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(The Atlantic)   Female Second Life avatars show twice as much skin as male avatars. It's almost as if they were controlled by men pretending to be women   (theatlantic.com) divider line 124
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2013-01-04 12:09:17 PM
www.straitpinkie.com

a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-01-04 12:09:48 PM

VonEvilstein:
For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".


which is really effing sad.

/yes, i have a couple female characters in games. usually because i think the male model for whatever race in question is fecking fugly, or it just doesn't fit the idea of the character.
//unlike most male players with female characters, mine are, universally, nearly 100% covered if i can get away with it. some of them in the digital equivalent of bhurkas, if possible.
 
2013-01-04 12:14:05 PM

Raptop: typical second lifer?

[www.davidandrewgrant.com image 355x359]


I use that pic as my SL profile pic.
 
2013-01-04 12:14:20 PM
A friend of mine is an avid Second Life player, to the point where she's a contact for newer players to show
them the ropes.

She gets an email from one of her new players that had somehow wandered into an area of the game
that was a combat simulation, and where the designers had allowed characters to be 'killed' (though they
would respawn a few seconds later), and that the newbie had spent hours being shot, respawning and
standing up only to be killed again by people who apparently spend an inordinate amount of time in that
area looking for unsuspecting newbies.

It took my friend a while to figure out how to get the newbie out of it (something about teleporting, but I'm
not a Second Life player so I don't know), but it was one of the sickest things I've ever heard.  Even
worse than the flying penii.
 
2013-01-04 12:17:34 PM

VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".


If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.
 
2013-01-04 12:18:54 PM

Andulamb: Wouldn't it be a lot more worthwhile to study the skin-coverage of actual people? Then you could analyze how skin coverage relates to age, weight, attractiveness, culture, race, etc. I really don't see the point of studying avatars, especially when you don't know anything about the real people behind them.


When people are free to do whatever they want without cultural or social restrictions/rules, then you get more of an idea how they want to behave.
 
2013-01-04 12:19:17 PM
They also have a higher incidence of: Making and buying toys solely for rubbing in their character's crotch, including live animals.
 
2013-01-04 12:20:37 PM
And real life is the opposite?

I'm always baffled by these faux "social justice" types trying to outline what's wrong with the sexist digital world, but it's just reflecting attitudes already existing in real life...

Look at any red carpet: All men go in suits. All women go in skimpy dresses, some showing more than what you can imagine.
 
2013-01-04 12:21:28 PM

VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".


That's my case for always choosing a woman. My case against choosing a male character is I don't want to hit a place in video games where I'm living vicariously through my character and in some games it's kinda gay (in other games it gets really gay IM LOOKIN AT YOU DRAGON AGE).
 
2013-01-04 12:24:07 PM
Anyone that goes out to any kind of dance hall, from hip hop to honkey-tonk, knows that this isn't limited to online games.
 
2013-01-04 12:27:29 PM

Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."


... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).
 
2013-01-04 12:31:00 PM

cards fan by association: If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.


that makes as much sense as saying your mental species is in question if you play horde in WoW and thus aren't playing a human or, worse, your mental living status is in question if you play an undead. You're also assuming someone is actually full-on RPing, versus just running around playing a game.
 
2013-01-04 12:36:57 PM
i0.wp.com
 
2013-01-04 12:40:09 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."

... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).


Why is the presence of non-human, fur covered avatars a problem? In my experience, if you are interested in kinky furry shenanigans you have to seek out areas that are dedicated to that.
 
2013-01-04 12:42:50 PM

cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.


I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.
 
2013-01-04 12:47:12 PM

stevetherobot: Crotchrocket Slim: Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."

... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).

Why is the presence of non-human, fur covered avatars a problem? In my experience, if you are interested in kinky furry shenanigans you have to seek out areas that are dedicated to that.


I'd say it's offputting to a lot of people who aren't into that sort of thing, even if the only yiffing going on was in designated zones.

I guess my issue with SL is how prevalent furries and Gorians were that it seemed like if you were a relatively "vanilla" person you had no place there.
 
