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(Apple Insider)   Apple is now innovating by patenting features they copied from Android   (appleinsider.com) divider line 57
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2013-01-04 12:10:56 AM
Um, hahaha, no.  Steve Jobs clearly invented the Notification CenterTM after a 16-hour meditation binge in 1972.  Google stole it straight from His Holiness's iBrainwavesTM  the following year, and then deviously implemented it in advance of Apple by using a time machine...ALSO STOLEN FROM APPLE.

/or something.
 
2013-01-04 12:43:03 AM
And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?
 
2013-01-04 01:41:45 AM
Google's Magical Time Machine? Dot JPG?
 
2013-01-04 02:59:27 AM

Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?


The difference is that goggle is a business

Apple just want's to make people happy

Im so sick of the apple haterds all they do is cry about everything

Build youre own phone if u hate apple so much u idiotds

Posted from my iPhone
 
2013-01-04 08:45:09 AM

Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?


Those are standards essential patents and subject to FRAND licensing terms (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms).
 
2013-01-04 08:47:21 AM
This just in: Apple is a piece of shiat but also widely popular and makes shiny things for the masses.
 
2013-01-04 08:50:08 AM
As a not proud owner of an iPhone, all I ask is a way to remove that damn stock ticker without having to go through the process of jailbreaking my phone. Why would this even be there by default? I am fairly certain that over 50% of iPhone owners have absolutely no stocks, and 95% don't even follow their investments that closely.
 
2013-01-04 09:04:28 AM
Mike_LowELL:

The difference is that goggle is a business

Apple just want's to make people happy

iPhone

0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-01-04 09:04:41 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Why would this even be there by default?


If you're not enough of a snob, apple will MAKE YOU enough of a snob.
 
2013-01-04 09:05:56 AM

Mike_LowELL: The difference is that goggle is a business
...
Posted from my iPhone


I see what you did there.
 
2013-01-04 09:12:02 AM
I see it's still 73 degrees and sunny in the patent application. As an iPhone user, I wish Apple would steal the ability for apps to actively change their icons or add widgets or something.

The Angry Hand of God, I use the stock ticker a bit. My annoyance is the newsstand. I can't even dump that in my junk folder of other Apple apps I never use. What's the deal with the compass? Stupid default app.

/73 and sunny
 
2013-01-04 09:16:55 AM

RexTalionis: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

Those are standards essential patents and subject to FRAND licensing terms (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms).


They're also holdovers from Motorola if I remember correctly. It's hard to hold that against Google. Now it is strange that not good that google held out on those patents for as long as they did, but at least that's dealt with.

What are those about anyway? Are they about video codecs?
 
2013-01-04 09:20:19 AM
tech patents like this are killing innovation. if the car were developed today it would be patented as a "device for moving people around" and prevent any improvements.
 
2013-01-04 09:21:07 AM

jonny_q: RexTalionis: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

Those are standards essential patents and subject to FRAND licensing terms (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms).

They're also holdovers from Motorola if I remember correctly. It's hard to hold that against Google. Now it is strange that not good that google held out on those patents for as long as they did, but at least that's dealt with.

What are those about anyway? Are they about video codecs?


No, mostly stuff related to 3G and LTE connectivity, wifi and H.264 encoding. Google held onto those patents because that's the only reason they bought Motorola - so they would have those patents. The rest of Motorola is not nearly as important to Google as Motorola's portfolio.
 
2013-01-04 09:49:29 AM
More importantly ... how is it possible that the incredibly popular iPhone did not have a feature like this until now?

This is what smartphones do: get information from many different sources. What use is it if you have to search different places to see what has arrived??
 
2013-01-04 10:03:20 AM

The Angry Hand of God: As a not proud owner of an iPhone, all I ask is a way to remove that damn stock ticker without having to go through the process of jailbreaking my phone. Why would this even be there by default? I am fairly certain that over 50% of iPhone owners have absolutely no stocks, and 95% don't even follow their investments that closely.


Um, Settings>Notifications>Stock Widget>Notification Center: Off
 
2013-01-04 10:05:35 AM

dwyw: The Angry Hand of God: As a not proud owner of an iPhone, all I ask is a way to remove that damn stock ticker without having to go through the process of jailbreaking my phone. Why would this even be there by default? I am fairly certain that over 50% of iPhone owners have absolutely no stocks, and 95% don't even follow their investments that closely.

