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(The Atlantic)   Female Second Life avatars show twice as much skin as male avatars. It's almost as if they were controlled by men pretending to be women   (theatlantic.com) divider line 124
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2013-01-04 05:54:23 PM  

fireclown: [24.media.tumblr.com image 320x480]

Go ahead, take the body covering costume. It's yours!

 
2013-01-04 08:17:19 PM  

miss diminutive: You have to be somewhat off in the head to be willing to trade in your real life (however crappy it may be) for substitute in a fantasy world.


I respectfully disagree. I spent most of a year in SL, back after my disabling accident. A sizeable fraction of the people I met there were also disabled or otherwise house-bound for some reason.

When a person hasn't even left their bed in years (and I met several meeting that description), he/she doesn't have to be "off in the head" to want to socialize with other people. You're just young and healthy enough you didn't think about that.

And who said you have to "trade in" your first life for SL? It's an activity I did to kill time when I wasn't up to reading and was sick of TV. Sure there are addicts who go nuts. Human beings are so flexible that everything is addictive to someone. But the people I knew there who had jobs usually weren't online more than an hour or two a night. Hardly "trading in" their first life. How much time a day do you spend on Fark, after all?

Disclaimer: Please note that nowhere in this post did I imply there isn't something "off in my own head". :)
 
2013-01-04 08:20:46 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Welcome to Second Life, where the women are men, the animals are men, the men are boys and the children are FBI agents.


LOL, I never heard that one before. Thanks!
 
2013-01-04 10:02:33 PM  

gerrymander: grinding_journalist: meanmutton: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

Yeppers

I did that once in an MMO and got tired of all the "guy crap" that guys do to/around/say to female chars in those games. Afterwards, the only fem toons I played were intentionally designed to be as ugly as the creator allowed for, and gave them unashamedly "guy-ish" names

I play female characters in some MMOs for the viewing pleasure (as per VonEvilstein). I even give them girl names -- and yet, I have never had any of the trouble women seem to have.

Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.


This a thousand times! "Oh i hate when guys just dont leave me alone!" 5 minutes later..."Oh hey :) how are you! ^^ yeah sure i'll give you a port to stormwind lol, 1 se kay? >.
 
2013-01-04 11:01:04 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: The male avatars make up for it by building penises everywhere.


Or by maintaining an avatar with a body:penis ratio that would make a barnacle go "Damn, dude, tone it the fark down!"
 
2013-01-04 11:03:54 PM  
The Atlantic: Trolling public spaces, they collected 404 images of male and female avatars and scored them based on how much of their skin was exposed.

cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-01-04 11:04:04 PM  

shokokuphoenix: I have been playing since 2006 (anything from tanking 25 man BC raids to melee DPSing Wrath raids to healing Cata raids), and I usually do not get crap from anyone for my gender, unless its some clearly very socially stunted guy (or creepy young teenage boy practicing his 'moves') who wanders up on some half-leveled toon and tries asking one of my female toons out on a 'date' while I am busy milling herbs or disenchanting things in town. I talk in Ventrilo/Mumble amongst my own guild mates and to different guilds - some of which are all males - and I do not get harrassed/hit on/weird-vibed. We joke, we make crude comments, we get mad, and we cheer our victories with happy curses. We have fun!

Anyways, the secret I've found to enjoying MMO-life and being female is to learn to play your damned class, role and spec. Bring your food and flasks, and then shut up and get to work. I wouldn't want to carry a poor performing guy, why the hell should I ask guys to carry my underperforming butt? :D


Yeah. I've never played a female toon but I've been in plenty of parties with them and never once have I seen any harassment. Obviously it's possible things happen with private tells that I don't see but I've never seen any in-group reaction to such.
 
2013-01-04 11:05:58 PM  

LincolnLogolas: This isn't news. What IS news, at least to me, is that people still play Second Life.


More popular than ever given how many people are logged in at any time, compare to 2007-ish when media hype was at a maximum.
 
2013-01-04 11:07:01 PM  

Kittahinaborx: Last time I checked (a few years ago, haven't been back) Second Life was over run by furies. It amazes me that their are people on there that still pretend to be human.


Not any moreso than in real life, it's just more obvious when you can see it outright.
 
2013-01-04 11:08:02 PM  

EyeForgot: My gf plays second life. From watching her play that has to be the stupidest game ever. Oh i can watch people /dance all day...


Well, maybe if you're approaching it from the idea that it's a game (it's not) rather than a virtual reality (it is), sure. It's as exciting as the person using it is. Sorry your GF is a bore.
 