2013-01-04 12:47:29 PM

grinding_journalist: meanmutton: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

Yeppers

I did that once in an MMO and got tired of all the "guy crap" that guys do to/around/say to female chars in those games. Afterwards, the only fem toons I played were intentionally designed to be as ugly as the creator allowed for, and gave them unashamedly "guy-ish" names


I play female characters in some MMOs for the viewing pleasure (as per VonEvilstein). I even give them girl names -- and yet, I have never had any of the trouble women seem to have.

Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.
 
2013-01-04 12:53:35 PM
Most of the online identities I have are female, as well.

It's actually kind of weird for me that I'm a guy here on Fark.
 
2013-01-04 12:54:04 PM

gerrymander: grinding_journalist: meanmutton: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

Yeppers

I did that once in an MMO and got tired of all the "guy crap" that guys do to/around/say to female chars in those games. Afterwards, the only fem toons I played were intentionally designed to be as ugly as the creator allowed for, and gave them unashamedly "guy-ish" names

I play female characters in some MMOs for the viewing pleasure (as per VonEvilstein). I even give them girl names -- and yet, I have never had any of the trouble women seem to have.

Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.


Exactly. I usually play manginas (the correct term for men playing female avatars) and never get harrassed. But that's probably because I openly admit to being a guy and don't try to flirt/play along/sucker people into giving me stuff. Plus people usually just assume I'm a guy because I'm usually topping DPS charts and have extensive in-game knowledge of whatever game I'm playing.
 
2013-01-04 12:56:43 PM
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2013-01-04 12:58:32 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: stevetherobot: Crotchrocket Slim: Pocket Ninja: Also, this is the best line in TFA:    Naturally, "only humanoid avatars that were not covered by fur were included in the analysis."

... and indicative of a huge part of why SL totally squandered what could have been a cool idea (though I'm at a loss at how to keep another sandboxy game like that from being overrun by the pathetically kinky).

Why is the presence of non-human, fur covered avatars a problem? In my experience, if you are interested in kinky furry shenanigans you have to seek out areas that are dedicated to that.

I'd say it's offputting to a lot of people who aren't into that sort of thing, even if the only yiffing going on was in designated zones.

I guess my issue with SL is how prevalent furries and Gorians were that it seemed like if you were a relatively "vanilla" person you had no place there.


Maybe it's changed since you tried it. I've seen plenty of relatively vanilla avatars there.
 
2013-01-04 01:00:19 PM

rocky_howard: And real life is the opposite?

I'm always baffled by these faux "social justice" types trying to outline what's wrong with the sexist digital world, but it's just reflecting attitudes already existing in real life...

Look at any red carpet: All men go in suits. All women go in skimpy dresses, some showing more than what you can imagine.


I don't know, I can imagine quite a lot.
 
2013-01-04 01:04:16 PM

meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.


Came essentially for this.

In real life women show about twice as much skin as men.

Let's make male cleavage shirts a thing. Someone start selling them.
 
2013-01-04 01:19:56 PM

Bullseyed: meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.

Came essentially for this.

In real life women show about twice as much skin as men.

Let's make male cleavage shirts a thing. Someone start selling them.


Forget that. Men can just wear tights. Or pantyhose. We can call them mantyhose.
 
2013-01-04 01:25:16 PM

Bullseyed: meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.

Came essentially for this.

In real life women show about twice as much skin as men.

Let's make male cleavage shirts a thing. Someone start selling them.


weknowmemes.com
 
2013-01-04 01:25:20 PM

miss diminutive: Bullseyed: meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.

Came essentially for this.

In real life women show about twice as much skin as men.

Let's make male cleavage shirts a thing. Someone start selling them.

Forget that. Men can just wear tights. Or pantyhose. We can call them mantyhose.


God damnit, no! The only man/woman crossover clothing counterpart that we'll allow is the manzier and that's final!
 
2013-01-04 01:25:57 PM
real girls + twitch tv attention whoring + MMOs = how about no.

i play girl chars in MMOs sometimes. theyre usually cooler looking and nicely animated. but heck no i am not ginviting any real ones. real girls will take apart your group very quickly. married, single, fat, thin, it does not matter. and two of em on one raid team? forget it, drama llama. i've seen it too many times.

nobody throws a tantrum like a gamer girl (sorry ladies but its true). i have good real life female friends that MMO and they'll be the first to admit it. it usually just does not work out. girls have enough trouble getting along with each other face to face.

ironically, it does pay to keep the coos coos out of your games and limited to your real life. but i guess if you HAVE to get married to somebody, do that part in-game =P

....wait.... what was this thread about again?