Um, Settings>Notifications>Stock Widget>Notification Center: Off


Thanks. I had an Android forever, until my work gave me an iPhone. To be honest, I haven't even bothered to go through all the settings. All I want is my Android back...
 
2013-01-04 10:10:37 AM

The Angry Hand of God: dwyw: The Angry Hand of God: As a not proud owner of an iPhone, all I ask is a way to remove that damn stock ticker without having to go through the process of jailbreaking my phone. Why would this even be there by default? I am fairly certain that over 50% of iPhone owners have absolutely no stocks, and 95% don't even follow their investments that closely.

Um, Settings>Notifications>Stock Widget>Notification Center: Off

Thanks. I had an Android forever, until my work gave me an iPhone. To be honest, I haven't even bothered to go through all the settings. All I want is my Android back...


I hear ya. I have an Android, but occasionally have to do iOS development for work and it's like being beaten by a sock full of quarters.
 
2013-01-04 10:11:48 AM

RexTalionis: jonny_q: RexTalionis: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

Those are standards essential patents and subject to FRAND licensing terms (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms).

They're also holdovers from Motorola if I remember correctly. It's hard to hold that against Google. Now it is strange that not good that google held out on those patents for as long as they did, but at least that's dealt with.

What are those about anyway? Are they about video codecs?

No, mostly stuff related to 3G and LTE connectivity, wifi and H.264 encoding. Google held onto those patents because that's the only reason they bought Motorola - so they would have those patents. The rest of Motorola is not nearly as important to Google as Motorola's portfolio.


And Motorola still has huge beef with then when the first Itunes phone came out, the ROKR. a joint venture that Apple decided to cripple the phone, and then make one on their own after they learned what they could from Moto.
 
2013-01-04 10:14:34 AM

theflatline: RexTalionis: jonny_q: RexTalionis: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

Those are standards essential patents and subject to FRAND licensing terms (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms).

They're also holdovers from Motorola if I remember correctly. It's hard to hold that against Google. Now it is strange that not good that google held out on those patents for as long as they did, but at least that's dealt with.

What are those about anyway? Are they about video codecs?

No, mostly stuff related to 3G and LTE connectivity, wifi and H.264 encoding. Google held onto those patents because that's the only reason they bought Motorola - so they would have those patents. The rest of Motorola is not nearly as important to Google as Motorola's portfolio.

And Motorola still has huge beef with then when the first Itunes phone came out, the ROKR. a joint venture that Apple decided to cripple the phone, and then make one on their own after they learned what they could from Moto.


I had the Moto ROKR. It was an amazingly sweet phone for its time. The audio quality of the built in speakers are amazingly good, and, better yet, they were in stereo (there were speakers on both sides of the phone). The vibration module was used on it to simulate "bass". I used to lay in bed and put the phone on my forehead. It was like listening about 4 foot away from a good pair of stereo speakers.
 
2013-01-04 10:22:13 AM

RexTalionis: theflatline: RexTalionis: jonny_q: RexTalionis: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

Those are standards essential patents and subject to FRAND licensing terms (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms).

They're also holdovers from Motorola if I remember correctly. It's hard to hold that against Google. Now it is strange that not good that google held out on those patents for as long as they did, but at least that's dealt with.

What are those about anyway? Are they about video codecs?

No, mostly stuff related to 3G and LTE connectivity, wifi and H.264 encoding. Google held onto those patents because that's the only reason they bought Motorola - so they would have those patents. The rest of Motorola is not nearly as important to Google as Motorola's portfolio.

And Motorola still has huge beef with then when the first Itunes phone came out, the ROKR. a joint venture that Apple decided to cripple the phone, and then make one on their own after they learned what they could from Moto.

I had the Moto ROKR. It was an amazingly sweet phone for its time. The audio quality of the built in speakers are amazingly good, and, better yet, they were in stereo (there were speakers on both sides of the phone). The vibration module was used on it to simulate "bass". I used to lay in bed and put the phone on my forehead. It was like listening about 4 foot away from a good pair of stereo speakers.


I had one of these as well. best speakerphone ever. also, the blinking lights on the sides were pretty cool
 
2013-01-04 10:25:47 AM

Mike_LowELL: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

The difference is that goggle is a business

Apple just want's to make people happy

Im so sick of the apple haterds all they do is cry about everything

Build youre own phone if u hate apple so much u idiotds

Posted from my iPhone


+1
 
db2
2013-01-04 10:27:15 AM
This may be the first time that a patent application diagram has included the phrase, "Resist the nakie machine!"
 