2013-01-04 11:21:32 PM  

Majin_Buu: Carn: At least they're not furries.

Furries don't wear clothes. And hippies don't eat bacon.


www.foxnews.com
Only you seem to be wrong on the clothes thing.
 
2013-01-04 11:35:30 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."

... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).


Stay off private islands and the entire continent of Zindra and SL is pretty clean. Even the furries. Heck, the town of Lusk is PG-13 at worst (entirely language), and the western edge of that isn't even 200 meters from the oldest an busiest welcome area (Ahern), and about half a kilometer from one of the largest cities (Nova Albion). Unless you're using draw distances higher than 128m (which tends to be impractical for anything but photography), stick to the mainland an stay about a quarter kilometer back from the main sandboxes, infohubs and welcome areas (troll magnets), and SL is SFW (if you have the kind of job that gives you a decent GPU, preferably a non-Windows OS, lots of bandwith and no workload).
 
2013-01-04 11:37:00 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: stevetherobot: Crotchrocket Slim: Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."

... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).

Why is the presence of non-human, fur covered avatars a problem? In my experience, if you are interested in kinky furry shenanigans you have to seek out areas that are dedicated to that.

I'd say it's offputting to a lot of people who aren't into that sort of thing, even if the only yiffing going on was in designated zones.

I guess my issue with SL is how prevalent furries and Gorians were that it seemed like if you were a relatively "vanilla" person you had no place there.


Want to know how I know you've never logged in and looked around?
 
2013-01-04 11:47:15 PM  

Beowoolfie: Baloo Uriza: Welcome to Second Life, where the women are men, the animals are men, the men are boys and the children are FBI agents.

LOL, I never heard that one before. Thanks!


There's a gesture of me saying that on voice floating around. It's a rare one, it's possible Bebb largely took that one to the grave with him when he left SL for unknown reasons (dead?). He recorded it 'round the same era as when I connected, he saw me and the first thing he said was "I was walking in the woods one day and I was sexually molested by a man in a bear suit. God damn do I hate furries." It's funnier if you know that Bebb speaks in a baritone British accent rarely heard outside CSPAN's coverage of the House of Lords. Still not clear to anyone (that I'm aware of) who was there for that incident in Ahern on whether or not he was serious or being intentionally funny.

Anyrate, he didn't even give me a copy of that gesture, and it was a recording of my voice... said it in response to what I saw after reading the front page of the (now defunct) Second Life edition of Reuters News...
 
2013-01-05 02:56:23 AM  

buttery_shame_cave: VonEvilstein:
For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

which is really effing sad.

/yes, i have a couple female characters in games. usually because i think the male model for whatever race in question is fecking fugly, or it just doesn't fit the idea of the character.
//unlike most male players with female characters, mine are, universally, nearly 100% covered if i can get away with it. some of them in the digital equivalent of bhurkas, if possible.


The fact that I prefer looking at a posterior I find attractive is sad? I'd better not mention that I like looking at boobies, too, then.

Er, ooops.
 
2013-01-05 03:01:05 AM  
I've been on SL for 2 years now.

Theres a lot of dirty old men, a lot of pedos, "women" into having sex with dogs and horses. (not furries)

I got paid once for showing some "18 year old guy from the UK" pictures of poop. (I got them from ratemypoo)

I'm a virtual hooker. xD

I know i sound fat, and i am. There are plenty of normal/average looking guys that are into big chicks. It's amazing. SL paid for my Xmas presents for my family.
 
2013-01-05 03:02:06 AM  

cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.


Really? I wasn't aware I was impersonating anyone. I thought I was just having fun controlling a Norn ranger, wandering around frozen wastelands and shooting things (to put it in terms of my current favourite).

So I guess I must also be impersonating a member of a non-existent race, impersonating someone who can survive in the tundra and impersonating someone who can actually use a long bow. Or maybe it's just a game, it's all meant to be fun and you are taking my technique for boosting that fun by a couple of % waaaay too seriously?

Yeah, I think the latter is probably the correct interpretation here.
 
2013-01-05 08:20:00 AM  
I don't really know what to say about people's choices for how, given the chance, they represent themselves in a virtual world. Both men and women alike chase idealized bodies, but in SL it's just ... ugh. Honestly, the non-human avatars look far more appealing than balloon-tits fashion dolls that flirt just as much with uncanny valleys as they do with each other.