/no-lifing MMOs off and on since ActiveWorlds, 1996. some day we'll get a UO2!
//heeeeee maaaaannn woman haterrrr
///sexist slashies!!!1
 
2013-01-04 01:45:04 PM

gerrymander:

Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.


Pretty much this.

I am a female gamer who usually plays male toons, but most of my online friends know by this point. But even if I go among strangers and I happen to throw out my gender, I've been gaming for years now and I've never run into any problems.

I guess it's a different mindset among certain women. My gaming group has a fair number of women but we're not the type to be sisterly or talk girl things or flirt. We're -gamers-. We talk shop, we crunch numbers, and hell, my group even roleplays. And nobody thinks anything of it.

You reap what you sow. Plain and simple.
 
2013-01-04 01:46:15 PM
Never mind scientific professionals and academics, your typical Mythbusters fan can tell that this "study" is completely useless.

CONCLUSION: [...] there is an intrinsic sex difference in human skin disclosure [...]

...among the Second Life user base. A self-selecting group about whom you know nothing. You don't even control for people who like to see skin vs. show skin. About all you can say about them is that they have an Internet connection and have chosen to play a MMORPG far, far from mainstream in terms of market share.
 
2013-01-04 01:57:52 PM

stevetherobot: cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.

I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.


That is my theory for almost all men who feel the need to spend a bunch of time in the image of a female character. All under the somewhat weak excuse of saying they don't want to look at a male ass for hours. It's a RPG. You usually make a character with whom you identify unless it is an alt.
 
2013-01-04 02:04:59 PM

Andulamb: Wouldn't it be a lot more worthwhile to study the skin-coverage of actual people? Then you could analyze how skin coverage relates to age, weight, attractiveness, culture, race, etc. I really don't see the point of studying avatars, especially when you don't know anything about the real people behind them.


Because it still says a lot about how we perceive women (and men, and the difference between the two).  In fact, in some way it says MORE because it factors out all those things such as age and weight.

Another interesting thing about choosing Second Life over a more "structured" MMO such as World of Warcraft is that in games like World of Warcraft the player may not have as much choice over how their avatar dresses.  I know that I occasionally was "forced" to dress my character sluttily because the gear that had the best starts was the gear that showed off a lot of skin.
 
2013-01-04 02:08:58 PM
media-1.web.britannica.com

/has cleavage where most men don't
 
2013-01-04 02:13:59 PM

ciberido: Another interesting thing about choosing Second Life over a more "structured" MMO such as World of Warcraft is that in games like World of Warcraft the player may not have as much choice over how their avatar dresses.  I know that I occasionally was "forced" to dress my character sluttily because the gear that had the best starts was the gear that showed off a lot of skin.


WoW has changed that, midway through last expansion they introduced a new feature called transmogrification (boink) that lets you make any piece of gear look like any other piece of gear of the same type. Since then ive noticed a lot MORE slutty looking characters running around.

More often than not for clothies at least, its the Black Mageweave set, infamous for its sexual dimorphism.
worldofwardrobecraft.files.wordpress.com wowroleplaygear.com
images3.wikia.nocookie.net img.photobucket.com

Oh, hey look, cosplay...

th08.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-04 02:18:21 PM

stevetherobot: cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.

I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.


OMG

I always play a male character because, I'm MALE!! My on-line characters are always burly hairy men. The only option I insist on is that each is equipped with a vagina. I'm not sure why...I like the fronts to be smooth and all, so as not to take away from the armor. The only problem I'm having is that 3 days out of the month, my characters bloat and I get real biatchy...they always ban me from the raids around then for some reason.
 
2013-01-04 02:27:17 PM

codenamewizard: stevetherobot: cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.

I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.

OMG

I always play a male character because, I'm MALE!! My on-line characters are always burly hairy men. The only option I insist on is that each is equipped with a vagina. I'm not sure why...I like the fronts to be smooth and all, so as not to take away from the armor. The only problem I'm having is that 3 days out of the month, my characters bloat and I get real biatchy...they always ban me from the raids around then for some reason.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-04 02:28:37 PM
Second Life is still here? I played that for a while years ago, before I found out that it is basically a furry playground.
 