2013-01-04 10:34:06 AM

dwyw: Thanks. I had an Android forever, until my work gave me an iPhone. To be honest, I haven't even bothered to go through all the settings. All I want is my Android back...

I hear ya. I have an Android, but occasionally have to do iOS development for work and it's like being beaten by a sock full of quarters.


I've had the opposite experience. Our stuff is more stable and easier to build and troubleshoot on iOS. Android is like running naked through the jungle all the time.

I guess it's probably a matter of what you're trying to do in any particular case.
 
2013-01-04 10:34:40 AM

dwyw: The Angry Hand of God: dwyw: The Angry Hand of God: As a not proud owner of an iPhone, all I ask is a way to remove that damn stock ticker without having to go through the process of jailbreaking my phone. Why would this even be there by default? I am fairly certain that over 50% of iPhone owners have absolutely no stocks, and 95% don't even follow their investments that closely.

Um, Settings>Notifications>Stock Widget>Notification Center: Off

Thanks. I had an Android forever, until my work gave me an iPhone. To be honest, I haven't even bothered to go through all the settings. All I want is my Android back...

I hear ya. I have an Android, but occasionally have to do iOS development for work and it's like being beaten by a sock full of quarters.


I am a systems administrator, and quite frankly, I have grown pretty tired of messing with my phones. I have had 4 different Androids, all of which were rooted and running custom ROMs. After a while, it gets pretty irritating. When I was given this iPhone, I thought I would give it a shot. I find that there are actually a ton more issues with the iPhone (without jailbreak), then any of my Androids on custom or stock firmwares. Of course, this is just my experience with a single iPhone. Not trying to start a flamewar, but almost on a daily basis I want to throw this POS through a window.
 
2013-01-04 10:58:09 AM

LasersHurt: dwyw: Thanks. I had an Android forever, until my work gave me an iPhone. To be honest, I haven't even bothered to go through all the settings. All I want is my Android back...

I hear ya. I have an Android, but occasionally have to do iOS development for work and it's like being beaten by a sock full of quarters.

I've had the opposite experience. Our stuff is more stable and easier to build and troubleshoot on iOS. Android is like running naked through the jungle all the time.

I guess it's probably a matter of what you're trying to do in any particular case.


Until this week, we hadn't done anything with Android development so I can't really speak to that. But iOS uses Objective-C, which is the most bass ackwards object-oriented programming language that I've had the pleasure of being forced to use. Couple that with Apple's arbitrary (and often undocumented) rules on what you can and can't do, it becomes very frustrating.

CSB: we wanted to add a subscription service to one of our apps, so we spent a few months adding in all the functionality to support auto-renewable subscriptions in the app and on our server. Then we submit it to the App Store, and it's rejected because Apple has an unwritten rule that auto-renewable subscriptions are for periodical apps ONLY. Nowhere in the documentation is this mentioned, and the only way to find it out is to be rejected or accidentally come across one of the many blogs biatching about it. Then you have to go back and totally rework your app to use non-renewing subscriptions, which work in a totally different manner and practically require you to start over from scratch in both the app and on the server side.

/end thread-hijack
 
2013-01-04 11:05:09 AM

dwyw: CSB: we wanted to add a subscription service to one of our apps, so we spent a few months adding in all the functionality to support auto-renewable subscriptions in the app and on our server. Then we submit it to the App Store, and it's rejected because Apple has an unwritten rule that auto-renewable subscriptions are for periodical apps ONLY. Nowhere in the documentation is this mentioned, and the only way to find it out is to be rejected or accidentally come across one of the many blogs biatching about it. Then you have to go back and totally rework your app to use non-renewing subscriptions, which work in a totally different manner and practically require you to start over from scratch in both the app and on the server side.

/end thread-hijack


From our end, a lot of it is hardware related - iOS? One set of hardware and rules on each device. Easy. Android? NO RULES, BRUDDAH, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT MANUFACTURERS. Tight control is a PITA in some things, and a blessing in others.
 
2013-01-04 11:05:52 AM

The Angry Hand of God: find that there are actually a ton more issues with the iPhone (without jailbreak), then any of my Androids on custom or stock firmwares.


