male cleavage shirts a thing. Someone start selling them.


weknowmemes.com
2013-01-04 12:47:29 PM  
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: meanmutton: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

Yeppers

I did that once in an MMO and got tired of all the "guy crap" that guys do to/around/say to female chars in those games. Afterwards, the only fem toons I played were intentionally designed to be as ugly as the creator allowed for, and gave them unashamedly "guy-ish" names


I play female characters in some MMOs for the viewing pleasure (as per VonEvilstein). I even give them girl names -- and yet, I have never had any of the trouble women seem to have.

Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.
2013-01-04 12:42:50 PM  
1 votes:

cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.


I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.
2013-01-04 12:36:57 PM  
1 votes:
i0.wp.com
2013-01-04 12:24:07 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone that goes out to any kind of dance hall, from hip hop to honkey-tonk, knows that this isn't limited to online games.
2013-01-04 12:17:34 PM  
1 votes:

VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".


If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.
2013-01-04 12:03:15 PM  
1 votes:
Welcome to Second Life, where the women are men, the animals are men, the men are boys and the children are FBI agents.
2013-01-04 11:52:30 AM  
1 votes:

meanmutton: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

Yeppers


I did that once in an MMO and got tired of all the "guy crap" that guys do to/around/say to female chars in those games. Afterwards, the only fem toons I played were intentionally designed to be as ugly as the creator allowed for, and gave them unashamedly "guy-ish" names

/pig faced ugly dwarf female named "Hotdump"
//fem orc named "Farteater"
///everyone assumed I was a dude, funny how that works
2013-01-04 11:52:27 AM  
1 votes:

rev. dave: What kind of people actually play this game. It is no fun if there is no PvP.


Baically the same people that used to get together in  a basement and play D&D.  Wifey does a lot of SL and honestly the attraction seems oto be that you can essentially buy a "sim" decorate it the way you want and tun an impromtu RPG on damn near any theme you like.  Yes many of them end up being sex-themed but that's human nature innit?  How much of the internet's bandwidth is used for porn delivery?

Personally I object less to the time she spends on Sl than the time she used to use playing WOW  because at least there is some creativity required to play in SL rather than skinner-box style repetition and button-mashing
2013-01-04 11:48:34 AM  
1 votes:
What's amusing to me is that everyone posting so far keeps referring to "playing" Second Life, which no Second Lifer would ever say. "It's not a game, asshat it's a second life!"
2013-01-04 11:45:59 AM  
1 votes:

HailRobonia: [unrealitymag.com image 652x435]


Underrated flick.
2013-01-04 11:28:26 AM  
1 votes:
I remember reading a site full of stories and testimonials from wives and husbands who had lost their spouses to Second Life. These people spent almost all their waking hours in the game until they lost their jobs or their relationships, or both.

You have to be somewhat off in the head to be willing to trade in your real life (however crappy it may be) for substitute in a fantasy world.

/a fantasy world populated by furries, apparently
2013-01-04 11:22:14 AM  
1 votes:

Majin_Buu: Carn: At least they're not furries.

Furries don't wear clothes. And hippies don't eat bacon.


And that's why they're not to be trusted. The hippies I mean.
2013-01-04 11:12:25 AM  
1 votes:
We also would have accepted "attention whores with Amazon Wish Lists".
2013-01-04 11:12:20 AM  
1 votes:
My gf plays second life. From watching her play that has to be the stupidest game ever. Oh i can watch people /dance all day...
2013-01-04 11:10:22 AM  
1 votes:
What kind of people actually play this game. It is no fun if there is no PvP.
2013-01-04 11:03:00 AM  
1 votes:
Second Life wasn't relevant ten years ago, and it sure as hell isn't relevant now. How much money is somebody paying for their recent advertorials?
2013-01-04 11:02:13 AM  
1 votes:

LincolnLogolas: This isn't news. What IS news, at least to me, is that people still play Second Life.


Came here to say the exact same thing.
2013-01-04 10:56:40 AM  
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."


This literally made me laugh.
2013-01-04 10:29:54 AM  
1 votes:
The male avatars make up for it by building penises everywhere.
 
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