2013-01-04 02:37:28 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

Go ahead, take the body covering costume. It's yours!
 
2013-01-04 02:48:48 PM
Was any consideration given to the idea that virtual women show more skin because in real life we let women show more? A knee length skirt is business appropriate for most women in most jobs... knee length shorts are only appropriate for men in very limited circumstances. Same with sleeve length.
 
2013-01-04 02:51:18 PM

serial arseonist: codenamewizard: stevetherobot: cards fan by association: VonEvilstein: doczoidberg: I always play as a female in any game that gives me the choice.

What can I say? I wish I was a woman.

For me, its more a case of "If I am going to spend hours staring at a computer generated ass running around, I will make damn sure it's a cute ass!".

If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.

I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.

OMG

I always play a male character because, I'm MALE!! My on-line characters are always burly hairy men. The only option I insist on is that each is equipped with a vagina. I'm not sure why...I like the fronts to be smooth and all, so as not to take away from the armor. The only problem I'm having is that 3 days out of the month, my characters bloat and I get real biatchy...they always ban me from the raids around then for some reason.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 400x400]


That is insulting, here is a pic of me at a convention, as you can see I am way better looking than you imply:

ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-01-04 02:54:39 PM

gerrymander: Oh, sure, some guys will make comments. But here's the thing: I never engage flirty banter. As far as I"m concerned, it doesn't exist. I'll talk DPS, or crafting, or any other damn game-related thing -- even with the same guys who made the comments, and seconds after they did -- but do not acknowledge that the sexy talk is even there.

And you know what? It stops. The flirty talk stops. No pleading. No name calling. None of the shiatstorm women gamer/bloggers are constantly complaining about. Talk to men like a gamer, and you get treated like a gamer. I guess the lesson is, 'stop playing like a girl'.


Or maybe the lesson is "dumb guys with an ax to grind overgeneralize" because I've had very different experiences, as have many, many women playing these games.

If everything happened just as you say, then I congratulate you on your good luck.  Because it was good luck that you've had such atypical experiences.
 
2013-01-04 02:55:58 PM
Personally most of my MMO toons are female mostly because female avatars are more interesting to look at - male Draenei versus female - no contest. Pandaren likewise. Trolls too. Likewise the Caitians in STO.

At this point, most MMO gamers - real gamers not butterflies looking to hide themselves - don't care. Most MMOs have no difference between genders, its simply asctetic.
 
2013-01-04 03:07:11 PM
and just for the record, my WoW main, very little skin at all. Slice ya in half, though.

i.imgur.com
/link to armory in profile
 
2013-01-04 03:09:24 PM

saintstryfe: and just for the record, my WoW main, very little skin at all. Slice ya in half, though.


That's a dude.
 
2013-01-04 03:41:49 PM
Ralph PLS go.
 
2013-01-04 04:20:52 PM
I play a little furry critter on Second Life, so I'm getting a real kick out of these replies...

Actually, playing a "tiny", as the little critter avatars on SL are called, is very interesting from the gender dynamics perspective. Most tiny avatars are unisex, so from looks alone, you can't tell a boy tiny from a girl tiny except by what clothes and accessories they've added to the base critter model. You wouldn't believe the number of times in SL that folks have started conversations with me by asking, "are you a boy or a girl?"

Interestingly, I get that question much more often from male characters than from female ones. I have a theory that women are much more adept at figuring out whether someone is "gender-bending" than men are.
 
2013-01-04 04:43:36 PM
I'm a married lady who plays almost entirely male toons in WoW (the exceptions are my female Night Elf priest, female Pandaren shaman and female Human hunter).

I have been playing since 2006 (anything from tanking 25 man BC raids to melee DPSing Wrath raids to healing Cata raids), and I usually do not get crap from anyone for my gender, unless its some clearly very socially stunted guy (or creepy young teenage boy practicing his 'moves') who wanders up on some half-leveled toon and tries asking one of my female toons out on a 'date' while I am busy milling herbs or disenchanting things in town. I talk in Ventrilo/Mumble amongst my own guild mates and to different guilds - some of which are all males - and I do not get harrassed/hit on/weird-vibed. We joke, we make crude comments, we get mad, and we cheer our victories with happy curses. We have fun!