If you have to root your phone to make it useful - then you've already admitted your phone is complete shiat.
 
2013-01-04 11:06:12 AM
google didn't seek the patent, being all kind-hearted. apple did.

Apple gets patent, the IP is apple's.

GO APPLE! (I tend to favor those who protect their IP, or are smart enough to take other's IP and patent it before the inventor realizes it... moneymaking = survival)
 
Ant
2013-01-04 11:11:19 AM

ganzonomy: google didn't seek the patent, being all kind-hearted. apple did.

Apple gets patent, the IP is apple's.

GO APPLE! (I tend to favor those who protect their IP, or are smart enough to take other's IP and patent it before the inventor realizes it... moneymaking = survival)


Your worldview sucks.
 
2013-01-04 11:15:17 AM
Patenting ideas that have been around for years!

Think Different.
 
2013-01-04 11:15:42 AM

ganzonomy: google didn't seek the patent, being all kind-hearted. apple did.

Apple gets patent, the IP is apple's.

GO APPLE! (I tend to favor those who protect their IP, or are smart enough to take other's IP and patent it before the inventor realizes it... moneymaking = survival)


You aren't very good at RTFA, are you?

FTFA: The internet search giant actually filed its own patent application for what it calls "Notification Bar" in 2009, some two years prior to Apple's "Notification Center" filing.
 
2013-01-04 11:16:15 AM

ganzonomy: google didn't seek the patent, being all kind-hearted. apple did.

Apple gets patent, the IP is apple's.


FTA: As with many other operations level iOS features, Notification Center is the result of an ongoing effort to create a more inviting and intuitive experience for the end user. In this case, however, many believe that Apple cribbed the functionality from Google's Android OS which implemented a very similar notification system before Notification Center was introduced in iOS 5. The internet search giant actually filed its own patent application for what it calls "Notification Bar" in 2009, some two years prior to Apple's "Notification Center" filing.

Actually, if you want to be technical, Google filed its Notification Bar application as a provisional application on January 30, 2008, so technically, 3 years prior to Apple.
 
2013-01-04 11:16:31 AM

ganzonomy: google didn't seek the patent, being all kind-hearted. apple did.

Apple gets patent, the IP is apple's.

GO APPLE! (I tend to favor those who protect their IP, or are smart enough to take other's IP and patent it before the inventor realizes it... moneymaking = survival)


I guess you favor Google, then, since they did in fact apply for a patent on the IP in question.
 
2013-01-04 11:17:51 AM
Used to have an iPhone. Now I have a Samsung Galaxy S II, Android 4.0 (stock). I feel like I've been liberated from a POW camp.
 
2013-01-04 11:18:04 AM
Not that it really matters, truly. It really depends on what's in the claims themselves rather than the general subject matter.
 
2013-01-04 11:19:37 AM

dwyw: Settings>Notifications>Stock Widget>Notification Center: Off


It was already turned off in my Notifications center but still shows up as an app on one of my 'home' screens... I'd like it to not be visible AT ALL.

imageshack.us

But...

imageshack.us


/Newsstand won't even move into a folder
 
2013-01-04 11:20:19 AM
the_sidewinder

RexTalionis


(better, earlier answers)

Damn it, that's what I get for doubting myself and re-reading the article. *shakes tiny fist
 
2013-01-04 11:29:29 AM
my worldview: Ayn Rand
 
2013-01-04 11:30:50 AM

LasersHurt: dwyw: CSB: we wanted to add a subscription service to one of our apps, so we spent a few months adding in all the functionality to support auto-renewable subscriptions in the app and on our server. Then we submit it to the App Store, and it's rejected because Apple has an unwritten rule that auto-renewable subscriptions are for periodical apps ONLY. Nowhere in the documentation is this mentioned, and the only way to find it out is to be rejected or accidentally come across one of the many blogs biatching about it. Then you have to go back and totally rework your app to use non-renewing subscriptions, which work in a totally different manner and practically require you to start over from scratch in both the app and on the server side.

/end thread-hijack

From our end, a lot of it is hardware related - iOS? One set of hardware and rules on each device. Easy. Android? NO RULES, BRUDDAH, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT MANUFACTURERS. Tight control is a PITA in some things, and a blessing in others.