It really is Linden Labs' fault for the way Second Life has ended up. They basically gave a big fark-you to creative builders and handed the world on a plate to virtual fashion designers. Now it's mostly an endless wasteland of empty sims, brothels, and night clubs where you can watch people /dance all day and all night.

Not that you can't still do creative things. A good friend of mine loves throwing together crazy stuff in SL, like a fully functioning raytracer, or a script that extracts information from a Doom .wad file and reconstructs a miniature representation of a level from the game. If you know how to code/script well, SL can be one hell of a fun sandbox to play in.
 
2013-01-05 01:06:08 PM  

VonEvilstein: buttery_shame_cave: VonEvilstein:
For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

which is really effing sad.

/yes, i have a couple female characters in games. usually because i think the male model for whatever race in question is fecking fugly, or it just doesn't fit the idea of the character.
//unlike most male players with female characters, mine are, universally, nearly 100% covered if i can get away with it. some of them in the digital equivalent of bhurkas, if possible.

The fact that I prefer looking at a posterior I find attractive is sad? I'd better not mention that I like looking at boobies, too, then.

Er, ooops.


if you're finding a digital posterior attractive, and one that is notionally YOURS?

yeah, that's kinda sad bro.
 
2013-01-05 02:52:44 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: VonEvilstein: buttery_shame_cave: VonEvilstein:
For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

which is really effing sad.

/yes, i have a couple female characters in games. usually because i think the male model for whatever race in question is fecking fugly, or it just doesn't fit the idea of the character.
//unlike most male players with female characters, mine are, universally, nearly 100% covered if i can get away with it. some of them in the digital equivalent of bhurkas, if possible.

The fact that I prefer looking at a posterior I find attractive is sad? I'd better not mention that I like looking at boobies, too, then.

Er, ooops.

if you're finding a digital posterior attractive, and one that is notionally YOURS?

yeah, that's kinda sad bro.


Oh for crying out loud! Pictures of things never evoked any kind of even mildly positive appreciation in anyone ever, except for sickos like me?

Given a choice between looking at a man's ass and a woman's ass, in whatever medium you care to mention, I will choose the woman's ass.

And it is not "mine". I am sitting behind the keyboard, yapping away on Skype with guildmates, while the character I play, who is in no way at all like me, leaps up mountainsides, defies death on a regular basis and takes down giant worms with a rain of arrows.

But obviously, I am sad for preferring the appearance of a female character? Pull the other one, for verily it hath bells on it.
 
2013-01-05 03:40:41 PM  

Mekoryuk: I don't really know what to say about people's choices for how, given the chance, they represent themselves in a virtual world. Both men and women alike chase idealized bodies, but in SL it's just ... ugh. Honestly, the non-human avatars look far more appealing than balloon-tits fashion dolls that flirt just as much with uncanny valleys as they do with each other.

It really is Linden Labs' fault for the way Second Life has ended up. They basically gave a big fark-you to creative builders and handed the world on a plate to virtual fashion designers. Now it's mostly an endless wasteland of empty sims, brothels, and night clubs where you can watch people /dance all day and all night.

Not that you can't still do creative things. A good friend of mine loves throwing together crazy stuff in SL, like a fully functioning raytracer, or a script that extracts information from a Doom .wad file and reconstructs a miniature representation of a level from the game. If you know how to code/script well, SL can be one hell of a fun sandbox to play in.


Heterocera Atoll is something of a roadgeek and railgeek's fantasy, too, if you discount all the automated vehicles roaming around, never occupied...
 
2013-01-05 09:53:05 PM  
LincolnLogolas: This isn't news. What IS news, at least to me, is that people still play Second Life.

It was on an episode of CSI, it's like, old and not even worthy of discussion anymore.
 
2013-01-05 10:48:27 PM  
Did anyone read the link to the actual study? They based their findings on Star Wars role play vs. the movies? That sounds like a good basis to start with.

Contribution of Explicit Cultural Norms

When skin disclosure was compared across four groups, male and female avatars belonging to the Second Life Star Wars Role-Play community and male and female characters in the Star Wars movies (Figure 5A), there was a significant difference between the groups in the degree of naked skin disclosed (H(3) = 83.12, p
 
2013-01-05 11:04:48 PM  

lordargent: LincolnLogolas: This isn't news. What IS news, at least to me, is that people still play Second Life.

It was on an episode of CSI, it's like, old and not even worthy of discussion anymore.


So's that show. Though to be fair, that show wasn't worthy of discussion when it was still relevant.
 
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