Anyways, the secret I've found to enjoying MMO-life and being female is to learn to play your damned class, role and spec. Bring your food and flasks, and then shut up and get to work. I wouldn't want to carry a poor performing guy, why the hell should I ask guys to carry my underperforming butt? :D
 
2013-01-04 04:48:25 PM

cards fan by association: stevetherobot: cards fan by association:
If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.

I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.

That is my theory for almost all men who feel the need to spend a bunch of time in the image of a female character. All under the somewhat weak excuse of saying they don't want to look at a male ass for hours. It's a RPG. You usually make a character with whom you identify unless it is an alt.


The emboldened part is where you went off the rails. There's a difference between 'identify as' and 'identify with'. Game avatars are puppets. Calling my character by name in a chat channel is no different than calling me 'Kermit' when my hand is inside a styled lump of green felt. The fact that I answer to the avatar name does not make me identify as female any more than responding to a kid in a goofy voice makes be identify as a frog.

Doubtless there are people who can't, don't, or won't make the distinction between real life and game avatar image. But there are those of us who will, can, and do.
 
2013-01-04 05:22:00 PM

KrispyKritter: meanmutton: Didn't anyone go out on New Year's Eve? Same thing applies IRL -- the women wear the tiniest thing they can get away with while the men cover damn near every inch of skin with multiple layers.

New Year's Eve & St.Patricks's Day are for amateurs & frat boys that puke on their girlfriends shoes then wreck daddy's car.


Us professionals puke on our wive's shoes, wreck our OWN cars, and still get to work on time the next morning, by god.
 
2013-01-04 05:31:02 PM

gerrymander: cards fan by association: stevetherobot: cards fan by association:
If you make a character on game that requires literally weeks of your life, your mental gender is in question if you choose to impersonate a female character albeit animated. It is a personal opinion of mine that is interesting to discuss with folks such as yourself whenever this topic comes up.

I've done the whole female SL avatar and even my male avatar is feminine looking. I figure that I just have a strong feminine side to my personality that I like being able to express.

That is my theory for almost all men who feel the need to spend a bunch of time in the image of a female character. All under the somewhat weak excuse of saying they don't want to look at a male ass for hours. It's a RPG. You usually make a character with whom you identify unless it is an alt.

The emboldened part is where you went off the rails. There's a difference between 'identify as' and 'identify with'. Game avatars are puppets. Calling my character by name in a chat channel is no different than calling me 'Kermit' when my hand is inside a styled lump of green felt. The fact that I answer to the avatar name does not make me identify as female any more than responding to a kid in a goofy voice makes be identify as a frog.

Doubtless there are people who can't, don't, or won't make the distinction between real life and game avatar image. But there are those of us who will, can, and do.


You really create a puppet to spend all that time on?
 
2013-01-04 05:32:05 PM

gerrymander: cards fan by association: stevetherobot: cards fan by association:

The emboldened part is where you went off the rails. There's a difference between 'identify as' and 'identify with'. Game avatars are puppets. Calling my character by name in a chat channel is no different than calling me 'Kermit' when my hand is inside a styled lump of green felt. The fact that I answer to the avatar name does not make me identify as female any more than responding to a kid in a goofy voice makes be identify as a frog.

Doubtless there are people who can't, don't, or won't make the distinction between real life and game avatar image. But there are those of us who will, can, and do.

I think I understand where you are going with this and see it the same way. I've played RPG all my life. I've played cyborgs, elves, dwarfs, all kinds of things. Children and adults, male and female of both. All of these characters where personifications that I created for the character.

My second life characters are the same. I have female and male characters and I view them exactly the same way I would any other character I created for anything else. They are characters in a game world. Extensions of my self but not myself.

I rank SL on the same level as I would any other distraction too. If I wasn't in SL then I would be doing something else, like watching TV or maybe Eve online. That is pretty much what I've done anyway. I replaced time that I would be spending watching tv with doing things in SL. Never did the virtual sex thing though. Never seen the point in it.

But I will admit to falling victim to the shaping my female avatars ass to be as pretty to look at as possible. I didn't think of it when I was doing the way it was put, since I'm going to be spending time watching this ass on screen might as well make it attractive. But that is just what I did, and for that reason. I just didn't think about it till it was pointed out to me just now.
 
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