Yeah I can see how that could be a pain. For us, the iOS development was our half-assed attempt to come with an app for the general public. Our Android development will be a specific solution for a customer, running on a specific hardware platform, and I don't see us attempting to port our iOS app to Android, so hopefully we won't have to face the fragmentation issue.
 
2013-01-04 12:14:43 PM

gingerjet: The Angry Hand of God: find that there are actually a ton more issues with the iPhone (without jailbreak), then any of my Androids on custom or stock firmwares.

If you have to root your phone to make it useful - then you've already admitted your phone is complete shiat.


Did you miss the part where I said it was stock? Even without root, the Android is 10 times more flexible than the iPhone. I don't know what the hell you are arguing here.
 
2013-01-04 12:48:01 PM

gingerjet: The Angry Hand of God: find that there are actually a ton more issues with the iPhone (without jailbreak), then any of my Androids on custom or stock firmwares.

If you have to root your phone to make it useful - then you've already admitted your phone is complete shiat.


Playing with an iPhone 5 after using an S3 or S2 is like eating Spam after enjoying a filet mignon. I don't know how you people deal with iOS...it is so completely old and clunky.
 
2013-01-04 12:57:50 PM

The Angry Hand of God: As a not proud owner of an iPhone, all I ask is a way to remove that damn stock ticker without having to go through the process of jailbreaking my phone. Why would this even be there by default? I am fairly certain that over 50% of iPhone owners have absolutely no stocks, and 95% don't even follow their investments that closely.


I love my HTC one x but in the update to jelly bean it got a power saver notification in the notification bar that doesn't go away. It says on or off, but just stays there. Bloody annoying.
 
2013-01-04 01:13:33 PM

gingerjet: The Angry Hand of God: find that there are actually a ton more issues with the iPhone (without jailbreak), then any of my Androids on custom or stock firmwares.

If you have to root your phone to make it useful - then you've already admitted your phone is complete shiat.


At what point did he say his phone wasn't useful without being rooted?
 
2013-01-04 01:16:30 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: gingerjet: The Angry Hand of God: find that there are actually a ton more issues with the iPhone (without jailbreak), then any of my Androids on custom or stock firmwares.

If you have to root your phone to make it useful - then you've already admitted your phone is complete shiat.

Playing with an iPhone 5 after using an S3 or S2 is like eating Spam after enjoying a filet mignon. I don't know how you people deal with iOS...it is so completely old and clunky.


That's just a silly comparison, if you ask me. They both have strengths and weaknesses.
 
2013-01-04 01:25:34 PM

JoeyJoJo: dwyw: Settings>Notifications>Stock Widget>Notification Center: Off

It was already turned off in my Notifications center but still shows up as an app on one of my 'home' screens... I'd like it to not be visible AT ALL.

[imageshack.us image 320x480]

But...

[imageshack.us image 320x480]


/Newsstand won't even move into a folder


Oh that is easy. Hold finger on the app in question until they all start dancing. Then tap the X for all the apps you don't want.
 
2013-01-04 01:29:34 PM

Mike_LowELL: Irving Maimway: And Google got hit with the "You have to license your patents and not sue anyone" ruling today from the FTC. This hasn't been smacked on Apple because...?

The difference is that goggle is a business

Apple just want's to make people happy


Im so sick of the apple haterds all they do is cry about everything

Build youre own phone if u hate apple so much u idiotds

Posted from my iPhone


Not sure if serious?  Are you functionally retarded?

Well you do have an iPhone, so I suppose that clears up the second question.
 
2013-01-04 01:30:07 PM

mctwin2kman:

Oh that is easy. Hold finger on the app in question until they all start dancing. Then tap the X for all the apps you don't want.


That doesnt work for Newsstand.
 
2013-01-04 01:32:01 PM
FYI you cant delete or uninstall the stock apple apps. Which is total bullshiat. Next phone is going to be an android or windows one. ios is boring lame and old.
 
2013-01-04 01:34:48 PM

roflmaonow: FYI you cant delete or uninstall the stock apple apps. Which is total bullshiat. Next phone is going to be an android or windows one. ios is boring lame and old.


I found I preferred Android to Windows because of the opportunity to install apps from my computer (which sounds completely stupid, but I have found useful), and the portability that comes with having a tablet with the same or similar OS (before the Surface came out).  Android still has a much larger market share than the Windows phone, and IMO a much better range of options, but they are both solids OSes.
 
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